岩田聪和他的任天堂－stage25

作词曲 李宗盛

Lyrics and music by Li Zongsheng

词曲 李宗盛

Lyrics and music by Li Zongsheng

编曲 李宗盛

Arrangement by Li Zongsheng.

播客来说说这个

Let's talk about this on the podcast.

星之卡比

Kirby of the Stars

对

Correct.

他说第一上来的时候

He said that when he first came up.

因为这个是GB上的

Because this is on GB.

还是GBA上的

It's still on the GBA.

不是不是

No, no.

错错错

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

GB的第一座

The first seat of GB.

对因为刚才

Sorry for what just happened.

我这一直都是从GBA上

I've been using it on the GBA all along.

来接触星之卡比

Come and experience Kirby.

对大家可能都是那时候

It might be the same for everyone at that time.

接触比较多

More exposure/contact.

就是可恶的会计

It's the detestable accountant.

他比我更早了一步

He was one step ahead of me.

对这个我接触星之卡比

I am in contact with Kirby.

是在GB

It is in GB.

是一个当时

It was a time.

我并不知道这个游戏的名字

I don't know the name of this game.

一开始玩

Start playing.

就只看到一个

I only saw one.

当时也不知道

At that time, I didn't know either.

它是粉色的

It is pink.

因为GB那是黑白的

Because GB is black and white.

知道是一个球

Know it's a ball.

然后这个游戏方式

Then this way of playing the game.

就是张开嘴

Just open your mouth.

把敌人吸到嘴里

Suck the enemy into your mouth.

吃一切

Eat everything.

然后再吐出去

Then spit it out.

再攻击

Attack again.

当时还没有变身的能力

At that time, there was no ability to transform.

但是GBA开始变身

But the GBA starts to transform.

不是第一座没有

It's not the first one that doesn't exist.

FC开始有的

FC has begun to exist.

对

Correct.

反正他第一座GBA那一座

Anyway, that first GBA of his.

是没有变身能力的

It does not have transformation ability.

就是攻击方式

It's just the method of attack.

就是把敌人吸进去

It's just to suck the enemy in.

然后再吐出去

Then spit it out.

对其实我们为什么

In fact, why do we...

选这首曲子

Choose this piece of music.

也是因为在

Also because in

严谨彤去之后

After Yan Jintong leaves.

我们才

We just

我可能就是

I might just be.

第一时间才知道

I only found out at the first moment.

原来这款游戏

It turns out this game

是严谨彤主导开发

It was led by Yan Jintong.

对

Correct.

成为了一个系列的

became a series of

跟你说浩子

I'll tell you, Haozi.

这是不是也是一个

Isn't this also one?

因为咱们在之前

Because we were previously...

就是一旦批评一个游戏的话

Once a game is criticized,

首先就更要关心的是什么

First of all, what needs to be cared about is what.

说这是谁做的游戏

Who made this game?

为什么做的这么烂

Why is it done so poorly?

而你看咱们从

And look at us from...

就是说一个好游戏

That is to say, a good game.

就要做到这一点

Just need to achieve this.

大家广盛玩了

Everyone is having a great time.

就没时间去在乎

There's no time to care.

这是谁做的

Who did this?

没错

That's right.

对

Yes.

人堂游戏

Human Hall Game

一直给我们

Always give us.

大家印象就是

Everyone's impression is that

没有特别差的游戏出现

No particularly bad games have emerged.

就是它的水平

That is its level.

一直在保持在一定高度上

Always maintaining a certain height.

对

Yes.

拿到以后广盛玩了

After obtaining it, Guangsheng played with it.

没时间想别的

No time to think about anything else.

其实新之咖比

Actually, Xinzhika is better.

应该算是

Should be considered as

严谨彤

Yan Jintong

第一个比较出名的

The first relatively famous one.

游戏系列了吧

It's a game series, right?

然后他

Then he

然后他第一个游戏

Then his first game.

你们知道吗

Do you guys know?

他第一个就是

He is the first one.

就是已经在FC发售的游戏

It is a game that has already been released on the FC.

你们知道是啥吗

Do you know what it is?

气球大战

Balloon Battle

不是

No.

气球大战

Balloon War

也不是第一个了

Not the first one either.

是吗

Is that so?

我好像听过这个名字

I seem to have heard this name before.

但是

But

弹珠台

Pinball machine

对

Correct.

是那个没有

Is it that there isn't?

不用钢来打的

No need to use steel to strike.

那个球的那个游戏

That ball's game.

不是

No.

就那个小钢珠的那种感觉

It's just that feeling of that little steel ball.

弹珠台

Pinball machine

他俩美式那酒吧里

The two of them are at that American-style bar.

那弹珠台机

That pinball machine.

那个是他

That is him.

那个是他做的是吗

Is that what he did?

对

Correct.

那是他参与开发的

That is what he was involved in developing.

那是他做的

That was done by him.

还是他移植的

Or is it that he transplanted it?

他

He

那个应该是

That should be.

他当时在HAL的时候

He was at HAL at that time.

然后任天堂

Then Nintendo.

给他们

Give them.

这个公司分配的一个任务吧

This is a task assigned by the company.

那我挺生气的

Then I am quite angry.

因为我的

Because of my

我的第一台的

My first machine.

那个FC的那个B键

That B button on the FC.

就是因为这个

It's precisely because of this.

那你玩的也挺

Then you play quite a bit too.

他不是一个右吗

He is not a right one?

一个右键和一个B键

One right key and one B key.

这两个

These two.

两个挡板

Two baffles

是挡板吗

Is it a baffle?

就是狂按

Just keep pressing.

那看来您挺喜欢这游戏的

It seems that you really like this game.

那时候比较傻

I was pretty naive back then.

那个时候不知道

At that time, I didn't know.

就是说可以

That means it's possible.

球不下的时候可以不按

You don't have to press when the ball is not in play.

有没有球狂按都是

Is there a ball crazily pressing everything?

是

Yes.

那是他做的

That was done by him.

然后下一个就是这个

Then the next one is this.

这个游戏音乐

The music of this game.

这就是众人皆知了

This is well known to everyone.

对

Yes.

这个让我知道了

This made me realize.

一个就是

One is that.

做人的道理

The principles of being a decent person.

就是一定要站在制高点

It is necessary to stand on the commanding height.

不过这是我小时候

But this was when I was a child.

我觉得最受折磨的一款游戏

I think it's the most tormenting game.

是

Yes

而且他的这个

Moreover, his this

说点这个游戏内部

Talk about the internal aspects of this game.

就是说他的这个

That means his this.

我不知道是应该怎么评价他这个

I don’t know how to evaluate this about him.

就他的物理这种感觉特别好

His physics feeling is particularly good.

加速

Accelerate

而且有一个惯性

And there is an inertia.

就这些项目我做的都特别好

I did particularly well on these projects.

飞的感觉

The feeling of flying.

飘浮的感觉特别好

The feeling of浮 is especially good.

对

Correct.

在那个时候的一个游戏

A game from that time.

对

Correct.

我就想说

I just want to say.

那个时候能建立这种物理

At that time, it was possible to establish this kind of physics.

物理系统

Physical system

真是很难得

It's really rare.

对

Yes.

而且这是在当时没有任何书籍

Moreover, this was at a time when there were no books at all.

网络和一些资料的情况下

Under the circumstances of the internet and some information.

是

Yes.

连天通自己编写出来的一个程序

A program that Lian Tiantong created himself.

生生生写出来的

Written out of life and vitality.

对

Yes.

这也其实就引出了

This actually leads to

连天堂确实是一个天才程序员的

Even heaven is indeed the domain of a genius programmer.

那么一个底子有

So there is a foundation.

他不是一个纯商人

He is not just a pure businessman.

说实话

To be honest.

然后还是要批评

Then it still needs to be criticized.

批评一下大叔

Critique the uncle.

为什么我的速度就是比人慢

Why am I slower than others?

我的启动速度

My startup speed.

对

Correct.

这给你设难度

This makes it difficult for you.

对

Yes.

那个时候

That time.

严廉聪多大

How old is Yan Liancong?

那个时候他刚进HL

At that time, he had just joined HL.

应该是大学毕业

Should be a college graduate.

他那个在HL实习的时候

He was interning at HL at that time.

是大学还没毕业

I haven't graduated from university yet.

他就已经在HL来兼职了

He has already started working part-time at HL.

对

Yes.

那时候可能也就是二十来次

At that time, it was probably just about twenty times.

二十级到三二级都有可能

It could range from level 20 to level 32.

但具体不记得

But specifically I don't remember.

大学没毕业的话

If you haven't graduated from college.

可能就是二十出个头

Maybe just over twenty.

反正这个阶段应该是

Anyway, this stage should be...

严廉聪最发挥就是

Yan Liancao's greatest strength is

发挥制作人

Play the role of a producer.

对

Yes.

程序员这个才能的时候

When it comes to the talent of a programmer

对

Yes.

咱们现在很多的时候的形象

Our image a lot of times now.

都是把严廉聪继承了一个

It is all about inheriting a serious and principled intelligence.

说着一个很正经的头型

Talking about a very serious hairstyle.

穿着西服戴眼镜的人

A person wearing a suit and glasses.

很难想象

Hard to imagine.

一个二十出头的一个年轻人

A young man in his early twenties.

他那个时候是一个什么形象

What kind of image did he have at that time?

不知道大家能不能找到这个图片

I don't know if everyone can find this picture.

因为很难找到严廉聪年轻时候照相

Because it is very difficult to find photos of Yan Liancong from his younger days.

好像有一张

It seems there is one.

就是小胖子

It's just a little chubby kid.

小胖子

Little Fatty

一直都是小胖子

Always been a little chubby.

特别像《动物之森》里

Especially like in "Animal Crossing."

那个小狗的那种

That kind of little dog.

有一个小分头

There is a small parting.

然后胖乎乎的那种

Then it's the chubby kind.

来戴一个眼镜

Come and wear a pair of glasses.

听不懂

I don't understand.

特造电转的照片上是有的

There are photos of the special electric transfer.

是吗

Is that so?

大概见过

Probably seen it before.

对

Yes.

有空咱搜一搜吧

Let's search it when we have time.

我觉得可以公布一下

I think it can be made public.

咱这个实验段

Our experimental segment

等于是

It is equivalent to.

就在这个阶段

At this stage.

其实是任天堂

Actually, it's Nintendo.

严廉聪真正开始起步的一个阶段

A stage where Yan Liankong truly began to take off.

对吧

Right?

对

Correct.

他发挥他天才程序员的实力的时候

When he demonstrates his genius as a programmer.

基本上是在这个阶段

Basically at this stage.

他在当程序员的时候

When he was a programmer.

这时候有几个比较就是说

At this time, there are several things to say.

凸显他这个天才实力的方面的

Highlighting the aspects of his genius strength.

就是一个是做了这个气球大战

It's just that one has done this balloon battle.

另外一个就是他给这个口袋妖怪金银

Another thing is that he gave this Pokémon gold and silver.

开发了一套这个压缩的这个程序压缩的技术

Developed a set of technology for compressing this program.

对

Yes.

这我插一下

Let me chime in here.

就是好像当时好像我听说就是超级玛里奥

It was like at that time I heard that it was Super Mario.

水下关卡的时候用的程序就是气球大战的那个程序

The program used for the underwater level is the same as the one used in Balloon Battle.

对

Yes.

就他那个

Just his that.

对

Yes.

那套怪性系统

That strange personality system.

难怪呢

No wonder.

我觉得为什么那么一样

I feel like why it's so the same.

特别像

Very similar.

对

Yes.

他就是给口袋妖怪金银开发了一套这个软件压缩的技术

He developed a software compression technique for Pokémon Gold and Silver.

然后让这个口袋妖怪金银实现了这个地图上面的一个扩展

Then this Pokémon Gold and Silver realized an expansion on this map.

就只有这一部分是能够在通关之后

Only this part can be completed after passing the customs.

你还可以再探索新的地图

You can still explore new maps.

就是能探索第一代的地图

It can explore the maps of the first generation.

对

Yes.

就唯一只有金银这座是可以探索两代的地图

Only the Golden and Silver versions can explore the maps of two generations.

对

Yes.

而且这时候好像任天聪已经是HIL研的社长了

At this time, it seems that Ren Tiancong has already become the president of HIL Research.

是吧

Is that so?

好像是

It seems like it.

他已经

He has already.

其实这个时间已经很后

Actually, this time is already quite late.

98年了

It has been 98 years.

但他这个技术是属于一种开创性的技术

But his technology is a kind of groundbreaking technology.

然后另外还有一个就是在Mother 2

Then there is also one in Mother 2.

就是这个中文名是叫地球冒险

The Chinese name is called Earth Adventure.

对

Correct.

当时呢

At that time,

那个制作人把他原来的代码交给任天聪的时候

When that producer handed over his original code to Ren Tiancong.

他说他想实现的一些目标

He said some goals he wants to achieve.

任天聪对这个制作人说了下边这段话

Ren Tiancong said the following to this producer.

就是有两个选择方式

There are two ways to choose.

第一

First

就是严许用你这套代码

It’s just that Yan Xu is using your code.

两年之后

Two years later.

这个游戏可以出现

This game can appear.

另外一个方式就是我重新做半年

Another way is for me to redo it for half a year.

我可以做出来

I can make it.

对

Yes.

之后

Afterwards

真半年做出来

It really took half a year to make.

他真的用了半年

He really took half a year.

只用了半年的时间就实现了这个

It was achieved in just half a year.

原来这个制作人想实现的目标

It turns out that this producer's goal is to be achieved.

当时也是寂静四座

At that time, it was also silent all around.

这是SFC上的是吧

This is on the SFC, right?

Mother 2好像是

Mother 2 seems to be.

最开始好像是SFC

It seems that it all started with SFC.

SFC

SFC

后来在那个GBA上

Later on that GBA.

一直有复刻

There has always been a replica.

对

Yes.

更多的应该是

It should be more.

都是在玩在GBA上的复刻那一版

They are all playing the remastered version on the GBA.

对

Correct.

然后GBA的三代也有中文

Then the third generation of GBA also has Chinese.

可能国内有的人也玩

Some people in the country might play as well.

对

Yes.

而且Mother这个RPG系列

Moreover, the Mother RPG series

也是影响力很深远的一个系列

It is also a series with a very far-reaching influence.

在美国和日本

In the United States and Japan.

对

Correct.

美国好像就是说

It seems that the United States is saying...

玩家也是经常说

Players often say too.

特别是三

Especially three.

因为隔了很长时间

Because it has been a long time.

一直不出

Always not coming out.

还不出

Can't pay it back yet.

对

Correct.

美国玩家一直在请愿

American players have been petitioning.

说赶紧出

Hurry up and come out.

三行也是这杯发售的时候

The three lines are also when this cup is released.

我就这杯

I'll just have this cup.

就是这款游戏

It's this game.

发售的时候

At the time of release.

我才知道有Mother这个游戏

I just found out about the game Mother.

以前确实不太了解

I didn’t really understand it before.

因为对于咱们来讲的话

Because for us来说的话

超任这台主机的话

If it’s about the Super Famicom.

普及率并不高

The penetration rate is not high.

对咱来说断档了相当于

For us, a break in continuity is equivalent to...

对

Yes.

刚有了这个

Just got this.

其实刚有了GBA的时候

Actually, it was just when the GBA first came out.

应该说普及率也是不高

It should be said that the penetration rate is also not high.

因为这是一个

Because this is a

它实用的时候

When it is practical.

不方便

Inconvenient.

没有灯

No light.

等到有了SP

Wait until there is SP.

这真是一夜之间

This really happened overnight.

SFC那个时候

That time of the SFC.

一个是因为

One reason is that

它的卡带的售价太贵

The price of its cartridge is too expensive.

那时候的话

At that time.

就是中国

It is China.

玩家的那个收入

The player's income.

基本上还就在一个月

Basically, it's still just one month.

可能也就是几百块钱

It might be just a few hundred dollars.

那时候一张卡带的话

At that time, a cassette tape.

基本就是一个月的收入

Basically, it's about a month's income.

都干进去

All go in.

才购买一张卡

Just bought a card.

好不小心

Carelessly.

有我给大家带跑题来

I brought everyone off-topic.

大家聊了主题

Everyone talked about the topic.

所以就是说

So what you’re saying is

然后就是盗版的话

Then there's the issue of piracy.

哪怕是盗版

Even if it's a pirate copy.

它需要用磁碟机

It requires a disk drive.

那一套磁碟机下来的话

If that set of disk drives comes down...

当时也得好几千

At that time, it also cost several thousand.

就是压力太大

It's just that the pressure is too high.

所以可能中国玩家

So it is possible that Chinese players

接受起来

Accept it.

就还比较困难

It's still relatively difficult.

因为炎天聪是59年生人

Because Yan Tiancong was born in 1959.

到了98年的时候

By the year 1998

正好是他39岁

It just so happens that he is 39 years old.

现在39岁

Now 39 years old.

那么随着到99年

So, as we reached 1999.

2000年的时候

In the year 2000.

新世纪到来

The arrival of the new century.

炎天聪也步入了

Yantian Cong also stepped in.

过了不惑之年

Past the age of fifty.

这个时候

At this moment.

他的人生展开了一个

His life unfolded a

全新的一页

A brand new page.

快点来介绍一下

Hurry up and introduce yourself.

炎天聪2000年

Yan Tiancong, year 2000

接任HL社长的时候

When taking over as president of HL.

HL研他亏损很严重

HL's losses are very serious.

然后就是用了

Then it was used.

七年的时间

Seven years.

好像是吧

Seems like it.

是93年

It's 1993.

93年到2000年

From 1993 to 2000.

他93年接的HL社长

He became the president of HL in 1993.

到2000年

By the year 2000

到2000年的时候

By the year 2000

这七年

These seven years.

就是用星之卡比

It's just using Kirby.

主要是星之卡比

Mainly Kirby.

来帮助HL

Come to help HL.

打乱斗吧

Let's start a brawl!

打乱斗也有

There is also a chaotic fight.

星之卡比主要是

Kirby is primarily about

他是主要的

He is the main one.

就是用这几款游戏

It's just using these few games.

帮助HL扭亏为盈

Help HL turn a profit.

40亿日元的债务

4 billion yen in debt

全都给抹平了

All smoothed out.

就因为这一点

Just because of this.

炎天聪被任天堂的社长

Yan Tiancong was appointed by the president of Nintendo.

山泰甫看中

Shan Taifu is interested.

升任了任天堂的董事

Promoted to a director at Nintendo.

而且这与此同时

Moreover, at the same time.

其实同期

Actually同期

其实大家当时

Actually, everyone at that time

毕竟山泰甫也到岁数了吗

After all, Shan Taifu has reached the age as well.

对

Yes.

当时其实他的女婿

At that time, he was actually his son-in-law.

荒川石其实是最有力的一个接任者

Akagawa is actually the strongest successor.

对

Yes.

当时都在传说

At that time, it was all rumored.

这个因为任天堂一直是家族企业

This is because Nintendo has always been a family business.

对

Yes.

任天堂的那个山泰甫没有儿子

Nintendo's Shuntaro Furukawa does not have a son.

好像是吧

It seems so.

他好像是没有儿子

He seems to have no son.

他只有女儿

He only has a daughter.

然后就是说

Then it’s said that...

而且荒川石是为了这个北美任天堂

Moreover, the Arakawa Stone is for this North American Nintendo.

立下汗马功劳的一个人物

A person who has made significant contributions.

就是当时呼声最高的是他

At that time, he was the one with the loudest support.

但是江拓土的人

But the people of Jiangtuo.

对

Correct.

但就是因为什么呢

But what is the reason for that?

当时因为微软要进入游戏界了

At that time, Microsoft was about to enter the gaming industry.

荒川石当时是打算把任天堂卖给微软

Arakawa was actually planning to sell Nintendo to Microsoft at that time.

有这么一个说法

There is such a saying.

但是呢

But...

最后就是说

In conclusion, it means.

山泰就因为这一点

Shantai is just because of this point.

山泰甫就是说

Shan Taifu means.

一下就把他女婿就给踢出去

He was kicked out right away by his son-in-law.

我听说的还有一个原因

I heard there is another reason.

就是当时那个荒川石拿了很多资金去投其他的娱乐业

It was at that time that Arakawa Stone took a lot of funds to invest in other entertainment industries.

把我们服装

Put on our clothing.

也有各多

There are also many.

就有败家的感觉

It feels like wastefulness.

他要学索尼的那种综合的娱乐产品

He wants to learn about Sony's comprehensive entertainment products.

但这其实是让山泰甫很烦恼

But this actually makes Shan Taifu very troubled.

很头疼的一件事

A very troublesome matter.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

就因为这几件事

Just because of these few things.

然后山泰甫就觉得他的女婿可能不太适合来继承他的一波

Then Shantai Fu felt that his son-in-law might not be suitable to inherit his legacy.

于是就在本社内提拔一些年轻有为的这种

So, some young and capable individuals were promoted within the company.

就是又有商业头脑

It means having a business mindset again.

然后又真正懂游戏的一些

Then I really understood some of the game.

主要还是要懂游戏

The key is to understand the game.

真正就是说理解玩家需要什么样的游戏的这种人来执掌任天堂打棋

What it really means is having someone who understands what kind of games players need to lead Nintendo.

于是乎就提拔了一个

So they promoted someone.

刚进社没几年

Just entered the company a few years ago.

那时候颜天聪进社没几年

At that time, Yan Tiancong had been in the club for only a few years.

两年

Two years

就刚刚两年

Just two years ago.

就是说

That is to say.

大家之前可能都

Everyone may have previously...

就是在他那个颜天聪升任社长之前

It was just before Yan Tiancao was promoted to president.

大家可能都对他不是特别熟悉

Everyone may not be particularly familiar with him.

怎么就提拔了这么一个人来当社长

How could such a person be promoted to president?

还不是他的亲戚

Not yet his relative.

对

Yes.

就是一般都是走裙带关系

It's usually done through nepotism.

你想是一个家族企业

You want to be a family business.

可能都是在家里边找一个亲戚来担任社长

It might be that they are looking for a relative at home to serve as the president.

实习

Internship

对

Yes.

结果就很突然的提拔了一个年轻人

As a result, a young person was suddenly promoted.

而且他是程旭

And he is Cheng Xu.

原出身

Original origin

当时大家都在想

At that time, everyone was thinking.

他可能没有什么商业头脑

He may not have much business acumen.

但是事实证明他不是这个样子

But the fact is that he is not like this.

而且当时他上任之前

Moreover, before he took office at that time.

就是山内浦其实为颜天聪铺好了很大

In fact, Shan Neipu has really set up a big opportunity for Yan Tiancong.

就铺好了很长的路

A long road has been paved.

第一是

The first is

现在可以说是清洗了

Now it can be said to be cleaned.

当时的一些老人

Some elderly people at that time

人间堂的老员工

The old employees of the Human Hall.

有点像山内浦自己当当初当社长的时候

It's a bit like when Yamauchi was the president back in the day.

对

Yes.

他刚上台的时候清洗了一群

When he just took the stage, he cleaned up a group.

这个

This

他原老级的

He is an old-school type.

他爷爷那会儿

At that time, his grandfather...

那会儿了

At that time.

原老留下来的

Left behind by the old residents.

等一直是处于一种枭雄的那种状态

Waiting has always been in a state of a hero or a fierce character.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

而且那个颜天聪和公本报的关系非常好

Moreover, Yan Tiancong has a very good relationship with Gongben Bao.

毕竟都是程旭出身

After all, they all come from Cheng Xu.

不是那个公本报是那个美术出身

It's not that the report is from the public, but rather that it comes from an art background.

美术

Fine arts

对

Yes.

但是他对对对

But he is right.

特别喜欢游戏

Really enjoys games.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

就是公本报也是那种就是后来他虽然美术

It's just that the official report is also that kind of thing, even though he later became an artist.

但后来他在这个程序开发上也是被誉为游戏之神吧

But later he was also hailed as the god of games in this program development.

对吧

Right?

就是在游戏开发领域就是非常有造诣的两个人走到一起了

It is two individuals with great expertise in the field of game development coming together.

对

Yes.

好像比较一下吧

Let's compare it.

在两千年的时候出现了几个应该说自己内部的话

In the year 2000, several internal discussions should have taken place.

就是刚才耗子在之前提过的

It was just mentioned earlier by the mouse.

他的这个NGNGCNGC的话

His NGNGCNGC words.

还有一个是N64

There is also an N64.

还有之前就是那个开发的一系列这种很奇怪的

There was also that series of very strange things developed before.

就是那个

That's the one.

就是那个那个带眼罩

It's that one with the eye mask.

那个眼罩

That eye mask.

那个那些那些机器的话

Those machines' words.

遇到了一些就是一些麻烦吧

Encountered some troubles, that's all.

因为这么大的一个尾巴的话

Because such a big tail...

他割不掉

He can't cut it off.

那怎么任天堂怎么迈向新世纪

So how is Nintendo stepping into the new century?

这是一个内部的一个问题

This is an internal issue.

同时外部问题大家也都知道

At the same time, everyone is aware of the external issues.

在99年到2000年之间出了就是PSR

Between 1999 and 2000, it was called PSR.

PSR的这个发售

The release of PSR.

对于应该说全到现在咱们也要承认的时候

When we should say that we have to admit it by now.

索尼最成功的机器就是PSR

Sony's most successful machine is the PSR.

对

Yes.

那么在这个时候内外应该说交困的时候

At this time, both internally and externally, it can be said that we are in a difficult situation.

这个刚过不破之年的这个

This just passed the year without breaking.

应该说中年的炎天葱进入了这个就决策层

It should be said that the middle-aged fan has entered this decision-making level.

那么他将面临就是面临一系列的问题吧

Then he will face a series of problems, right?

现在呢

What about now?

看来的话

It seems that...

炎天葱做到了应该是最好的一个决策

On a scorching day, taking green onions was probably the best decision.

就是砍掉了之前所有的这些尾巴

It just cut off all these tails from before.

就是说应该说我觉得这是一个决策团体吧

I mean, it should be said that I think this is a decision-making group.

就是既然在进了董事这个位置了嘛

Since I've already taken on the position of a director...

那么他的肯定也有帮助的

Then his affirmation is certainly helpful too.

就是砍掉了一系列所有的这些尾巴

It has basically cut off a series of all these tails.

然后向前向向V的迈步

Then step forward towards V.

而且呢

Moreover,

包括掌机上出了这个就是

Including the fact that this came out on handheld devices.

G3D

G3D

3.S

3.S

GGBH之后呢

What comes after GGBH?

出了一个应该是更成功的一个机器

A machine has been produced that should be more successful.

对

Correct.

NDS系列

NDS series

NDS也可以算是历史上最成功的掌机

The NDS can also be considered the most successful handheld console in history.

对

Yes.

目前为止

So far

他也是就是说在销量上来说

He is also saying that in terms of sales volume.

他是整个游戏历史上最成功的一个平台

He is the most successful platform in the entire history of gaming.

销量是最多的

The sales are the highest.

超过PS2

Surpassing PS2

对

Yes.

其实他发售NDS也算是一个临危寿命

In fact, his release of the NDS can be considered a lifeline in a crisis.

因为当时GBA发售没有几年

Because the GBA was released only a few years earlier.

索尼那边就宣布了一个PSP IP

Sony has announced a PSP IP.

对

Yes.

然后这个时候

Then at this moment

这个时候

At this moment

其实PSP

In fact, PSP

已经是碾压GBA性能的

It has already crushed the performance of the GBA.

然后他们当时

Then they at that time.

其实我感觉是没有想出新主机计划

Actually, I feel that there are no new console plans being thought of.

是临危

It is a critical moment.

然后想到了NDS这个点子

Then I thought of the idea of NDS.

其实你看当年

In fact, if you look back to those years...

03年E3吧

2003 E3, right?

他第一次公开NDS的时候

The first time he publicly announced NDS.

04

04

03年

03 years

是02年

It's 2002.

02吧

02 bar

02年

2002

第一次咱拿出实机

This is the first time we've taken out the real machine.

实机好像03年

The actual machine seems to be from 2003.

03年

Year 03

他是最开始拿那个机器

He was the first to take that machine.

还不是最后的一个外形

It's not the final shape yet.

还不是最终的造型

It's not the final shape yet.

很卡通的一个造型

A very cartoonish design.

对

Correct.

那台机器

That machine.

我说一个字

I say a word.

一个小故事

A short story.

就是我在

It's just me here.

石佛岩一个小学门口

A primary school gate at Shifo Rock.

见过那台机器

I have seen that machine.

就是老太太推小车

It's just the old lady pushing a cart.

卖的那台机器的一个模型的

A model of the machine that was sold.

打气泡的那个游戏

The game of popping bubbles.

那个版本

That version.

一模一样

Exactly the same.

这里面灌水吗

Is there any fluff in this?

对

Correct.

双屏的

dual-screen

当时我见过那个机器

I had seen that machine at the time.

就是那台机器的原型

That is the prototype of that machine.

当时其实大家印象挺深的

At that time, everyone actually had a pretty deep impression.

但其实在04年11月

But actually in November 2004

就是在他机枪发售之前

It was just before his machine gun was released.

他突然改了

He suddenly changed.

改了

Changed.

也可以能看出来

It can also be seen.

确实当时是一个

Indeed, it was a time when...

对

Yes.

很临时对抗PIP的一个举措

A temporary measure to counter PIP.

从我的记忆来讲

As far as my memory goes

我印象最深的是什么

What impresses me the most is what.

是游戏机实用技术杂志

It is a practical technology magazine for game consoles.

特别有意思的时候

Especially interesting times.

因为是掌机

Because it is a handheld console.

两大掌机对决

Battle of the Two Major Handheld Consoles

那个时候游戏机实用技术杂志

At that time, gaming console technology magazine.

用了一个应该

Used a should.

现在来讲都是很流行的一方式

This is now a very popular method to talk about.

实机大小的印刷

Actual size printing

就杂志上对比一下

Just compare it in the magazine.

这两台PSP是多大个的

How big are these two PSPs?

然后在一样里边对比

Then compare them within the same category.

NDS是多大个的

How big is the NDS?

可是那个时候

But at that time

概念图NDS明显

The concept map NDS is obvious.

它在设计上是不如PSP

Its design is not as good as the PSP.

又不先进

Not advanced again.

又不留线

No lines left again.

就是处处不如PSP好看

It's just that it's not as visually appealing as the PSP everywhere.

你这么说

You say so.

当时当年索尼

At that time, Sony.

在04年的时候

In 2004.

还是属于鼎盛阶段

Still in its heyday.

虽然有些衰退

Although there is some decline.

但还是鼎盛阶段

But it is still in a prosperous stage.

而且索尼的工业设计

Moreover, Sony's industrial design

一直是行业领先

Always been industry-leading.

包括苹果都承认

Including Apple has also admitted.

索尼的工业设计

Sony's industrial design

是业界领先的

It is industry leading.

这样一对比

Such a comparison.

大家很明眼

Everyone is very perceptive.

一看都是

At a glance, everyone is the same.

而且当时

And at that time

其实那个年代

In fact, that era.

我觉得大家对科技感的追求

I think everyone is in pursuit of a sense of technology.

要比现在还强

To be stronger than now.

而且那个时候

And at that time

人家说是NDS用的还是卡带

People say it's either for NDS or a cartridge.

而那个PSP

And that PSP

就已经开始使用UMD光盘了

They have already started using UMD discs.

而且那个时代是什么

And what era is that?

卡带的技术

The technology of cartridges.

没有像现在这样发达

Not as developed as it is now.

卡带一直认为

The tape has always believed.

它的容量是最大的瓶颈

Its capacity is the biggest bottleneck.

然后光盘的话

Then, about the CD.

它拥有大容量

It has a large capacity.

那时候UMD是1.98个G

At that time, UMD was 1.98 GB.

然后卡带这边

Then over here with the cassette.

可能还是几百个兆

It might still be several hundred megabytes.

那个时候好像是这样

It seems to be like that at that time.

512兆

512 trillion

512兆已经是最大了

512 trillion is already the maximum.

所以认为

So I believe.

可能在画面表现上

It may be in the visual presentation.

或者说是在游戏整体表现上

Or it could be said in terms of the overall performance of the game.

而且成本光盘也会低一些

Moreover, the cost of the disc will also be lower.

对光盘会低

The disk will be low.

所以那时候认为

So at that time, I thought.

一致的都认为PSP

Everyone agrees that PSP

会轻易的就把NDS干掉

Could easily take down the NDS.

然而

However

事实并不软

The facts are not soft.

第二年就看出

It can be seen in the second year.

其实从它05年的时候

In fact, since 2005.

就已经能看出差距了

The gap can already be seen.

而且这还是在

Moreover, this is still in

就是怪物猎人

It's just Monster Hunter.

就突然杀出一个

Suddenly, a figure emerged.

这么一个黑马的情况下

In such a situation with a dark horse.

就这样的话

That's how it is.

都没有去改变NDS

None of them have changed the NDS.

在最后就是一步一步

In the end, it's step by step.

一年一年的去

Year after year it goes.

蚕食整个的掌机市场

Eroding the entire handheld gaming market.

那么一个现实

Such a reality.

怪物猎人只能说

Monster Hunter can only say.

那时候是给PSP续命

At that time, it was about giving new life to the PSP.

对

Yes.

他不能说改变

He can't say change.

我就说就在怪物猎人出

I said it's just when Monster Hunter is released.

有了天安吊馅饼

With Tianan's hanging pies.

那个事上都没有

That matter doesn't exist at all.

都燃病卵的话

All the sick eggs are burning.

可想而知

It is conceivable.

如果没有怪物猎人的话

If there were no Monster Hunter.

那PSP死了得多快

How fast did that PSP die?

从NDS其实可以看出

It can actually be seen from NDS.

就是严天聪

It is Yan Tiancong.

确实在市场这方面

Indeed, in terms of the market.

是有眼光的

Has good judgment.

对

Correct.

在市场这方面

In terms of the market.

我要说就是严天聪

What I want to say is Yan Tiancong.

他的决策是非常跨时代的

His decision is very groundbreaking.

他提出了一个

He proposed一个.

就是在游戏人群里

It's in the gaming community.

发展蓝海

Develop blue ocean.

这么一个概念

Such a concept.

当时是非常大胆的

At that time, it was very bold.

因为什么呢

Why is that?

索尼之所以能够成功

The reason why Sony has been able to succeed.

是因为他开拓了

It is because he has expanded.

大量的轻度玩家

A large number of casual players.

因为在更早之前

Because earlier before.

在PS之前

Before PS

任天堂一直是统治游戏界的

Nintendo has always dominated the gaming industry.

而任天堂那时候

At that time, Nintendo

SFC之前的游戏

Games before SFC

包括N64的游戏

Including N64 games.

都是核心项

They are all core items.

难度很高

The difficulty is very high.

索尼出来之后

After Sony came out

PS出来之后

After PS comes out

他利用他自己

He makes use of himself.

这个时尚的特点

The characteristic of this fashion.

利用大量的

Using a large amount of

这个精美的画面

This exquisite image.

CG

CG

吸引了大量

Attracted a large number

就是原来不玩游戏

I originally didn't play games.

或者说

Or rather

不经常玩游戏的人

People who do not play games frequently.

投入他的阵营

Join his camp.

那就是说

That means.

索尼是非常善于利用

Sony is very skilled at utilizing.

这些轻度玩家

These casual players.

而且他的游戏的表现

Moreover, the performance of his game.

非常吸引轻度玩家

Very appealing to casual players.

那么任天堂

So Nintendo.

怎么在这个基础上

How to build on this foundation?

再拓展蓝海

Further expand the blue ocean.

是当时一个

It was one at that time.

大家都在热议的一个话题

A topic that everyone is hotly discussing.

后来事实证明

Later, the facts proved.

任天堂发展了一批

Nintendo has developed a batch.

根本不玩游戏的人

People who don’t play games at all.

用一系列的游戏

With a series of games.

软件来发展了一批

A batch of software has been developed.

比如说老年人

For example, the elderly.

比如说女性玩家

For example, female players.

这是索尼原来

This is originally Sony.

就是可能不会去

It's just that I might not go.

这个

This

把这些玩家

Take these players.

来拿来到他的这个

Come to take this from him.

对不在考量范围之内的

Not within the scope of consideration.

从这个就是应用一些

This is applying some.

就是一些小游戏的

It's just some mini-games.

这种软件

This kind of software.

比如说就是因为我在

For example, it's just because I am here.

那时候在留学

At that time studying abroad.

比如说在欧美的话

For example, in Europe and America.

就是那个

That's the one.

九宫

Nine Palace

九格那叫什么

What is that called in the nine grid?

那什么游戏

What game is that?

速度游戏游戏游戏

Speed game game game.

速度

Speed

太疯狂了

So crazy.

就是在欧美那边的话

It's just that over in Europe and America.

我根本就不是玩家

I am not a player at all.

但是我可以买个那个

But I can buy that.

每天在玩速度

Playing at speed every day.

因为它方便的那一点就是

Because the convenient point is that

它根本不是用纸

It is not made of paper at all.

它就是那样用笔来写就OK了

It just needs to be written with a pen like that, and it's fine.

很方便

Very convenient.

就是这样的就是完全那种

It's exactly that, completely like that.

不接触游戏的玩家也进入

Players who do not engage with games also enter.

这种环境

This kind of environment.

没有一个学习的难度

There is no difficulty in learning.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

就上手太容易了就是

It's just too easy to get started.

那种触屏的那种感觉

That kind of touchscreen feeling.

而且包括一些

And also including some.

说实话现在可能

To be honest, it might be now.

看起来有时

It seems that sometimes.

严格意义来讲有时不太像游戏

Strictly speaking, it doesn't always feel much like a game.

但它真的是非常非常有游戏性的

But it is really very, very playful.

那些为你而生为你而死的那一系列的那种

Those who live and die for you, that kind of series.

就是

That's it.

很讨巧的游戏方式

A very clever way to play the game.

都特别特别的让人觉得眼前一亮

All of them are particularly striking and eye-catching.

对我想说一下我当时的感受就是

I want to talk about how I felt at that time, which is...

因为当时我确实是首发买的

Because at that time, I действительно made the initial purchase.

我确实首发买的

I did buy it on the first launch.

然后当时首发买

Then it was bought at the launch.

大概

Approximately

我到1月份

I will arrive in January.

我11月买主机但当时只能玩这边游戏

I bought a console in November, but at that time I could only play the games available here.

我到11月份的时候

When I get to November.

1月份的时候才去买了那个马里奥64DS

I just bought that Mario 64 DS in January.

其实64DS的主要的那个流程我确实没怎么玩

Actually, I haven't really played the main process of 64DS much.

但它那几些小游戏

But those few mini-games of it

那8个小游戏真正吸引了我

Those 8 mini-games really caught my attention.

就我当时就是

At that time, I was just...

与我上学嘛那会

Would you go to school with me?

上课时下课之后就与那个后座的女生

After class, I talked to that girl in the back seat.

或者其他同学一块就两个人

Or other classmates together, just the two of them.

你看你还记得当时有一个那个

Do you remember there was that one time?

找罪犯的那个游戏吗

Is it the game where you find criminals?

就上面上照片然后底下是马里奥头路易的朋友

The photo above is of Mario, and below is his friend Luigi.

对去找罪犯

Go find the criminal.

那个游戏我印象中

I remember that game.

你玩了多少关

How many levels have you played?

刷了最少是一个月

At least a month has passed.

打到了

Got it.

300多关

Over 300 levels.

就不停的玩不停的续

Just keep playing and keep continuing.

就在人山人海中找一个点小投那个

Just find a small spot to throw that in the sea of people.

这其实就是聪哥的一个理念

This is actually a concept from Brother Cong.

他是他一直在强调他

He is the one he has been emphasizing all along.

他希望游戏是可以面向所有人的

He hopes the game can be accessible to everyone.

不管

No matter.

就是说就是说他一直在说

That is to say, he has been saying all along.

现在很多游戏都只面临

Many games today only face

都只面对那些青年人和男性玩家

Only face those young people and male players.

然后他想做的游戏就是想面对

Then the game he wants to create is one that he wants to face.

所有的人所有年龄的玩家

Players of all ages.

而且任天堂就是无论是

Moreover, Nintendo is regardless of whether it is

反正就是

Anyway, it's just...

就是在掌机这一块

It's just in the handheld console segment.

因为我们到现在都是

Because we are still...

比较支持任天堂的掌机的游戏的这个

This is relatively supportive of Nintendo's handheld games.

一定要保留啊

You must keep it.

就是因为

It's because.

他一直留下了从GB开始的

He has always left from GB.

面联的这个

This one from the face connection.

就是面联的这个事

It's about the issue of face-to-face connections.

因为到PS到PSV大家都是依然就是

Because from PS to PSV, everyone is still just the same.

进入步入这个网络时代

Entering this digital age.

咱们还是在家里孤单的去玩

Let's play alone at home.

我都有掌机了我都可以出门了为什么还要在家里去

I already have a handheld console, so I can go out. Why do I still need to stay at home?

就孤单用网络去玩

Just to play online when I'm lonely.

而任天堂他走他的这条路就是

And Nintendo is following its own path.

面联

Face link

就像咱们现在用的最经典的就是

Just like the most classic one we are using now is

这个马车

This carriage.

玩马车这个事

The matter of playing with the cart.

包括还有就是像怪物猎人

Including games like Monster Hunter.

就是现在智碎怪物猎人投到这一块来

It's now that the smart fragment monster hunters have come to this area.

也是利用了面联这事我觉得也是非常好的

I think it's also very good to utilize the concept of face-to-face connections.

面联这个事是一种就是

The matter of face-to-face connections is a kind of...

行为诞生其实任天堂就是我觉得就是他把快乐是分享给

The birth of actions is actually that Nintendo is, in my opinion, sharing happiness.

对方的而且是共享的一种状态

It is a state of sharing with others.

这个理念是一直贯穿下来的

This concept has been consistently upheld.

而且任天堂现在还在做一个就是其他家好像都没有

Moreover, Nintendo is currently developing something that seems to be absent from other companies.

索尼也没有就是

Sony doesn't either.

一卡多人

One card, many people.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

好像只有任天堂

It seems that only Nintendo.

这个从GB时代吧

This is from the GB era, right?

GB时代真有

The GB era really exists.

GB好就有了

If GB is good, then it's there.

他卡比的小游戏

His Kirby mini games.

就完全可以这么来玩嘛

You can totally play it this way.

对

Correct.

就一卡多人就是说

It's all about one card for multiple people.

就是充分的分享

It is just sufficient sharing.

就是

That's it.

体现任天堂这个理念就是分享

The embodiment of Nintendo's philosophy is sharing.

对

Yes.

就他在

Just him there.

像时代

Like the era

像前时代进步的时候他没有忘记就是保留那些经典的那种老

Like in the past when progress was made, he did not forget to preserve those classics and the old ways.

老的模式

Old model

对他是不是

Is it for him?

通过像索尼一样是通过

Through like Sony is through.

黑科技

Black technology

对

Correct.

我去让那个玩家或者受众去有一个新的体验

I will let that player or audience have a new experience.

而是他是在一个

But he is in a...

平台线之内

Within the platform line.

我尽可能的用一种形式

I do my best to use a certain form.

去让大家有一个新的体验

Go let everyone have a new experience.

是的

Yes.

这个确实是很难得的

This is indeed quite rare.

任天堂的他这个

Nintendo's this one

推广硬件这个理念上受的影响很深的两个人

Two people who have been profoundly influenced by the idea of promoting hardware.

一个就是恒景君平

One is Hengjing Junping.

恒景君平当时在那个开发GB的时候他提出了一个理念叫什么呢

Hengjing Junping proposed a concept when he was developing GB at that time, what was it called?

落后技术的平行思考

Parallel thinking of lagging technology.

对

Correct.

这句话对任天堂的影响非常深

This sentence has a profound impact on Nintendo.

他就是

He is just

包括他

Including him.

上台之后

After going on stage

NDS

NDS

V

V

包括可能连VU都算上

Including possibly even VU.

都是在秉持这个理念就是落后技术

It is all about adhering to the concept of outdated technology.

在

At

在利用

In use

你看NDS当时出来的时候他所有的技术都不是最新的

When the NDS came out, all of its technology was not the latest.

都是已经在市面上非常普及了

They are all already very popular in the market.

就是大家已经见得非常多了

It's something that everyone has seen a lot of already.

没有什么特点的感觉

A feeling of nothing special.

但是他就通过把他这些

But he just did it by putting these things of his...

过时的技术

Outdated technology

整合起来然后

Integrate it all together and then.

开发一些

Develop some.

对应的

Corresponding

我觉得一个是这个点还有一个就是继承了任天堂一个传统就是

I think one aspect is this point, and another is inheriting a tradition from Nintendo, which is...

软件优先

Software first

软件优先这个特点就是我另外一个对他影响深就是山内谱

The characteristic of software prioritization is that it has deeply influenced me in another way, which is Yamauchi's score.

山内谱的当时启用就是说

The use of Yamauchi's system at that time means that...

软件是决定主机

Software determines the host.

最重要的一个因素

The most important factor.

有趣的软件才是

Only interesting software is.

让这个

Let this be.

主机能够大卖的根本性

The fundamental reason for the host's potential for a big sale.

硬件是给软件

Hardware is for software.

对

Yes.

硬件是为软件服务

Hardware serves software.

软件决定硬件

Software decides hardware.

这两点就让任天聪就

These two points made Ren Tiancong...

受益匪浅

Extremely beneficial.

这个刚才聊了03年04年

This was just talked about for 2003 and 2004.

差不多到05年这个时候

Around this time in 2005.

这个时候有一个最大的事件就是造就了目前任天堂

The biggest event at this time is what has shaped Nintendo today.

依然能够我刚跟会计说就这么小

I just told the accountant that it's so small.

感觉他和另外两位大哥比他就虽然小

I feel that he is just smaller compared to the other two older brothers.

但他依然能

But he can still.

提升在

Enhance in

三巨头之内的一个就是能做

One of the three giants is capable of doing it.

让任天堂做定这个

Let Nintendo make this decision.

三巨头之内就是V

Among the three giants, there is V.

V的发售

Release of V

V的出现

The appearance of V

最早的revolution

The earliest revolution.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

革命那个时候就说这个

The revolution said this at that time.

虽然名字都是转到V的时候

Although the names all switch to V when it comes to V.

这是我觉得到现在我依然

This is what I still feel to this day.

就是

That is it.

就是不能就不能忘记就是

It’s just that I can’t forget, it’s just that.

任天聪的这个拿出这个盒的时候

When Ren Tiancong took out this box,

但我有一个印象就往你这个时间轴带往提前一点

But I have an impression that brings me a little forward on your timeline.

就是当时我记得看杂志也好

I remember at that time whether it was reading magazines or not.

那会好像已经开始上网了

It seems that the internet had already started by then.

就有些人说

Some people say.

革命这个词就是

The word revolution means.

要革命

To revolutionize.

革了老人的命

Took the old man's life.

有这么一个笑话

There is a joke like this.

就是很多人不看好嘛

That's why many people don't have high hopes for it.

对

Correct.

这个

This

但是就是都被打脸了嘛

But they were all slapped in the face.

就是

That's right.

而且虽然改了名字

And even though the name has been changed.

拿出V之后

After taking out V

哎呀这是全新的一种感觉

Wow, this is a brand new feeling.

就是在

It's just that.

360这么大一大盒的时候

When the 360 box is so big.

然后在PS2也已经就是有点老化的时候

Then, when the PS2 was already aging a bit.

突然出现了一个全新的那么一个白白的一个小盒

Suddenly, a brand new little white box appeared.

而且事隔半年之后

Moreover, half a year later.

在TGS上面任天聪拿出来那个

At TGS, Ren Tiancang took out that.

白色的

White

摇空气

Shake the air.

不知道是什么

I don't know what it is.

是什么

What is it?

当时真的不知道是什么

At that time, I really didn't know what it was.

我以为拿出来真的是一个摇空气

I thought taking it out would really be like shaking air.

但是他说这是手柄

But he said this is a handle.

然后

Then

就震惊全世界

It shocked the whole world.

而且

and

最让我开心的就是最有效就是想笑的意思就是

What makes me the happiest is that the most effective meaning is to want to laugh.

之后啊

After that, ah.

电视厂商非常高兴了

The TV manufacturers are very happy.

因为全都是不是

Because everything is not.

就全都是窟窿眼

It's all just holes.

就是网上那个时候咱们也刚有网络嘛

It was just around the time we first got the internet.

那个时候你可能还没有百度

At that time, you might not have had Baidu yet.

像Google这种搜索引擎

Search engines like Google.

可是你看那些网上流传那些贴吧里面那些图片

But look at those images circulating online in those forums.

都是

All are.

这电视上有窟窿眼

There is a hole in this television.

然后灯泡被爆了

Then the light bulb exploded.

然后那个家里的家园都是窟窿眼

Then the home is full of holes.

就是V的给大家带来的就是各种的变化

What V brings to everyone is various changes.

给家庭带来了一些破坏

Brought some destruction to the family.

然后随后推出了一个一个一个

Then one after another, it was launched.

手神

God of Hands

正式聊聊V吧这个

Let's have a serious talk about V.

说手神我再说一个

I'll say another one, speaking of hands.

说一个点就是前一阵

To make a point is just a while ago.

Kittyberry演唱会的时候

During the Kittyberry concert.

他那个

That thing of his.

他拿麦克风那个麦克

He took the microphone.

有些人说

Some people say

他也拴了一个V的神

He also tied a V spirit.

把话筒甩出去

Throw the microphone away.

好继续

Okay, continue.

继续

Continue

然后V呢其实V呢

Then V, actually V.

颜天聪这边有一点做的特别好

Yan Tiancong has done something particularly well here.

他就是有一个母亲至上的理念

He has a concept of maternal supremacy.

不知道你们清不清楚

I don't know if you are clear about it.

就是说

In other words.

他跟其他两家相比

He compared to the other two companies.

他是

He is.

想把

Want to have

体积缩小

Volume reduction

然后想把他的那个耗能缩小

Then I want to reduce his energy consumption.

然后就是说

Then it is said that...

因为在日本然后他们那边

Because they are in Japan and there.

母亲看孩子玩游戏什么都觉得游戏机机玩不好啊

Mother thinks that the child does not play the game console well while playing games.

占地儿或者打扫麻烦

Taking up space or causing cleaning trouble.

然后但是

Then but

颜天聪就根据这些现象把这些

Yan Tiancong based his observations on these phenomena.

体积缩小让他

The shrinking volume made him.

体积缩小直接都放进去

The volume shrinks and can be directly put in.

而且

Moreover

耗能缩小就可以

It can be reduced by reducing energy consumption.

全24小时待机不会被妈妈骂这些

Being on standby for 24 hours won't get me scolded by mom.

他是靠这些

He relies on these.

他是靠这些理念

He relies on these concepts.

然后再

Then again

其实是

Actually, it is.

是开发了V这台机器

It is the development of this machine, V.

这说的母亲至上其实不如说是为了

The idea of putting mothers first is actually more about...

为了

In order to

那个夺母亲至上

That has taken precedence over mother.

说藏起来就藏起来根本不容易被发现

If you say to hide it, then hiding it is really not easy to be discovered.

就那个小感应屏

Just that small touch screen.

小感应的小条多小啊

How small is the small strip of the little sensor?

而且他那个线

And that line of his

到现在我没见到那么细的线

I haven't seen such thin wires until now.

就是肉类这些东西

It's just things like meat.

这个V我觉得

I think this V.

在游戏的概念上就是刚才会计说这个事

In terms of the concept of the game, it is what the accountant just mentioned.

其实

Actually

V上面

On top of V

这些东西依然用的都不是世界上最

These things are still not the best in the world.

简单的技术

Simple technology

而且他就是到现在V和VU用的

Moreover, he is using V and VU even now.

就是那个显示这个

It's the one that shows this.

这个效果也永远都是落后于最新时代的

This effect will always be behind the latest era.

就是耐玩性特别特别强

It is just especially, especially strong in terms of replayability.

而且把这个

And also take this.

就是这种

It's this kind.

家庭娱乐是这个

Family entertainment is this.

这种团体娱乐做到最极致

This type of group entertainment is taken to the extreme.

对

Yes.

而且其实

And actually

蓝海其实在这时候是真正诞生了

The blue ocean actually was truly born at this moment.

是的

Yes.

对

Correct.

然后他是用的体感嘛

Then he was using motion sensing, right?

体感的话因为之前

Regarding the experience, because of before.

任天堂是第一个把体感游戏作为主流操作方式的一家

Nintendo was the first company to make motion control gaming a mainstream way of playing.

包括你说那个索尼后来出的MOO

Including the MOO that Sony later released, which you mentioned.

你说他是

You said he is.

哪怕是说他

Even if it's to say him.

先研发了很长时间

First, it was developed for a long time.

但是他出来的时候

But when he came out

大家都在感觉这个MOO就是在抄任天堂

Everyone feels that this MOO is just copying Nintendo.

说都会说嘛

"Of course I can talk!"

对

Yes.

实际去看

Actually go and see.

然后包括微软后来出那个Kinect

Then there was Microsoft later releasing that Kinect.

也是火了一段时间

It was also popular for a while.

后来发现

Later discovered.

可能也是因为软件的

It may also be because of the software.

没有任天堂的眼那么深

Not as deep as Nintendo's eyes.

其实这就是

Actually, this is it.

就刚才咱提到的

As we just mentioned.

软件先行的这个点

The point of software prioritization.

任天堂是真正的把体感融入到

Nintendo truly integrated motion sensing into.

核心游戏的这个操作方式里的

In the core gameplay, this method of operation is in.

他所有的这个

All of this of his.

主流的一方的游戏

The game of the mainstream side.

都改成了体感操作

They have all been changed to motion control.

然后对比

Then compare.

然后其实把三家对比一下就可以发现

Then, by comparing the three companies, one can actually find that...

就是说虽然

That is to say, although.

虽然MOO和Kinect的

Although MOO and Kinect's

他们的体感技术比任天堂的V要强

Their motion sensing technology is stronger than Nintendo's V.

但是他们的软件

But their software

其实

Actually

其实一想根本就没有几个能体现出体感操作

In fact, when you think about it, there are hardly any that can truly reflect the operation through physical sensation.

能很好体现提早操作的软件

Software that can well reflect early operations.

对

Yes.

然后其实就像我

Then it's actually like me.

像我给朋友推荐说

I recommend to my friend saying

有体感游戏你们玩啥

What motion-sensing games are you playing?

我肯定推荐V

I definitely recommend V.

因为Kinect只有

Because Kinect only has

只有那么几款游戏才有体感玩才有意思

Only a few games are interesting to play with physical sensations.

对

Yes.

这个刚才说的就是说把那些就是

What was just said is about those.

非那种核心向的玩家

Not the kind of core player.

拉入到这个

Pull into this.

那么就是说

So that means...

V

V

同样把它更好地做到就是

To do it even better is to

体育类游戏

Sports games

就是你想象不到的一些

It's just some things you can't imagine.

体育类游戏也都加进来

Sports games are also included.

就像那些

Just like those

就像Vsport那些东西

Just like those things from Vsport.

真正

genuine

你很能想象

You have a great imagination.

你能够

You are able to.

就是能快乐地就在大屏幕前

Just be happy in front of the big screen.

去玩那些就是

Just go have fun with those things.

高尔夫球

Golf ball

网球

Tennis

拳击

Boxing

保龄球

Bowling

这一打打一晚上

This fight lasted all night.

说实话当时我记得

To be honest, I remember at that time.

应该05年的E3吧

It should be the E3 from 2005.

还是06年的E3

It's still the E3 from 2006.

就在发售之前我记得

I remember just before the release.

他们那个炎天葱

Their summer onions.

雷吉

Reggie

公本棒

Public stick

还有一个美国胖哥们

There’s also a fat guy from America.

他们在四个台上

They are on four stages.

玩的时候

While playing

说实话

To be honest.

让我看得挺

Let me see it pretty.

有点郁闷

A bit depressed.

就你没有去体会的时候

Just when you haven't experienced it.

你没有去亲身感受这个游戏的时候

When you haven't personally experienced this game.

你完全不知道它的乐趣在哪

You have no idea where the fun is.

对对对

Exactly, exactly!

但你真正其实去上手体验的时候

But when you really get to experience it hands-on.

你发现

You discover.

真是一种新的体验

It truly is a new experience.

特别大的吸引力

Particularly strong attraction.

就是你玩到了才知道

You only know it when you play with it.

有无穷的乐趣

Endless fun.

那时候经常就是

Back then, it was often like this.

醒来以后右边的胳膊

The right arm after waking up.

或者左边的胳膊

Or the left arm.

特别酸的

Especially sour.

对是是是

Yes, yes, yes.

对

Yes.

但像刚才会计说到的就是

But as the accountant mentioned just now,

当那个

When that happens

微软出Kinect的时候

When Microsoft released the Kinect.

就适时的

Just in time.

这个那个谁

This person, that person.

就是那个V

It's that V.

要出了一个那个踏板

A pedal needs to be released.

V-Fit

V-Fit

V-Fit的那个

That one from V-Fit.

对对对

Exactly, exactly!

平衡板

Balance board

到现在我的很多朋友的

Until now, many of my friends have...

这个女朋友

This girlfriend.

还有妻子们

And there are the wives.

都到现在还在用

Still using it now.

就是日常的瑜伽嘛

It's just daily yoga.

这也是

This is also.

其实任天堂第一次把健康这个概念提出了一个健康的

In fact, Nintendo was the first to introduce the concept of health in a healthy way.

就是说大家不要

That means everyone should not.

坐在家里

Sitting at home.

因为那个一直是想说

Because that has always been what I wanted to say.

宅男

Otaku

坐在家里玩游戏都是大胖的

Sitting at home playing games is for big guys.

是

Yes.

他把提出这个概念让大家运动起来

He proposed this concept to get everyone moving.

可以达到健身的效果

Can achieve fitness results.

但是健身这个概念的话

But the concept of fitness...

就是吸引那些不玩游戏的人

It is to attract those who do not play games.

是一个

It is one.

而且就是游戏很大的卖点

Moreover, it is a major selling point of the game.

减肥

Weight loss

健身

Fitness

这个概念

This concept

这也是聪哥的一个理念吧

This is also a concept of Cong Ge, right?

就是他

It's him.

他一直希望游戏不是不是一个负面的词

He has always hoped that "game" is not a negative word.

而是一个正面的能给大家带来快乐的词

But rather a positive word that brings happiness to everyone.

然后他也就希望

Then he also hopes.

不仅带来快乐

Not only brings happiness.

然后我们身体的健康也是可以从游戏中获得

Then our physical health can also be gained from games.

对

Yes.

我说一个

I'll say one.

因为我比较爱看电影

Because I love watching movies.

我就说一个比较

I'll just make a comparison.

从电影方面来讲

From the perspective of film

即使在像

Even in something like

咱们说中国

Let's talk about China.

因为中国一直把游戏视为就是

Because China has always viewed games as just...

这个学习的学习里面毒瘤嘛

Is there a tumor in this learning of learning?

就说美国

Speaking of the United States.

美国这个地方的话

Talking about the United States.

大家可以看一下

Everyone can take a look.

近十几年的电影

Movies from the past decade.

从2000年之后的话

Words after the year 2000.

在

At

一提到说有这个

As soon as it is mentioned that there is this...

爱玩游戏的一个角色

A character who loves to play games.

就像会计说

Just like what the accountant says.

永远是一个

Eternity is one.

就在一个小黑屋里面

In a small dark room.

一个

One

坐在沙发前一个大胖子

A big胖子 sitting in front of the sofa.

在那里玩手柄

Play with the controller there.

玩的都是那种暴力游戏

They all play those kinds of violent games.

可是大家可以看一下近些年的一些

But everyone can take a look at some recent years'...

就是欧美的那些电影

It's those movies from Europe and America.

里面更多的就是女性角色

There are more female characters inside.

或者男性角色在一起玩游戏

Or male characters play games together.

手里面永远玩的都是

What you always play in your hands is always.

V和VO这些游戏

The games V and VO.

就是改变了很多欧美这些人

It has changed many people in Europe and America.

就是这些大众

It's just these people.

对于游戏这种概念的一些

Some concepts regarding games

一种改变

A change.

就是说

That is to say

大家在一起还是这种家庭娱乐

Everyone is together for this kind of family entertainment.

就是抛开了这个

That is just putting this aside.

纯游戏这个词

The term "pure game."

就把家庭娱乐

Just make it family entertainment.

就带到了这个

Just brought this over.

一个新的一个高度

A new height.

说到家庭娱乐这块

Speaking of family entertainment

我要说就是任俊桑的广告

What I want to say is Ren Jun-sang's advertisement.

永远的都是

Always is.

一家人在一起

A family is together.

对

Yes.

这是对的

This is correct.

他的广告游戏广告

His advertisement game advertisement.

就是游戏画面

It's just the game graphics.

可能并不是他的主要的

It may not be his main one.

要表达的内容

Content to be expressed

而他最需要体现的

What he needs to reflect the most.

就是一家人能够很开心的

It's just that the family can be very happy.

坐在一起玩游戏

Sitting together to play games.

他的广告永远都是

His advertisements are always

有一群人露出一张笑脸来

A group of people is smiling.

包括后来竹龙的广告

Including the later advertisements for the bamboo dragon.

对

Yes

他都要体现一个

He needs to embody one.

合家欢的这么一个概念

The concept of a family gathering.

对

Yes.

哪怕我爸爸玩的是一个暴力游戏

Even if my dad is playing a violent game.

但是一定要把他的

But you must take his.

起码一些特性

At least some characteristics.

比如派

For example, pie.

未幼派的特性表现出来了

The characteristics of the juvenile faction have emerged.

而且是在家庭的环境里

And it is in a family environment.

而且

Moreover

当时任天堂就很成功的一点

At that time, one successful aspect of Nintendo was...

就是什么

It's just what.

他当时在广告研发上

He was working on advertising development at that time.

就是广告宣传上面

It's about advertising promotion.

做了非常成功的一些案例

Made several very successful cases.

就是他请了一些明星

He invited some celebrities.

来配合他的广告

To cooperate with his advertisement.

包括NDS那个时候的任天狗

Including the Nintendo Dog from the time of the NDS.

他好像是请的

He seems to have been invited.

还有脑端链

There is also a brain-end chain.

脑端链他请的是松草菜菜子

The brain-end chain he invited is Matsusaka cabbage.

当然说一个话题性

Of course, let's talk about a topic.

就是松草菜菜子

It is just pine needle vegetable seeds.

脑年龄是56岁

Brain age is 56 years old.

就引爆了话题了

It has sparked a topic.

大家就想看一下

Everyone just wants to take a look.

说明星

Celebrity

的脑年龄是这样

The brain age is like this.

我的脑年龄是什么

What is my brain age?

就那种挑战欲给调起来

Just that kind of desire for challenge to be stimulated.

对

Correct.

一下就调起来了

It was adjusted right away.

然后他在那有一年

Then he was there for a year.

E3上演示任天狗的时候

When demonstrating Nintendogs at E3

也是找了一个美国的明星

Also found an American celebrity.

在现场玩

Play on site.

然后玩的时候

Then when playing

那个明星就弄一个小狗

That star just got a puppy.

因为他NDS的是

Because his NDS is

可以用麦克风

Can use a microphone.

可以对狗下命令

Can give commands to dogs.

然后那个女明星

Then that female celebrity

说让狗去

Let the dog go.

好像是去说是什么

It seems to be about saying what it is.

蹲下

Squat down.

结果那个狗转过来

As a result, the dog turned around.

给冲他甩了个屁股

Gave him a butt wiggle.

这一下子

This time.

大家兴致就提起来

Everyone's excitement was raised.

当场现场就哈哈大笑

Burst into laughter on the spot.

就是这个效果一下就达到

This effect is achieved instantly.

就体现了游戏的乐趣性

It reflects the fun of the game.

这一下就体现出来了

This has been manifested now.

当时那一段时间

That period of time.

包括V游戏和那个NDS游戏

Including the V game and that NDS game.

任天堂在广告上面

Nintendo is on the advertisement.

就是有很多经典案例

There are indeed many classic cases.

后来都被引入了

Later, they were all introduced.

这个广告业的教科书

This textbook of the advertising industry.

其实非常成功

Actually very successful.

你想想当时

Think about it at that time.

咱对比来看

Let's compare.

你看当时索尼做的那些广告

Look at those advertisements that Sony made at that time.

就因丝绒绒的那些广告

Just because of those velvety advertisements.

真恐怖知己

Truly terrifying soulmate.

对索尼那个时候的广告

About Sony's advertisements at that time.

也就是说暗示的话

In other words, a hint.

就很多就是暗示了一些不好的内容

It implies some negative content.

比如说他当时出那个白色的PSP的时候

For example, when he released that white PSP at that time.

就被欧洲那边好像起诉说

It seems that there is a lawsuit from the European side saying...

他这个性别这个种族歧视

His discrimination based on gender and race.

就是说就很失败的一些案例

That means there are some very failed cases.

都都是在索尼那边

It's all over at Sony.

所以只能说老任在这个时候

So we can only say that Lao Ren at this time...

确实抓住了受众的

It indeed captured the audience.

确实需求的那部分东西

The part of things that are indeed needed.

但是其实随着V的成功

However, with V's success,

其实也带来一些风险

In fact, it also brings some risks.

就是因为V太成功了

It's just because V is too successful.

但是下一代主机

But the next-generation console

如何何去何从

How to go and where to go from here?

这边差一个

This side is missing one.

就是任天堂最辉煌的2009年

It was Nintendo's most glorious year, 2009.

我说一个数据

I'll provide some data.

就是任天堂当时的市值

It was Nintendo's market value at that time.

用日元的话

In terms of yen.

就是36813亿日元

It's 36.813 trillion yen.

这个是任天堂历史上

This is part of Nintendo's history.

风值最高的

The highest value of wind.

市值最高的那个时间点

The highest market value at that point in time.

09年

2009

当时的话

At that time.

他排名是日本的企业里边

He ranks among the companies in Japan.

排名是第三位

The ranking is third.

仅次于丰田汽车和佳能

Second only to Toyota and Canon.

这大家可以想象一下

This is something everyone can imagine.

丰田汽车是一个什么产业的

Toyota Motor is a part of the automotive industry.

一个什么产业链上的

A certain industry chain.

一个大集团

A large group.

佳能的话也是办公设备

Canon is also office equipment.

这也是不可或缺的

This is also indispensable.

恰恰一个可有可无的游戏行业的

Just a game industry that is not essential.

这种一个公司

This kind of company.

成为了日本排名第三

Became the third in Japan.

比较好说的就是

It's easier to say that...

同一年09年

The same year, 2009.

索尼的市值是18000亿

Sony's market value is 18 trillion.

任天堂是他的两倍

Nintendo is twice as much as him.

索尼有10万元

Sony has 100,000 yuan.

任天堂只有5000人

Nintendo only has 5,000 employees.

在那个阶段

At that stage.

索尼真是被

Sony is really被.

是最低谷的时候

It is the lowest point.

而且那时候索尼也是

Moreover, at that time, Sony was also...

亏损

Loss

其实索尼已经好几

Actually, Sony has been quite a few.

亏了好长时间了

I've been at a loss for a long time.

就一直在亏损

Just一直在亏损.

他已经变卖了很多产业了

He has already sold off many properties.

但是就是说那时候

But at that time...

任天堂是如日中天的时候

Nintendo is at its peak.

不过顺着

But go along with it.

顺着这一页也过来了

It came over along this page as well.

顺着刚才浩子要说的

Following what Haozi was about to say earlier.

一个向前展望的

A forward-looking.

可是09年

But in 2009.

10年向不向前迈进的时候

A decade without moving forward.

有一位新哥们加入了

A new buddy has joined.

游戏行列的这个竞争的产业

The competitive industry of the gaming sector.

是无意加入

It was an inadvertent participation.

他真没想到吗

Did he really not expect that?

我当然只能那么说

Of course, that's the only thing I can say.

他可能没想到

He probably didn't expect it.

我觉得可能他真没想到

I think he probably really didn't expect it.

就是

That is it.

一带眼镜的哥们

A guy wearing glasses.

对一带眼镜的哥们

To the guy with glasses.

为什么

Why?

苹果到了11年的时候

When it comes to 11 years for the apple.

是iPad出现

The iPad has appeared.

此后这一两年

In the following one or two years.

世界峰回路转

The world is full of twists and turns.

整个的电视游戏产业的话

The entire television gaming industry.

都要重新审视一下

Need to re-evaluate it all.

自己还要在这世界上

Still have to be in this world.

还能活多少年

How many more years can I live?

就是iPad和iPhone的

It's for the iPad and iPhone.

这个整个的后台

This entire backend.

强大的

powerful

真是无比强大的软件出现

A truly incredibly powerful software has emerged.

这个APP整个的系统

The entire system of this app.

那么在这个时候

So at this moment.

就是说可能两大的

It means there might be two major ones.

就是两大平台都在拼命的

Both major platforms are fighting hard.

就是微软和索尼

It is Microsoft and Sony.

都在拼命向前走

Everyone is desperately moving forward.

360和PS3

360 and PS3

这个时候相继

At this time, one after another.

可能有一些改革什么的

There may be some reforms or something like that.

但在这个时候

But at this time

任天堂又面临着

Nintendo is facing again.

最大的一个挑战

The biggest challenge.

就是他的掌机

It's just his handheld console.

已经并不像原来那么瘦

Already not as thin as before.

就是一个

It's just one.

就是说那么独大的

That means being so dominant.

受蓝海

Blue Ocean受

受年轻人的欢迎

Popular among young people.

对的

That's right.

毕竟iPhone更小

After all, the iPhone is smaller.

更好拿

Easier to take.

毕竟iPad更方便

After all, the iPad is more convenient.

屏幕更大

The screen is bigger.

而且年轻人都是喜欢新的东西的

Moreover, young people always like new things.

这个点一定是最重要的

This point must be the most important.

对

Yes.

而且当时

And at that time

在那个阶段

At that stage.

其实你想

Actually, you want to.

Xbox Live是什么时候出现的

When did Xbox Live appear?

Live出来很早

Live out very early.

Xbox出来很早

Xbox came out quite early.

就是Xbox初代出来之后的

It's just after the first generation of Xbox came out.

第二两年之后

Two years later.

Live就

Just live.

初代的Live就已经崩盘

The original Live has already collapsed.

但其实0809年代的阶段

But actually, the phase of the 08-09 era.

其实网络已经开始真正

In fact, the internet has already started to truly

活起来

Come to life.

360

360

已经出来之后

After it has already come out.

就Live已经是核心的那种

Just Live is already the core kind.

在那个时候的话

At that time.

我们总是诟病

We are always criticizing.

就是任天堂

It's just Nintendo.

有些对于网络时代

Some thoughts on the internet age.

就是接受的

It is just acceptance.

老是慢半拍

Always a beat behind.

对

Yes.

其实那时候

Actually, at that time

现在可能说是一种吐槽和抱怨

It can now be said to be a form of complaining and griping.

但当时确实是这个情况

But that was indeed the situation at the time.

是

Yes

任天堂还是

Nintendo still does.

我说的那个看法

The opinion I mentioned.

就是任天堂一定是一家传统的

Nintendo is definitely a traditional company.

日本作坊企业

Japanese workshop enterprises

他有一种他自己

He has a kind of his own.

这个日本人的固执在里面

The stubbornness of this Japanese person is in it.

他就是说

He is saying.

他觉得自己这一摊儿

He feels that this situation of his.

他能守好

He can hold his ground well.

他可能他就认了

He might just accept it.

他觉得就是守好自己这个家业

He believes in taking good care of his own family business.

他觉得就已经可以了

He feels that this is already enough.

这个时候就出现了

At this moment, it appeared.

就这么说呢

That's just how it is.

咱们能聊聊3.S

Can we talk about 3.S?

还是先聊VU

Let's talk about VU first.

哪个再写

Which one should I write again?

3.S再写对吧

3.S Write it again, right?

我觉得3.S就就是走了一条吃老本的路了

I think 3.S has just taken a path of resting on its laurels.

就是他没有再向前去迈进一个更就是

He just didn't take a step further.

就如果说VU和N.S

Just talking about VU and N.S.

就是他没有再向前去迈进一个更就是如果说VU和N.S

He just didn't step forward any further; if we say VU and N.S.

是一种完全的创新

It is a complete innovation.

眼前一亮的创新

A refreshing innovation.

那个之后的话

The words after that.

那么3.S完全就是一个毫无进步的一种

So 3.S is basically a form with no progress at all.

只是属于卖噱头的一种升级版的机器

It's just an upgraded version of a machine that sells gimmicks.

对对对

That's right, that's right.

而且这个升级根本没什么用

And this upgrade is basically useless.

他这个就是我可以说就是3.S是任天堂自NDC之后

He can be said to be 3.S, which is Nintendo's after NDC.

再一次走这个只提升硬件性能的这么一条道的一个硬件

Once again, walk this path of hardware that only improves performance.

而且任天堂还干了一件特别特别大力的工作

Moreover, Nintendo has also done a particularly significant amount of work.

撩脸和败人品的事

Flirting and ruining one's reputation.

就可能大家现在都想不起来ощ个吊架的事

It’s possible that everyone might not be able to remember the hanging rack matter right now.

大使鸡

Ambassador Chicken

快给介绍一下

Please give a brief introduction.

大使鸡是因为 57枪的三年

The ambassador chicken is because of the three years of the 57 guns.

还是刚出来之后

Still after just coming out.

他的这个售价是

His selling price is

当时好像25000日元

At that time, it was around 25,000 yen.

比较贵

Quite expensive.

当时认为是一个对于厂级来说是一个比较高的价格

At that time, it was considered a relatively high price for the factory level.

然后在他出来之后的一年内

Then within a year after he came out

他的销量并不是非常好

His sales are not very good.

而且软件阵容的话

As for the software lineup,

对这个索尼

About this Sony.

跟索尼那边相比

Compared to Sony over there

可能并不是特别突出

It may not be particularly outstanding.

对

Yes.

它的初期一直都是

It has always been in its early stages.

用第三方软件来支持

Use third-party software for support.

对

Yes.

于是乎它在

Thus it is in.

迫不得已的情况下

In unavoidable circumstances.

宣布降价一万日元

Announce a price reduction of 10,000 yen.

非常突然

Very sudden.

然后呢

And then?

降价了一万日元之后

After the price was reduced by 10,000 yen.

宣布就是用十款

The announcement is to use ten models.

这个老游戏来弥补

This old game makes up for it.

这个已经购买了

This has already been purchased.

先前那个贵版本的

The previous expensive version.

机器的玩家

Machine player

对

Yes.

十款JBA游戏

Ten JBA games

和十款FC游戏

And ten FC games.

对

Yes.

用这些老游戏

Use these old games.

然后于是乎这个

Then this happened.

当时任天堂的

At that time, Nintendo's

这个官方的说法

This is the official statement.

是大使计划

It is the ambassador program.

对

Correct.

大使计划

Ambassador Program

就是回馈大家

It's just giving back to everyone.

二十款老游戏

Twenty classic games

然后

Then

这个机器就变成了

This machine has turned into.

被大家戏称为

Playfully referred to by everyone as

大使机

Ambassador aircraft

洛克

Locke

你那时候买了吗

Did you buy it back then?

我那时候没买

I didn't buy it at that time.

我是一二年初才买

I only bought it at the beginning of 2012.

我那时候已经买了两台了

I had already bought two at that time.

我那时候也买了一台

I also bought one at that time.

我首发就是那一台

That was the one I debuted with.

对

Yes.

我都首发

I’m the first to release it.

他那时候降价

He lowered the price at that time.

主要还是为了

Mainly for the purpose of.

应对PSV

Responding to PSV.

因为PSV也是两万五

Because the PSV is also twenty-five thousand.

对

Correct.

但是就是

But that is...

这个事

This matter.

实在是

Really is

现在想起来

Now that I think about it

就是太

It's just too.

太有点败人品

It's a bit disappointing to one's character.

那种感觉

That kind of feeling.

但是我觉得3DS

But I think the 3DS

在当时发售那个阶段

At that time during the release phase.

我还看到是

I also saw it.

有一个亮点的

There is a highlight.

就是

That's it.

就是在

It's just at.

严天聪

Yan Tiancong

就是咱之前也没提到这点

We didn't mention this point before.

就是严天聪上任之后

It was after Yan Tiancun took office.

其实老任跟

Actually, Old Ren and...

第三方的关系

Third-party relationship

其实得到了很大的改善

In fact, there has been a significant improvement.

对

Yes.

会计这应该很了解吧

You should be very familiar with accounting, right?

这也是严天聪的功劳

This is also the credit of Yan Tiancong.

因为在那个

Because in that

NDC之后吧

After the NDC.

就是因为那个

It's precisely because of that.

PSR实在是太强力了

The PSR is really too powerful.

那个时候就是

That time was just...

哦

Oh

几乎所有日本的第三方

Almost all third parties in Japan

都只在PSR上出游戏

All games are only released on PSR.

就是任天堂除了

It's just that Nintendo, apart from...

他自己本社的游戏以外

Aside from his own company's games.

剩下就是只能是

The rest can only be.

因为欧美那边

Because over there in Europe and America.

一直是贯彻全平台的

It has always been implemented across the entire platform.

他的那个NDC的时代

His era of NDC.

就只能是

It can only be.

那个欧美那边的游戏

That game from Europe and America.

做全平台

Do all platforms.

你才NDC上才能玩得到

You can only play it on NDC.

日本这边基本上

Basically here in Japan

像那个MGS双蛇

Like that MGS: Twin Snakes.

都是

All are。

公本茂亲自出马

Kong Benmao personally took action.

去跟小老秀夫谈

Go talk to the young master.

才让他委托一个

Only then did he entrust someone.

是归期式吧

It should be the return date style.

归期式

Return Date Style

归期式去给他外包

Outsource it to him in the form of a return date.

做了一个双蛇

Made a double snake.

不然的话

Otherwise

就是日本的第三方

It's just Japan's third party.

基本上是不会在

Basically, it won't be there.

NDC上出游戏了

A game was launched on NDC.

而且咱们带往

Moreover, we take it to.

十一周往前推一点

Push forward a little from eleven weeks.

其实在山内浦

In fact, at Shan Neipu.

现实之前

Before reality

其实就已经开始

Actually, it has already begun.

跟史格贝尔

With Schgerber.

埃尼克斯恢复

Enix recovery

对

Yes.

那种合作的关系

That kind of cooperative relationship.

对

Yes.

而且这时候任天堂

And at this time, Nintendo

也开始投资

Also starting to invest.

就是

That's it.

对

Yes.

那个时候就是比较著名的

That time was relatively famous.

就是那个

That's it.

三上真思带领了

Maki Miura led it.

卡普空的那个

That one from Capcom.

第六开发部吧

Sixth Development Department.

对

Yes.

做了一套那个

I made a set of that.

NDC五联发

NDC five-in-one vaccine

独占系列

Exclusive series

都是

All are.

失败了

Failed.

那个

That.

全都失败了

All failed.

都失败

All failed.

独占五联发

Monopolize the quintuple launch.

最后还有两个没出来

There are still two that haven't come out.

好像是

It seems so.

P03和红霞桥1

P03 and Hongxia Bridge 1

后来都

Later all

就P03没跨

Just P03 didn't cross.

红霞桥1和圣华维基4

Hongxia Bridge 1 and Shenghuawiki 4

最后都是跨了

In the end, it all crossed over.

跨了之后

After crossing over

就是说

That is to say.

那个

That.

结果直接就导致

The result directly led to

卡普空这一路

Capcom all the way

这个三上真思

This San Shang really thinks.

退设

Withdrawal of establishment

然后他的

Then his

卡普空留了一个

Capcom left one.

这个卡表的名字

The name of this card watch.

对

Yes.

留了一个卡表的名字

Left a name for a watch.

就很坏的名声

A very bad reputation.

之后呢

What happens next?

那个

That one.

虽然说卡表那边

Although it is said that on the card side

卡普空那边的

From Capcom.

这些出走的制作人

These departing producers.

都其实

All actually

对索尼都

To Sony, both...

不喜欢

Don't like.

不喜欢索尼

I don't like Sony.

但是

But

后来好像也是没有

Later it seems there was nothing either.

毕竟市场在那摆

After all, the market is right there.

对

Yes.

没办法

There’s no way.

P03这个

P03 this

皇者

Emperor

王者地位是没法

The status of a king cannot be.

动摇的

shaken

对

Yes.

所以就是说

So what you're saying is

严谦聪出马之后

After Yan Qiancong took action.

跟第三方的

With a third party.

这个关系修缮

This relationship is being repaired.

对

Yes.

包括

Include

他出了很大的力

He exerted a lot of effort.

当时这杯的时候

At that time with this cup.

像卡普空

Like Capcom.

也是出了

Also came out.

那个塞尔拿

That Sernar.

小人帽

Dwarf hat

这个洛克应该很了解了

This Locke should be quite well-informed.

对

Yes.

三角力量

Triangular Power

小人帽

Little man hat

都是卡普空

It's all Capcom.

给的代理做的

Done by the given agent.

包括南梦宫

Including Namco.

南梦宫当时也开发了

At that time, Namco also developed.

星际火狐

Star Fox

然后那个

Then that

银河战士

Metroid

交给了那个

Gave it to that one.

TECMO

TECMO

对

Correct.

然后那个

Then that

史惠尔恩尼克斯这边

Shihui Ernixis this side.

出了一系列水晶

A series of crystals has been released.

就是那个

That's the one.

水晶

Crystal

最终汉阳水晶

Final Hanyang Crystal

最终汉阳水晶系列

Ultimate Hanyang Crystal Series

对

Correct.

包括

Include

大哈姆克之怒

The Fury of Big Hamke

DQM

DQM

就是

It is.

勇者多龙快兽篇

Chapter of Brave Heroes and Fast Beasts

一系列的

a series of

就是非

Yes or no.

他的最终汉阳主线

His ultimate Hanyang main line.

这些东西

These things

都在

All are here.

任天堂这边出场

Nintendo is on stage.

最终幻想战略版

Final Fantasy Tactics

后来也出了

Later, it was also released.

FFTA

FFTA

对

Yes.

十字战争

Crusade

十字战争是天赋

The Crusades are a gift.

FFTA是

FFTA is

给了任天堂

Gave to Nintendo

是这杯专用的

This cup is specially for this purpose.

然后水晶面颠史

Then the crystal surface history.

这我印象特别深

I have a particularly deep impression of this.

但我

But I

我可能有记忆有错

I may have a faulty memory.

但是那个

But that

会计可以帮我补充

The accountant can help me supplement.

会帮我修正

Can you help me make corrections?

就是我记得当时

I remember at that time.

可能

Possible

任天堂与第三方的关系

Nintendo's relationship with third parties.

还是在处理一个

Still handling one.

就是

Exactly.

不是任天堂

Not Nintendo.

直接委托第三方做

Directly entrust a third party to do it.

而是他

But it is he.

任天堂去投资

Nintendo is going to invest.

中间一个小公司

A small company in the middle.

用一个小公司去帮忙

Use a small company to help.

就是拿第三方版权

It is to obtain third-party copyright.

去帮忙开发

Go help with the development.

任天堂主机专用的

Dedicated to Nintendo consoles.

一些游戏

Some games

是有一个

There is one.

这么一个情况在里面

Such a situation exists inside.

他就是

He is.

好像是有一个子公司

It seems there is a subsidiary.

他投资子公司

He invests in subsidiary companies.

然后来做这个代理

Then come to be this agent.

是这样

That's right.

就是这个

It's just this.

曲线救国的这种

The strategy of saving the country through indirect means.

对

Yes.

就用这种合作方式去做

Let's do it this way of cooperation.

对

Correct.

这更像是

This is more like...

他在VU时代

He is in the VU era.

做的一些事情

Some things done

VU时代的话

Words of the VU Era

其实他就是

Actually, he is.

他收编了很多

He recruited many.

比如像那零系列的开发商

For example, the developers of the Zero series.

他把它买成第二方了

He bought it as a second party.

然后白金这边

Then over here with Platinum.

也是他利用这个关系

He also took advantage of this relationship.

他委托

He entrusted.

对

Yes.

刚才想说的是

What I wanted to say just now is

塞尔达无双

Hyrule Warriors

这就相当于

This is equivalent to

一个把IP拖出去

Someone dragged the IP out.

然后在里边做独占的一个

Then do an exclusive one inside.

对

Yes.

但我印象最早

But my earliest impression

把塞尔达卖出去的是

The one who sold Zelda is.

灵魂力量

Soul power

就蓝猛公

Just about Baron Lanmeng.

给NGP开发的

Developed for NGP.

不是

No.

灵魂能力

Soul Ability

就是那个格斗

It's that fight.

能力

Ability

格斗游戏

Fighting game

格斗陷阱吗

Fighting trap?

不是

No.

这叫灵魂

This is called the soul.

灵魂

soul

灵魂力量

Soul power

就是灵魂力量

It's the power of the soul.

对

Correct.

格斗游戏

Fighting game

PS平台是达斯维达

The PS platform is Darth Vader.

然后13到18

Then from 13 to 18.

我记得

I remember.

特点游戏

Feature Game

然后Xbox平台是

Then the Xbox platform is

是光环

It's an aura.

还是谁

Or who?

石关长

Shiguanchang

你说的是灵魂能力

What you are talking about is soul ability.

灵魂能力

Soul ability

对

Correct.

灵魂能力是

The ability of the soul is

PS平台是

The PS platform is

是

Yes.

18

18

3到18

3 to 18

然后

Then

那个

That one.

Xbox是石关长

Xbox is Shiguan Zhang.

不是

No.

Xbox是夜魔侠

Xbox is Daredevil.

夜魔侠

Daredevil

对

Correct.

夜魔侠

Daredevil

然后NGC平台是林克

Then the NGC platform is Link.

对

Yes.

那是林克

That is Link.

第一次串场

First time hosting.

对

Correct.

第一次串场

The first time on stage.

通过这种

Through this

更多的与第三方的合作

More cooperation with third parties.

然后就是

Then there is...

任天堂明大乱斗

Nintendo Super Smash Bros.

那个

That one.

Snake

Snake

串场

Cameo appearance.

那个大乱斗

That big brawl.

对

Yes.

然后到最新的

Then to the latest.

VU上这版

This version on VU.

它是洛克人串场

It is a cameo of Mega Man.

这个

This

咱还回到

Let's go back.

政治时间轴上

On the political timeline

因为咱刚刚

Because we just...

就是从

It is from

那个

That one.

就跑亭吧

Let's run to the pavilion.

又跑亭了

Ran to the pavilion again.

没有没有

No, no.

这不算跑亭

This doesn't count as running a stall.

因为就是我说的

Because it's what I said.

意思就是其实

What it means is actually

就从

Just from

眼睛从上上开始

The eyes start from above.

第三方的改善

Third-party improvement

真正有效果的

Truly effective.

是在3DS

It is on 3DS.

也体现出来了

It is also reflected.

对

Yes.

就是我看

It's just that I see.

我讲顺着说

I'll speak along the lines.

就是说

That is to say.

它其实大致

It is actually roughly.

这个事

This matter.

咱可能从硬件上觉得

We might feel it from the hardware perspective.

这有点

This is a bit.

外人品吧

Let's judge the outsider's character.

但是它后来

But it later...

大家可能逐渐

Everyone may gradually

逐渐适应了

Gradually adapted.

这个情况

This situation.

就是因为它和第三方的

It is precisely because it involves third parties.

这个关系改善之后

After this relationship improves

在3DS上

On the 3DS.

逐渐出了

Gradually came out.

各种各种

All kinds of things.

比较强力的

comparatively strong

第三方游戏

Third-party games

包括像把

Including things like...

卡普空

Capcom

就是说服卡普空

That means to persuade Capcom.

把怪物猎人

Monster Hunter

都从索尼那边

All from Sony.

拉到了这个

Pulled this.

3DS上了

It’s on the 3DS.

卡普空

Capcom

怪物猎人

Monster Hunter

这个其实是

This is actually.

就是在

It's just that

先说情况

First, let me explain the situation.

情况就是

The situation is that

在同时

At the same time

它降价1万日元的同时

It drops in price by 10,000 yen at the same time.

这个时候公布了

It was announced at this time.

怪物猎人3G

Monster Hunter 3G

和怪物猎人4

And Monster Hunter 4

那么其实大家

So actually everyone

从我心里来讲的话

Words that come from my heart.

这事就已经

This matter is already...

就大使

Just the ambassador.

大使机

Ambassador aircraft

这事就过去了

This matter is over.

因为我没有工夫

Because I don't have time.

在管这个降价

Managing this price reduction.

我把全身心的

I devote all my heart and soul.

都在等待

Everyone is waiting.

这个3G和4上了

This is on 3G and 4.

对

Correct.

就是因为它强大的

It is precisely because of its power.

这个第三方支持

This third-party support.

就是怪物猎人

It's just Monster Hunter.

这个其实是一个契机

This is actually an opportunity.

因为什么呢

Why is that?

卡普空最开始

Capcom originally

怪物猎人是想

Monster Hunter is intended to...

放到NDS上的

Put on the NDS.

但是无奈

But unfortunately.

NDS这个机能

The functionality of NDS.

实在是太低了

It's really too low.

所以它就只能去

So it can only go.

它也是无心插柳

It is also an unintentional outcome.

但是它没想到

But it didn't expect that.

怪物猎人会那么火

Monster Hunter is that popular.

那个MHP

That MHP

会那么火

Will be that popular.

对

Correct.

所以就是说

So what you're saying is

就是PSP

It's just the PSP.

就是实际上续命

It's actually extending life.

为什么续命

Why prolong life?

就是说

That is to say.

当时已经

At that time, it was already...

基本上见不到

Basically, it's hard to see.

什么重头戏了

What is the main event?

然后怪物猎人P出现了

Then Monster Hunter P appeared.

一下把PSP

一下把PSP - "Quickly take the PSP."

在日本救活了

Revived in Japan.

所以说

So, that's what I'm saying.

就是说

That is to say.

这么一个

Such a one.

非常有受众的游戏

A game with a very large audience.

到了3DS出来之后

After the 3DS was released

它转移阵营

It shifts camps.

到了任金塔这边来

Arriving at Renjinta's side.

就是玩家就可能

It is just that players might.

老的这些猎人玩家

These old hunter players.

就有点接受不了

Just can't accept it a bit.

但就是

But it's just that

就是因为这一点

It's precisely because of this.

PSV可能就

PSV might just be

就因为这一点

Just because of this.

就被干掉

Just got taken out.

其实这个在当时

In fact, at that time...

怪物猎人3

Monster Hunter 3

就正经正统的3

Just the proper and orthodox three.

3在V上

3 on V

3在V上出

3 appears on V

就已经

Already

就是

It is.

有这些猫头

There are these owl heads.

有这些猫头了

There are these cats.

对

Correct.

其实那个

Actually, that...

怪物猎人3G

Monster Hunter 3G

还不是卡普空

It's still not Capcom.

给3DS

Give to 3DS.

做的第一个游戏吧

Let's make the first game.

它第一个是

It is the first one.

生化危机

Resident Evil

启示录

Revelation

当时就是说

At that time, it was said...

可以说是卡普空

You could say it's Capcom.

就这一个游戏

Just this one game.

就是把3DS的机能

It's just the functionality of the 3DS.

已经挖干了

Already dug dry.

对

Correct.

它一个启示录

It is a revelation.

一个拥兵

A military leader.

拥兵先出来

The troops should come out first.

对

Correct.

然后启示录

Then the Revelation.

马上跟上

Catch up quickly.

它用的是

It is using.

MT的移动引擎

MT's mobile engine

对

Yes.

MT Framework

MT Framework

还是那个引擎的

It's still that engine.

这个修改

This modification.

做了这个

Did this.

它是适应多平台

It is adaptable to multiple platforms.

对

Correct.

它就做了一下

It just did it once.

然后

Then

虽然说最后

Although in the end

它又跨平台了

It is cross-platform again.

但是当时

But at that time

刚出来的时候

When I just came out.

确实是惊艳了一把

It was indeed stunning.

对

Correct.

就是说原来3DS

That means originally 3DS.

可以实现这个效果

This effect can be achieved.

这个时候正在

At this time, it is正在.

反正我觉得3DS

Anyway, I think the 3DS.

好像正在

It seems to be happening.

忙磨祸祸的时候的吧

It must be when things are busy and chaotic.

就是

Just.

我还是想说

I still want to say.

咱引引这个

Let's pull this.

VU的话题

The topic of VU.

VU出现的时候

When VU appears

有没有卖关子

Is there any suspense?

它卖了

It sold.

它当时

At that time.

Project K

Project K

VU其实说

VU actually said

它失败一点也

It fails a little bit too.

就是因为

It's precisely because.

它卖了这个关子

It sold this mystery.

就是什么

It's just what.

就是它那个手柄

It's that handle of it.

它那个派的

It's that kind of style.

可以这么

It can be like this.

它当时那年

That year.

是哪一年

What year is it?

是13年吧

It's 2013, right?

还是12年

Still 12 years.

它刚出来的时候

When it just came out.

它是12年发售

It was released in 2012.

然后在11年的时候

Then in the year 2011

11年的那个发布会

The press conference from 2011.

它一直在说

It keeps saying.

那个手柄的事

The matter of that handle.

对

Yes.

至今我认为

To this day, I believe.

就是VU最失败的

It is the most failed VU.

就是它那次发布会

It's that press conference of theirs.

它把所有的重心

It shifts all the focus.

都在

All here.

放在了它这个手柄上

Placed on its handle.

导致

lead to

很多这个

A lot of this.

原来这个V的玩家

It turns out this V player.

就认为这是一个外设

Just think of it as a peripheral.

对

Yes.

不是一个升级版

It's not an upgraded version.

不是一个新的机器

Not a new machine.

包括当时我们这些

Including us at that time.

看现场发布会的人

People watching the live press conference.

都在纳闷

Everyone is puzzled.

当时我和熊

At that time, I was with the bear.

我录了那年

I recorded that year.

一三那个

One three that.

集合那年的专题

Collection of special topics from that year.

当时我跟熊也在讨论

At that time, I was also discussing with Xiong.

说这个东西到底是什么

Say what this thing really is.

他当时完事之后

After he finished at that time.

他给我发QQ

He sent me a QQ message.

他第一句话就是

His first sentence was

你看明白

Do you understand?

这是怎么回事了

What is going on here?

我说这是一个

I said this is a

手柄吗

Handle?

他说不是

He said no.

那是是个主机

That is a mainframe.

让他给我发了一张图

He sent me a picture.

就是那个现场发布会的

It's the on-site press conference.

一张图

A picture.

大

Big

最大的内容是

The main content is

电视前面是一个手

In front of the television is a hand.

拿着那个派的

Holding that pie.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

在电视边上

Next to the television.

很小的一个地方

A very small place.

放一台主机

Set up a host machine.

那个时候那个照片

That photo back then.

爆出来就是

It's just blown out.

在那旁边是有

Next to that is。有

有个主机

There is a host.

是有一个主机的

There is a host.

主机是完全就没有提到

The host is completely not mentioned.

他完全不提

He doesn't mention it at all.

对

Yes.

他只是当时

He was just at that moment.

就是说在这个采访

That is to say, in this interview.

包括那个

Including that.

那时候李德摩已经去EA了

At that time, Li Demos had already gone to EA.

就是这一些

It's just these.

业界的这个制作人

This producer in the industry.

也好

Okay.

这些

These

这些各公司的

These are from various companies.

这个头

This head.

这个领头人

This leader.

谈论这个新机器

Talk about this new machine.

那时候他们才说

At that time, they only said.

这是一个新的机器

This is a new machine.

哎

Sigh.

又是一种新的挑战了

It's another new challenge.

这个时候才意识到

Only then did I realize.

而又一样特到那会儿

And it was the same at that time.

黑色的V刚发售

The black V has just been released.

黑色的V

Black V

那时候还没有

Not at that time.

还没有的是吧

Still not there, right?

还没有

Not yet.

全是白的

All white.

他就是

He is.

主要他展现一个玩法

Mainly, he shows a way to play.

一个派的

A faction.

而这个派的

And this faction's

为什么他要做一个派的

Why does he want to make a pie?

就是因为苹果

It's all because of the apple.

对他对严谦聪的影响

The influence of his relationship with Yan Qiansong.

非常大

Very big.

就是认为

Just think that.

严谦聪认为

Yan Qiancong believes that

就是说

That is to say.

当时的年轻人

The young people at that time.

玩平板

Play with a tablet.

他们很习惯于

They are very accustomed to.

用平板来玩游戏

Play games on a tablet.

那么我们的新产品

So our new product

要适应年轻人的

To adapt to young people.

这种潮流

This trend

我们也推出一个

We also launched one.

类似于平板的

Similar to a tablet.

这样的一个控制器

Such a controller

让玩家能够

Allow players to

轻松的过渡

Easy transition

这个操作方式

This operating method.

他们不会产生一种

They will not generate a kind of

陌生感

Strangeness

因为什么呢

Why is that?

毕竟传统游戏

After all, traditional games.

玩家对手柄

Player's controller

这个操作要求非常高

This operation requires very high standards.

十几个按键

More than a dozen buttons.

那个越来越复杂的操作

That increasingly complicated operation.

双腰杆什么也好

Double waist rods are good for anything.

那么就是说

So that means.

平板是一种

A tablet is a type of

非常简单的操作方式

Very simple operation method.

它就是为了

It is meant to.

加这么一个东西

Add such a thing.

导致大家对它

Causing everyone to have a negative impression of it.

这个新机器的

This new machine's

这个印象非常的淡

This impression is very faint.

而且还有一点就是

And there's one more thing that...

他过多的提到

He mentioned too much.

那个平板

That tablet.

也使得

also makes it

之后的一段时间内

In the period that followed.

包括它发售之后

Including after it is released.

大家都在集中

Everyone is focusing.

在这个平板

On this tablet.

这个问题上

On this issue.

去讨论

Go discuss.

未有存在的价值

The value of non-existence.

对

Correct.

所以就是说

So what you're saying is

他的这个平板

His tablet.

包括他这个

Including him.

未有发售之后

After the sale has not yet begun.

就是过了

It has passed.

好像说又过了一年

It seems to say another year has passed.

就已经卖了

It has already been sold.

一年

One year

一年就卖了一年

Sold for a year in just one year.

一年了之后

After a year.

美国的一个统计机构

A statistical agency in the United States.

调查

Investigation

说那个

Say that.

玩家对VU的这个认识

The player's understanding of VU.

还有很大部分人

There is still a large portion of people.

超过半数人认为

More than half of the people believe that

它只是一个外设

It’s just an accessory.

是V的外设

It is V's peripheral.

它不是一个新机器

It is not a new machine.

那这就说明

Then this shows that

VU在整体宣传上

VU in overall promotion

是失败的

It is a failure.

对

Yes.

包括它的名字

Including its name.

也用的是VU

It also uses VU.

你感觉上

You feel that way.

就是一个V的拓展

It's just an expansion of a V.

对

Correct.

而且到最后的话

And to conclude.

那你除了一个平板

Then what do you have besides a tablet?

外加四个V的手柄

Plus four V-shaped handles.

始终你没有摆脱

You have never escaped.

就是V的这个影响

It’s just the influence of V.

所以说

So, it is said.

对于任天堂来讲

For Nintendo,

说是出了一个新机器

It is said that a new machine has been released.

其实就是一个V的延伸

It's actually just an extension of a V.

根本就没有一个新机器

There isn't a new machine at all.

但我想提到一点

But I want to mention one thing.

就是你说

It's just what you said.

就是在这个点上

It is at this point.

是不是算

Is it considered?

严天聪和他的这些

Yan Tiancong and his companions.

他带领任天堂这个阶段

He led Nintendo during this phase.

是一个

It is one.

算一个失败的案例呢

It's considered a failed case.

我觉得是什么

I think it is.

任天堂还是想抢占

Nintendo still wants to seize the opportunity.

这个年轻人的市场

The market for young people.

因为什么

Why?

任天堂的核心用户群

Nintendo's core user base

一直是12岁

Always 12 years old.

这个左右

This is about right.

儿童

Children

青少年

Adolescents

为什么呢

Why is that?

青少年才是未来的支柱

Teenagers are the pillars of the future.

这是任天堂

This is Nintendo.

就拓展用户群

To expand the user base.

一直是他的这个

It has always been his.

核心的用户群

Core user group

一直是这个年轻人

It has always been this young man.

只有说年轻人来玩我的游戏

Only young people are invited to play my game.

那么以后等他们长大了

Then when they grow up in the future

他们才能接着玩我的游戏

Only then can they continue playing my game.

就哪怕说这批玩家流失了

Even if we say this batch of players has dropped off.

去玩索尼

Go play with Sony.

去玩白斯奥斯了

Went to play with Bais Aos.

但他们仍然是主机玩家

But they are still console players.

他们不会像现在的年轻人

They won't be like today's young people.

从小接触苹果

Growing up with Apple.

接触手机

Contact with the phone.

平板

Tablet

他们一旦

Once they

形成了习惯之后

After developing a habit

让他们再转回主机来

Let them switch back to the host.

非常困难

Very difficult.

这点是什么

What is this point?

就是说

That is to say.

有一些核心玩家

There are some core players.

不认同这个看法

I do not agree with this viewpoint.

认为主机游戏

Consider console gaming

非常高端

Very high-end.

画面非常好

The picture is very good.

肯定要远胜于平板

It will definitely far exceed a tablet.

但是我要在这说一眼

But I want to say a word here.

就是什么

It's just what.

PC游戏

PC games

相对于主机来说

Compared to the host.

它画面更好

It has a better picture.

但是为什么主机玩家

But why do console players?

现在就是说

Now, let me say.

看PC

Look at the PC.

觉得那么贵

Feels so expensive.

又要安装很多东西

Need to install a lot of things again.

很复杂

Very complicated

他们不习惯

They are not used to it.

同理

Similarly

手机玩家和平板玩家

Mobile gamers and tablet gamers.

看主机玩家也是这样

It’s the same for console players.

他们过不来

They can't come over.

习惯已经养成了

The habit has been formed.

他们再改是改不了的

They can't change it any more.

而且我刚刚跟洛克

And I just spoke with Locke.

在来之前

Before coming here.

其实也聊到

Actually, we also talked about.

手机毕竟是一个

After all, a mobile phone is a...

现在可以说是一个必需品

It can now be said to be a necessity.

这个是没法代替的一个东西

This is something that cannot be replaced.

而且年轻人

Moreover, young people.

就刚才也提到

It was just mentioned.

年轻人对新鲜事物的

Young people are open to new things.

那种追求

That kind of pursuit.

更使得老人

Even more so for the elderly.

其实不得不走的这步棋

In fact, this move is one that cannot be avoided.

就是这种派的话

It's this kind of faction.

然后为派的话

Then for the sake of the party.

对

Yes.

还是为了争夺年轻人

Still in order to compete for young people.

而且就是超

And it's just super.

就是现在刚才咱刚才说的是

What we just talked about is now.

游戏业内的去争夺

Competition within the gaming industry.

你抛出这个这么大的一个

You threw out such a big one.

就是整个像这个

It's just like this overall.

整个业界

The entire industry

就是就是这个这些

That's exactly it.

这些所有的机器

All these machines.

这些就网络时代吧

This is the internet age.

你咱想想

Let's think about it.

就刚才聊的事

Just now about the thing we talked about.

是一一年到一二年的过渡

It is a transition from one year to the next.

以咱们中国为例

Taking China as an example.

一一年到一二年到一三年

From 2011 to 2012 to 2013.

就是迅速的整个这个网络

It's the entire network that is rapidly changing.

就是电视游戏市场

It's the television game market.

被网络游戏打卖了

Sold out by online games.

像我说北京这边

Like I said about Beijing here.

天津这边都是

This side of Tianjin is all...

就是

That's it.

郭东大街黄了多少家游戏店

How many game stores have closed on Guo Dong Street?

然后我们天津市

Then our Tianjin City

整个一条街的那个

The entire street that one.

新安路一条街都没有了

There is not a single street left on Xin'an Road.

在这个时候

At this time.

就是被网络游戏打败了

It is defeated by online games.

可是现在现在一五年了

But now it's been five years.

咱现在再往前

Let's move forward now.

再往前看的话

If you look further ahead

网络游戏两年之后又怎么样

What about online games two years later?

迅速就被手游打败了

Quickly defeated by mobile games.

如果在那个时代

If in that era

这就是在那个风云

This is in that stormy situation.

那个那种风云变化

That kind of changing winds and clouds.

这么快的一个时代

Such a fast-paced era.

说实话

To be honest.

你让阎天聪很难能够决策出

You make it very difficult for Yan Tiancong to make a decision.

未来几年的走向

Trends in the coming years.

我觉得也很太难了

I think it's very difficult too.

你咱们要求就是

What we request is just...

把阎天聪要求的太高了

The expectations for Yan Tiancong are too high.

如果他带领人间堂

If he leads the human hall.

在那个时代

In that era.

做出一个绝对绝对正确的决策

Make an absolutely correct decision.

我觉得也是只能

I think that's all we can do.

只能说就是太不容易了

I can only say it has been really tough.

确实是

Indeed it is.

而且在就是这个时期

Moreover, it is during this period.

其实从PSR时期

In fact, since the PSR period

咱往前再到PSR时期之后

Let's go forward to the period after PSR.

其实日本已经不是在主导

In fact, Japan is no longer in the lead.

尤其是硬件软件都不是主导了

Especially since neither hardware nor software is dominant anymore.

对

Correct.

他现在其实已经变成一个

He has actually become一个.

美国式的一个主导

A dominant style of America.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

这些东西的一个时代了

These things belong to an era.

那其实在这这个阶段

Actually, at this stage.

其实在这个阶段

Actually, at this stage.

确实是对阎天堂一个挑战

It is indeed a challenge to Yan Tiantang.

是

Yes

就给他一年时间

Just give him a year.

就让他去决策

Just let him make the decision.

可能未来十几年的

Possibly in the next few decades.

这种商业走向太难了

This business direction is too difficult.

没错

That's right.

阎天堂现在有一个弊端

Yantian has a drawback now.

就是什么呢

What is it?

他的硬件

His hardware.

只是说

Just saying.

虽然说硬件是为软件服务的

Although it is said that hardware serves software.

但是阎天堂有一个最大弊端

However, Yama's realm has one major drawback.

就是他的硬件

It's just his hardware.

只为他自己的软件服务

Only for his own software service.

你看这个PS4和X1

Look at this PS4 and X1.

他们虽然说这是拼性能

Although they say this is a competition of performance.

但实际上是什么

But in reality, what is it?

他们满足了第三方

They satisfied the third party.

对于

For

软件开发的硬件需求

Hardware requirements for software development

他们需要大的内存

They need large memory.

需要好的显卡

Need a good graphics card.

需要好的优秀的这种

Need good and outstanding ones.

容易开发的软件环境

Easily developed software environment

那么PS4和X1

So, the PS4 and X1.

其实是给第三方提供了这么一个平台

In fact, it has provided such a platform for third parties.

但是VU没有

But VU does not have it.

VU他虽然说

Although he said

我们注重于游戏性

We focus on gameplay.

但真正说

But to say it truly

需要能够体现游戏性

Needs to reflect gameplay.

只有人家自己

Only the person themselves.

第三方

Third party

一个是他硬件卖的不好

One reason is that his hardware is not selling well.

觉得回不来一本

Feels like it won't come back.

另外一个

Another one.

就是说

That is to say.

他架构和PS4和X1完全不一样

Its architecture is completely different from the PS4 and X1.

需要

Need

如果说第三方要给他做游戏

If a third party is going to make a game for him.

需要再换一套开发环境

Need to change to another set of development environment.

重新做优化

Re-do the optimization.

得不偿失

Not worth the gain.

所以就是现在在看NX

So I'm currently looking at NX.

如果说人家能够吸取教训

If it can be said that they can learn from their lessons.

他必须要提供一个

He must provide one.

就是说能够赶上

That means being able to catch up.

就是说不说超越吧

It means to say or not to say about transcending.

至少能够赶上PS4和X1的这种

At least it can catch up to the PS4 and X1.

这个硬件的这个级别

The level of this hardware.

但是就是虽然是老任

But even though it's the old man.

咱们也可能稍微有带点

We might also have a little bit of it.

批判的性质了

The nature of criticism.

但是这是事实的情况

But this is the factual situation.

但我觉得在这个阶段

But I think at this stage

他人才虽然是在硬件上面

Although the talent is on the hardware side.

有些失利

Some setbacks.

但他的转件其实还是给

But his transfer documents are actually still given.

就像咱们作为玩家

Just like us as players.

带来很多快乐的事

Brings a lot of joy.

我觉得

I think.

包括像当时咱们就是

Including like we were at that time.

VSport的那些

Those of VSport.

VParty这些就不说了

Let's not talk about VParty.

包括马银的出现

Including the appearance of Ma Yin.

包括就是

Including just

我觉得大家可以聊聊这些

I think everyone can talk about these.

还是能够一些欢乐的记忆

Still able to have some joyful memories.

实话实说

To speak honestly.

刚才我们在冷静的分析了

Just now we analyzed calmly.

分析任天堂的业绩

Analyze Nintendo's performance.

或者他的整个

Or his entire.

那个硬件的情况之下

Under that hardware situation.

这个硬件

This hardware.

我们一点也不能

We can't at all.

就是否认的是

It is denial.

好玩的游戏

Fun games

任天堂每年从来都没少过

Nintendo has never had less every year.

一个都没少过

Not a single one has been missed.

我身边从来没有离开过

I have never left my side.

任何的任天堂的好游戏

Any good Nintendo games.

没错

That's right.

都忙无不过

Busy with everything and nothing.

对

Yes.

大家可以说说

Everyone can speak up.

就当时那些

Just like those at that time.

欢乐的记忆

Joyful memories

我从NDS开始

I started from NDS.

就是说NDS

That is NDS.

我觉得这个平台

I think this platform

是在那段时间

It was during that time.

创造了出了大量的

Created a large number of.

让大家眼前一亮的游戏玩法的

A gameplay that impresses everyone at first glance.

就是记忆深刻的

It is deeply memorable.

比如说

For example

应援团

Support group

比如说当时那一座的

For example, at that time, that one.

那个塞尔达

That Zelda

那个幻影沙漏

That phantom hourglass.

当时有一个

At that time, there was one.

有一个解谜的要素

There is an element of puzzle-solving.

让我记忧心

Let me remember the worries.

就是

It is.

他说地图上有一个标志

He said there is a sign on the map.

我们要把它标上来

We need to label it.

怎么办

What to do?

把机器合上

Close the machine.

对

Yes.

扣盖这事

About the lid.

扣上之后

After fastening it.

在下屏幕的那个标志

The logo at the bottom of the screen.

就翻到上屏幕上

Just turn it to the screen above.

然后就在地图上显示了

Then it was displayed on the map.

这个当时我

At that time, I...

我就惊了

I was stunned.

你知道吧

Do you know?

他怎么想到的

How did he come up with that?

是

Yes.

他就是把这个

He just takes this.

还有一个叫

There is also one called

这个

This

双重记忆

Dual Memory

一色代码了

One color code has been set.

那个游戏

That game.

是一个解密游戏

It is a decryption game.

当然有一个

Of course there is one.

就是说

That is to say

显示这个密码的方式

The way to display this password.

是什么呢

What is it?

把这个上盖和下屏幕

Put this upper cover and lower screen.

对应一个角度

Corresponding to an angle.

然后反光

Then reflect.

上下两个图

Two images above and below.

靠反光

Rely on reflection.

能够显示出

able to show

那个密码来

Where is that password?

这个当时就是说

At that time, it was just saying.

完全以前

Completely in the past.

无法想象到的

Inconceivable.

这个

This

操这个游戏方式

Screw this way of playing the game.

包括后来世嘉出的

Including the later release from Sega.

那个愿为你而生

That one who would live for you.

愿为你而死

Willing to die for you.

愿为你而生

I wish to live for you.

愿为你而死

Willing to die for you.

对

Correct.

这都是体现

This all reflects.

这个

This

这个游戏玩法上

The gameplay of this game.

突破的

breakthrough

就是说你在

That is to say, you are there.

其他的平板上

On other tablets

你是根本不可能

You are simply impossible.

这么实现的

This is how it is achieved.

而真正把硬件的能力

And truly enhance the capabilities of the hardware.

发挥到极致

Bring it to the utmost.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

把硬件这个特点

The characteristic of hardware

特点特点

Characteristics Characteristics

特点发挥

Highlighting characteristics.

塞尔达的几个系列里边

In several series of Zelda.

就是在DS

It's just at DS.

DS上出了一系列的

A series of products has been released on DS.

比如说那个

For example, that one.

灵魂列车

Soul Train

还有那个

And that one too.

就是那个

It's that one.

海上的航海

Nautical activities on the sea.

叫什么来着

What was it called again?

就是他说的

That's what he said.

幻影沙漏

Phantom Hourglass

这两个

These two.

再有

Again.

我说一个

I'll say one.

就是吹气

It's just blowing air.

像麦克吹气这事

Like blowing air into Mike.

到现在

Until now

就是我眼前

Right in front of me.

现在埋着这个

Now buried this.

这个火纹的

This fire pattern.

这个白夜

This白夜.

黑夜里边

In the darkness of night.

也是依然

Still the same.

用到这个老传统

Use this old tradition.

就是吹气

It's just blowing air.

往里吹风

Blow the wind inside.

就是麦克这个事

It's about Mike.

他往里吹气这个事

He blew air into it.

像塞尔达就有吹火

Like Zelda, there is fire breathing.

我记得是

I remember it's

对

Correct.

然后在灵魂列车里边

Then in the soul train.

他是可以吹笛子

He can play the flute.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

就这些实在是

That's all there is to it.

太难想到了

It's too hard to think of.

然后可能

Then maybe

虽然有一点点

Although there is a little bit.

就是吹笛

It’s just playing the flute.

做的不是太精确

Not done very precisely.

反正这吹也是乐趣

Anyway, this bragging is also fun.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

然后有一些

Then there are some.

非常

Very much

有一些非常

There are some very

任天堂风格的

Nintendo style

那个游戏

That game.

就比如是

For example,

节奏天国

Rhythm Heaven

还有挖鸟执造

There is also bird digging and making.

这是宝家护航作品

This is a work by Baojia Huhang.

对

Yes.

这两个

These two.

感觉就是说

It feels like saying.

从DS

From DS

开始有出播的时候

When it first started broadcasting.

然后真是把这点

Then this really makes this point.

小游戏做到

Small games done.

就做出了

Just made it.

任天堂的那种风格

Nintendo's style.

就是那种

It's that kind of.

以那种

In that way

怎么说呢

How to put it?

就是说

That is to say.

我现在想不出

I can't think of it right now.

你先说

You speak first.

还有一个就是

There is also one more thing.

黄昏旅馆

Twilight Inn

你这说的

What you said.

好小众

Very niche.

就

just

都是NDS那些

It's all about NDS.

都是NDS

It's all NDS.

是一个

It is one.

就是类似于

It's similar to.

这个推理小说的

This detective novel's

一个游戏

A game

它也是一个

It is also a.

就是侦探类的游戏

It's a detective-type game.

黄昏旅馆

Twilight Inn

它是竖屏操作

It operates in vertical mode.

而且

Moreover

NDS当时就是说

NDS said at that time

还有一个太古达人

There is also a Taikoo expert.

他把下屏当成鼓

He uses the lower screen as a drum.

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

而且那个游戏

And that game

它最开始的时候

It was at the very beginning.

那版

That version.

它是附赠了两根笔

It comes with two pens as a gift.

让你能够模拟

Allow you to simulate.

那个敲鼓的

The one who is playing the drums.

动根枪的

Moving root gun

还有一个就是到现在

The other one is until now.

都是很多宅男

There are many otaku.

那个就喜爱的

That is what I love.

那个

That one

老plus

Old plus

对对对

Yes, yes, yes.

这都是

This is all.

都很难以想象

It's hard to imagine.

真正与女主角

The real female protagonist.

互动情

Interactive feelings

对对对

Exactly, exactly!

结婚

Marriage

当时

At that time

日本产生了一系列的

Japan has produced a series of

这个震惊的消息

This shocking news.

跟那个

With that.

跟NDS里边

In the NDS.

举重结婚

Weightlifting marriage

这些都是

These are all.

就是

Just.

真是大大的

Really big.

为NDS做了一种

Made a type for NDS.

足足的广告

A full-blown advertisement

包括我来罗列一些

Including me, let me list a few.

最简单的

The simplest.

就是罗列一些

Just listing some.

大作的名字

The name of the masterpiece.

比如说到现在

For example, up to now.

非常火的这个

This is very popular.

逆转裁判的这些东西

Things from Ace Attorney.

它其实最大的发扬

Its greatest promotion, in fact.

都是在NDS上

They are all on the NDS.

包括像

Including like

我最爱的

My favorite

恶魔城系列

Castlevania series

它的几个

Its several.

就是几个强大作品

Just a few powerful works.

都是在

It's all about.

任天堂的

Nintendo's

一系列的掌机上

On a series of handheld gaming consoles.

这种特别好的

This is especially good.

实现了这种效果

Achieved this effect.

而且

And also

包括像

Including like

Live 5这个公司

The company Live 5.

它的成名的

It became famous.

几个

a few

大的作品

A great work

就是雷顿教授

It's Professor Layton.

和三点十一人

And three eleven people.

对

Yes.

而且在雷顿上

And on Leighton.

一系列的解谜的

A series of puzzles.

这些整个操作

These entire operations.

都和NDS

All about NDS

这种比控

This kind of comparison.

这个分不开的

This cannot be separated.

对

Yes.

而且我觉得

And I think that...

还想提到一点

I would like to mention one more thing.

就是

That is/just.

其实我觉得

Actually, I think...

任天堂真正是把

Nintendo really is把

触摸游戏

Touch game

真正是定义下来的

It is truly defined.

你看现在的

Look at now.

说实话

To be honest.

现在的

Now

手

Hand

游游戏

Play games.

基本

Basic

都能从NDS上

All can be accessed from NDS.

找到相应的影子

Find the corresponding shadow.