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接下来您将收听到资讯朋友圈

Next, you will listen to the information circle.

北京时间的11点04分

11:04 Beijing time

欢迎大家继续来收听

Welcome everyone to continue listening.

环球资讯广播正在为您直播的资讯朋友圈

The Global Information Broadcasting is live streaming the information circle for you.

我是朱红

I am Zhu Hong.

每个工作日的11点在这里与各位相会

Meet here with everyone every weekday at 11 o'clock.

我们一起来关注饮食文化

Let's pay attention to food culture together.

以及周五的美食专场

And the food special on Friday.

微信公众号环球资讯

WeChat Official Account: Global Information

2019年的暑期档即将过半

The summer blockbuster season of 2019 is about to reach its halfway point.

市场终于迎来了一个爆款的黑马

The market has finally welcomed a blockbuster dark horse.

只是可能谁也没想到

It's just that maybe no one expected it.

今年夏天最炸裂的电影

The most explosive movie this summer.

居然是一部动画电影

It turns out to be an animated movie.

《哪吒之魔童将士》

"Nezha: The Devil Child Warrior"

今天我们就带着大家一起来看看

Today we will take everyone to have a look.

这部国产动画电影

This domestic animated film.

凭什么会这么火

Why is it so popular?

下面我们就来听一下

Now let's listen to it.

独立影评人小爱

Independent film critic Xiao Ai

对这部电影的一个点评

A review of this movie.

今天我们要聊的这部影片

Today we are going to talk about this film.

《哪吒之魔童将士》

"Nazha: The Devil's Child"

是一部现象

It is a phenomenon.

上映短短的几天之内

Within just a few days of its release

就已经取得了口碑和票房

It has already achieved acclaim and box office success.

双双炸裂的好成绩

Excellent results that burst forth in pairs.

在上映的第五天

On the fifth day of release.

票房就已经突破了十亿

The box office has already surpassed one billion.

创下了中国动画电影之最

Set the highest record for Chinese animated films.

我在看完这个影片之后

After watching this video, I...

就迫不及待的发了一个朋友圈

I couldn't wait to post on Moments.

我说哪吒魔童将士非常的好看

I said that the movie "Naraka: Battle of Destiny" is very good-looking.

我预测他的票房最终能够突破三十亿

I predict that his box office will ultimately exceed three billion.

当时就很多的朋友

At that time, there were many friends.

觉得我疯了

Think I'm crazy.

就质疑我这样的一个预测

Just questioning a prediction like mine.

怎么可能一部动画片

How is it possible for an animated film?

能够上三十亿的票房

Able to reach a box office of three billion.

其实说实话

To be honest,

我现在觉得他能够上三十五亿

I now think he can reach three billion five hundred million.

那么为什么我个人会

So why would I personally...

对这部影片这么有信心呢

Why are you so confident about this film?

我想是基于以下的几个方面

I think it is based on the following aspects.

第一是他的人物

The first is his character.

第二是他的世界观和主题

The second is his worldview and theme.

第三是这部影片的叙事

The third is the narrative of this film.

所以接下来我想从以上三个方面

So next I want to discuss from the above three aspects.

和大家分享一下

Let me share with everyone.

为什么我是这么喜欢这部电影

Why do I like this movie so much?

整体而言呢

Overall,

我觉得这一版的哪吒

I think this version of Ne Zha

他已经跳出了中国传统文化的范畴

He has already jumped out of the scope of traditional Chinese culture.

不仅仅是局限在我们中国人

It is not limited to just us Chinese.

自己的这个小圈子里面

In one's own little circle.

我想这部影片无论是在国内上映

I think this film will be released in the country.

还是到全世界任何一个国家去发行

Or to issue it in any country in the world.

我们是无需对外国观众去做任何的注解解释的

We do not need to provide any explanations or annotations for foreign audiences.

因为这个影片

Because of this film

他所塑造的人物

The characters he has created.

他所讲述的故事

The story he told.

他所传达的世界观

The worldview he conveys.

都是具有了普世价值的

They all have universal value.

那我想这部影片的作者

Then I think the author of this film

也就是他的编剧和导演饺子

That is to say, his screenwriter and director is Jiaozi.

一定是一个非常聪明的人

He must be a very smart person.

他是选用了好莱坞非常标准的

He chose something very standard from Hollywood.

也是非常精致的商业类型电影的拍摄方式和技巧

It is also a very exquisite filming style and technique of commercial-type films.

来讲述一个属于中国人自己的神话故事

To tell a mythological story that belongs to the Chinese people.

所以一方面呢

So on one hand,

是已经在西方在好莱坞被无数次证明了

It has already been proven countless times in the West, in Hollywood.

是行之有效的一些拍摄的方式

It is some effective ways of shooting.

叙事的方式

Narrative style

用这样的一些技巧呢

Using such techniques

来完成电影的制作

To complete the production of the movie.

但是同时呢

But at the same time,

深入到内容层面呢

Delve into the content level.

他又是把他的心

He is putting his heart again.

根植在我们自己的这一块文化土壤上

Rooted in our own cultural soil.

他讲述的是一个我们每一个人都耳熟能详的一个传统的神话故事

He recounts a traditional mythological story that each one of us is very familiar with.

而在这样的一个情况之下呢

In such a situation,

从技巧上

From a technical standpoint

他是与时俱进的

He keeps pace with the times.

他也是具备了国际流通性的

He also possesses international circulation ability.

那么从内容上呢

Then what about the content?

他又能够去引发所有国内观众的共鸣与共情

He is able to evoke resonance and empathy from all domestic audiences.

所以这部影片呢

So this film...

你说他拍不好其实也挺不容易的

It's actually not easy for you to say that he can't take good photos.

说命运不公

Saying that fate is unfair.

就和他斗到底

Fight him to the end.

来自电影《哪吒之魔童将士》

From the movie "Ne Zha".

这部电影在5天之内突破了10亿

This movie surpassed 1 billion within 5 days.

也是打破了创造了中国动画电影的一个全新的记录

It also set a brand new record for creating Chinese animated films.

新的纪录

New record

那么为什么

So why?

业内对这部电影充满了自信

The industry is full of confidence in this movie.

如何看这部影片的人物设定跟叙事

How to view the character setting and narrative of this film?

影片凭什么能够在几天之内

What can a movie achieve in just a few days?

能够这么火

Can be so popular.

能够得到票房跟口碑的双丰收

To achieve both box office success and good reviews.

那么这些具体的问题

So, these specific questions

接下来就来由我们的独立影评人小爱

Next, let's hear from our independent film critic, Xiao Ai.

给大家做一个详细的分析跟解读

Provide everyone with a detailed analysis and interpretation.

这一版的哪吒

This version of Nezha.

之所以在短短的几天之内

The reason why, in just a few days

就能够取得票房和口碑的双丰收

It can achieve both box office success and good word-of-mouth.

我想最大的理由

I want the biggest reason.

是得益于影片中

It is thanks to the film.

对于人物设定的突破与改编

Breakthrough and adaptation of character settings.

我们在小说中看到的人物

The characters we see in the novel.

其实他更多的是一些

In fact, he is more of a...

比较单一性格的

Relatively single personality.

比较脸谱化的人物

Characters with exaggerated traits.

可是在这部影片当中

But in this film

所有的人物

All characters

他都被加之以内心伤痕

He has been added with inner scars.

所有的人物

All characters

都会面临人生中的困境

Everyone will face difficulties in life.

并且人物不再是以好人和坏人

Moreover, characters are no longer defined as good or bad.

这么简单的去区分了

It's that simple to differentiate.

比如说我们在看《深宫豹》的时候

For example, when we watch "The Leopard in the Palace."

你会发现在那样的一场戏中

You will find that in such a scene.

他特别哀怨的

He is particularly resentful.

也特别委屈的

It's also particularly unfair.

对着戴萤幕

Facing the screen

对着观众说

Speak to the audience.

我苦苦修炼了这么多年

I have struggled to practice for so many years.

但是因为我是豹子变的

But because I transformed into a leopard.

所以我的师父还是不能接纳我

So my master still cannot accept me.

那么在那一刻

So at that moment.

你就会突然对眼前的大反派

You will suddenly find yourself facing the big villain in front of you.

对这样的一个人物

Regarding such a character

甚至产生同情

Even generate sympathy.

原来他在那一刻

It turns out he was at that moment.

他是有前世的

He has a past life.

他为什么会现在变成这个样子

Why has he turned into this now?

是因为他被歧视了

It is because he was discriminated against.

对吧

Right?

他的出身不好

His background is not good.

他是豹子精

He is a leopard spirit.

所以无论他怎么努力去修炼

So no matter how hard he tries to cultivate.

在仙界

In the fairy world.

他都不能被承认

He cannot be acknowledged.

被接受

Accepted

其实这样的一些设定

In fact, some of these settings

会使得原本一个比较单一的

Will make an originally more singular one.

比较脸谱化的一个大反派

A rather stereotypical big villain.

能够变得更加的鲜活

Can become more vibrant.

而观众在看电影的时候

While the audience is watching the movie

也会对这样的一个形象

It will also have such an image.

这样的一个人物

Such a character.

投以更多的个人的情感

Invest more personal emotions.

同理

Likewise.

另外的一个反派

Another villain.

龙王家族也是一样的

The Dragon King family is the same.

我们先说龙王

Let's talk about the Dragon King first.

龙王其实他内心

The Dragon King actually has feelings inside.

也是非常想修仙得道的

Also very eager to cultivate and attain immortality.

所以他一直是为了天庭去效力

So he has always been serving the Heavenly Court.

可是因为他是妖

But because he is a demon.

因为他的出身并不是仙

Because his background is not immortal.

所以他最终还是被天庭

So in the end, he was still taken by the Heavenly Court.

以另外一种方式

In another way.

囚禁在了深海的深处

Imprisoned in the depths of the deep sea.

所以我们在电影当中

So we are in the movie.

看到龙王初次出场的

Seeing the Dragon King's first appearance.

这个场景设定

This scene setting.

我们在画面上看起来

We look like this in the picture.

是一种暗黑的

It is a kind of darkness.

哥特式的这种风格

Gothic style.

似乎是和普罗米修斯

It seems to be related to Prometheus.

有一点相似

A little similar.

那么这个龙王

So this Dragon King

其实他也是被歧视的一方

In fact, he is also one of the discriminated.

对吧

Right?

他和这个深宫帽

He and this deep palace hat.

在这一点上是非常相似的

It is very similar at this point.

其实他们都想去做一个

In fact, they all want to do one.

更好的更优质的人

Better and higher-quality people.

但是没办法

But there's no way.

因为出身不好

Because of a bad background.

所以他们都想去做一个

So they all want to do one.

他们始终还是

They always are.

不能够进入到仙界

Cannot enter the fairy world.

不能够获得原本

Cannot obtain the original.

可以属于他们的一个席位

A seat that can belong to them.

那么敖丙

So Ao Bing.

敖丙是龙王的三太子

Ao Bing is the third prince of the Dragon King.

在原来的小说当中

In the original novel

他直接就被哪吒抽筋扒皮

He was directly skinned alive by Nezha.

做成了皮蛋

Made century egg.

之后就没有之后了

Then there was no later.

非常简单的一个人物

A very simple character.

其实在之前的电影当中

In fact, in previous movies

也不会太多的让人家去

It won't let people go too much either.

关注他本身

Focus on himself.

但是在这个影片当中

But in this film...

你会发现

You will find.

在这个人物身上

On this character.

作者对他

The author about him.

倾注了更多的人物的

Devoted more characters to.

复杂性和矛盾性

Complexity and contradiction.

一方面

On one hand

他想和哪吒做朋友

He wants to be friends with Nezha.

他们已经是心心相惜

They are already very close to each other.

成为了好朋友

Became good friends.

但是另外一方面

But on the other hand.

他的身上又肩负着

He is also shouldering.

整个龙庭家族的重担

The heavy burden of the entire Longting family.

他们等了上千年

They waited for a thousand years.

就是希望能够借这样的一个机会

I hope to take the opportunity like this.

去飞升成仙

Ascend to become an immortal.

所以在他的内心

So in his heart

深处呢

Where is the depth?

他有一个非常大的一个矛盾冲突

He has a very significant internal conflict.

他应该是怎么做呢

What should he do?

他是去按照自己的意志

He is going to act according to his own will.

去和哪吒做朋友吗

Do you want to be friends with Nezha?

还是说他应该去

Or should he go?

杀害所有的那些人类

Kill all those humans.

让所有的这些在深海处

Let all of this be in the deep sea.

被囚禁的龙王家族的这些家人们

These family members of the imprisoned Dragon King family.

得以生飞呢

To be able to thrive.

这样的一个矛盾设定呢

Such a contradictory setup.

这样的一个矛盾冲突呢

Such a contradictory conflict.

就使得观众呢

It makes the audience...

也会把个人的同情

Will also bring personal sympathy.

个人的喜好呢

Personal preferences?

倾注在这样的一个角色身上

Investing in such a role.

而且这个角色你会发现

Moreover, you will find that this character...

他虽然他是一个

Although he is a...

所谓的大反派的儿子

The so-called son of the great villain.

龙王的三太子

The Third Prince of the Dragon King

但是他的内心是非常善良的

But his heart is very kind.

他非常懂得感恩

He is very grateful.

当这个哪吒在海边救了他之后呢

After this Nezha saved him by the seaside, what happened next?

他告诉哪吒

He told Nezha.

我是一个心里非常分得清的人

I am someone who has a very clear understanding in my heart.

你救了我

You saved me.

你帮了我

You helped me.

所以我一定会感恩

So I will definitely be grateful.

我会回报你

I will repay you.

他的态度是这样的

His attitude is like this.

所以在这样的一种情况之下呢

So under such circumstances,

我们看哈

Let's take a look.

我们刚刚就是以这样的

We just did it like this.

两个反面的角色

Two opposing roles

我们来做一个例子

Let's do an example.

其实是想跟大家说什么呢

What I actually want to say to everyone is...

就是在新版的哪吒这部影片当中呢

It's just in the new version of the film Ne Zha.

人物他不再是单一的

The character is no longer singular.

连谱化的

Continuous scoring

他更多的是被加以了一个

He was more so given a.

人物性格的多重性

TheMultiplicity of Character Personality

我们从这些人物的身上呢

We can learn from these characters.

我们能够看到人性中的光辉的一面

We can see the shining side of human nature.

我们也能够同时看到黑暗的一面

We can also see the dark side at the same time.

而每一个人他最终

And each person ultimately

他为什么会是

Why would he be?

后来我们看到的那个样子呢

Later, what we saw was like that.

其实在影片中呢

Actually, in the film...

也都给你了足够的前世

I have also given you enough past lives.

他会告诉你

He will tell you.

他会暗示你

He will suggest it to you.

深宫豹

Deep Palace Leopard

他是因为被歧视

He was discriminated against.

他的出身不好

His background is not good.

所以他不能得以升仙

Therefore, he cannot achieve immortality.

龙王家族也是一样的

The Dragon King's family is the same.

他会给你这些这样的铺垫

He will give you such groundwork.

那么另外呢

Then what about the other aspect?

就是在人物的改编的这个部分呢

It is precisely in the part of character adaptation that...

我想最大的一个

I want the biggest one.

让我喜欢的地方呢

What I like about it is...

就是他把哪吒父母的这个形象呢

It is about how he portrays the image of Nezha's parents.

做了本人的形象呢

Created an image of myself.

在原著小说

In the original novel

在七九版的老的那一部动画片当中呢

In the old animation from the 1979 version,

其实我们看到的是一个

Actually, what we see is a...

哪吒去对抗家庭

Nezha goes to confront the family.

特别是对抗父权的一个故事

A story particularly about resisting patriarchy.

在这个故事当中呢

In this story,

虽然这个哪吒的形象

Although this image of Nezha

他是清俊的

He is handsome.

他是可爱的

He is lovable.

但是我们所看到的这个

But what we see is this.

这个孩子的人生

The life of this child.

其实是阴冷的是悲苦的

In fact, what is cold and damp is sorrowful.

对吧

Right?

他一方面呢

On one hand, he...

似乎是非常的任性

It seems to be very willful.

整天在外面到处搞事情

Running around causing trouble all day.

但是同时呢

But at the same time,

他得不到应有的关怀

He does not receive the care he deserves.

连最基础的父爱和母爱都没有

Not even the most basic love from a father or a mother.

最终他甚至需要用拔剑自刀

In the end, he even needed to use a sword to stab himself.

拔剑自杀

Suicide by sword.

来结束他的生命

To end his life.

这是一个悲情的故事

This is a tragic story.

但是我们在看今天的

But we are looking at today’s...

这个新版的哪吒的时候呢

When is this new version of Nezha coming out?

我们看到的却不是这样的一个设定了

What we see is not such a setting.

我们看到的父母

The parents we see.

不再那么悲情的

Not so sorrowful anymore.

不再那么人见人物诡厌

No longer so weary of seeing people and their peculiarities.

之前的那个父亲和母亲

The previous father and mother.

是让大家心里特别不能接受的

It is something that everyone finds particularly unacceptable.

对吧

Right?

无论是小说当中

Whether in the novel

还是79版的动画片当中

It's still in the 1979 version of the animated film.

哪吒和他的父亲之间的矛盾呢

What is the conflict between Nezha and his father?

其实一直是让大家心里面

In fact, it's been on everyone's mind.

觉得很不舒服

Feeling very uncomfortable.

父子之间怎么是这样的呢

How can it be like this between a father and son?

就是非常不舒服

It just feels very uncomfortable.

而且互相要打打杀杀

And they have to fight and kill each other.

那么在这一版当中呢

So in this version,

他就让这个亲情啊

He just lets this familial affection...

有了一个回归

There is a return.

就是我们

It's just us.

我们真正看到的还是

What we truly see is still

父亲和母亲

Father and mother

对于哪吒的这种

Regarding this kind of Nezha

无条件的付出和爱

Unconditional giving and love.

这一点呢

This point.

就是让所有的观众觉得

It's just to make all the viewers feel.

内心里面心生温暖

A warm feeling arises within my heart.

特别舒服的

Especially comfortable.

那我想这样的一个改动呢

Then I would like to suggest such a change.

他也非常符合

He is also very suitable.

现代的这样的一个时代

A modern era like this.

因为我们在现在

Because we are in the present.

其实每一个人

In fact, every person

他都会面临他自己的一些

He will face some of his own.

人生的一些困境

Some dilemmas in life.

和内心中的一些困境

And some dilemmas in the heart.

那么

Then

最通用的就是大家

The most common one is everyone.

可能比较容易出现的问题呢

Possible issues that may arise.

往往都是在两点

Often it is at two o'clock.

第一点呢就是

The first point is that

可能在家庭上

Possibly in the family.

得不到亲情

Unable to obtain familial love.

得不到关怀

Not receiving care.

父母的关爱

Parental love

第二点呢就是在

The second point is that in

个人的这个

This personal one.

对外的这个社交上呢

In terms of external social interactions,

好像总是找不到朋友

It seems like I can never find friends.

非常的孤独

Very lonely.

那么在这个影片当中呢

So in this film...

通过去修改这样的一些人设

By modifying such character settings.

其实这个作者

Actually, this author

或者这部影片呢

Or this film?

就已经让观众呢

It has already captivated the audience.

非常有代入感的进入到了

Very immersive introduction to.

哪吒的这个成长世界当中

In this world of growth for Nezha

就我们会对他这个角色

We will have a role for him.

会感同身受的

Will empathize.

在这个版本当中呢

In this version,

他讲的这个哪吒

The Nezha he talked about.

其实他就是一个

In fact, he is just a...

莫名其妙就出生的一个坏孩子

A bad child who was born inexplicably.

对吧

Right?

他本该是一颗灵珠

He was supposed to be a spiritual pearl.

但是他变成了魔丸

But he turned into a magic pill.

魔丸在影片中

The Magic Pill in the video.

其实他的设定就代表了恶嘛

In fact, his character is representative of evil.

对吧

Right?

他他是一个坏孩子的出身

He comes from a bad background.

然后呢

And then?

生出来之后呢

What happens after being born?

第一年他的爸爸呢

What about his dad in the first year?

是去天庭去给他找解药

It is to go to heaven to find the antidote for him.

所以没有能陪伴他

So there was no one available to accompany him.

而他的母亲呢

And what about his mother?

就为了去洗脱他身上这些罪孽呢

Just to wash away the sins on him.

一直是在外面斩妖除魔

Always slaying demons and eliminating evil outside.

就很少有时间陪他

There is very little time to spend with him.

所以他在家里面

So he is at home.

是缺乏父母的关爱的

It is a lack of parental love.

从小他只要他逃出去

Since he was young, all he wanted was to escape.

想去看一看外面的世界的时候呢

When I want to go see the outside world.

他会发现

He will find.

全世界的人都害怕他

Everyone in the world is afraid of him.

全世界的人都讨厌他

Everyone in the world hates him.

全世界的人都憎恨他

Everyone in the world hates him.

那么这个孩子

So this child.

在这样的一种氛围下长大呢

Growing up in such an atmosphere.

其实他的内心是孤独的

In fact, he is lonely inside.

而且呢他是有忧郁症的

Moreover, he has depression.

没有人能理解他

No one can understand him.

他也没有社会认同感

He also lacks a sense of social recognition.

这个其实就和我们现代

This is actually similar to our modern...

现代社会中

In modern society

很多很多很多的你我他

Many, many, many of you, me, and him.

其实我们会面临同样的问题

In fact, we will face the same problem.

那么另外一方面呢

So on the other hand,

其实他并没有真正的

Actually, he doesn't really have it.

变成一个十恶不赦的一个大坏蛋

Become a heartless big villain.

那他在电影当中呢

Then what about him in the movie?

他为什么让这么多人喜欢

Why does he make so many people like him?

是因为他的那一句话

It is because of what he said.

我命由我不由天

My destiny is determined by me, not by heaven.

其实这个故事呢就很清楚了

Actually, this story is quite clear.

他讲的是一个与命运去抗争的故事

He is telling a story about fighting against fate.

虽然你们认为我是抱着这个大魔丸出生的一个坏蛋

Although you think I was born a bad egg holding this big magic orb.

我只能活三年

I can only live for three years.

但是我告诉你

But I'll tell you.

做好人还是做坏人

Be a good person or a bad person?

做一个普通的平庸的人

Be an ordinary and mediocre person.

还是做一个神仙

Still be a deity.

这是由我自己来决定的

This is up to me to decide.

这些呢其实都是特别适合当下的这个语境

These are actually particularly suitable for the current context.

能够让所有的这些年轻的观众

Able to engage all these young viewers.

产生内心的勾连的一些设定

Settings that create a connection within the heart.

所以呢我想人物的设定呢

So I want to discuss the character's setting.

首先就牢牢的吸引了观众的注意力

First, it firmly captured the audience's attention.

而这一点非常的有趣

And this point is very interesting.

然后大家其实会注意到

Then everyone will actually notice.

他里面还有很多的这种

He still has a lot of these inside.

故意去营造构建的反差

Deliberately creating a contrast.

比如说在电影当中

For example, in the movie.

灵珠变成灵珠

The spiritual pearl has turned into a spiritual pearl.

灵珠变成了两颗竹子

The spirit pearl turned into two bamboo stalks.

一颗是好的一颗是坏的

One is good, and the other is bad.

对吧

Right?

那么原本来讲呢

So originally speaking...

灵珠应该是投胎哪吒

Ling Zhu should be the reincarnation of Nezha.

结果呢

What is the result?

魔丸投胎了哪吒

The magic pill has reincarnated Nezha.

反过来呢

On the contrary?

龙王的三太子

The third son of the Dragon King.

他应该是一个坏孩子

He should be a bad kid.

但是呢他却得到了灵珠

However, he obtained the spirit pearl.

那么我们在看这个人设的时候呢

So when we look at this character design,

你会看到一组非常有趣的人物

You will see a group of very interesting characters.

他表面上是对立的

He is opposing on the surface.

一方面哪吒

On one hand, Nezha.

他的外形是最丑陋的一届哪吒

His appearance is the ugliest version of Nezha.

一方面呢

On one hand,

没什么的

It's nothing.

因为他是一个魔丸投胎诞生的

Because he was born from a magic pill.

他的外表就应该是丑陋的

His appearance should be ugly.

那么那边呢

What about over there?

是一个另外的一个方向啊

It's a different direction.

他本是大反派龙王的孩子

He is actually the child of the great villain, the Dragon King.

但是呢

But...

他是抱着灵珠出生的

He was born holding a spiritual pearl.

对吧

Right?

那么他长的是英俊潇洒

He is handsome and charming.

风流倜傥

Dashing and suave.

非常的清俊

Very handsome.

但是当这两个孩子

But when these two children

当他们相遇的时候

When they meet.

你会发现

You will find.

并不是像命运冥冥之中

It is not as if fate is obscured in the dark.

所安排的那样

As arranged.

魔丸就是魔丸

A magical pill is just a magical pill.

灵珠就是灵珠

The spiritual pearl is just the spiritual pearl.

其实他们两个人

In fact, the two of them.

是有很多的共通性的

There are many commonalities.

两个孩子都是孤单的

Both children are lonely.

没有朋友的氛围和环境中长大的

Grew up in an environment and atmosphere without friends.

而且都是被命运所吵动的孩子

And they are all children stirred by fate.

那么当他们遇到彼此的时候呢

So what happens when they meet each other?

其实他们是惺惺相通的

In fact, they have a deep mutual understanding.

他们成为了彼此的好朋友

They became good friends with each other.

可是呢一转身呢

But when I turn around...

他们又即将要变成对方的敌人

They are about to become each other's enemies again.

这样的一种设定呢

Such a setting.

就使得这个影片呢

This makes the film.

就张力十足

It's full of tension.

所以我们在看这个影片呢

So we are watching this movie.

的时候呢

What about then?

你就会觉得

You will feel that.

一步一步一步一步的

Step by step step by step.

你会跟着那样的一个节奏

You will follow that kind of rhythm.

你的内心深处

Deep inside your heart.

你的情绪是有节奏的

Your emotions have a rhythm.

是有起伏的

It has ups and downs.

那么我们再看

Then let's take a look again.

刚才我们的影评人说到了

Just now, our film critic mentioned.

那么这部电影所承担的

So what this movie undertakes

几个世界观跟主题

Several worldviews and themes.

也非常符合好莱坞的动画大片

It also very much aligns with Hollywood's animated blockbusters.

那这部电影的导演饺子

So the director of this movie is Jiaozi.

他到底有着怎样的个人风格呢

What kind of personal style does he actually have?

我们来听一下

Let's listen.

独立影评人小爱的分析

Independent film critic Xiao Ai's analysis.

主题

Subject

其实我们在之前

In fact, we were before.

聊狮子榜

Chat about the Lion List.

包括聊迪士尼动画的时候呢

Including when talking about Disney animations.

我们也大概说过

We have probably said it before as well.

就是一部好的动画电影呢

It's just a good animated movie.

其实它的技术

In fact, its technology

还不是最重要的

Not the most important yet.

好的动画电影

Good animated movies.

它会把技术特效

It will bring technical effects.

把它作为一个幕后英雄

Take it as a behind-the-scenes hero.

不会去渲染这些

Will not render these.

但是它更加关注的呢

But it pays more attention to...

可能是这个故事

It might be this story.

它所要呈现的主题

The theme it aims to present.

它所要去传达

What it aims to convey.

传输的一个价值观

A value of transmission.

因为当这些

Because when these

孩子

Child

当这些受众

When these audiences

他们来看这个影片的时候

When they came to watch this film,

他们会有一些

They will have some.

从中的感悟

Insights gained from it

我们在看灰姑娘的时候

We were watching Cinderella.

我们感悟的是

What we perceive is

做人要有勇气

One must have courage in life.

要善良

Be kind.

我们在看狮子王的时候呢

When we were watching The Lion King,

我们知道

We know.

我们需要有爱

We need to have love.

勇气和责任感

Courage and sense of responsibility.

并且呢

And also,

懂得如何在跌倒的地方爬起来

Knowing how to get up from where you have fallen.

那么回到

Then back to

我们自己国产的这个动画片

This animated film is made in our own country.

哪吒

Nezha

周星铁

Zhou Xingtie

我们看到一个

We see one.

什么样的道理呢

What kind of reasoning is that?

而这个道理讲得非常的清楚

And this principle is explained very clearly.

就是它的世界观

It's just its worldview.

其实构建的很清晰

It is actually constructed very clearly.

它讲的就是一个

It talks about a...

要勇于与命运抗争

Be brave to fight against fate.

要不屈服于世俗的偏见

Do not succumb to worldly prejudices.

努力做好自己

Work hard to be your best self.

努力去做一个更好的自己

Strive to be a better version of yourself.

并且呢

And also,

能够去帮助别人

Able to help others.

它讲的是这样的一个故事

It tells a story like this.

那么这样的一个故事呢

So what about such a story?

它更好的一点在哪呢

What is its better aspect?

就是它不是一个

It is just that it is not one.

只属于我们中国人

Only belongs to us Chinese people.

自己的故事

My own story.

是我们自己的东西

It is our own thing.

就好像你去跟一个老外

It's like you go to talk to a foreigner.

聊到这一点的时候

When it comes to this point

你还要去解释半天

You still have to explain for a long time.

你还要去把中国

You still want to go to China.

我们自己的文化

Our own culture.

我们的语境

Our context

我们整个社会发展的背景

The background of our entire society's development.

去给它讲一遍

Go tell it once.

不需要

No need.

因为这个价值观

Because of this value system.

它是一个普世的价值观

It is a universal value.

这部影片呢

This film, well...

它有一个非常清晰构建的

It has a very clearly structured.

普世的一个世界观和价值观

A universal worldview and values.

那么在这个价值观之内呢

So within this value system…

它所有影片中的叙事

The narrative in all its films.

它有一个非常清晰构建的

It has a very clearly constructed.

所有人物的塑造呢

What about the characterization of all the characters?

都是围绕着这样的一个主题

All revolve around such a theme.

去进行的

Going to be carried out.

也因此呢

Therefore,

使得这一部影片的趣味性

Makes this film interesting.

和观赏性呢

And the aesthetic aspect?

就有了极大的提高

There has been a significant improvement.

那么在拍这个故事的时候呢

So when shooting this story, then...

我想导演他也是

I want to direct, and he does too.

非常的聪明的

Very smart.

用了很多他自己的小趣味

Used a lot of his own little interests.

并且呢

And also

他也一定是一个

He must also be a.

观影量也比较大的人

People who watch a lot of films.

他学习了西方

He studied the West.

学习了日本的动漫

Studied Japanese anime.

他把他看得很清晰

He sees it very clearly.

他看到了

He saw it.

之前感受到的

Previously felt.

学习到的

What has been learned

很多的元素呢

A lot of elements, huh?

其实他是不知不觉的

In fact, he is unaware of it.

放到了这个影片当中

Put into this film.

我举一个例子啊

Let me give you an example.

《深宫豹》

"Deep Palace Leopard"

《深宫豹》在小说当中呢

"The Deep Palace Leopard" is mentioned in the novel.

其实它的设定是一个豹子经

In fact, its setting is about a leopard.

它的两个特点

Its two characteristics.

一个是他走路的时候呢

One is when he walks.

脚是往前走

The feet go forward.

但是他的眼睛是往后看

But his eyes are looking back.

因为他的眼睛是长在头后面

Because his eyes are located at the back of his head.

第二个特点呢

The second characteristic is...

是《深宫豹》

It is "The Leopard in the Deep Palace."

它是一个能说会道的人

He is an eloquent person.

它助纣为虐

It helps tyrants to oppress.

很多的那些助纣为虐的人

Many of those who help the oppressors in their wrongdoing.

其实都是在《深宫豹》的说服

Actually, it is all about the persuasion in "Deep Palace Leopard."

游说和鼓动之下

Under the persuasion and agitation.

他们才去做了那样的一些坏事情

They only went on to do such bad things.

所以在原著小说当中

So in the original novel.

《深宫豹》它确实是一个

"The Deep Palace Leopard" is indeed a...

非常能说会道

Very eloquent.

而且特别能够蛊惑人心的一个人

And a person who is especially able to manipulate people's hearts.

但是呢

However,

在这个《哪吒》这个电影当中呢

In this movie "Nezha,"

我们看到的《深宫豹》呢

What we see is "The Leopard in the Deep Palace."

它居然是一个街吧

It actually turns out to be a street bar.

那么我想这一点呢

Well, I think this point...

就让很多熟悉原著的影迷朋友们呢

It has allowed many fans who are familiar with the original work...

就会觉得很

It will feel very...

莫名就有喜感

There is an inexplicable sense of humor.

它其实是营造了一种幽默感

It actually creates a sense of humor.

它是对原著的一种戏谑

It is a kind of satire on the original work.

其实也是一种关照和致敬

Actually, it is also a form of care and tribute.

但是就很有意思

But it is very interesting.

另外我再举一个例子啊

I will give another example.

就是《太乙真人》

It is "Taiyi Zhenren."

《太乙真人》的这个设定呢

The setting of "Tai Yi Zhen Ren" is like this.

其实它在电影当中呢

Actually, it is in the movie.

它就是一个搞笑担当

It is the comedic relief.

那么它的配音

So its dubbing

其实大家一听会不会觉得很熟悉

Actually, everyone might find it very familiar when they hear it.

我听这个配音的时候

When I listen to this voiceover

第一句话呢

Where's the first sentence?

就想到了在去年非常流行的一些恶搞视频

It reminded me of some very popular parody videos from last year.

它里面是一个

It contains a

就是一个恶搞视频

It's just a funny video.

川普也是一个成都人

Trump is also a person from Chengdu.

讲的四川普通话

Speaking Sichuan Mandarin.

用特别夸张的语气呢

In a particularly exaggerated tone!

去讲述一些

Go to tell something.

抗日神剧的一些片段

Some clips from anti-Japanese drama series.

就非常有意思

It's very interesting.

让人就哈哈大笑

It makes people burst into laughter.

那我想这些呢

Then I think about these things.

都是这个导演的小趣味

It's all this director's little quirks.

因为他可能也非常喜欢周星驰

Because he might also really like Stephen Chow.

他会希望把周星驰的一些

He would like to have some of Stephen Chow's.

无厘头的东西呢

What about the nonsensical things?

放到这个电影当中

Put it into this movie.

我想在拍这个电影的时候呢

I want to make this movie when...

其实这个导演他是非常的聪明的

In fact, this director is very smart.

因为他是学习了

Because he has learned.

好莱坞商业类型片的拍摄方式

The filming style of Hollywood commercial genre films.

从某种意义上来讲啊

In a sense,

我觉得他这个电影和我们看的漫威的超级英雄电影呢

I think this movie of his is similar to the Marvel superhero movies we watch.

其实真的是非常的相似

In fact, it is really very similar.

就大家想一想

Let's all think about it.

我们在看漫威的时候

We are watching Marvel.

我们在看大反派

We are watching the big villain.

灭霸

Thanos

其实他也是有可怜之处

In fact, he also has his share of pity.

也是有可爱之处的

There are also adorable aspects.

对不对

Right or wrong?

那么我们在看

So we are looking at...

所有的这些漫威超级英雄电影的时候呢

What about all these Marvel superhero movies?

你会发现每一部电影

You will find that every movie

他都有他的一个非常清晰的一个世界观

He has a very clear worldview of his own.

但是

But

在讲述这些世界观的同时呢

While narrating these worldviews...

他也会插入一些

He will also insert some.

比较有趣的一些喜剧元素

Some relatively interesting comedic elements.

而让大家呢

And let everyone

在紧张之余呢

In the midst of tension, how about...

也会在不经意之间

It can also happen unintentionally.

哈哈一乐

Haha, a laugh.

其实这个影片他就是这个样子的

Actually, this is how the film is.

而且我们在看漫威的电影的时候呢

Moreover, when we watch Marvel movies,

我们能够看到的是

What we can see is

关于情感的部分是蛮多的

There are quite a few parts regarding emotions.

观众会被打动的是

What will move the audience is

因为你看到了亲情

Because you saw family affection.

爱情友情

Love and friendship

你看到了小爱

Did you see Xiao Ai?

你也看到了博爱大爱

You have also seen great love and compassion.

所以国仇家恨

So national hatred and personal enmity.

个人情感

Personal feelings

在这部影片中呢

In this film,

我们都能够去感受到

We can all feel it.

那么因为能够感受到这些非常细腻的

Then because I can feel these very delicate things.

而且也是能够非常让人有代入感的情感

Moreover, it is an emotion that can deeply resonate with people.

所以呢

So, what?

这个影片呢

This film, well...

就会非常紧密的抓住观众的内心

It will tightly grip the audience's heart.

其实三年前我在节目上曾经提过一个想法

Actually, three years ago I mentioned an idea on a show.

我们看漫威做漫威电影宇宙

We watch Marvel make the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

他打造了几百个超级英雄的电影

He has created hundreds of superhero movies.

然后把他们放到了同样的一个时空的设定之内

Then they were placed in the same spatiotemporal setting.

让大家享有同样的世界观和故事背景

Let everyone have the same worldview and story background.

产生关联

Establish a connection.

其实我们完全可以去用同样的方式

In fact, we can completely use the same method.

去打造我们自己的神仙宇宙

Let's create our own fairy tale universe.

因为中国有那么多的神仙

Because China has so many deities.

那么多的古代的神话传说当中

Among so many ancient myths and legends.

其实如果能够好好的去认真踏实的去布局

In fact, if one can seriously and earnestly plan and layout.

然后不急功近利的去慢慢的去规划的话呢

Then, if you take your time to plan without being in a hurry for quick results,

我们其实是可以做一些的

We can actually do some things.

做一些类似的东西出来的

Make something similar come out.

而且还有一个优势就是

Moreover, there is also an advantage that is

我们的这些神仙他不存在公司的版权问题

Our deities do not have any copyright issues with the company.

所以这个事情就是谁下手早

So this matter is just about who acts first.

谁可能就占先机

Whoever may act first will gain the advantage.

当然了这条路呢一定是磕磕绊绊

Of course, this road will definitely be filled with bumps and obstacles.

不是那么容易的

It's not that easy.

三年前有这个想法也说过这个类似的话

Three years ago, I had this idea and mentioned something similar.

然后今天就发现

Then I found out today.

哪吒的横空出世呢

The emergence of Nezha.

已经证明了是有人已经在做这个事情了

It has been proven that someone is already doing this.

在哪吒的

The one belonging to Nezha.

因为目前的这个最后一部份呢

Because the current final part is...

这个片尾呢会有三个彩蛋

There will be three easter eggs at the end of this episode.

对所以大家如果还没有看的话呢

So if everyone hasn't seen it yet

可以耐心的等到片尾三个彩蛋出来之后再走

You can patiently wait until the three post-credit scenes are out before leaving.

三个彩蛋的设定呢

What's the setting for the three Easter eggs?

他的这个逻辑和好莱坞的电影也是一样一样的

His logic is just like that of Hollywood movies.

他会让你在后面你会看到新的大boss

He will let you see the new big boss behind you.

其实是在背后

In fact, it is behind the scenes.

你会看到有可能出现的新的反派

You will see the new villains that may appear.

你会知道其实

You will know actually.

哎光线可能也是在

Oh, the lighting might also be in.

IP来试一试水

Try the waters with the IP.

来布一盘棋局

Let's set up a game of chess.

这个电影它一定是有后续的

This movie must have a sequel.

我想这个是一个

I think this is a

未来中国动画电影的一个

One of the future Chinese animated films.

发展的趋势

Trend of development

同时它也是特别值得

At the same time, it is also particularly worthwhile.

所有做动画电影的人去

Everyone who makes animated movies go.

观摩去学习的一个作品

A work to study and learn from by observation.

因为确实在这个作品当中

Because indeed in this work

我们看到的

What we see

不仅仅是这个作者

Not just this author

个人那些小趣味

Personal little interests.

我们看到的是非常专业的

What we see is very professional.

考莱坞电影工业流水线

Hollywood film industry assembly line

这样的一种制作流程

Such a production process.

制作方式

Production method

制作模板之下的一个

A template made beneath.

技术的作品

Works of technology

同时我们又能够去

At the same time, we can also go to.

回顾我们属于自己

Looking back at what belongs to us.

东方文化

Eastern culture

属于我们自己中国人

Belonging to our own Chinese people.

耳熟能详的一个内容

A well-known topic.

这样的一个故事

Such a story.

其实是对于每个人来讲

Actually, it is for everyone.

都会是有一个情感上的牵绊

There is always an emotional bond.

这几点他都做得非常的好

He does these points very well.

那么最赞的

Then the best.

再说一遍

Say it again.

就是还是他对于

It's just that he is still towards.

剧情和人物关系

Plot and character relationships.

人物设定的

Character design.

大胆的突破和改变

Bold breakthroughs and changes.

这样的突破和改变

Such breakthroughs and changes.

我想是与时俱进的

I think it is keeping pace with the times.

那么这个导演他也是

So this director is also...

他是一个外行

He is an outsider.

他以前是学医的

He used to study medicine.

我想他在做这个影片的时候

I think he is making this film.

哪吒的故事

The story of Nezha.

其实就是他自己的故事

It's actually just his own story.

哪吒为什么不被接受

Why is Nezha not accepted?

为什么要遭遇那些偏见

Why face those prejudices?

为什么他一定要去

Why does he have to go?

和命运去做抗争

Struggle against fate.

他的勇气是从哪里来的

Where does his courage come from?

他如何去

How does he go?

被亲情感化

Moved by familial love.

如何去回报亲情

How to repay familial love?

所有的这一切

All of this.

其实都是每一个现代人

In fact, they are all modern people.

无论是80后90后

Whether it's the post-80s or post-90s generation.

10后

Post-10s

甚至是以后的20后

Even those born in the 2020s.

其实每一个人都正在面对的

In fact, everyone is facing this.

一些实际的问题

Some practical questions.

所以能够全民的共鸣

So it can resonate with everyone.

全民的共情

Empathy for all.

同时也能够传输

At the same time, it can also transmit.

普世的价值观

Universal values

我想这个影片

I want this movie.

它突破31票

It surpassed 31 votes.

一定是不成问题的

It definitely won't be a problem.

今天时间关系

Due to time constraints today.

也没有办法再说太多了

There is no way to say much more.

但是强烈推荐

But highly recommended.

如果你还没有去看这个影片

If you haven't seen this movie yet.

一定要去买一张电影票

You must go buy a movie ticket.

我是小爱

I am Xiao Ai.

好的

Okay.

也非常感谢我们的独立演评人小爱

Also, a big thank you to our independent reviewer, Xiao Ai.

对这部电影

About this movie

为什么能够这么火

Why is it so popular?

为什么能够在票房口碑上

Why can it succeed in both box office and reputation?

取得双丰收

Achieve a double harvest.

做了一个非常详细的

Made a very detailed one.

跟具体的解读

With specific interpretation.

好

Good.

如果大家想去见证

If everyone wants to go and witness.

这部可能将突破30亿的动画电影

This animated film may exceed 3 billion.

那就到定院里

Then let's go to the court.

去亲自的观赏一下

Go see it in person.

今天跟大家带来的是

Today I'm here to bring you...

哪吒之魔童将士

Nezha: The Devil Child Warrior

我们的节目就到这里

Our program ends here.