Nova jornada d’adopció de gossos amb assessorament inclòs

A Ràdio Maricel, cada dia, al matí, amb nosaltres.

At Ràdio Maricel, every day, in the morning, with us.

Quina il·lusió recuperar la sintonia del peluig.

What a thrill to regain the harmony of the peluig.

És que ara parlarem amb qui va ser col·laboradora

Now we will speak with the person who was a collaborator.

d'una manera continuada durant un temps.

continuously for a period of time.

Ara sentim que ho és, també, encara de col·laboradora,

Now we feel that it is, also, still as a collaborator,

tot i que de manera esporàdica,

although sporadically,

perquè també té, òbviament, la seva feina i les seves responsabilitats.

because he also has, obviously, his job and his responsibilities.

I és que parlarem amb ella arran d'una jornada d'adopció de gossos

And we will talk to her following a dog adoption event.

que organitza el Centre d'Acollida d'Animals Domèstics, el CAT Penedès.

organized by the Centre d'Acollida d'Animals Domèstics, the CAT Penedès.

No l'organitza aquí, l'organitza a Santa Merida i als Monjos,

It is not organized here, it is organized in Santa Merida and in Monjos.

però ens ha semblat interessant perquè les dades del CAT dels darrers mesos

but it has seemed interesting to us because the CAT data from the last few months

és que ha augmentat considerablement la xifra d'animals abandonats.

It is that the number of abandoned animals has considerably increased.

El centre es troba amb uns nivells de saturació molt elevats

The center is experiencing very high levels of saturation.

que fan necessari, entre altres,

that make necessary, among others,

generar una gran quantitat de gossos.

generate a large number of dogs.

I aquesta jornada d'adopció, que serà, com dèiem, diumenge a Santa Merida i als Monjos,

And this adoption day, which will be, as we said, on Sunday at Santa Merida and at Monjos,

més enllà de poder anar allà a adoptar un gosset,

beyond being able to go there to adopt a puppy,

l'han preparat, també, amb xerrades, amb intervencions d'especialistes,

they have also prepared it with talks, with interventions from specialists,

com serà el cas de la Valentina Mariotti,

as will be the case of Valentina Mariotti,

que és amb qui aquí tenim l'altra banda del fil telefònic.

who is on the other end of the phone line here.

Valentina, molt bon dia. Buenos días.

Valentina, very good morning. Good morning.

Buenos días a todos. Muchas gracias por la introducción. Perfecta.

Good morning everyone. Thank you very much for the introduction. Perfect.

Feliç de retrobar-te, Valentina.

Happy to see you again, Valentina.

Seràs present en aquesta jornada,

You will be present at this event,

amb una xerrada a les 11.30, a dos quarts de dotze del matí,

with a talk at 11:30, at half-past eleven in the morning,

on et centraràs en la relació de gossos i infants.

you will focus on the relationship between dogs and children.

Sí, efectivament, estarem entre una passarel·la i una altra

Yes, indeed, we will be between one walkway and another.

de gossos que hem seleccionat i elegit com un exemple,

of dogs that we have selected and chosen as an example,

una mostra de gossos adoptables.

a sample of adoptable dogs.

I, llavors, entre una passarel·la i una altra,

I, then, between one walkway and another,

nosaltres impartirem, juntament amb el nostre educador caní,

we will teach, together with our dog educator,

el gossos del equip,

the team dogs,

l'Oscar Ibáñez,

Oscar Ibáñez,

una xerrada dedicada especialment a la relació entre gossos i infants,

a talk dedicated especially to the relationship between dogs and children,

que és una de les coses que sempre interessa comentar,

which is one of the things that is always interesting to discuss,

una bona manera d'aprofitar-se, d'interaccionar amb un gos, amb un animal,

a good way to take advantage of, to interact with a dog, with an animal,

perquè, evidentment, el perfil d'un nen és diferent del d'un adult

because, obviously, a child's profile is different from that of an adult

en el moment d'aprofitar-se, d'interaccionar amb un animal,

at the moment of taking advantage, of interacting with an animal,

i la intenció és que,

and the intention is that,

el propòsit d'aquesta xerrada és donar-li, evidentment,

The purpose of this talk is to give you, of course,

un enfocament especial, específic,

a special, specific approach

cap als nens i el maneig que tenen.

towards the children and their behavior.

Clar, i ens ha semblat interessant, justament,

Of course, and it has seemed interesting to us, precisely,

perquè moltes vegades el motiu de la decisió d'una família d'adoptar un gos

because many times the reason for a family's decision to adopt a dog

moltes vegades ve motivat perquè hi ha un infant a la família

many times it is motivated by the presence of a child in the family

que, d'una manera persistent i constant,

that, in a persistent and constant way,

de vegades durant anys ha estat demanant un gos a casa.

Sometimes for years he/she has been asking for a dog at home.

Sí.

Yes.

Entenc que això, moltes vegades, és el fet que,

I understand that this, many times, is the fact that,

és el fet motivador que la família decideixi adoptar un gos.

It is the motivating fact that the family decides to adopt a dog.

I entenc que aquesta xerrada, Valentina, s'ha d'explicar que,

I understand that this talk, Valentina, needs to be explained that,

més enllà de la voluntat, hi ha d'haver altres qüestions, no?

Beyond will, there must be other issues, right?

Sí. De hecho, una de las primeras cosas que comentamos

Yes. In fact, one of the first things we talked about.

cuando se acerca o viene una familia con menores en la casa

when a family with minors approaches or comes to the house

o cuando hay algún tipo de charla o de actividad que hacemos con los niños

or when there is some kind of talk or activity that we do with the children

es sensibilizarlos y explicarles que tener un perro conlleva una responsabilidad

It is to raise their awareness and explain to them that having a dog involves a responsibility.

que es la responsabilidad de los niños.

What is the responsibility of children?

Y que también el niño, en ciertas tareas que sí puede desarrollar,

And that also the child, in certain tasks that he can develop,

tiene que asumir y aceptar.

has to assume and accept.

Es decir, se trata, evidentemente, de introducirles al hecho de que el animal,

That is to say, it is clearly about introducing them to the fact that the animal,

como ya bien dice la nueva ley, no es un objeto,

as the new law clearly states, it is not an object,

sino es un ser vivo y sintiente,

but it is a living and sentient being,

con lo cual se ha de respetar su manera de ser,

so their way of being must be respected,

su forma de relacionarse,

her way of relating to others,

se ha de asumir unas responsabilidades,

one must assume certain responsibilities,

aparte, evidentemente, lo que conlleve económicamente

besides, obviously, what it entails financially

el poderle atender desde el punto de vista veterinario,

to be able to assist you from a veterinary perspective,

de la salud,

of health,

pues también se ha de cubrir sus necesidades emocionales y de bienestar

Well, their emotional and well-being needs also have to be met.

en cuanto al juego, el sacarle a pasear.

as for the game, taking him for a walk.

Claro, eso dependerá mucho también de la edad del niño.

Of course, that will also depend a lot on the child's age.

A un niño de 3-4 añitos no se le puede pedir, evidentemente, ninguna implicación,

You can't expect any involvement from a 3-4 year old child, obviously.

pero sí se le puede enseñar, por ejemplo,

but it can be taught, for example,

cuáles son las maneras que tiene de comunicarse un perro

What are the ways a dog has to communicate?

para, por ejemplo, prevenir accidentes que puedan producirse

to, for example, prevent accidents that may occur

por un acercamiento brusco.

due to a sudden approach.

Entonces,

So,

cuando realizamos esas charlas que están dirigidas a menores,

when we conduct those talks aimed at minors,

pues abarcamos desde que el niño es muy pequeño

Well, we cover from when the child is very small.

y no se da cuenta casi apenas

and he/she hardly even realizes it

de lo que el perro, evidentemente, puede hacer

of what the dog can obviously do

hacia niños que tienen ya una edad mayor

towards children who are already older

y entonces pueden ocuparse también de pequeñas tareas

and then they can also take care of small tasks

y responsabilizarse, por ejemplo, de alimentar al animal,

and take responsibility, for example, for feeding the animal,

de sacarle a pasear siempre bajo la supervisión

to take him out for a walk always under supervision

de un adulto y el control,

of an adult and the control,

de cepillarle, hacerle pequeñas...

to brush him, to make him small...

Manipulaciones que también es importante, digamos,

Manipulations that are also important, let's say,

de habituar al niño, que será luego un adulto,

to habituate the child, who will then be an adult,

a ser responsable y atento en ese sentido.

to be responsible and attentive in that sense.

Entonces...

So...

Clar, no sé si passa moltes vegades que d'entrada el nen veu el gos

Of course, I don't know if it happens many times that at first the child sees the dog.

moltes vegades gairebé com una joguina, no?

many times almost like a toy, right?

I que si cal com incidir en...

And if necessary, how to influence in...

Hem de recordar que no és una joguina, no?

We have to remember that it's not a toy, right?

Que és un ésser viu, no?

What is a living being, right?

Un ésser que sent, no?

A being that feels, right?

A més a més, així ara ho determina la llei, eh?

Furthermore, that's how the law determines it now, right?

Ser sintiente, ho diu així la llei, no?

Being sentient, that's what the law says, right?

I si cal com...

And if necessary, how...

Incidir en això, no?

To emphasize this, right?

En que, òbviament, podrà jugar amb el gos,

In which, obviously, he/she will be able to play with the dog.

però no és una joguina, no?

but it's not a toy, is it?

Sí, i necessita determinades coses,

Yes, and it needs certain things,

per exemple, un temps de descans,

for example, a rest period,

un espai, una dedicació en quant a joc,

a space, a dedication in terms of play,

uns passejos, és a dir,

some walks, that is to say,

el fet que això no és un joguí,

the fact that this is not a toy,

per tant, no el podem tampoc manipular

therefore, we cannot manipulate it either

com un peluix, o tocar-lo en qualsevol lloc.

like a stuffed animal, or touch it anywhere.

Aquí cal, com sempre, discriminar,

Here it is necessary, as always, to discriminate,

si adoptem un gos o un animal que necessita

if we adopt a dog or an animal that needs

un procés d'educació que pot estendre's des dels sis mesos

an educational process that can extend from six months

fins a l'any o any i mig,

until a year or a year and a half,

fins que l'animal sigui adult, estable, emocionalment equilibrat,

until the animal is an adult, stable, emotionally balanced,

i cal educar-lo, doncs, a fer les seves necessitats,

and it is necessary to educate him, therefore, to meet his needs,

doncs, a no mordiscar, a no saltar,

so, no biting, no jumping,

doncs cal educar-lo en molts aspectes,

so it is necessary to educate him in many aspects,

o quan s'adopta, en canvi, un animal adult

or when an adult animal is adopted instead

que pot haver tingut ja el seu histori, el seu passat,

that may already have its history, its past,

i algun aspecte de la cosa,

and some aspect of the matter,

la conducta que nosaltres desconeixem.

the behavior that we do not know.

De fet, en el centre d'acollida d'animals,

In fact, at the animal shelter,

com en aquest cas, com en altres,

as in this case, as in others,

evidentment es troben animals que han estat abandonats,

obviously there are animals that have been abandoned,

que no han tingut mai un dueix,

that they have never had a dream,

que han estat, a vegades, decomissats

that have sometimes been seized

per raons específiques, particulars,

for specific, particular reasons,

diferents en cada cas,

different in each case,

o, a vegades, són cedits perquè no es poden manipular

or, sometimes, they are given up because they cannot be manipulated

o no es poden mantenir

or cannot be maintained

en l'entorn on estan per altres qüestions

in the environment where they are for other matters

relacionades amb el comportament,

related to behavior,

que és precisament aquí on nosaltres ara,

that is precisely where we are now,

des de fa un temps, al revés d'un any llarg,

for some time now, unlike a long year,

doncs ajudem precisament els adoptants

so we help precisely the adopters

que deciden prendre la responsabilitat

that decide to take responsibility

de agafar un gos tant en acollida com en adopció,

to take a dog both in fostering and in adoption,

doncs d'ajudar a que es faci una bona introducció

so to help make a good introduction

i un bon seguiment després de l'adopció

and a good follow-up after the adoption

per facilitar, evidentment,

to facilitate, obviously,

la llegada d'aquest animal en un nou entorn

the arrival of this animal in a new environment

i per disminuir com a mínim el tas de devolució,

and to minimize the return rate at least,

que és una cosa que gairebé sempre es genera

What is something that is almost always generated?

per un problema de conducta.

for a behavioral issue.

És interessant això, que sàpiguen

It is interesting that they know.

que des del cas hi ha aquest acompanyament,

that since the case there has been this support,

és a dir, quan un va a adoptar un gos no et donen el gos

That is to say, when someone goes to adopt a dog, they do not just give you the dog.

i et diuen, au, adéu-siau, copeta l'esquena

and they say to you, hey, goodbye, a pat on the back

i ja t'espavilaràs, és a dir, t'acompanyen

And you'll manage, that is to say, they accompany you.

i et segueixen durant un temps inicial,

and they follow you for an initial time,

perquè per, d'alguna manera, garantir

because to, somehow, guarantee

que tot va bé.

that everything is fine.

I no només t'acompanyen, sinó que t'assessoreixen,

And not only do they accompany you, but they also advise you,

a l'hora de triar el gos.

when it comes to choosing the dog.

És a dir, que no sigui només una cosa visual.

That is to say, it should not be just a visual thing.

I no sé si en aquest cas,

I don't know if in this case,

i m'imagino que si diumenge feu aquesta xerrada per nens,

I imagine that if you hold this talk for kids on Sunday,

haureu fet en aquestes passarel·les

you will have done on these runways

que fareu de gossos,

what will you do with dogs,

haureu fet tria de gossos

you must have chosen dogs

pensats també en que puguin

thoughts also that they can

conviure bé amb canalla, no?

Living well with kids, right?

Sí.

Yes.

Habrá un poco de todo.

There will be a little bit of everything.

Nosotros, claro, la selección se hace

We, of course, make the selection.

en base a perros que tienen.

based on dogs they have.

Fácil, digamos.

Easy, let's say.

Quants gossos hi haurà? Ho saps això?

How many dogs will there be? Do you know that?

Bueno, habrá varios.

Well, there will be several.

El número puede ser variable,

The number may vary,

entre 10 y 15, pero

between 10 and 15, but

serán una muestra,

they will be a sample,

digamos, de perros,

let's say, of dogs,

que cuando se eligen para una pasarela,

that when they are chosen for a runway,

generalmente, digamos,

generally, let's say,

nos basamos en varios criterios.

we based on several criteria.

Uno de ellos es que nos estresen demasiado

One of them is that they stress us too much.

en un entorno con mucha gente.

in an environment with a lot of people.

Eso ya supone un cierto sesgo.

That already implies a certain bias.

Es decir, no podemos llevar animales

That is to say, we cannot take animals.

muy miedosos o en un estado de salud

very fearful or in a state of health

precario, que los hay,

precarious, there are some,

porque evidentemente no es el entorno.

because it is obviously not the environment.

Nosotros llevaremos una selección

We will carry a selection.

de perros que a lo mejor necesitan

of dogs that might need

una acogida o una adopción,

a reception or an adoption,

que son dos cosas distintas,

that are two different things,

pero que podrían salir,

but they could come out,

digamos, y que pueden ser aptos

let's say, and that they can be suitable

con niños. Evidentemente,

with children. Obviously,

cada perro tiene su perfil y una ficha

Every dog has its profile and a record.

técnica, igual que

technique, just like

una ficha de comportamiento,

a behavior sheet,

también, porque hay cosas que

also, because there are things that

nosotros, dentro del centro, podemos

we, inside the center, can

observar, diagnosticar,

observe, diagnose

ver, tratar y avisar,

see, deal, and notify

y hay otras cosas que eso es un

and there are other things that this is a

punto en el que siempre insisto

point that I always insist on

mucho, que nosotros en la

a lot, that we in the

protectora no vemos.

We don't see a protector.

Cosas como, por ejemplo, si un perro

Things like, for example, if a dog

es muy nervioso

he is very nervous

o destrozón

or wreckage

en casa, nosotros no podemos

At home, we cannot.

saberlo ni preverlo, porque

to know it or to foresee it, because

en las instalaciones

in the facilities

no se ponen objetos que

do not put objects that

ni hay objetos de mobiliario

there are no pieces of furniture

que el perro pueda destrozar. No tenen un sofá que

that the dog can tear apart. They don't have a sofa that

poder trencar, per tant, no saben si el gos

can break, therefore, they don't know if the dog

trencará el sofá o no trencará el sofá. Exactamente.

It will break the sofa or it will not break the sofa. Exactly.

Hay aspectos que no podemos prever,

There are aspects that we cannot foresee,

por mucho que intentemos valorar muchos

no matter how much we try to value many

aspectos, o por ejemplo, pues el

aspects, or for example, well the

comportamiento hacia

behavior towards

gatos o patinetes

cats or scooters

o cosas así. Nosotros sí que podemos

or things like that. We can indeed.

valorar una cierta tendencia a la depredación,

to assess a certain tendency towards predation,

podemos valorar el comportamiento

we can assess the behavior

social, la manipulación,

social, the manipulation,

podemos valorar el comportamiento

we can assess the behavior

con otros animales, con otros

with other animals, with others

perros, pero claro,

dogs, but of course,

la reactividad, por ejemplo, con gatos

reactivity, for example, with cats

es difícil, porque aunque nosotros tengamos

it's difficult, because even though we have

en las instalaciones sitios donde hay gateras,

in the facilities, places where there are cat flaps,

etcétera, esa prueba que

etcetera, that test that

hacemos simplemente paseando el perro delante

we simply take the dog for a walk in front

de un gato que está, pues claro,

about a cat that is, well of course,

tampoco podemos estresar al gato

we also can't stress the cat

por ello, pues no lo podemos

therefore, as we cannot do it

prever. Esos aspectos que a veces

to foresee. Those aspects that sometimes

dificultan la adopción

they hinder adoption

o fomentan el retorno

or promote the return

de ese animal, nosotros desgraciadamente

of that animal, we unfortunately

no lo podemos valorar del todo.

we can't fully assess it.

Siempre intentamos dar el

We always try to give the

mejor animal para la familia que viene

best animal for the incoming family

a buscarlo. Claro, es que al 100%

to look for it. Of course, it's 100%

no te pueden garantir que se irá todo

they can't guarantee that it will all go away

como tú quieres que vaya. Al final

how you want me to go. In the end

es un ésser viu, ¿no?

It's a living being, isn't it?

Que tindrà

What will it have?

el seu caràcter i haurà tingut la seva

his character and he will have had his

experiència, que entenc que l'haurà marcat

experience, which I understand must have marked you

d'una manera o una altra, de la mateixa

One way or another, the same.

manera que quan un té una criatura

so that when one has a child

no sap si actuarà d'una

doesn't know if he/she will act at once

manera o una altra, perquè

one way or another, because

malgrat que després l'educació té molt a veure,

although later education has a lot to do,

i entenc que aquesta és la teva feina, Valentina.

And I understand that this is your job, Valentina.

Sí, sí, de hecho, claro,

Yes, yes, in fact, of course,

el tema de que

the issue of that

tengan un tiempo, digamos,

let's say, have a time,

que son varias semanas después

that it's several weeks later

de la adopción, en donde puedan

of the adoption, where they can

llamarnos, incluso

call us, even

venir y realizar sesiones

come and hold sessions

con el perro dentro de las instalaciones

with the dog inside the facilities

del CAT de forma

from the CAT form

gratuita tras la adopción.

free after adoption.

Eso es una mejora importante que el CAT

That is an important improvement that the CAT.

ha implementado, porque

it has implemented, because

claro, esto al menos

of course, this at least

da una medida

give a measure

más y una herramienta para poder

more and a tool to be able to

tratar algunos aspectos

address some aspects

que pueden ser tratados, claro.

that can be treated, of course.

És molt interessant això, quedin-se

This is very interesting, stay.

amb això, que el CAT poden anar aquest diumenge

With this, the CAT can go this Sunday.

a Santa Margarida dels Monsols,

to Santa Margarida dels Monsols,

aquest diumenge 7 d'abril, hi ha una jornada

this Sunday, April 7, there is a day of activities

el que dèiem, eh?, de dos quarts d'onze a

What we were saying, right?, from half past ten to

dotze del migdia, una jornada d'adopció, hi haurà

twelve o'clock noon, there will be an adoption day

unes passarel·les amb gossos pendents a adoptar,

walkways with dogs waiting to be adopted,

i que el CAT, no només en aquesta jornada,

and that the CAT, not only on this day,

sinó sempre el CAT, ofereix aquest servei

but always the CAT, offers this service

d'acompanyament, amb professionals

support, with professionals

com la Valentina, que és veterinària

like Valentina, who is a veterinarian

i etòloga, per tant especialista en el

and ethnologist, therefore a specialist in the

comportament animal,

animal behavior,

en el que els acompanyaran, i per tant els

in which they will accompany them, and therefore them

podran assessorar

they will be able to advise

sobre si aquell gos

about that dog

és adient o no per la seva família,

Is it suitable or not for your family?

i després, en el primer temps

and then, in the first half

de l'adopció, doncs podran trucar,

of the adoption, so they will be able to call,

fer consultes, o fins i tot, com deia ara la Valentina,

make inquiries, or even, as Valentina just said,

apropar-se allà amb

get closer there with

l'animal i plantejar tots aquells dubtes.

the animal and raise all those doubts.

Valentina, moltíssimes gràcies, com sempre,

Valentina, thank you very much, as always,

per atendre'ns, tant de bo

to attend to us, hopefully

sigui un èxit diumenge i tots els gossos

May it be a success on Sunday and all the dogs.

marxin a casa amb alguna família.

They go home with some family.

Pues muchísimas gracias

Well, thank you very much.

a vosotros por darnos este espacio,

to you for giving us this space,

recuerdo que cualquiera puede hacerme

I remember that anyone can make me.

consulta si lo necesitas y

check if you need it and

consideras que se pueda dejar

do you think it can be left?

el recado, y os esperamos

the message, and we are waiting for you

pues este domingo

well this Sunday

para esta jornada.

for this day.

Nosotros nos quedaremos.

We will stay.

Gracias, Valentina, un placer.

Thank you, Valentina, a pleasure.

Adéu.

Goodbye.

Vinga, nosaltres ho deixem aquí.

Come on, we'll leave it here.

Tornem demà a les 9.

We'll return tomorrow at 9.

Adéu-siau.

Goodbye.