腦作大業 179 – RMIT & HKAS BA Fine Art Graduate 2020

現在這樣的社會會令到我創作多了一份擔憂

The current society makes me feel an extra burden in my creativity.

既熟悉又陌生

Familiar yet陌生.

當你細看的時候

When you take a closer look.

一些很零碎的東西

Some very fragmented things.

其實就會提醒你

Actually, it will remind you.

好像是認識到這個地方

It seems like I have recognized this place.

你想讀藝術就去吧

If you want to study art, then go ahead.

不要想太多

Don't overthink it.

一想了

Once thought of

你又等了一年

You waited another year.

感覺就好像

It feels just like.

我想賦予一些感情去那個地方

I want to give some emotion to that place.

所以就重新劃出來

So it was redrawn.

歡迎大家來到《路作大業》

Welcome everyone to "The Road to Great Undertakings."

今集就是我們的179集

This episode is our 179th episode.

上一次到現在都隔了一段時間

It has been a while since the last time.

今日我又來有四位的嘉賓

Today I have four guests again.

今集的嘉賓是

The guest for this episode is

之前RAMIG的畢業同學

Former graduates of RAMIG

或者今集大家可以先介紹一下自己

Maybe in this episode, everyone can introduce themselves first.

首先有Esther

First, there is Esther.

Esther

Esther

Hello大家好我是Wenda

Hello everyone, I am Wenda.

Hello我是Mickey

Hello, I am Mickey.

Hi我是Milly

Hi, I am Milly.

Hello我是志遠

Hello, I am Zhiyuan.

長期的客席主持

Long-term guest host.

歡迎幾位

Welcome, everyone.

剛好因為之前這段時間

Just because during this period of time previously

就是我們RAMIG之前有個Grad Show

It's just that we had a Grad Show for RAMIG before.

就是BA Finance

It's BA Finance.

今日整個是最後

Today is the very last.

因為武漢肺炎就變了

It has changed because of the Wuhan pneumonia.

今天就沒班車了

There are no buses today.

總之你還有一個星期空場

In short, you still have a week of free time.

沒人來

No one is coming.

還是要拆東西

Still need to take things apart.

半個星期

Half a week

可以說半個星期

You could say half a week.

就是展在這裏

It is just displayed here.

但人就不能去

But people can't go.

對呀

Yes.

就是空擺在這裏

It's just empty here.

是不行的嗎

Is it not possible?

不行呀

No way.

它有可能是整個Art Centre

It could be the entire Art Centre.

都是Close Team

It's all Close Team.

講講你展覽的名

Talk about the name of your exhibition.

我們是20車

We are on the 20th car.

車20

Car 20

這個就是我們的日子爛名

This is our name for a bad day.

2020就是你的日子爛名

2020 is the year you gained a bad reputation.

對

Correct.

2020

2020

這個名是有特別的意思嗎

Does this name have a special meaning?

有的

Some.

就是平時我們去檢查眼時

It's usually when we go for an eye check-up.

有個視覺度表

There is a visual acuity chart.

2020呢

What about 2020?

就是沒有近視

It means you don't have nearsightedness.

是一個正常的視覺

It is a normal vision.

即是你看東西應該會看得很清楚

That means you should be able to see things very clearly.

剛好今年又是2020

Just in time, this year is also 2020.

我們就撞正這件事

We just ran into this matter.

有個同學就提出

A classmate suggested.

我們能不能夠看得清楚呢

Can we see clearly?

尤其是上年到現在發生了這麼多事

Especially since so much has happened from last year to now.

這是一個問題來的

This is a problem.

你的朋友同學是視光師嗎

Is your friend a optometrist?

沒有

None.

我從來沒有知道

I never knew.

你又有了我沒有人測試的

You have something that I have not tested.

我測試死定了

I'm definitely going to fail the test.

大家都知道香港

Everyone knows about Hong Kong.

我們都堅持

We all insist.

可以邀請

Can invite.

RMIT

RMIT

HK Art School畢業的同學

Graduates of HK Art School

開展覽來接受訪問

Hold an exhibition to accept interviews.

一來是情節節

One is the plot point.

二來就是香港

Secondly, it is Hong Kong.

藝術的人都不多

There are not many people in the art world.

我們比較出名的藝術學校的

We are a relatively well-known art school.

就是展覽中大

It's just that it's big in the exhibition.

這個B.U.真

This B.U. is really...

浸會

Baptist

HK Art School RMIT

HK Art School RMIT

這三個比較多人說

These three are mentioned by more people.

我就自己過了這麼多年都有看的

I've been watching it by myself for so many years.

我都覺得每一間都有自己的獨特風格

I think each one has its own unique style.

還有是明眼一看就知道

It's obvious at first glance.

所以我今年看完之後

So after I finish watching this year.

都有很多很好的工作

There are many very good jobs.

覺得很驚喜

I feel very surprised.

邀請你們來講解一下

I invite you to explain.

我們今天就可以正式開始

We can officially start today.

開始以後有些小問題

There were some minor issues after it started.

你們可以逐個逐個講

You can talk one by one.

首先第一個問題

First of all, the first question.

其實現在香港比較有功力

Actually, Hong Kong is more powerful now.

社會也是很熱門的

Society is also very popular.

很多人都很無神

Many people are very listless.

問一下你們什麼趨勢

What trends are you talking about?

你們和女生讀藝術

You and the girls are studying art.

和選擇這一間學校

and chose this school

Esther你先說吧

Esther, you go first.

我是從小到大

I have been since childhood.

家裡在藝術方面的栽培

Cultivation of art at home.

都投放了很多錢進去

A lot of money has been invested in it.

藝術世界

Art world

不是藝術世界

Not the art world.

但是他們不知道為什麼

But they don't know why.

很喜歡在這一方面栽培我

I really enjoy cultivating myself in this aspect.

小時候開始跳舞

Started dancing when I was young.

學習彈琴畫畫

Learning to play the piano and paint.

什麼都讓我學

Let me learn everything.

然後唯獨是畫畫是可以

Then only drawing is possible.

畫畫是不用別人迫

Drawing doesn't require anyone to push you.

就可以去學的

You can go and learn it.

就是彈琴唱歌被人迫嗎

Is it that playing the piano and singing is being forced by others?

彈琴和跳舞

Playing the piano and dancing.

以前是要人逼著才可以去

It used to be that one had to be forced by others to go.

就是自己不喜歡

It's just that I don't like it.

所以逼著

So I am forced.

但是學的時候是在學

But when learning, it is learning.

你現在在花園街那裡

Where are you on Garden Street now?

看到賣一張有屋

Seeing a house for sale.

有山有水那些畫

Pictures with mountains and water.

就是那些油畫

It's those oil paintings.

一學就是學那些

It's just about learning those things.

我平時就跳過了很多技巧上的東西

I usually skip a lot of technical things.

幾多歲了

How old are you?

那時候差不多十歲

At that time, I was almost ten years old.

然後去到

Then go to

我覺得那些才是有技巧

I think those are the real skills.

你想一下

Think about it.

但是我不懂掃描

But I don't understand scanning.

就是學了很多東西

I have learned a lot.

他的意思只是學了薄膜的技巧

He just means he has learned the techniques of working with film.

然後就變了

And then it changed.

去到中學的時候讀藝術

When I went to high school, I studied art.

就是高中讀藝術的時候

It was when I was studying arts in high school.

老師就很記得被人畫了一句

The teacher clearly remembers being drawn with a phrase.

就是你這些畫

It’s these paintings of yours.

花園街都可以買

You can buy it on Garden Street.

為什麼要畫

Why draw?

然後就迫起心去畫其他東西

Then I was compelled to draw other things.

到畢業

To graduation

中學畢業的時候

When I graduated from high school

掙扎了很久

Struggled for a long time.

因為手上有兩個offer

Because I have two offers in hand.

有好幾個offer

There are several offers.

一個就是accounting的offer

One is an accounting offer.

一個好像是design

It looks like it's a design.

廣告設計的offer

Advertising design offer

然後我就最後

Then I finally...

就很不爭氣地選擇了

Just helplessly chose.

這個accounting的offer

This accounting offer.

因為我覺得

Because I feel that...

很難都不爭氣了

It's really difficult and disappointing.

是讀書量力

It's about learning according to one's ability.

讀書量力

Read according to one's capacity.

讀書

Reading books

因為是不智量力

Because it is unwise to overestimate one's capabilities.

我最後interview都被藍藍說的

I was told by Lan Lan about the final interview.

藍藍也有說明明你畫畫是好一點的

Lan Lan also said that you drawing is indeed better.

為什麼你要去讀一些會計的東西呢

Why do you want to study some accounting things?

首先是改變了兩樣東西

First, two things have changed.

accounting是沒問題的

Accounting is no problem.

第二天是有multi-talent的

The next day will have multi-talents.

但是那時候選的原因是

But the reason for choosing at that time was

因為想著賺了錢才去找夢想

Because I think it’s only after making money that I can pursue my dreams.

有些不爭氣

Some are quite disappointing.

那就是

That is.

你不要再說不爭氣了

Don't say you're hopeless anymore.

不要再說不爭氣了

Don't say you're not capable anymore.

人生有那麼多長時間

Life has so much time.

暫時都要找一下錢

I need to find some money for the time being.

有時候就是做藝術

Sometimes it's just about doing art.

我也不可以一開始就讀藝術

I also cannot start by studying art.

我只是讀computer

I only study computer science.

accounting也找不到什麼錢

Accounting can't find any money either.

這是事實

This is a fact.

或者你那時候是沒有隨著你自己的心意去發行

Or perhaps at that time you did not release it according to your own wishes.

我想回應一下你的歷程是怎麼樣的

I would like to respond to how your journey has been.

我們那個年代是倒轉的

In our era, things were reversed.

一說給爸爸媽媽聽

Tell it to mom and dad.

想做藝術

Want to create art.

學什麼什麼

Learn whatever.

爸爸第一句就說沒有錢

Dad's first sentence was that there is no money.

第二句就說學這些東西窮一輩子

The second sentence says that learning these things will keep you poor for a lifetime.

但是我也算是很幸運的

But I also consider myself very lucky.

你不要笑話完結

Don't laugh at the end of the joke.

你知不知道香港那時候最出名的兩間art shop

Do you know which two art shops were the most famous in Hong Kong at that time?

就在洗衣街

Just on Laundry Street.

一間是五億

One room is five hundred million.

一間是香港art supply

One is an art supply store in Hong Kong.

你不要小看黃玉

Don't underestimate yellow jade.

黃玉當年差不多全都是藝術的

Most of the yellow jade back then was almost all artistic.

在香港做廣告

Advertising in Hong Kong.

做畫畫的

Doing painting.

都可以賣的

Everything can be sold.

四十年前已經是了

It was already forty years ago.

很久了

It's been a long time.

廣益四十多年前

Guangyi more than forty years ago.

我最記得第一次

What I remember the most is the first time.

柳媽媽去買合斯德林

Mom Liu went to buy Hesderlin.

顏色筆就是在柳營

The colored pens are in Liu Ying.

所以讀書和賺錢

So reading books and making money.

兩樣東西是沒有抵觸的

The two things do not contradict each other.

就是不要覺得兩樣東西有抵觸

Just don't feel that the two things are in conflict.

做自己喜歡做的東西

Do what you love to do.

賺錢兩樣東西可以並行

Making money can involve two things running parallel.

下一位

Next please.

看看你的歷程是怎麼樣

Let's see what your journey has been like.

我就要講回讀art之前

I want to talk about before I studied art.

我是在一間法院那裡做文員的

I work as a clerk at a court.

做文員之前

Before becoming a clerk

我就沒有讀過大學

I have never been to college.

沒有讀過任何書的

Did not read any books.

中學去讀

Go to middle school.

就工作了

Just work.

沒有讀過專上

Have not attended higher education.

不是沒有讀過書

It's not that I haven't studied.

專上

Higher education

沒有讀過書

Never went to school.

沒有正式升上大學

Did not officially advance to university.

那些

Those.

也有的

There are also some.

不過就

However, just

總之就浪費了一年

In short, it was a waste of a year.

總之就是不知道

In short, I just don’t know.

選什麼自己很迷惘

I'm very confused about what to choose.

就去做事

Just go to work.

之後就做到那樣

After that, it was done like that.

就問

Just ask.

如果讓我讀書

If you let me study.

我真的讀書

I really study.

我可以

I can.

我會讀什麼

What should I read?

你會想的

You will think about it.

你會想很多自己

You will think a lot about yourself.

其實對什麼有興趣

Actually, what are you interested in?

其實可以對很多東西都有興趣

In fact, you can be interested in many things.

我就想起我小時候

I think of my childhood.

兒時的時候

In childhood

很喜歡畫畫的

Really enjoys painting.

那時候

At that time

不畫什麼

Not drawing anything.

其實是畫一些很簡單很淺的東西

Actually, it's about drawing some very simple and shallow things.

甚至乎是一些甜色比賽而已

It's even just some sweet color competitions.

但是

But

很享受的

Very enjoyable.

這個就是

This is it.

這些很小的記憶

These very small memories.

到了大的時候

When it grows up.

我也是偶爾

I am occasionally too.

我都會去看別人的藝術展

I will go to see other people's art exhibitions.

其實是九五大八的

Actually, it is the 95th edition of the 8th.

但是都覺得很有趣的

But everyone finds it very interesting.

我就很想知道

I really want to know.

究竟讀藝術是什麼一回事呢

What exactly does it mean to study art?

就是撩起了我裡面一些

It just stirred up something inside me.

一些

Some

一些興趣

Some interests

還有那時候中學就

And back then in middle school...

覺得讀藝術賺不到錢

Feel that studying art won't make money.

所以我就沒有讀藝術的

So I didn't study art.

沒有好功利的

There is no good utilitarianism.

還有那時候想做獸醫

I also thought about becoming a veterinarian back then.

是

Yes

就讀了理科

Studied science.

就沒有讀藝術

Then I didn’t study art.

但是長大

But grow up.

大一點你才會去想

You will think about it only when you grow up a bit.

真的認真去想自己是怎麼樣

Really take the time to think about what kind of person you are.

你前面那條路

The road in front of you.

難道每個人都計劃給你嗎

Is everyone really planning to give you something?

沒有人計劃給你

No one plans to give you.

有些都會有

Some will have it.

但是我自己就是會想的

But I tend to think about it myself.

所以就

So then.

機緣底下就

Under the opportunity, just...

就知道

Just know.

我找

I am looking for.

香港有哪些地方有藝術讀

Which places in Hong Kong have art readings?

除了中大

Except for the Chinese University.

那些傳統的學院

Those traditional academies.

原來還有藝術學院

So there is also an art academy.

藝術學院

Art Institute

我覺得

I think.

我看了他們的課程

I looked at their courses.

看到感覺是比較專業一點的

It feels a bit more professional when seen.

那個專業不是很專業

That profession is not very professional.

是他很專注在讀藝術而已

He is just focused on studying art.

所以我就選擇試

So I chose to give it a try.

那時候就讀高中

At that time, I was in high school.

高中

High school

是全職

It is full-time.

所以就讀了

So I enrolled.

就很記得

I remember it very well.

你們講起面試的時候

When you talk about the interview

我面試的時候

When I was interviewing

就講了一句話

Just said one sentence.

我就知道自己

I just know myself.

我真的無意間講出來

I really said it by accident.

我就說

I just said.

我記得好像林林問我一個問題

I remember that Linlin seemed to ask me a question.

為什麼要讀藝術

Why study art?

我最後講了一句

I said one last thing.

我說我不想後悔

I said I don’t want to regret.

我就扁了個大的頭

I just made a big head.

然後就

Then just

就這樣就完了

It's over just like that.

我都以為自己是進不了的

I thought I wouldn't be able to get in.

因為他都有他的要求

Because he has his own demands.

還有講了很多

There is also a lot to talk about.

為什麼突然之間才來讀藝術

Why did you suddenly decide to study art?

問了很多問題

Asked a lot of questions.

我都回答不了

I can't answer at all.

我真的回答不了

I really can't answer that.

因為我覺得

Because I think

我又沒有這樣的經驗

I don't have that kind of experience.

很多

a lot

你只是畢了一份工作

You just graduated from a job.

然後就讀了

Then I just studied.

那時候是

At that time, it was

我就決定了那份工作來讀

I have decided to take that job to study.

就是這樣

That's it.

一路就升長讀B.A.

I continued to study for a B.A. degree all the way.

我回應一下你

I will respond to you.

你在法院做文員

You work as a clerk in the court.

幸好你沒有去讀法律

Fortunately, you didn't go to study law.

或者不幸你沒有去讀法律

Or unfortunately, you didn't go to study law.

如果不是香港有些好的裁判官

If it weren't for some good judges in Hong Kong.

有些不知道什麼人讀

Some people don't know what to read.

什麼人真的讀過法律學院

What kind of person has really attended law school?

就做裁判官

Just be a judge.

這是 rare 的事

This is a rare occurrence.

香港你不幸

Hong Kong, you are unfortunate.

讀藝術圈好慘

The art world is so miserable.

有良知

Have a conscience.

有良知的人做就行了

Those with a conscience can just do it.

我覺得

I think.

那些真的沒有良知的

Those who really have no conscience.

考過什麼學位去做那些

What degree did you obtain to do those?

真是救命

Really a lifesaver.

第二樣東西

The second thing.

我覺得

I think.

很多同學

Many classmates

我覺得有個情意結的

I think there is an emotional bond.

但是我可以說

But I can say.

這個只是RMIT

This is just RMIT.

Hall Art School的獨特之處

The uniqueness of Hall Art School.

剛才開波我都講了

I just mentioned it at the beginning.

是為了一間是

It is for a room that is.

接收很多有Art的夢想的人

Receiving many people with artistic dreams.

但是他們已經走過別的路了

But they have already taken a different path.

又回來的

Back again.

就是不同說中大B.U

It's just different from saying "Central University" in Chinese.

很多都是大學畢業

Many are university graduates.

中學畢業就進去

I entered after graduating from high school.

我覺得是很不同的

I think it is very different.

我覺得做Art是跟生活

I feel that doing art is connected to life.

跟歷典很有關係

It is closely related to history.

我待會再講多一點

I will talk a bit more later.

下一位同學

Next student.

我是Mickey

I am Mickey.

我讀藝術的歷程

My journey of studying art.

沒有你們那麼精彩

Not as wonderful as you.

沒有那麼多兜兜轉轉的

There's no need for so much roundaboutness.

我就是小時候喜歡畫畫

I liked drawing when I was a child.

沒有什麼其他

There is nothing else.

很喜歡的其他的娛樂

Other entertainment that I really like.

只是畫畫

Just drawing.

瘋癲的程度是

The degree of madness is

上課有畫

There's a drawing in class.

然後坐車有畫

Then take a car with a painting.

畫在鞋上

Painted on the shoes.

畫在瓶子上

Painted on the bottle.

補習的時候有畫

There was drawing during tutoring.

有空的時候會拉筆畫

I will draw when I have time.

從小到大都知道自己喜歡這東西

I have known since I was young that I like this thing.

很清楚的

Very clear.

去到中學高中的時候

When I got to high school.

我也是入了去讀那間

I also enrolled to study at that school.

香港小機廠藝書院

Hong Kong Small Factory Art Academy

比較專注讀Art的中學

Compared to other high schools, it focuses more on studying Art.

在那裡其實

Actually there.

也會認識到

will also realize

Art有不同的範疇

Art has different realms.

就不只是畫畫

It's not just about painting.

在那裡其實

Actually, there.

我已經是開了很多範疇

I have already opened up many areas.

在讀Art裡面

In reading Art.

我又會玩Drama

I can play Drama again.

又會唱歌

Also can sing.

又會寫東西

I can also write things.

又會畫畫

Can also draw.

很少會在視藝和演藝是並存的

It is rare for visual arts and performing arts to coexist.

你兩範都可以

You can have both options.

在小機就要有這個

You must have this on the small machine.

表演藝術和視覺藝術呢

What about performing arts and visual arts?

香港比較少

Hong Kong is relatively less.

很少人會有這樣方面的才華

Very few people have talent in this area.

你的前途是不可限的

Your future is limitless.

然後呢

And then?

這些才華

These talents.

其實在小學中學的時候

Actually, during elementary and middle school.

已經是有的

It already exists.

那時候已經是有玩Drama

At that time, I was already playing Drama.

這些東西

These things

接著

Then

小機高中畢業之後

After graduating from high school, Xiao Ji.

我就停了幾年

I just stopped for a few years.

去讀書的

Going to study.

就去了工作

Just went to work.

因為讀大學

Because I am going to university.

費用就貴

The cost is expensive.

那時候又升不上去

At that time, I couldn't rise up again.

分不高

The score is not high.

還有

Also

我想自己都不清楚

I don't even know myself clearly.

究竟為什麼自己要讀書

Why do I need to study?

我那時候是

I was at that time.

所以就去了工作

So I went to work.

做了幾年

Worked for a few years.

做過不同的工作

Have done different jobs.

然後兜兜轉轉

Then, after going in circles.

找到一份

Find a job.

自己做了最久的工作

Did the longest job myself.

也是跟畫畫相關的

It's also related to painting.

所以之後呢

So what happens next?

我就是

I am.

做了幾年工作之後

After working for several years.

我也是想著進修

I am also thinking about furthering my studies.

那就

Then.

就選擇了藝術學院了

So I chose the art school.

有一點點

A little bit.

怎麼說呢

How to put it?

不知道是不是叫做

I don't know if it's called.

冥冥中注定

Destined in the darkness.

因為其實我本身

Because I actually myself...

一開始是想

At first, I wanted to...

進入HKDI的

Entering HKDI

就是想去那邊的

I just want to go there.

但是誰知道

But who knows?

因為我是會考的

Because I am going to take the exam.

學校的畢業生

School graduates

沒有中六的程度

Not at the level of sixth form.

他就不認受

He just doesn't accept it.

所以我剩下的一個選擇

So the only choice I have left.

就是只有藝術學院而已

It's just the art academy.

然後就走了

Then just left.

進來讀藝術了

Come in and study art.

那

That

一路讀

Read all the way.

其實都會發現

In fact, one will find.

其實

Actually

其實不是畫畫

Actually, it's not about painting.

就這麼簡單

It's that simple.

還有

And also.

原來

It turns out.

一路做的時候是

The journey was along the way.

會發現多了自己是怎麼樣

You will discover more about what you are like.

一路

All the way.

就是做那個過程

It's just about going through that process.

是一路反思自己

It is a journey of self-reflection.

不是只是

Not just.

想那個項目是什麼

What is that project?

不是就是你外面是怎麼樣

It's not just about what's happening outside with you.

同時也是要多回頭去

At the same time, one should also look back more often.

理解自己是怎麼樣

Understanding what kind of person you are.

現在我們可以多說一點

Now we can talk a little more.

關於你對藝術的理解

Your understanding of art.

不過我覺得

However, I think...

就是好像在香港

It's like being in Hong Kong.

在

At

好像你這樣

It seems like you are this way.

演藝方面

In the field of performing arts

藝術

Art

演視覺藝術方面

Performative visual arts

這些你有很多

You have a lot of these.

可能

Maybe

譬如說

For example.

你學講藝術

You learn to speak art.

話畫

Dialogue 그림

可能《藩國談》

Possibly "Fanguo Talks"

一些都這樣

Some of them are like this.

但是

But

甚至你連藝術劇

Even you can't even appreciate art dramas.

你都有做

You have done it all.

那這個很難得的

Then this is very rare.

我覺得

I think.

你做任何的創作

You create anything.

都應該是有幫助的

It should all be helpful.

第一個有玩的嗎

Is anyone the first to play?

沒玩的

Not played.

兩個人做的

Done by two people.

接著

Next

然後

Then

讀完

Read finished.

高褻歷之後

After the high blasphemy

我都自己再反思一下

I will reflect on it myself.

就是究竟

It's just究竟.

然後再讀上去B.A

Then continue on to read for a B.A.

因為B.A的學費是很貴的

Because the tuition for a B.A. is very expensive.

所以跟家裡鬧了一場超級大的交易

So I had a huge argument with my family.

不是有關空姐嗎?

Isn't it about the flight attendant?

是有啊 但是家裡會超級反對

Yes, there is, but my family would be totally against it.

就算她不給錢也好

Even if she doesn't give money, that's fine.

你自己給的 但是她都會很反對

You gave it yourself, but she will strongly oppose it.

但是在這個過程裡面

But in this process

我才知道原來自己是很想做這件事

I just realized that I really want to do this.

你有沒有跟媽媽說

Did you talk to mom?

你試不出我離家出走

You can't test if I run away from home.

其實差不多了

Actually, it's almost done.

你說你十幾歲離家出走很害怕

You said you were very scared when you ran away from home at a young age.

你二十幾歲離家出走很害怕

You were in your twenties and ran away from home, feeling very scared.

你離家出走我也不害怕 你就走吧

I'm not afraid of you running away from home; just go ahead.

是啊 所以最後她也說我不想

Yeah, so in the end she also said I don't want to.

所以就繼續讀

So just keep reading.

我小時候沒有這些心情

I didn't have these feelings when I was a child.

我跟媽媽說

I told my mom.

你出家了 我要讀啊

You have become a monk, I want to study.

我看了

I looked.

你們比較聰明 借廣東去讀

You are smarter, go to Guangdong to study.

是啊 我也沒有想過

Yeah, I didn't think about it either.

就是找不找到錢這回事

It's just a matter of whether or not you can find the money.

我一向都不是要找到很多錢的人

I have never been someone who seeks to find a lot of money.

那是兩回事

That's two different things.

我覺得很多藝術家和我有時候

I think many artists and I sometimes

將一些說話沒有消化過

Some words have not been digested.

這些說話一大堆

These words are a big pile.

不是要找很多錢 但是也要找錢

It's not about looking for a lot of money, but you still have to look for money.

是嗎 這麼多年了

Is that so? It's been so many years.

很多工作都不是怎樣找到錢的

Many jobs don't really find money in that way.

是

Yes

做藝術家也不跟其他工作一樣

Being an artist is not the same as doing other jobs.

你讀不讀藝術 做不做藝術家 做不做創作

Do you study art, become an artist, or create?

我覺得跟找不找錢沒有關係

I think it has nothing to do with finding money.

找錢為生活 為責任這些是必須的

Finding money for life and for responsibility is necessary.

也不要太過變成這樣

Don't let it become like this too much.

就是去那裡吃飯

Just go there to eat.

就是因為香港的社會其實很功利

It's because Hong Kong's society is actually very utilitarian.

所以很容易會想到這個東西

So it's easy to think of this thing.

我覺得現在的問題太過功利是一個極端

I believe that the current problem is overly utilitarian, which is an extreme.

往往很多時候做創作

Often, many times when creating.

或者對其他學科有興趣的人

Or people who are interested in other subjects.

就會跌到這個位置

It will fall to this position.

我不想這麼功利

I don't want to be so utilitarian.

我不想現在只是賺錢

I don't just want to make money right now.

或者要賺很多錢

Or you need to make a lot of money.

但是原來有一個極端的回應

But there was actually an extreme response.

就是我喜歡做的東西

It's just something I like to do.

我喜歡學科

I like subjects.

但是我都可以找到一個舒適的生活

But I can still find a comfortable life.

沒有辦法賺很多錢 是不是

There is no way to make a lot of money, right?

我們有時忘記了這件事

Sometimes we forget about this.

記住我今晚講的這件事

Remember what I told you tonight.

很多現在香港藝術家都不是說拿藝術來做主要的收入的來源

Many current artists in Hong Kong do not rely on art as their main source of income.

有很多份工

There are many jobs.

是

Yes.

還有如果有機會我再講多一點點

If there is another opportunity, I will talk a little more.

其實外國很多報告都說

Actually, many foreign reports say.

很多大職業現在是回到喜歡讀藝術的人

Many major professions now attract people who enjoy studying art.

嗯 是

Hmm, yes.

你是否最需要

Do you need it the most?

我不管你

I don't care about you.

讀藝術的人反而是有那個火在那裡

Those who study art are the ones who have that fire within them.

因為那種托尼華德

Because of that Tony Ward.

那種肯面對自己

That kind of willingness to face oneself.

肯深思的那樣東西

Things that are worth pondering.

是不是一般的學科的人會有的

Isn't it something that people in general subjects would have?

這個是很重要的

This is very important.

下一位同學

Next student.

我是Milly

I am Milly.

我讀藝術之前是有讀過設計的

Before I studied art, I studied design.

因為是中學的時候

Because it was during middle school.

因為我讀過藝術

Because I have studied art.

覺得那時候讀得很辛苦

I felt that studying was very difficult at that time.

所以在我畢業之後就試過

So after I graduated, I tried.

真的想過

I have really thought about it.

就因為人們

Just because people

可能聽師兄師姐說做設計的人

Perhaps I heard from seniors that those who work in design...

都是那一類

They're all of that kind.

但是可能你的收入會穩定一點

But your income may be a bit more stable.

然後就去了讀設計

Then went to study design.

那時候讀的時候覺得都不是很享受的

At that time, I didn't feel like I was enjoying it very much while studying.

因為他不是要在DI讀

Because he is not going to study at DI.

都是DI

It's all DI.

兩次了嗎?

Has it happened twice?

那時候就覺得不太適合自己

At that time, I felt it wasn't suitable for me.

可能讀的時候也很辛苦

It might be very difficult to read.

真的要想好一些東西

You really need to think about some things carefully.

然後就

Then just

然後本身自己很喜歡畫畫的

Then I myself really enjoy drawing.

真的從小就覺得

I really felt it since I was young.

家裡也有給很多機會去

There are also many opportunities at home.

可能去畫班

Maybe go to an art class.

不停去學

Keep learning.

這樣覺得畫畫是喜歡的

I think painting is enjoyable.

但是去到畢業之後就覺得

But after graduation, I felt...

因為中學的時候也很辛苦

Because it was also very difficult in middle school.

可能不停要畫

May need to keep drawing.

然後又做得慢

Then it was done slowly again.

然後就變成不停被老師在那裡搶我

Then it became a situation where the teacher kept snatching me.

要快點交

Hurry up and submit it.

然後就覺得

Then I just feel

這個情報不領袖

This information does not lead.

所以就轉了去讀電視

So I switched to studying television.

然後突然發覺電視更加搶劫

Then suddenly realized that the TV was more of a robbery.

然後不知不覺就再找了

Then, I unknowingly started looking again.

想哭也哭不醒

Want to cry but can't wake up.

然後就去了

And then went.

畢業後就去了做教畫

After graduation, I went to teach painting.

覺得可能畫畫方面都覺得自己比較適合

I feel that I am more suited for drawing.

你發現沒有做過設計

Did you find that you haven't done any design?

沒有做過設計

I have not done any designing.

就是教畫

It's just teaching painting.

然後慢慢就

Then slowly...

當我想再進修的時候就發覺

When I wanted to pursue further studies, I realized that...

藝術學院是...

The art college is...

就...

Just...

我之前去看過一些其他學校

I have visited some other schools before.

那個要求都比較高

That requirement is relatively high.

然後就選一選就變成了

Then just select and it becomes.

要求讀VA的班

Requesting to take the VA class.

我這裡可以插一點口的

I can add a little comment here.

聽到說設計

Hearing about design.

說題外話

Speaking of something off-topic.

大家可能聽過之後

Everyone may have heard afterwards.

都有些 inspirations

They all have some inspirations.

對聽眾都有 inspirations

It provides inspirations for the audience.

有沒有聽過

Have you heard of it?

我忘了哪一個哲學家

I forgot which philosopher.

忘了拍電影或是亞歷斯都可以

Forget about shooting the movie or Alex can do it.

那他說

Then he said.

第一樓的藝術家就是上帝

The artist on the first floor is God.

創造天地萬物

Create the heavens and the earth, and all things.

第二樓的藝術家就是工匠

The artist on the second floor is the craftsman.

因為世間的萬物

Because of everything in the world

由一個很原始的物料

Made from a very primitive material.

變成人可以用的所有的工具

All tools that can be used by humans.

器具

Instrument

就是工匠

It's just a craftsman.

三樓呢

What about the third floor?

就是藝術家

That's just an artist.

因為藝術家是從業其他

Because the artist is engaged in other professions.

上帝和工匠的東西

The things of God and the craftsman.

不過今天還有一個第四樓的藝術家

However, there is also an artist on the fourth floor today.

就是做設計

It's just design.

哈哈哈哈

Hahaha

所以你們升了一格了

So you have leveled up.

這個笑話就不可以說了

This joke can't be told.

就說回大家讀藝術

Let's talk about everyone studying art.

這麼多年了

So many years have passed.

有什麼苦與樂呢

What are the sorrows and joys?

我們大家可以分享一下

We can all share a little bit.

還有這些歷程對於你現在的工作

And these experiences are relevant to your current job.

或者將來的工作有什麼關聯

Or what relevance does it have to future work?

啟發

Inspiration

inspiration

inspiration

你可以說

You can say

好

Good

Esther先

Esther first.

我的苦和我的樂是同一件事

My suffering and my joy are the same thing.

都是來自於

All come from.

我去逼迫我自己去

I force myself to go.

將我的畫去畫到很detail

Draw my painting in great detail.

去畫到整齊這樣

Go and draw it neatly like this.

那麼

Then.

花園街的分裂

The division of Garden Street.

不是

No.

因為由high dip開始

Because it starts with a high dip.

我就轉了畫空

I just turned the painting around.

就畫了一些minimal

Just drew some minimal.

就是開始轉了做一些minimal的東西

Just started to switch to doing some minimal things.

就

Just

就開始將一些線條就畫到

Just started drawing some lines.

很整齊了

Very tidy.

就變成了

It has become.

發生了什麼事會突然有這個轉向呢

What happened that suddenly led to this shift?

詳細真的忘記了

I really forgot the details.

就是突然地發覺

It is just suddenly realized.

開始學會了去觀察自己身邊的東西

I have started to learn to observe the things around me.

然後就發現原來身邊的東西

Then I realized that the things around me...

很多都是由這些線條去組成

Many are composed of these lines.

然後就開始去畫這些線條

Then I started to draw these lines.

然後就

Then just...

然後就開始逼迫自己逼迫到現在

Then I started to force myself, forcing myself until now.

嗯

Um.

然後就

Then just

那medium是怎樣的

What is that medium like?

medium是怎樣的

What is medium like?

medium

medium

其實一直都是在用acrylic

Actually, I have always been using acrylic.

然後其實在探索用原筆的

Then actually exploring the use of the original pen.

但是因為原筆的特性有太大的變化

However, because the characteristics of the original pen have changed too much.

因為每一支的

Because each one is...

就是每一種原筆的

It's just every kind of original brush.

每一個牌子的軟硬度都不一樣

Each brand has a different hardness and softness.

所以畫出來的都不一樣

So what is drawn is all different.

所以都是用在試驗的階段

So they are all used in the experimental stage.

有沒有試驗一些其他的硬筆呢

Have you tried some other fountain pens?

沒有這個

Not this.

那這個逼迫帶給你什麼樂趣

So what pleasure does this coercion bring you?

很治癒的過程是

A very healing process is

OK

OK

整個過程可以

The entire process can be.

是

Yes.

怎麼說呢

How should I put it?

人是會平靜下來的

People will calm down.

但是長時間畫下去是會敏的

But drawing for a long time will make it sensitive.

對得下去是會敏的

If you can respond accordingly, it will be sensitive.

就是不可以長時間對

It just cannot be done for a long time.

但是又可以治癒到自己

But it can also heal oneself.

就是畫完看著它

Just finish the drawing and look at it.

你是會覺得很舒服的

You will feel very comfortable.

但是

But

畫的過程當中其實是

The process of drawing is actually...

畫不出來是很敏的

It can't be drawn, it's very sensitive.

就是你畫劇都是

It's just that your performances are all...

總是有些東西突出來的

There is always something that stands out.

是很敏的

It is very sensitive.

馬上就拿去方向

Take it to the direction right away.

對

Yes.

這些畫是畫不出來的

These paintings cannot be painted.

就是好像

It's just like that.

這次Gregg Shaw這樣

This time Gregg Shaw is like this.

其實我

In fact, I.

我到現在覺得

I still feel that way now.

掛出來的那些畫都是沒畫出來的

The paintings that are hung up are all unfinished.

有沒有試過那些經歷呢

Have you ever experienced those things?

想在幾年的作品

Works from the past few years.

拿回去再重畫

Take it back and redraw it.

再畫東西上去呢

Then draw something on it.

暫時沒有

Not available at the moment.

暫時都還是封住它們

Temporarily, let's keep them sealed.

那很多東西還沒完

Many things are not over yet.

它越織越多

It weaves more and more.

因為你說每一份都好像還沒完

Because you said every version seems unfinished.

是

Yes

那Gregg Shaw那份作品是怎麼樣的

How is that work by Gregg Shaw?

Gregg Shaw那份是

That one belongs to Gregg Shaw.

其實是畫一塊

Actually, it's about painting an area.

我用了很多年的剪裁機

I have used the cutting machine for many years.

剪裁機是夾子來的

The cutting machine is made from clips.

其實是畫

Actually, it's a painting.

我孫大佑他去畫的

My grandson Dayou went to draw.

本身是想說他那個

I originally wanted to say his that.

用得久了的

Used for a long time.

就是沒有痕

There's just no trace.

本身我是有想著要

I originally had the thought that I wanted to.

連痕跡都畫上去

Even the traces have been drawn on.

但是

But

不知道為什麼最後沒有畫上去

I don’t know why it wasn’t included in the end.

是吧

Is that so?

很難理解的

Difficult to understand.

那你想

Then what do you want?

剛才你說可能個人有一些治癒的過程

You just said that there might be a personal healing process.

但是

But

我不覺得你有病

I don't think you're sick.

不知道你有沒有病才有治療

You won't know if you have an illness until you seek treatment.

我也覺得我自己有病

I also feel that I am sick.

我覺得也會有很多

I think there will also be a lot.

我不會用這麼重的詞

I wouldn't use such strong words.

可能都是那個

It might be that one.

劫劑的過程

The process of robbery.

我想問你想

I want to ask you what you want.

這個概念就是

This concept is

你去找一塊Cutting mat

You go find a cutting mat.

重現它

Reproduce it.

簡單的重現它

Simply recreate it.

想帶給一些觀者

Want to bring something to some viewers.

你有什麼感受呢

What do you feel?

我想

I want.

看看可不可以

Let's see if it's possible.

令到觀眾都有那種

Makes the audience feel that kind of…

平靜下來的感覺

The feeling of settling down.

就是

That's it.

有那種我畫月舞

There is a kind of dance I draw under the moon.

火氣上來望的那種

The kind of anger that rises up.

治癒的感覺

Healing feeling

那些平靜有機會我們再分享

Those moments of tranquility, we can share again.

我們冥想就只能回答平靜

When we meditate, we can only answer with calmness.

有機會我和你分享一下

If I have the chance, I will share with you.

還有什麼想說關於你的概念

Is there anything else you would like to say about your concept?

或者是將來你要延伸一些什麼創作的歷程呢

Or will you extend some creative process in the future?

想再延續

Want to continue again.

你說你很多東西都還沒畫

You said you haven't drawn a lot of things yet.

好像都畫不完

It seems like it can never be finished.

怎麼說

How to say

我那些東西是要一直繼續畫

I need to keep drawing those things.

會不會將你剛才那種概念放在一些其他的媒體裡面呢

Will you place that concept you just mentioned into some other media?

我沒有想過

I never thought about it.

我想不是只是畫畫的媒體

I think it's not just a medium for painting.

可能是影片啊

It might be the video.

照片啊

Photo ah

設計啊

Design ah

其他的一些

Other things.

Premade的東西啊

Things that are premade.

會不會就是

Could it be that...

因為你剛才說的

Because of what you just said.

有一個好像

There seems to be a good one.

好像不知道怎麼解釋你的心情

It seems I don't know how to explain your feelings.

然後你想透過一個調整

Then you want to make an adjustment.

然後就將這件事

Then this matter will be...

在過程中很舒服的

It was very comfortable during the process.

比如說

For example.

但是當你在過程中有些東西不願意

But when there are some things you are unwilling to do during the process.

你又會覺得很憤怒

You will feel very angry again.

就是這個過程是應該一個循環來的

This process is supposed to be a cycle.

不斷循環的

Constantly cycling.

會不會想一下

Will you think about it?

或者試一下

Or give it a try.

那些其他的媒體呢

What about those other media?

嗯

Hmm.

可以試的

You can try.

嗯

Yes.

對

Yes.

你聽人打的機會

The chance to hear someone play.

好

Good

那麼下一位呢

So what's next?

好

Good.

禁到我了

I am banned.

苦與樂

Suffering and Joy

坦白說你問我

To be honest, you asked me.

就是

That's it.

很多畫面

Many scenes

那我只是說

Then I'm just saying.

苦先吧

Suffer first.

我覺得苦是

I think suffering is.

是一些很耐心的東西

They are some very patient things.

不是發生了什麼事令到我不開心

It's not that something happened that made me unhappy.

而是反而是去到一些位置

Instead, it is going to some places.

我失敗了

I have failed.

就是由比較後期的時候

It is just from a relatively later time.

嗯

Uh-huh.

你知道的

You know.

就是你對藝術的認識多了

It means you have a deeper understanding of art.

你會有一個學識

You will have knowledge.

什麼叫Critical Thinking

What is critical thinking?

嗯

Hmm.

那你就會判斷

Then you will make a judgment.

什麼是好什麼是不好

What is good and what is bad?

或者身邊有同學啊

Or there are classmates around.

有老師跟你說

A teacher told you.

你以為這件事好

You think this matter is good.

就是你想著present的時候

It's when you're thinking about the present.

啊這次都應該做得不錯

Ah, I should have done well this time.

那你出來全部的feedback都是

Then all the feedback you received is

OK啦

Alright then.

就是盡了力了你

You have done your best.

或者是

Or it is.

不是那麼好啦

It's not that great.

那我覺得

Then I think.

有些心理力

Some psychological power

心路歷程上的

On the journey of the heart.

的痛苦啊

The pain.

的張力我覺得是辛苦的

I think the tension is exhausting.

你問問我

You ask me.

那譬如

For example,

那樣話是好

That's good.

你以為好

You think it's good.

人家可能不好

Others might not be good.

覺得不好

I feel bad.

你以為那件事是差

You think that matter is bad.

就是出來的效果是不好的

The result that came out is not good.

但是你有沒有試過experience呢

But have you ever tried experiencing it?

就是可能A老師是說好

It’s possible that Teacher A said it was good.

B老師說不好

Teacher B said it's not good.

是啦

Yes.

這個更難

This is harder.

整個說B同學說好

The whole class said that Student B is fine.

類似啦

Similar, yes.

A官就說我B官就說我B官

A official said I B official said I B official.

所以就

So that's it.

我開頭都不是很看化

I don't really understand it at the beginning.

就是又不是

It's just not that.

怎麼說呢?

How should I put it?

尤其是有些時候

Especially at times.

我很努力

I work very hard.

很努力去做

Try hard to do it.

很想做它

I really want to do it.

但是出來未必是這樣

But it may not turn out this way.

那

That.

我就覺得

I just feel that.

其實不是

Actually, it’s not.

做A不是說

Doing A doesn't mean to say.

你要人家的feedback

You want feedback from others.

不是你要贏掌聲

It's not that you want to win applause.

是你能不能面對自己

Can you face yourself?

我覺得這個位置是痛苦的

I think this position is painful.

但是我覺得是

But I think it is.

我覺得是一個成長

I think it's a growth.

同時間

At the same time

就是你怎樣

It's how you are.

擁抱一些你覺得好的

Embrace some things you think are good.

同時擁抱一些不好的

At the same time, embrace some bad things.

或者是

Or it is

一些

Some

你有進步的空間

You have room for improvement.

那樣東西

That kind of thing.

那麽

Then

心路歷程是比較痛苦的

The journey of the heart is relatively painful.

我問一句

I have a question.

因為我想今晚

Because I want tonight.

剛才開咪前就聽到

I just heard it before turning on the microphone.

其實你們覺得在創作過程中

Actually, what do you think about the creative process?

或者你們創作完整的七七八八

Or you can create a complete mishmash.

首先不要問

First, don't ask.

不要講其他的

Don't discuss anything else.

在你們眼中

In your eyes.

什麼為之好

What is considered good?

什麼為之不好

What is considered bad?

是呀

Yes.

先講自己先

First, talk about yourself.

因為我覺得好和你覺得好的可能不同

Because I think what is good may be different from what you think is good.

那你自己在創作過程中

Then what about your own creative process?

如果成品七七八八

If the finished product is almost done.

沒有說完整

Not fully said.

可能never ending

May be never-ending.

什麼叫好什麼叫不好

What is called good and what is called bad?

你自己

Yourself

我覺得不會走太遠的

I don't think it will go too far.

如果那樣東西

If that kind of thing

做出來那樣東西是

What was made like that is

比較

Comparison

貼近我想表達的東西

Close to what I want to express.

那樣東西未必好看

That kind of thing may not be good-looking.

但是反而那樣東西是比較

But instead, that kind of thing is comparatively...

我覺得可以比較

I think we can compare.

不是說那樣是好還是不好

It's not about whether it's good or bad.

因為我們呢

Because we...

接近你想表達的東西

Approaching what you want to express.

很多時候我們會有很多機會present

Many times we will have many opportunities to present.

給大家聽

Let everyone listen.

然後同學們就圍著一起去講那件事

Then the classmates gathered around to talk about that matter.

會給你很多feedback

I will give you a lot of feedback.

那樣東西就是

That thing is

叫做好

Called good.

so called 叫好不好

Is it called good or not?

那你會知道的

Then you will know.

但是

But

譬如有比較多人會說

For example, there are relatively more people who would say.

這個正啊什麼什麼的

This is just right, what what.

所以其實要很小心

So you actually need to be very careful.

因為你很多時候會給你這些說話

Because you often say these things to yourself.

好像

It seems.

挺好的

Pretty good.

你就覺得自己的

Do you think your own...

挺好

Pretty good.

但是你不知道好是什麼

But you don't know what good is.

所以我的問題就是問你自己先

So my question is to ask you first.

不要理會別人說

Don't pay attention to what others say.

你在創作過程中

During the creative process.

和你在作品差不多完成之後

After your work is almost complete.

你自己覺得什麼是好

What do you think is good?

我覺得

I think.

出道來

Debut.

是表達到我自己心裏面的那樣東西

It is something that expresses what is inside my heart.

那樣東西未必好看

That thing might not be good-looking.

我做完很爽的

I feel great after finishing it.

自己是會會心未笑

Self is a heart that has not yet smiled.

那個感覺是很舒服

That feeling is very pleasant.

我就覺得是好

I think it's good.

你的概念啊

Your concept.

感覺啊

Feeling ah

故事是可以

The story is possible.

覺得那件作品表達到了

I feel that the work has achieved its expression.

有一致性的

Consistent.

還有是過程來的嘛

It's all about the process.

你的那件作品其實不是就這樣生出來

Your work didn't just come into being like this.

你的過程裏面你都享受

You enjoy your process.

我覺得我會比較在意這件事

I think I would care more about this matter.

但是所以就是說

But what it means is...

你很過程開心

You are very happy during the process.

但是到你critique那一刻

But by the time you critique it

你有些東西要

You have some things to...

這些不用理你

These don't need your attention.

critique那些是我們讀書才會的

Critique is something we learn to do through studying.

就是覺得讀書嘛

Just feel that studying is...

覺得讀書嘛

What do you think about studying?

這樣

Like this.

很開心就是

Just very happy.

最開心就記得有些畫面就是

The happiest moments are remembered as certain scenes.

在high dip那時

At that time in the high dip.

sculptor ceramic

sculptor ceramic

跟着painting的同學

Following the classmates from painting.

就在同一棟大廈的

In the same building.

一棟一棟的很近的大家

The buildings are very close to each other.

那些關係很close

Those relationships are very close.

然後很開心見誠地講

Then happily speak sincerely.

去critique

Go to critique.

去給意見大家

Go give everyone feedback.

那件事

That matter.

喂我不知道怎麼做啊你覺得怎樣啊

Hey, I don't know what to do. What do you think?

然後很誠實去講

Then speak honestly.

不會有保留

There will be no reservation.

我覺得這件事

I think this matter.

是很開心的

It is very happy.

因為大家都不會想太多東西的

Because no one thinks too much about things.

剛剛接觸藝術

Just getting into art.

那就會

Then it will.

我直接

I will do it directly.

會講到直接感受

It will talk about direct feelings.

那我問一問

Then let me ask a question.

你的創作概念

Your creative concept.

和這次這件

And this time this matter.

畢業展的work

Graduation exhibition work

那個

That.

是

Yes

你深入歷程啊

You have a deep journey, huh?

或者你想表達什麼給那些觀者看呢

Or do you want to express something for those viewers to see?

想講講

I want to talk about it.

我那個work呢

My work?

其實是由high dip開始做到現在的

Actually, it started with high dip and has continued until now.

就是

That's it.

跟香港的島嶼有關係的

Related to the islands of Hong Kong.

原於我曾經有一次搭船

Because I once took a boat.

見到突然之間

Suddenly seeing.

堅尼地城旁邊有一個

Next to Kennedy Town, there is a...

就是你不會覺得的

You just won't feel it.

你不會看得到你不會理

You won't see it, so you won't care.

有一個好像西蘭花那樣打了一槍

There is one that looks like broccoli and has been shot.

那個是什麼來的呢

What is that?

其實就是島

It's actually an island.

但是這個是什麼來的

But what is this?

就是你很少會去

It's just that you rarely go.

你是不會知道的

You will never know.

就是你不會理的

It's just that you won't care.

即是那裡

Where is that?

但是又

But again

很有趣的

Very interesting.

那我就研究了

Then I studied it.

那就了解他們的想法

Then understand their thoughts.

這些故事啊

These stories, ah.

了解每個島其實叫什麼名字

Understanding what each island is actually called.

其實有名字啊

Actually, there is a name.

即使小到好像

Even if it's as small as seeming.

一塊石頭

A piece of stone.

其實它都有個名字的

Actually, it has a name.

就從這裡開始

Let's start from here.

那麼

Then.

就直接到現在

Just go to the present.

我就

I just.

在找這些島的過程裡面

In the process of looking for these islands.

我就找到一些

I just found some.

他們的

theirs

在歷史檔案館

At the historical archives.

就找到他們的故事

Just find their story.

除了歷史檔案館

In addition to the historical archives.

找到一些地圖

Find some maps.

都會講到這些島的

It will talk about these islands.

提及過這些島的

Mentioned these islands.

那麼

Then

我就拿這些地圖去玩了

I just took these maps to play with.

那就加入了我自己的想像

Then it incorporates my own imagination.

然後放在這些島

Then put it on these islands.

這些地圖裡面

Inside these maps

是的

Yes.

就是這樣

That's it.

那你想觀者看到這些甚麼呢

So what do you want the viewers to see in these?

嗯

Hmm.

我想觀者看到就是

What I want the viewers to see is.

你

You

其實我有時都會想問他們一個問題

Actually, there are times when I want to ask them a question.

還有他

There is also him.

即是在看這幅畫的時候

It is when looking at this painting.

都會問一個問題就是

They often ask a question:

你

You

住在香港那麼久

Living in Hong Kong for so long.

你

You

有沒有聽過這些名字

Have you heard of these names?

你知不知道這些是什麼

Do you know what these are?

有沒有聽過這些島的島名

Have you heard of the names of these islands?

其實是香港的地方來的

Actually, it comes from a place in Hong Kong.

我們可能就認識旺角啊

We might know Mong Kok.

天花咀啊

Heavenly flower mouth.

我認識嘔西州啊

I know Ohiom.

最知最知

Most knowledgeable, most knowledgeable.

最知最知就是長洲的

The most knowledgeable is Changzhou's.

好一點就是南丫島啊

Lamma Island is a better choice.

亭州啊

Tingzhou ah

很厲害的

Very impressive.

嘔西州我記得

I remember the western state of Ou.

是的

Yes.

除了你會去玩

Besides you, who will go to play?

或者你真是

Or maybe you really are.

冒險家

Adventurer

好像一個探戶家的方法去看

It seems like a way to visit someone's home as a guest.

其實這些地方都是香港的

Actually, these places all belong to Hong Kong.

那麼

Then.

你會問回頭

You will ask for a return.

你究竟認識香港有多少島

How many islands do you really know about in Hong Kong?

是不是我們自己都知道的

Isn't it something that we all know?

就是有些我們本土的東西

It's just that some of our local things...

是的 就是這樣

Yes, that's it.

我覺得

I think.

挺特別的

Quite special.

因為在我的認知裏面

Because in my understanding

凡是關於地理啊

Anything related to geography.

環境的東西

Environmental things

應該是

It should be.

就是

Just.

體質學家啊

Physiologist.

地理學家啊

Geographer, ah.

考古學家啊

Archaeologist.

或者做旅遊的人會去

Or perhaps those who travel will go.

去專注一點

Go focus a bit.

將這些東西去

Take these things away.

介紹給大家或者

Introduce to everyone or

喚醒大家

Wake everyone up.

但是

But

你是用一個藝術的角度

You are using an artistic perspective.

去喚醒其他人對這些的

Go wake up others about this.

不要說關注

Don't say pay attention.

留心下

Pay attention.

這些的島

These islands.

或者地理環境

Or geographical environment

是和我們有關係的

It is related to us.

是的

Yes.

沒錯

That's right.

好的

Okay.

非常好

Very good.

因為John對島特別有興趣

Because John is particularly interested in the island.

對地圖啊島啊

Regarding maps and islands.

地理環境的東西

Geographical environment things

特別有興趣

Especially interested

你有沒有用過其他 medium 去表達這件事

Have you ever used other mediums to express this?

除了拼聽之外

Besides listening practice.

拼聽

Listening together

我曾經做過一份 Word 是 Photography

I once worked on a Word document about Photography.

就是講一些消失了的島

It's about some islands that have disappeared.

那麼我就去他們的

Then I'll go to theirs.

邊界那裏

Where is the border?

就各自拍了

Just took selfies.

就是做了一個動作

It was just a move.

那就拍了一輯照

Then took a set of photos.

就將

Just about to.

兩邊各自的地方

Places on both sides.

拍出來的照片

Photos taken.

拼在一起

Put together.

但是兩張照片裏面的是我來的

But the person in both photos is me.

是同一個人

It is the same person.

他的手勢就好像

His gestures are just like...

要走過去那樣

You need to go over there like that.

要跟他接觸那樣

You need to get in touch with him like that.

這樣

This way.

我做過這一輯照

I have taken this series of photos.

所以你問我 medium

So you ask me about the medium.

所以為什麼我會用古地圖

So why do I use ancient maps?

我覺得古地圖的

I think ancient maps are...

有趣的地方就是

The interesting thing is

它不需要好像 Google Map 這樣

It doesn't need to be like Google Maps.

有一個很 functional 的作用

It has a very functional purpose.

或者是一些很實際

Or it could be something very practical.

很正常的東西

Very normal thing.

譬如 500 米

For example, 500 meters.

這裏跟那裏是 500 米就 500 米

Here to there is 500 meters, just 500 meters.

你就會知道的

You will know.

但是古地圖就是

But ancient maps are...

你可以有無限的想像空間

You can have infinite imagination.

即 even 你怎樣做都可以

You can do it however you like.

你怎樣畫都可以

You can draw however you like.

我覺得有趣的位置在這裏

I think the interesting spot is here.

所以我就用這個方法

So I used this method.

會不會跟人

Will you be with someone?

跟土地或者是

With the land or...

地理環境的那種關聯性

The relevance of geographical environment.

你都想大家去反思一下

You want everyone to reflect a bit.

都是的

All are.

都是譬如我

It's all just an analogy of me.

我拿了古地圖去做 appropriation

I took the ancient map to do appropriation.

有些位置我是沒有動的

There are some positions that I haven't changed.

我是完全照抄的

I copied it completely.

這樣抄下去的

This way of copying down.

就是照抄下去的

It's just copying it down.

但是有些位置我都會加了

But I will add some positions.

我對那個地方的理解

My understanding of that place.

或者一些想像在上面的

Or some imagination above.

就不只是有些島

It's not just about some islands.

你也加了一些現代的 element 下去

You also added some modern elements to it.

是的

Yes.

沒錯

That's right.

即 even 我畫的那個方法都不是一些古代

Even the method I used to draw is not an ancient one.

古時的方法

Methods of ancient times.

新舊交替的那些

The transition between the old and the new.

是的 有一點新舊交替

Yes, there is a bit of transition between the old and the new.

用到的方法是比較像卡通

The method used is somewhat similar to cartoons.

其實好像

Actually, it seems like...

你又不是那種山海經那種

You're not like those from the Classic of Mountains and Seas.

山海經那種很漂亮

The "Shan Hai Jing" is very beautiful.

那些每一條筆竹你都看得很清楚

Every single bamboo pen you can see very clearly.

但我又不是這樣

But I'm not like that.

當然我又可以進步的空間

Of course, there is still room for me to improve.

但是我覺得

But I think

我這樣放下去就會令到人們想到

If I place it down like this, it will make people think.

為什麼那些這麼現代的

Why are those so modern?

那些你好像不是用

It seems like you are not using those.

書法畫

Calligraphy painting

你好像是用那些

It seems like you are using those.

叫做科學巫筆

Called the Science Witch's Pen

這樣的嘛

Is that so?

你科學巫筆很難做到

Your scientific witchcraft is difficult to achieve.

好像山海經那種

It seems like the "Shan Hai Jing" (Classic of Mountains and Seas).

你真的用科學巫筆

You really use a scientific wand.

不是 所以我不是科學巫筆的

No, so I am not a scientific witch.

就是這樣

That's it.

我一放在科學巫筆就想讓小孩寫大字

As soon as I put down the scientific magic pen, I want the child to write big characters.

不知為什麼老師不讓人用科學巫筆

I don't know why the teacher doesn't allow people to use the scientific magic pen.

寫一個大字永遠都寫得不漂亮的

Writing a big character will never be beautiful.

老師會罵你的科學巫筆

The teacher will scold your science witch pen.

就是五代化

It's just the five dynasties.

還有一些什麼補充

Is there anything else to add?

還有沒有下位同學

Are there any lower-grade classmates?

沒有什麼了 差不多

There's nothing much, it's about the same.

你呢

What about you?

我呢

As for me.

再講講你什麼名字

Tell me again what your name is.

我是Mickey

I am Mickey.

對於我來說

For me

苦和樂其實都是同一樣東西

Suffering and joy are actually the same thing.

學習的過程是痛苦的

The process of learning is painful.

我覺得

I think.

畫的過程都是痛苦的

The process of painting is always painful.

什麼時候開心呢

When will I be happy?

就是完了之後得到的那些

It is what you get after it's all over.

我以為學習過程是快樂的

I thought the learning process was enjoyable.

但是要做事的時候是辛苦的

But it is tough when it comes to getting things done.

要做創作的時候要交功課要考試

When you want to create, you have to do your homework and take exams.

痛苦而已

Just pain.

學習過程是快樂的

The learning process is joyful.

這個過程沒事嘛

Is there anything wrong with this process?

開心的過程是痛苦的

The happy process is painful.

這個痛苦其實是

This pain is actually...

要思想很多

You need to think a lot.

要想很多

To think a lot.

吸收很多

Absorb a lot.

好像一字消化不了 hp

It seems that one word can't digest HP.

接著你又要在這個裏面

Then you need to be inside this.

不斷地反挫

Constant setbacks.

就好像只是逐渐逐渐

It's like it's just gradually happening.

不知就知道一些

Not knowing is to know something.

我覺得這個算得很辛苦的

I think this is quite difficult.

嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯

Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm hmm.

為甚麼畫的過程又痛苦呢?

Why is the process of painting painful?

我是一個很容易失敗的人

I am a person who easily fails.

又會覺得我自己是這樣

I would also feel that I am like this.

畫一畫畫幾筆可能又不知道怎麼畫

Drawing a few strokes might leave me unsure of how to continue.

然後我就會出去偷懶

Then I will go out to slack off.

有哪個藝術家在第一筆就知道自己畫

Which artist knows what they are painting from the very first stroke?

我不懂啊

I don't understand.

Banda我不知道怎麼畫

I don't know how to draw Banda.

我不懂啊

I don't understand.

你要任何一個大藝術家在面前再重生的話

If you could have any great artist reborn in front of you,

就是還沒死的那些

It's those that are still not dead.

可以問他們

You can ask them.

在第一筆的時候就知道

I knew it from the first moment.

最後不是畫了甚麼

In the end, what was drawn?

我想我應該知道的

I think I should know.

這個是正常的

This is normal.

這個才是我們的樂趣

This is our true joy.

所以我說苦和樂對我而言是同一件事

So I say that pain and joy are the same thing to me.

在同一件事發生

The same thing happened.

如果說樂在哪裡呢

Where does joy come from?

可能就是完成了之後

It might just be after it's completed.

然後就會想回自己在裡面得到甚麼

Then I will start to think about what I gained from it.

這個才是樂

This is true joy.

好像可以掌握到一個結果

It seems possible to grasp a result.

一個確認

A confirmation.

一個結論

A conclusion.

是甚麼來的呢

What is it?

我終於吃了

I finally ate.

但是在吃的過程其實就是

But during the process of eating, it is actually...

好像吃完又吐出來

It seems like eating and then throwing up.

吃完又吐出來

Eat it and then throw it up.

就是不斷地犯錯

It's just constantly making mistakes.

所以我覺得是痛苦的過程

So I think it is a painful process.

就是學習的過程是痛苦

The process of learning is painful.

對於我而言

For me

我想問一下你那個創作的概念

I would like to ask about the concept of your creation.

就是剛才你說的那些苦與樂

It’s just the happiness and suffering you mentioned earlier.

你的概念

Your concept.

你的靈感

Your inspiration.

怎樣銜接

How to connect?

最後你的工作是怎樣出來的呢

How did your work turn out in the end?

你對觀者有甚麼感受呢

What do you feel about the viewer?

我的作品其實是

My work is actually

可以說是由Heart Diploma開始

It can be said that it started with the Heart Diploma.

開始在這個主題裏做

Start working on this topic.

可以說一點點你作品的模式

Can you talk a little bit about the style of your work?

讓觀眾有機會

Give the audience an opportunity.

知道

Understood.

如果要說的話

If I have to say something.

很簡單就是一個城市的景觀

It's simply the landscape of a city.

但是Heart Diploma和BA做的作品不同

However, the works produced by Heart Diploma are different from those of the BA.

但是一直都是圍繞著這件事的

But it's always been centered around this matter.

那麼

Then

這次展出的作品

The works exhibited this time.

其實是想說

What I actually want to say is...

我對於香港

My feelings about Hong Kong.

我這個

This one of mine.

就是在這裏出生

I was born right here.

在這裏住了這麼多年的地方

The place I have lived in for so many years.

有些甚麼記憶和印象在裏面

What memories and impressions are inside?

那麼

Then.

會有這個

There will be this.

就是會想做這件事

I just want to do this thing.

其實是因為我去旅行的時候

Actually, it's because when I go traveling.

就是當我去了另一個國家

Just when I went to another country.

去另一個地方

Go to another place.

我不是身處在香港的時候

I am not in Hong Kong.

那我再試一下

Then I'll try again.

再想想香港是怎樣的呢

Think again about what Hong Kong is like.

想試一下做一個對比

I want to try making a comparison.

但是我就發現

But I just found out

好像我不是很記得這個地方是怎樣

It seems that I don't remember what this place is like very well.

變得好像

It has become as if.

為什麼這個東西

Why this thing?

明明是貼近我的生活

Clearly, it is close to my life.

但是我是不記得它是怎樣

But I don't remember what it was like.

好像我不認識它

It seems that I don't know it.

很陌生

Very unfamiliar.

對 很陌生

Yes, it feels very unfamiliar.

就是

That's it.

好像就是

It seems to be.

很大浪

Very big waves.

就覺得很密

Just feeling very crowded.

密密集集

Dense and crowded.

密密麻麻麻

Dense and numerous.

很多樓

Many buildings.

這樣

Like this.

好像不認識它

It seems like I don't recognize it.

所以之後

So after that.

我是用了

I used it.

一種

a kind

我覺得城市人是怎樣觀察城市的方式

I think this is how urban people observe the city.

我就坐車的時候

When I was in the car

就畫一些畫畫

Just draw some pictures.

所以捕捉到的

So what is captured.

其實都是一些很碎的東西

Actually, it's just some very fragmented things.

很碎碎濕濕的東西

Very crumbly and damp thing.

不會說畫到整個那個面貌是怎樣

I can't say what the entire appearance looks like.

只是見到一些零碎的線條

Just seeing some fragmented lines.

大概的形狀是怎樣

What is the general shape like?

可能見到路很長

The road ahead may seem long.

一些比較都是線條上面的東西

Some comparisons are based on the lines.

對

Yes

用這些來做材料

Use these as materials.

就形成我最後

It ultimately forms me.

有兩張很大的畫畫

There are two very large paintings.

OK

OK

對

Yes

那

That

那你想觀眾看到什麼

What do you want the audience to see?

感受到什麼

What do you feel?

我想

I want.

因為我做了出來

Because I made it.

其實它

Actually, it.

有些人的反應就是

Some people's reaction is that

好像一個未來城市

It looks like a futuristic city.

但是好像有幾熟

But it seems a bit familiar.

就是再看真一點

Just take a closer look.

又好像

It seems again.

不是

No.

好像幾熟悉

Seems somewhat familiar.

其實這件事都是我想要的

Actually, this is something I wanted all along.

就是

Just is

既熟悉又陌生

Both familiar and unfamiliar.

就是既熟悉又陌生

It's both familiar and unfamiliar.

當你細看的時候

When you look closely.

其實一些很零碎的東西

In fact, some very scattered things.

其實就會提醒到你

In fact, it will remind you.

我好像是認識到這個地方

I seem to recognize this place.

我想表達這個狀態

I want to express this state.

我腦裏面

In my mind.

對於香港是一個怎樣的東西

What kind of place is Hong Kong?

印象這件事其實就是

Impression is actually about this.

你又會清

You can clean again.

又會模

It will be modeled again.

又有真

There is also truth.

又有假

There’s another holiday.

這樣的東西

Such things.

是混雜不齊的

It is mixed and uneven.

那

That

講到畫面那個顏色

Speaking of the color of the picture.

都不是一些很寫實的顏色

None of them are very realistic colors.

但是是城市裡面抽了出來的顏色

But it is the color that has been extracted from the city.

嗯

Hmm.

好

Good

那麼

Then

有沒有什麼補充

Is there anything else to add?

給下一位同學

For the next student.

嗯

Hmm.

呃

Uh

如果我覺得

If I think

和現在的社會有什麼關係的話呢

What relationship does it have with today's society?

我會覺得

I would feel that

現在有一批移民潮

There is currently a wave of immigration.

那我會其實有一點點擔心

Then I would actually be a little worried.

就是自己

It's just myself.

如果我離開這個地方的話

If I leave this place.

我又不太認識它的話

I don’t really know it well.

就是不太認識這個地方的話

If you’re not very familiar with this place...

那我記得的香港是怎樣呢

So how do I remember Hong Kong?

就是有

There is.

就是當我去了其他的地方

It's just that when I went to other places.

那我腦裏面那個香港是不是

Is the Hong Kong in my mind?

還會繼續存在呢

It will continue to exist.

好

Good

因為這個話題我是覺得

Because I feel this topic...

可能這些人是啥時候

Maybe these people are from when.

就是一直都在想

I've been thinking about it all along.

murders

谋杀

突然間

Suddenly

就是

Just.

對

Yes.

這個

This

就

Just

如果

If

真的

Really.

就

Just

然後就要做很多顏色圖案

Then you have to make a lot of colorful patterns.

當時可以是重新去學

It could be a time to learn again.

怎樣去學油畫

How to learn oil painting?

一開始就用油畫開始

Start with oil painting from the beginning.

然後就用很多很基本的技巧

Then just use a lot of very basic techniques.

要重新再學

Need to learn again.

然後就去到

Then we went to.

我覺得那個轉變

I feel that change.

去到二年級就變得很concept

When you reach the second grade, it becomes very conceptual.

然後就是要不停想

Then, you just have to keep thinking.

究竟我要在什麼題材去研究

What topic should I research?

那時候我選了一些

At that time, I chose some.

我附近屋邨的環境

The environment of the housing estate near me.

本身我以前是住樓的

I used to live in an apartment.

但當我讀法蘭的時候

But when I read Frans...

就搬了去邨屋

So they moved to the village house.

就覺得附近環境很新奇很特別

I just feel that the surroundings are very fresh and special.

所以就用了邨屋的屋去做一個題材

So I used the theme of the village house as a subject.

延伸到我現在這個展覽的作品

Extending to the works in my current exhibition.

那就是參考

That is a reference.

我現在那裡就是比較

Where I am now is comparatively...

那些屋是以前沒見過

I have never seen those houses before.

或者是一些很久以前留下來的屋

Or it could be some houses left from a long time ago.

那些人其實已經

Those people have actually already...

有些已經搬來了

Some have already moved in.

或者是已經不是那個屋的屋主了

Or maybe they are no longer the owner of that house.

那就選了那些

Then choose those.

有些形狀是很複雜的

Some shapes are very complex.

真的不是真的

Is it really not true?

好像一個正方形

It looks like a square.

或者一個

Or one.

就變了去尖三尖八角

It became sharp and angular.

就是那個附近每天

It's just that nearby every day.

我站在旁邊就站一層樓

I stand beside, just standing on one floor.

成規會沒那麼大權力

The organization doesn't have that much power.

地產商沒那麼大權力

Real estate developers don’t have that much power.

所以那些樓是專屬品

So those buildings are exclusive items.

地產商是新建的樓裡面

The real estate developer is inside the newly built building.

全部都是四四方方

Everything is four square.

是三層兩層

It's three layers or two layers.

就很規律

It's very regular.

以前的就好像

It used to be like that.

然後就用一些

Then just use some.

就是那時候是

It was at that time.

一開始就是很照抄

At first, it was a direct copy.

那個屋是怎樣的形狀

What shape is that house?

或者有什麼特色

Or what special features are there?

就放進去的

Just put it in.

後來就覺得可以簡化一些線條

Later, I felt that some lines could be simplified.

還有一些形狀

There are still some shapes.

就變了很簡單

It became very simple.

是釋懷去做這個畫面

It is to let go and create this scene.

OK

OK

那你想觀眾

Then what do you want the audience to think?

就是看那些官社有什麼感受呢

What are the feelings about those official accounts?

看到你描述

I see your description.

你現在在描述你的社區

You are now describing your community.

或你住的環境

Or the environment where you live.

那些

Those.

那些樓宇

Those buildings.

主要是說樓

Mainly talking about the building.

是嗎

Really?

是

Yes

的變化特色

Characteristics of change

那你想那些官社看到什麼

What do you think those official media would see?

官社看到

Official society sees.

一個舒服的畫面

A comfortable scene.

就是可能香港的感覺是

It is just that the feeling in Hong Kong is

那些樓很密的

Those buildings are very dense.

但是那個畫的構圖就是

But the composition of that painting is just...

只有一間屋在這個畫面裡面

There is only one house in this picture.

然後好像

Then it seems like

想看下去是一種舒服的感覺

Wanting to keep watching is a comfortable feeling.

就不是真的好像很迫結的一種

It's just that it really seems to be a kind of urgency.

就是香港那些樓令

It's those buildings in Hong Kong that...

那些密集恐懼性的那些人

Those with a fear of clusters.

會精神病發的嘛

Will it result in a mental breakdown?

那你那些就不會了

Then you won't be able to do those.

是很舒服的

It is very comfortable.

很多樓是否走對稱的

Are many buildings symmetrical?

那些樓是很卡的

Those buildings are very cramped.

那些顏色是很卡通的

Those colors are very cartoonish.

你選擇的顏色有特別的

The color you chose has a special meaning.

你講一下

You say it.

因為我看你那個

Because I saw you that.

有講過

Have spoken about it.

那個顏色是特別的

That color is special.

植物的顏色

The color of plants.

還有去跟附近的環境去

Also go and check the nearby environment.

配搭

Matching

植物的顏色

The color of plants.

植物和那些是

Plants and those are.

植物

Plants

馬卡龍的顏色

The color of macarons.

食物

Food

食物的粉色

The pink of food.

馬卡龍的餅的顏色

The color of the macaron shells.

很粉色的

Very pink.

就是你覺得

It's just that you think.

樓是可以吃的

The building can be eaten.

就是有樓可以吃的

There is a building where you can eat.

沒有樓沒得吃的

Without a building, there's nothing to eat.

可以的

Sure.

在屋邊的

At the edge of the house.

我記得他的顏色

I remember his color.

我沒有看他的描述

I didn't look at his description.

但我記得他的顏色是很特別的

But I remember that his color was very special.

我從來沒想過

I never thought about it.

我平時會有這些顏色

I usually have these colors.

這個都很奇怪

This is all very strange.

我不知道你們有沒有留意

I don't know if you have noticed.

其實我是發覺

Actually, I have noticed.

其實我在學校很久沒有畫畫

Actually, I haven't drawn for a long time at school.

我最近畫一兩幅畫

I recently painted one or two paintings.

給朋友看

Show it to a friend.

你的東西

Your things.

你不說

You don't say.

你的東西能夠

Your things can.

都認得的

Everyone recognizes it.

認得你的顏色

Recognize your color.

有你這麼蠢的

There are people as stupid as you.

可能不知道

May not know.

但我都沒有問

But I didn't ask at all.

我覺得

I think.

剛才我問完這堆題目

I just finished asking these questions.

其實我一直都

Actually, I have always...

跟著我講那件事

Tell me about that matter.

我想都有些關係

I think they are all somewhat related.

我覺得這一屆是很特別的

I think this session is very special.

如果你說

If you say

不要說你們讀書

Don't say that you study.

全香港都是

All of Hong Kong is.

社會發生這麼多事

So many things are happening in society.

不用說發生什麼事

No need to say what happened.

大家都知道

Everyone knows.

包括一些社會的事情

Including some social matters.

或者是一些健康的事情

Or it could be some healthy things.

都很大變遷

There have been significant changes.

接下來有個問題

Next, there is a question.

本來是問一個

Originally, it was to ask one.

關於你們藝人

About your artists.

未來在社會的角色

The role in society in the future.

或者你想做些什麼

Or what do you want to do?

過往這幾年發生的事情

Things that have happened over the past few years.

你們的這方面的看法

Your views on this matter.

有影響嗎

Is there any impact?

或者不同

Or different.

或者剛好你們

Or maybe just you.

明畢業

Tomorrow is graduation.

我第一次聽

This is the first time I’ve heard.

畢業後畢業展

Graduation exhibition after graduation.

走一半是無法走下去的

You can't continue walking halfway.

我覺得這個是

I think this is

你們永世難忘

You will never forget.

我們有VR的

We have VR.

永世難忘

Unforgettable for eternity.

其實沒有延期

Actually, there is no delay.

在定那一天

Set that day.

就沒有延期

There will be no延期.

沒有

No.

剛好

Just right.

因為如果再早一點

Because if it were a little earlier.

又開不到

Can't open it again.

所以我們在六月中的時候

So we in mid-June

差不多六月

Almost June.

就是還沒決定的時候

It's when you haven't decided yet.

就談了很久

We talked for a long time.

做不做VR呢

Do you want to do VR?

最後是

Lastly is

都很倉促的

Everything is very hurried.

就決定做VR

Just decided to do VR.

現在就用得著了

Now it's useful.

其實

Actually.

接著

Next

都未必開的

Not necessarily open.

被你繼續擺都不會的

I won't be manipulated by you any longer.

是的

Yes.

但沒人看

But no one is watching.

空的

Empty

好

Good.

你們講講

You all talk about it.

過往這幾年發生的事情

Things that have happened in the past few years.

對你們的創作

Regarding your creation.

或者未來

Or the future.

一個藝術家

An artist

不要說藝術家

Don't talk about artists.

做創作的人

A person who creates.

有什麼啟發性

What inspiration is there?

或者會不會

Or maybe not.

我想

I want.

其實是越多問題

Actually, the more questions there are.

越多古靈精怪力的社會

The more a society is filled with eccentric and whimsical powers.

應該越啟發多人創作

It should inspire more people to create.

Esther先說吧

Esther, go ahead first.

反而我會覺得

On the contrary, I would feel that...

現在這樣的社會會令到

The current society will make it so that

我創作多了一份擔憂

I have created an additional layer of worry.

因為我畫的東西是minimal的

Because what I draw is minimal.

他喜歡按什麼意思下去都可以

He likes to press whatever it means.

就是他可以扭曲我的意思

He can distort my meaning.

將他想要的意思放下去

Put down what he wants to say.

然後想怎樣都可以

Then you can do whatever you want.

就像你畫什麼批

Just like what you draw a critique for.

等於偉大的祖國

Equals a great motherland.

對

Yes.

類似是這樣

It's something like this.

變成是會多一個重擔憂

Becoming it will add an extra burden of worry.

擔憂而已

Just worrying.

你畫的都是國家的安全

What you draw is the country's security.

可能

Possible

可能他們不是這樣看

They may not see it that way.

你那些要變成紅色的

Those that are going to turn red.

知不知道

Do you know?

都說其實

It is said that actually

最不喜歡紅色的卡拉通

The cartoon that dislikes red the most.

你畫的

You drew it.

你都說其實在畫祖國很美好

You said that actually painting the motherland is very beautiful.

這樣才講

This is how to speak.

對

Yes.

所以我選藍色是對的

So choosing blue is the right choice.

藍色或者什麼都是我愛香港

Blue or whatever, I love Hong Kong.

你覺得是有一個恐懼的

You think there is a fear.

有一點點擔憂

A little bit worried.

你呢

What about you?

我剛剛聽Milly說

I just heard Milly say

我突然間有一個想法

I suddenly had an idea.

我覺得是一個挺有趣的

I think it's quite interesting.

就是現在這個時間

It's exactly this time.

我覺得大部分的畢業生

I think most graduates

都好像很想講香港一些東西

It seems like everyone wants to talk about some things related to Hong Kong.

就是很想用他的身份

Just really want to use his identity.

或者用他的做法

Or use his method.

去講香港一些東西

Let’s talk about some things in Hong Kong.

為什麼這麼強烈呢

Why is it so intense?

要講香港一些東西呢

I want to talk about some things in Hong Kong.

我覺得就正正是因為

I think it is precisely because of this.

有些東西怕沒有了

Some things fear losing them.

為什麼會沒有呢

Why is there none?

大家知道為什麼了

Everyone knows the reason.

那時候

That time.

大家都很害怕

Everyone is very scared.

我覺得這麼害怕不是說

I think being this scared is not something to talk about.

什麼自己被消失

What disappeared by itself?

是怕香港有些東西被消失

It is fear that some things in Hong Kong will disappear.

好像剛剛Mickey所講的

It seems like what Mickey just said.

我去了第二度

I went for the second time.

我會不會忘記了香港的

Will I forget about Hong Kong?

其實是一種擔憂

It is actually a kind of worry.

就是一種

It is a kind of.

如果有一個男朋友

If there is a boyfriend.

你交往了兩個月

You have been dating for two months.

和他分手是沒有問題的

Breaking up with him is not a problem.

但是當你愛那個男朋友的時候

But when you love that boyfriend.

就是有問題的

It is problematic.

他說都還沒看清楚

He said he hasn't seen it clearly yet.

都還不知道他是怎麼樣

Still don't know what he's like.

說笑

To joke.

我會覺得

I would feel.

這裡很有趣

It's very interesting here.

尤其是在社會事件

Especially in social events.

有些很直接的回應

Some very direct responses.

有些同學就很情感的

Some students are very emotional.

很情感表達的

Very emotional expression.

很直接的

Very direct.

有些就很間接的

Some are quite indirect.

我覺得我自己那個

I feel that mine is.

都是偏向間接的

They are all inclined towards the indirect.

我沒有直接說什麼社會事件

I did not directly mention any social events.

我沒有的

I don't have it.

但是我想說的就是

But what I want to say is

我想在這個概念上

I want to focus on this concept.

我今晚都挺驚訝的

I am quite surprised tonight.

因為剛才我不知道你哪一個來的

Because I didn't know which one you came from just now.

我現在看到你們說

I am now seeing what you are saying.

我們回想起

We recall.

我看你表演

I watch your performance.

剛才你也說了

You just said it.

你們三個

You three.

你可能是關於一些

You might be about some.

比較物展性的

Comparative exhibition nature.

過往性的東西

Past things

你三個都是跟地方

You three are all related to the place.

非常有關聯

Very relevant.

而是描述那個地方的一些

but rather describes some aspects of that place.

原有的東西

Existing things

這些共同的回憶

These shared memories.

去表達你對他們的

To express your feelings towards them.

我怎麼說

How do I say it?

中文的關注

Chinese attention

就是你們的關注

It is your attention.

關注是什麼

What is attention?

當然你們的切入點是不一樣的

Of course, your starting point is different.

是

Yes

不過你們有地

However, you have land.

人和地

People and the Earth

但是地本來是死物

But the earth was originally an inanimate object.

地本來是死物

The earth was originally an inanimate object.

為什麼會這麼有趣呢

Why is it so interesting?

你說一下

You say something.

你用自己的方法

You use your own method.

定義香港

Define Hong Kong.

是的

Yes.

其實地方是死物

In fact, places are lifeless.

人是生

People are alive.

但是一個人怎麼構成

But how is a person constituted?

其實跟那個地方都有關係

Actually, it has something to do with that place.

你吃的東西

What you eat.

你所知的東西

What you know.

你的文化教育

Your cultural education.

衣食住行

Clothing, food, housing, and transportation.

是的

Yes.

衣食住行

Food, clothing, shelter, and transportation.

其實所有東西都是

Actually, everything is.

在那個環境裡面發生

Happened in that environment.

就是那個環境就是一個圈

That environment is just a circle.

你這個人就在中間

You are right in the middle.

那你怎麼會跟他沒有關係呢

Then how could you have nothing to do with him?

就算他是死也好

Even if he is dead, that's fine.

這就是那個環境衣食形態

This is the environmental form of clothing and food.

那個環境其實就是

That environment is actually...

就構成一個人的所在

It constitutes where a person is located.

就是怎麼樣的

What is it like?

是不會沒有關係的

It doesn't matter if it's not there.

就算我去了第二個地方

Even if I go to a second place.

其實我都撕不掉

Actually, I can't tear it off.

我是香港出生

I was born in Hong Kong.

這個事實

This fact

是的

Yes.

那

That

你說是不是對香港有情意結呢

Are you saying that there is an emotional attachment to Hong Kong?

我覺得我沒有的

I feel like I don't have it.

所以

So

我的作品

My work.

其實我覺得我背後

Actually, I feel that behind me.

其實我是

Actually, I am.

一直想找回

Always wanted to find it back.

我對於香港有些什麼

What do I think about Hong Kong?

什麼感覺

What does it feel like?

我是不是一個香港人呢

Am I a Hong Konger?

我究竟有多喜歡這個地方呢

How much do I really like this place?

嗯

Hmm.

我覺得他們的作品

I think their work is...

和我們之前那幾年

And the few years we had before.

有一個大的分別就是

One big difference is that

之前的人通常會講

People in the past would usually say.

最多的題目就是

The most common topic is

講什麼身份認同

What are you talking about regarding identity recognition?

或者回憶

Or memories.

因為很多人講

Because many people say

但是

But

是不是現在會開始有一點變化

Is it that changes will start to occur a little now?

但是我覺得有關聯性的

But I think there is a correlation.

我想在前幾期

I want to be in the previous few issues.

或者十年前

Maybe ten years ago.

我們開始去講

Let's start talking.

其實都講了同樣的東西

Actually, they are all talking about the same thing.

不過就是

It's just that.

我們自己出發了

We set off by ourselves.

嗯

Hmm.

自己出發了

Set off by myself.

就是臨時的感覺對一些

It's just a temporary feeling for some.

來成長

Come to grow.

或者在你過往經歷中

Or in your past experiences.

一些感受的東西去記錄

Something to record some feelings.

當然是重現的

Of course, it's a reproduction.

那是

That is.

都持續了幾年的

It has lasted for several years.

看回

Looking back

我們那時候

We at that time

11年

11 years

一直數下去

Keep counting.

打後15

After 15

都提到

All mentioned.

直到14年開始突然間

Until 2014, it suddenly began.

明白了

Understood.

14年之後

After 14 years

就開始

Let's get started.

咦

Oh?

將這個東西再寸而放

Put this thing back in place.

得大一點了

Get a little bigger.

那個地方

That place.

社會

Society

文化歷史

Cultural history

其實都是在講一些消失的東西

In fact, it is all about things that have disappeared.

或者我們是不是這樣的

Or are we like this?

應該

should

這個話題是有關係的

This topic is related.

每個人有不同的地方

Everyone has their own differences.

或者社會

Or society

文化歷史

Cultural history

還有我想問

I also want to ask.

你住哪一頭

Which direction do you live in?

住在村裡

Living in the village.

在區分

In differentiation.

新界

New Territories

粉靚那一頭

The one with the beautiful pink hair.

我住西貢

I live in Sai Kung.

我想問問你

I want to ask you.

其實

Actually

在香港

In Hong Kong

其實住九龍

Actually living in Kowloon.

新界城市

New Territories City

還是什麼

What else?

住村屋

Village house

還是住大廈

Still live in an apartment building.

都是香港人而已

They are all just Hong Kong people.

那我

Then I

我不要問了

I don't want to ask anymore.

這件事

This matter.

你說

You said.

其實還有另一個面貌

In fact, there is another side to it.

然後畫出來

Then draw it out.

其實

Actually

不是消失的

Not disappeared.

這些東西還在那裡

These things are still there.

或者是那些婆婆伯伯搬走了

Or perhaps those elderly couples have moved away.

或是不在那裡

Or not being there.

但是那個地

But that land

還在那裡

Still there.

但是剛才說的地是死物

But what I just mentioned is an inanimate object.

那你想告訴人們

Then what do you want to tell people?

什麼東西呢

What is it?

可能是那個關係

It may be related to that.

那個地方好像

That place seems like...

之前說是

It was said earlier.

好像是沒有那個人的存在

It seems that there is no presence of that person.

好像變成了

It seems to have changed into.

我只剩下一個殼在那裡

I only have a shell left there.

而那個感覺就好像

And that feeling is just like

我想賦予一些感情

I want to imbue some emotions.

下去那個地方

Go down to that place.

所以就重新把它畫出來

So I drew it again.

嗯

Sure.

我跟麥思愛說的那件事

The matter I discussed with Mysa.

有點關聯的

Somewhat related.

地方

place

樓宇

Building

其實本身是死物的

It is actually an inanimate object.

但是最重要是有那個人的關聯性

But the most important thing is the relevance of that person.

但是把那個人的關聯性抽走了

But the relevance of that person has been removed.

我覺得是有一種情意結

I think there is a kind of emotional connection.

和那些地方

And those places

就是和那一棟大廈

It's just that building.

因為其實我自己也看他那些畫

Because I also look at his paintings myself.

我覺得是有個幻想的

I think there is a fantasy.

就是對於那個村屋那樣東西

It's about that kind of village house thing.

是很寧靜的

It is very peaceful.

就算是你去到那些位置

Even if you go to those places.

你都會想

You will think about it all.

就是我覺得在他的畫裡面

I just feel that in his paintings.

會感覺到那種寧靜的感覺

You will feel that sense of tranquility.

就是沒有人的

It's just that there is no one.

你覺得

What do you think?

你說是

You said so.

就是沒有人

It's just that there is no one.

他就是這麼寧靜的

He is just so calm.

雖然我真的沒有多深

Although I really don't have much depth.

因為地方沒有了那些人

Because the place no longer has those people.

就是那個地方

It's that place.

就是我一聽

As soon as I heard it.

剛才說的時候

When I just mentioned it.

那些村屋沒有了婆婆在那裡

Those village houses no longer have Grandma there.

那些村屋

Those village houses.

其實是村屋的那一屋

Actually, it's that house in the village.

嗯

Hmm.

就是我是第一個

I am the first one.

很早即時的想法

An idea from a long time ago.

就是我回憶回到

It's just that I recall back to...

看你的狀況

It depends on your situation.

我那時候沒有想那麼深的

I didn't think that deeply at that time.

但是你說的

But what you said

是的

Yes.

就是那一屋的業主不在

It's just that the owner of that house is not present.

就算不在

Even if you are not here.

不是走開了去旅行的那些

It's not those who go away to travel.

真的

Really.

笑身處人家

Smile while being in someone else's place.

我就不想讀了

I just don't want to study anymore.

那我就是

Then I am.

那些物件還有沒有意思呢

Do those objects still have any meaning?

這個

This

希望

Hope

我想你將來都應該有多些機會

I hope you will have more opportunities in the future.

創作給他

Create it for him.

圍繞一下這個話題

Surround this topic a bit.

那我們再講下一件事情

Then let's talk about the next thing.

未來呢

What about the future?

因為接觸剛剛說的這件事情

Because of the recent involvement in this matter.

就接下去了

Just go ahead.

未來有什麼東西想說

What do you want to say about the future?

想創作

Want to create.

或者做什麼

Or do something.

創作人

Creator

未來有什麼好的未來

What good future is there in the future?

或者你們覺得會受到影響的

Or do you think it will be affected?

未必是可以自由創作

Not necessarily free to create.

其次你們有什麼想說

What else would you like to say?

可能是好事呢

It could be a good thing.

我可以先說

I can speak first.

是的

Yes.

我覺得從那個政治來講

I think from a political perspective.

就不能擔心態度

You can't worry about the attitude.

嗯

Hmm.

我覺得不能擔心態度

I think we shouldn't worry about the attitude.

你如果因為這件事情而遷就

If you accommodate because of this matter.

就沒有意思了

Then it is meaningless.

嗯

Hmm

因為你也是那一句

Because you are also that sentence.

Esther剛剛所說的

What Esther just said.

你真的給你一幅畫

You really gave a painting to yourself.

你按什麼都可以

You can press anything.

只不過是他怎麼想而已

It's just how he thinks.

不是你怎麼想

It's not how you think.

我們不用遷就大腿出門

We don't have to accommodate our thighs when going out.

是的

Yes.

所以要小心

So be careful.

但是也要懂得

But you also need to understand.

懂得玩

Know how to play.

要靈巧

Be agile.

我覺得那件事情是要靈巧的

I think that matter requires skillfulness.

聰明要靈巧

Being smart requires being clever.

是的

Yes.

那我自己可以說一點

Then I can say a little by myself.

就是我現在其實

Actually, I am now...

畢業之後

After graduation

我都在一間NGO那裡做

I work at an NGO.

關於宣傳一些社群藝術

Regarding the promotion of some community art.

嗯

Hmm.

我自己覺得在這方面

I personally feel that in this regard.

我是有一點興趣的

I am a little interested.

雖然我在那裡做

Although I was working there.

都要碰很多admin的東西

You have to deal with a lot of admin stuff.

但是我自己的過程

But my own process

都會跟不同的社團

Will interact with different clubs.

他們都是做一些社群藝術的

They all engage in community art.

那我就覺得

Then I feel that...

我就會想做一份工作

I will think about getting a job.

叫工作

Call for work

是跟藝術有關係的

It is related to art.

但是我自己都會繼續去做工作

But I will continue to work myself.

雖然這條路是很難走的

Although this road is very difficult to walk.

很累

Very tired.

我已經試了半年了

I have been trying for six months now.

嗯

Hmm.

我告訴你

I tell you.

這條路是非常容易走

This road is very easy to walk.

你覺得很容易走

You think it's easy to walk.

很累

Very tired.

真的很累

I'm really tired.

很容易走

Very easy to walk.

但是很辛苦

But it's very hard.

很辛苦

Very hard.

很睏

Very sleepy.

我覺得藝術家有很厲害的

I think artists are very impressive.

你覺得藝術家是一個

What do you think an artist is?

我們自己的想法

Our own thoughts.

情感去改變這個世界的人嗎

Is it emotions that change the world?

我沒有那麼偉大

I am not that great.

你是更偉大

You are greater.

那你做什麼

What are you doing?

做什麼

What to do?

那些上班者有些反應而已

Those workers are just reacting somewhat.

他們默默地改變這個世界

They silently change this world.

不知道

I don't know.

我覺得是

I think it is.

你是做藝術

You are doing art.

你就不會走得去哪裡

You won't be able to go anywhere.

就是你的人

It's just you.

對

Yes

所以我說你做不做藝術

So I said, are you doing art or not?

都不是最重要的

None of them are the most important.

你現在到火

You are on fire now.

你到力量

You have the power.

你這樣就是說

What you mean is...

就是有一點點

It's just a little bit.

你不行

You can't do it.

來

Come

所以

So

但

But

我應當讓人感受到

I should make people feel.

你講一句話

You say a word.

走一段路都不一樣

Every journey is different.

嗯

Hmm.

喉嚨氣都不同

The throat air is different.

真的

Really.

你可不可以

Can you?

當你是有這樣的

When you have such a thing.

你知道你不覺得的

You know you don't feel it.

剛才你說的那個是浸漓的

What you just said was dripping wet.

是吧

Is that so?

我們講廣東話很棒的

We speak Cantonese very well.

他說過浸漓

He said it was dripping wet.

你就明白了

You will understand.

不用講得那麼複雜

No need to make it so complicated.

你真的很有感染力

You are really very contagious.

是吧

Is that so?

我想

I want.

我不知道

I don't know.

我也覺得

I also think so.

還有

Also.

我覺得

I think.

聽眾聽到就覺得 其實我們探索自己的過程

When the audience hears it, they actually feel that we are exploring ourselves.

發現了一些東西我想重現

I found something that I want to recreate.

其實很容易引起其他人的共鳴

In fact, it is very easy to resonate with others.

因為人人都有探索自己的歷程

Because everyone has their own journey of exploration.

未必跟美國的歷程一樣 結論也未必一樣

It may not necessarily follow the same path as the United States, and the conclusion may not be the same either.

但是探索那種情感 路程 經歷的苦與樂是一樣的

But exploring that kind of emotion, the journey and the experiences of pain and joy are the same.

還有我們香港人大家關注的東西差不多

There are also things that concern all of us Hong Kong people that are similar.

你們還有沒有未來創作的一些靈感可以分享一下

Do you have any future creative inspirations that you can share?

或者想做些什麼

Or do you want to do something?

靈感啊 暫時沒有一個很清晰的靈感

Inspiration, oh, I don't have a clear inspiration at the moment.

這一批作品我會暫時會繼續做多兩三張

I will temporarily continue to create two or three more pieces in this batch of works.

就是會延續的

It will continue.

是的 會延續的 因為一個印象其實是說不完的

Yes, it will continue, because an impression can never be fully expressed.

我一張畫是說不完的

A single painting cannot be fully expressed in words.

是

Yes

你講九星界也是不同的印象

When you talk about the Nine Star Realm, it gives a different impression.

是的

Yes.

所以

So

我會繼續做下去的

I will continue to do it.

另外我也打算找回之前的作品

I also plan to retrieve my previous works.

再重新再想多一次

Think about it again.

因為我之前的作品其實也是有點相關

Because my previous work is actually somewhat related.

想看看可不可以找回之前的作品

I want to see if I can retrieve my previous works.

再延續

Continue again.

或者會不會和我現在這個作品的概念可以有關係呢

Or could it be related to the concept of my current work?

是的

Yes.

Axel呢

Where's Axel?

你的作品會不會怎樣再延續 再新建下去

Will your work continue and develop in a new way?

最近其實是在想去澳洲讀MFA

Recently, I've actually been thinking about going to Australia to study for an MFA.

嗯 好啊 鼓勵啊

Well, that's good. Encourage!

澳洲是個好地方

Australia is a great place.

你去到那裡自己都會很瘦的了

You will be very thin when you get there.

等一下 你知道澳洲三寶是什麼嗎

Wait a minute, do you know what the "Three Treasures of Australia" are?

肥婆

Fat woman

是的 烏鷹

Yes, the eagle.

肥婆 烏鷹醉酒老媽

Fat woman, drunken old crow mother.

是嗎

Really?

是嗎 沒聽過嗎?

Really? Haven't you heard of it?

澳洲三寶

The Three Treasures of Australia

是的

Yes.

還有你有見過我們之前過來的教授

Have you seen the professors who came here before?

我也是很想帶飯的

I also really want to bring my own meal.

沒有瘦人的

There are no thin people.

史密歐文那邊

On the side of Smi Owen.

沒有瘦人

There are no thin people.

他們不知道聽說的話

They do not know the words they have heard.

不用理他

Don't pay attention to him.

哈哈哈哈

Hahaha

肥婆烏鷹醉了我笑而已

The fat woman owl is drunk, and I'm just laughing.

醉了我笑

I am drunk and laughing.

是的 你們說了四十年就拿個笑話

Yes, you've been talking about it for forty years and just got a joke.

是的

Yes.

還在想

Still thinking.

但是什麼趨勢你覺得是想再讀MFA呢

But what trend do you think makes you want to pursue an MFA again?

即刻啊 甚至是

Right now, even.

我覺得仍然還有不足

I still think there are areas for improvement.

不論是自己的知識上

Regardless of one's own knowledge

不好意思說一句就是香港的教育制度上

I'm sorry to say that regarding Hong Kong's education system...

我直接說吧

I'll say it directly.

文化三寶教育是失敗的

The education of the Three Treasures of Culture is a failure.

我也是失敗的

I am also a failure.

你問問人人和子女有沒有讀書

Ask everyone if they and their children are studying.

過去了

It's over.

讀過讀書 還沒讀過讀書的嗎?

Have you ever read books or not?

你說我好 很好啊

You say I am good, very good indeed.

我覺得高官做得很好啊

I think the high-ranking officials are doing very well.

所以跟他們學習

So learn from them.

我們要去外國讀書

We are going abroad to study.

是的

Yes.

看香港的制度多優勝啊香港人

Look how excellent Hong Kong's system is, Hong Kong people.

我們的小朋友也要

Our little ones also want it.

是的

Yes.

我們沒有資格在香港讀書了

We are no longer qualified to study in Hong Kong.

你要去外國讀書

You want to study abroad.

不適合我們

Not suitable for us.

香港人那麼優良 但是不適合我們

Hong Kong people are so excellent, but they are not suitable for us.

是想看看

Just want to have a look.

家裡有沒有機會讓我過去讀MFA

Is there a chance for me to go home to study for an MFA?

考上學軍

Enrolled in a military school.

家裡經濟能支持就去吧

If the family's finances can support it, then go ahead.

真的

Really.

所以還在談這件事

So we are still discussing this matter.

每天都在談這件事

We talk about this matter every day.

我都覺得是很特別的

I think it's very special.

因為我都做了這麼多年

Because I have been doing this for so many years.

我第一學期到這裡讀藝術

I came here to study art in my first semester.

其實很多人是很少讀完第一個教育

In fact, many people rarely finish their primary education.

接著就去馬上讀藝術

Then I will go on to study art immediately.

是很少的

It is very rare.

很多人是做幾年東西

Many people work on things for a few years.

或者在小時候就有經歷

Or perhaps experienced it in childhood.

讀過藝術不一定跟原本讀書有關聯

Studying art is not necessarily related to the original field of study.

甚至

Even

譬如我聽說有些人讀藝術

For example, I heard that some people study art.

原本就去讀psychology

Originally intended to study psychology.

或者讀philosophy

Or read philosophy.

也好

That's fine.

但是我聽說有些人讀藝術

But I've heard that some people study art.

我聽說有些人讀psychology

I heard that some people study psychology.

也算是有關聯

It can also be considered related.

我還沒聽過讀藝術

I haven't heard of studying art yet.

讀accounting是沒有的

There is no accounting.

你不要讀的話

If you don't want to read it.

你以為我聽說有關聯

You think I heard about the connection.

我也是這樣說的

I also said that.

當工具吧

When it becomes a tool.

反而他讀完master philosophy

On the contrary, he completed his master's in philosophy.

他近年就考一個什麼投資牌

He has been studying for some kind of investment license in recent years.

就像我一樣

Just like me.

就是有的

It just exists.

是很functional的

It is very functional.

functional的東西

functional items

我覺得對藝術家來說沒有難度

I don't think it is difficult for artists.

隨時都可以做的

Can be done anytime.

但是他不是為了做這件事而做

But he didn't do it for the sake of doing this.

如果你說是讀過MFA

If you say you have studied MFA.

或者讀過master

Or have completed a master's degree.

他都是為了想

He is always thinking about it.

再學多點東西

Learn more things.

我覺得很合理的精神

I think it's a very reasonable spirit.

你呢有什麼動向

What about you? What are your plans?

其實剛剛除了廣東職業那個叫動向

Actually, just now, apart from the Guangdong profession, it was called movement.

我自己創作

I create it myself.

我也想

I want to too.

其實我就做ing painting

Actually, I am doing painting.

我就不是研究了很多

I haven't really researched a lot.

很久而已

It's been a long time.

所以我覺得

So I feel that

原來

It turns out.

我覺得反而我有興趣在水墨那裡再玩

I actually feel more interested in playing around with ink wash.

再試一些新東西

Try some new things again.

我會當自己

I will be myself.

我很難

I find it difficult.

我想不到怎樣將那個topic繼續研究下去

I can't think of how to continue researching that topic.

現在我想的反而是

What I'm thinking about now is actually...

研究一下

Research it.

究竟水墨有什麼玩意

What exactly is the essence of ink wash painting?

因為水墨是中國的水墨

Because ink wash is Chinese ink wash.

是ink都不是中國的

It's all ink, not from China.

西洋或者是日本的墨

Western or Japanese ink.

墨這件事

The matter of ink.

我覺得是有些東西是可以再

I think there are some things that can be improved.

要再explore

Need to explore further.

因為對於我

Because for me

RMIC是少接觸水墨

RMIC has less contact with ink and water.

RMIC是這樣說的

RMIC said this.

我又這樣說

I say this again.

這幾年就不同了

These past few years have been different.

以前很注重的就是

What was previously emphasized was

Painting就是

Painting is.

Oil paint或者acrylic都是近Oil paint

Oil paint or acrylic are both similar to oil paint.

因為它RMIC是西方的

Because it is RMIC is Western.

叫做西方的

Called the West.

其實就算

Actually, even if

你嚴格來說

Strictly speaking, you...

我不用東西方的題

I don't need questions from the East and West.

其實是

Actually, it is.

Water based的東西

Water-based items.

Water based的color

Water-based color

即是ink

It is ink.

Gloss

Gloss

Water color

Watercolor

這三樣東西

These three things.

是很重要的

It is very important.

如果你想研究一下

If you want to study it a bit.

水性的東西

Watery things

這個

This one.

我覺得可以

I think it's possible.

透過研究一下

Through some research.

有medium

There is medium.

又可以

It can be done again.

試一下放在不同的創作裏去體驗一下

Try putting it in different creations to experience it.

或者有些新的

Or perhaps some new ones.

力感

Sense of strength

很鼓勵你去試一下

I highly encourage you to give it a try.

好啊

Sure!

我看人家炒家裏面的Gloss

I see others stirring the Gloss at home.

好啊

Sure!

給你吧

I'll give it to you.

我買了家裏都不知道做

I bought something at home that I don't know how to use.

ink是很貴的

Ink is very expensive.

所以我覺得

So I think.

Oil呢

What about the oil?

噴出來做了不用幾天之後

After a few days of it being sprayed out.

找些東西開回來又用得回

Find something to bring back that can be used again.

ink就沒有

There is no ink.

我很喜歡做那天是做一些experiments

I really enjoy doing some experiments that day.

然後之後再加

Then add later.

我自己流行這樣做的

I tend to do it this way myself.

我想想看那個狀態

I'll think about that situation.

好像類似塗胸的狀態

It seems to be a state similar to painting the chest.

因為我都很享受那個過程

Because I really enjoy the process.

Gloss有試過嗎

Have you tried Gloss?

那個沒有

That one doesn't have.

Gloss可以試一下

You can try Gloss.

因為我自己覺得香港人是很少用Gloss的

Because I personally feel that Hong Kong people rarely use gloss.

用就用得很實

Using it is very practical.

很少用啦

I rarely use it.

都沒有什麼老師講的

There is nothing that the teacher has said.

我見其實很多

I actually see a lot.

就算你看回

Even if you look back

不久之前我被舉例

Not long ago, I was given as an example.

Gustav Klimt

Gustav Klimt

或者是Egon Scheer

Or it could be Egon Scheer.

他們是用很多Gloss

They use a lot of gloss.

Watercolour或者Mix medium

Watercolour or mixed media

他們是會用很多Water based的東西

They will use a lot of water-based products.

他們一畫一些不透明的東西

They painted something opaque.

他們就會Gloss

They will just Gloss.

他們的狗都會用Gloss

Their dogs can all use Gloss.

我覺得Gloss在

I think Gloss is...

不知為何亞洲人是少用的

I don't know why Asians are used less often.

日本人都是用ink的

Japanese people all use ink.

韓國人都是用ink多

Koreans mostly use ink.

我覺得可以提一下

I think it can be mentioned.

我覺得Gloss跟ink的mix是一個

I think the mix of gloss and ink is a...

很有趣的

Very interesting.

他們的視覺上都有趣的東西

They all have interesting things visually.

概念的東西

Conceptual things.

就讓你們想想

Just let you think about it.

我沒有這些概念

I don't have these concepts.

下一位

Next one.

你還有什麼想法

What other thoughts do you have?

我想繼續回家的

I want to continue going home.

可能找其他新的信心

May find other new confidence.

在建築物上

On the building.

香港建築物

Hong Kong buildings

有沒有想過其他地方建築物

Have you ever thought about buildings in other places?

都有的

They all have it.

再看看

Take another look.

可能外國的

It may be foreign.

建築物

Building

再可以再探索多一點

You can explore a bit more.

不同的建築物

Different buildings

我自己其實很有興趣想知道

I am actually very interested to know myself.

如果他用他自己的Colour palette

If he uses his own colour palette.

放在一些在中環的樓

Put in some buildings in Central.

或者在公屋宿位樓會怎麼樣

Or what would happen in the public housing unit?

你們就Crossover一下

You guys just do a Crossover.

我會想知道

I would like to know.

可能不知道

Maybe they don't know.

你看看你怎樣

Look at how you are.

可能會有興趣研究

May be interested in research.

好像玩具

Looks like a toy.

這個我又可以這樣說

I can say it this way again.

在做視覺藝術的人是比較少Crossover的

There are fewer people in visual arts who crossover.

跟合作是少的

Collaboration is rare.

例如電影面劇

For example, movies and plays.

但做Performance Art的人是多合作的

But those who do Performance Art are very collaborative.

做Painting

Do painting.

做Ceramics

Make ceramics.

那你真的很過癮

Then you really enjoy it.

之前有些展覽是兩位Artists做一件Work

Previously, there were some exhibitions where two artists collaborated on one work.

不過是吵架中場

It's just a mid-point in an argument.

Artists是很有性格的人

Artists are very charismatic people.

太有性格

So full of character.

差不多了

Almost done.

大家還有什麼想跟聽眾說的

Is there anything else you want to say to the audience?

或者是跟朋友

Or maybe with friends.

或者其他做藝術的人

Or other people who make art.

你的良師益友

Your good teacher and helpful friend.

說一下

Say it.

個人的東西都可以

Personal belongings are all fine.

你就跟媽媽說

Just tell mom.

做藝術有前途的

There is a future in doing art.

記得付錢

Remember to pay.

我們在觀塘有一個Studio

We have a studio in Kwun Tong.

Studio也頗多人

The studio also has quite a few people.

也在計劃可能下年6月就會搞一個

There are also plans to possibly have one in June next year.

Group Exhibition的

Group Exhibition

就是也想

I also want to.

大家畢業之後就不要放棄這件事

After everyone graduates, don’t give up on this matter.

也想有些動力

Also want to have some motivation.

想找一些動力

I want to find some motivation.

逼自己繼續做

Push yourself to keep going.

先開了個頭

I made a start.

好

Good.

你想讀Art就去

If you want to study Art, go ahead.

不要想太多

Don't overthink it.

一想了

I thought about it.

你又燈了一年

You've lit up for another year.

是

Yes

我也鼓勵朋友

I also encourage my friends.

做多點創作

Do more creation.

創作

Creation

學習藝術這件事

The matter of learning art

我覺得

I think.

令人有視野

Eye-opening

思考方式

Thinking method

在面對這個世界有很多事情

There are many things to face in this world.

你會有很不同的想法

You will have very different thoughts.

當你想不到讀什麼的時候就讀Art

When you don’t know what to study, just study Art.

你又不想說話的時候就讀Art

When you don't want to talk again, just read Art.

你又不想背書就讀Art

You don't want to memorize, so you study Art.

但也不是吃的

But it's also not something to eat.

那又不是吃的

That's not something to eat.

我沒有說要吃的

I didn't say I wanted to eat.

一點都不容易的

Not easy at all.

是有的

Yes, there is.

說開一點點情意結

Talking a little about emotional attachment.

當然剛剛讀了中學

Of course, I just finished middle school.

如果你們喜歡去BU

If you like to go to BU.

CU

CU

不妨礙你們

Don't let it hinder you.

就去吧

Just go.

我只對RMAT

I am only interested in RMAT.

香港Art School有一點情意結

Hong Kong Art School has a bit of an emotional connection.

我就是在space讀完certificate就去

I will go right after completing the certificate at Space.

我沒有讀high dip

I have not read high dip.

沒有想過在那讀MFA

Never thought about studying MFA there.

事實的

factual

我有時

Sometimes I do.

直白一點的說

To put it bluntly.

其實在一個比較簡陋的環境之下

Actually, in a relatively simple environment.

出來的東西是

What comes out is

大家的藝術這麼多年的創作者

The creators of everyone's art for so many years.

就算今天他做藝術也好

Even if he does art today.

做藝術也好

Doing art is also good.

這些東西都是

These things are all...

有他的特色

Has its own characteristics.

有那股味道

There is that smell.

我覺得就

I think it's just.

還有我剛才聽你們說的

I also just heard what you said.

八個人 十個人

Eight people, ten people.

九個人

Nine people

其實我們那時候也是發覺

Actually, we also realized at that time.

如果那時候

If at that time

不妨礙

No obstruction.

做幾年也是的

It also takes a few years.

如果一開始合租studio的人

If the person sharing the studio at the beginning

是會一直生下去的

It will continue to be born.

就是不會停了的

It just won't stop.

是很奇怪的

It is very strange.

就算不做創作

Even if I don’t create.

就像我這樣可能比較少做創作

It might be less common for someone like me to engage in creative work.

但是我對這個東西是

But I am not interested in this thing.

又是一直練結結的

It’s been a continuous practice of tying knots again.

不停地做創作

Constantly creating.

都鼓勵你做創作

They all encourage you to create.

有些人想問什麼問題

Some people want to ask what questions.

想認識什麼人

What kind of people do you want to meet?

想找誰

Who are you looking for?

你可能知道危險很小

You might know that the danger is very small.

問三個就找到理想的那個人

Ask three questions and you'll find the ideal person.

我覺得

I think.

你說死酷一點

You said it would be cooler to die a bit.

一個network也很重要的嘛

A network is also very important.

人已經不多了

There aren't many people left.

大家是

Everyone is

很獨立的話

Very independent.

我覺得這件事很難去

I think it's very difficult to do this.

發揮

Bring into play

很多人

Many people

大家想分享自己創作歷程

Everyone wants to share their creative journey.

或者過日感受的東西

Or the things we feel while living day by day.

是難的

It is difficult.

你更加

You are more.

更加難認識人

Even harder to get to know people.

你不如在你的山洞裏做創作

You might as well create in your cave.

多藝術家來的

Many artists are coming.

沒有人在你的山洞裏做創作

No one is creating in your cave.

那些都是藝術家來的

Those all come from artists.

John呢

Where's John?

John有什麼補充

What additional comments does John have?

不只多做創作

Not only create more works.

多多跟朋友一起

Spend more time with friends.

John在室內做的幫助真的很大

John's help indoors has been really great.

不過有時我見到那時我畢業的同學是怎樣的呢

However, sometimes I wonder what my classmates from that time are like now that I have graduated.

一畢業就被一些gallery收買了

I was bought by some galleries right after graduation.

那些同學就是等於

Those classmates are equal to.

一讀完書去了工廠炸工

I went to the factory to work as soon as I finished reading.

什麼書都一樣

It’s the same with any book.

關於做藝術的事

About making art.

一讀完書入了學位

Once you finish your studies, you will obtain a degree.

不斷地走機

Constantly walking the machine.

就是這樣

That's it.

路向是很多不同的

There are many different directions.

我覺得是

I think it is.

人

Person

人是活的

People are alive.

做藝術家你肯定覺得

Being an artist, you must feel...

或者做創作

Or create something.

你會

You can.

覺得自己真是有活著那種生命力的

I feel that I truly have that kind of vitality of life.

不是死於一條

Not dying from one.

沒有夢想

No dreams.

沒有創作來過

Hasn't created anything before.

死於一條

Died from a line.

今天差不多了

Today is almost over.

多謝大家

Thank you everyone.

大家多多收聽

Everyone, please listen more.

將這集分享開去

Share this episode.

多謝大家

Thank you, everyone.

拜拜

Goodbye