「攝影情報室」Tamron全新28-300mm及50-300mm天涯鏡評價 #Tamron #天涯鏡頭 #Sony

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Hello everyone, welcome back to a new episode of Photography Information Room.

我是你的主持人艾倫

I am your host, Allen.

剛剛病了兩個星期

Just fell ill for two weeks.

所以聲音和狀態都不太好

So the sound and condition are not very good.

所以決定了募錄節目

So it has been decided to hold a recruitment show.

希望大家不要介意

I hope everyone doesn't mind.

希望接下來這個星期之後

I hope after this coming week.

又到暑假完結之前

It's that time again before the summer vacation ends.

希望能做得更密切

Hope to work more closely.

想和我的聽眾分享

I want to share with my audience.

所有最近新出的攝影器材

All the newly released photography equipment.

以及我自己的看法

And my own perspective.

病了兩個星期

Sick for two weeks.

為了市場上比較有觸目的產品

In order to have more eye-catching products in the market.

是騰龍的28-300

It is the Tamron 28-300.

一支天拿鏡

A can of spray paint.

香港人首先會覺得光圈比較小

Hong Kong people will first feel that the aperture is smaller.

這次是4-7.1

This time is 4-7.1.

而舊作28-200是2.8-5.6

The old model 28-200 is 2.8-5.6.

老實說很合理

Honestly, it makes a lot of sense.

如果再比較和近來推出的天拿鏡

If compared to the recently launched Tanaka mirror.

例如Likon的28-400Z

For example, Likon's 28-400Z.

基本上是4-8的

Basically, it's 4 to 8.

其實光圈差不多

Actually, the aperture is about the same.

但Likon的體積還要大很多

But Likon is much bigger in size.

我個人覺得這支28-300騰龍的天拿鏡

I personally think this 28-300 Tamron lens is great.

4-7.1 A074

4-7.1 A074

它整支鏡本身都能保持28-200的體積

The entire lens itself can maintain a volume of 28-200.

另外加上VC

In addition, add VC.

是比較有用的功能

It is a more useful feature.

所以也是很值得升級的

So it's definitely worth upgrading.

我未說之前的

I didn't say before.

我看外面的價格

I am looking at the prices outside.

原來這次定購價大約$6000

It turns out that the ordered price this time is around $6000.

原來28-200外面都是$5000

It turns out that everything outside of the 28-200 costs $5000.

其實是相差$500的價錢

Actually, the price difference is $500.

我覺得這些位置不要節省

I think we shouldn't skimp on these positions.

如果你是未買天拿鏡的話

If you haven't bought the telescope.

200和300始終是有點距離的

There is always a bit of distance between 200 and 300.

我看另一樣東西

I see something else.

我個人覺得

I personally think.

你會不會想

Will you think about it?

所有天拿鏡的質素當然不是太好

The quality of all the tin mirrors is of course not very good.

但又不是

But it's not.

看回300mm的NTF都是中規中矩

Looking back at the 300mm NTF, it is quite standard.

所以28mm的時候NTF的表現都不錯

So the performance of NTF at 28mm is quite good.

所以如果其實你會用

So if you actually know how to use it.

加防震

Add seismic protection.

或者可能某些情況下再修一兩級光圈

Or it may be necessary to adjust the aperture by one or two stops in certain situations.

在乾的情況下用

Use it in a dry situation.

天拿鏡其實是一個挺好的選擇

A handheld mirror is actually a pretty good choice.

因為跟以前單反的年代有些不同

Because it's somewhat different from the era of DSLR cameras in the past.

就是你的ISO的表現

It's just the performance of your ISO.

現在的機是好很多很多的

The current machines are much better.

所以你可以放大到ISO88

So you can zoom in to ISO 88.

ISO1600的影

ISO 1600 shadow

其實光圈的問題就不是很大問題

Actually, the issue with the aperture is not a big problem.

當然大家都會批評

Of course, everyone will criticize.

可能天拿一直做出來的鏡頭的散景都不太好

The bokeh effect from the lenses made by Tianna might not be very good.

最主要可能是天拿的鏡片

The main reason might be the lens of the camera.

設計師的鏡片對於鏡片排列

The designer's lenses regarding the arrangement of lenses.

可能有自己讀到的看法

There may be views that one reads about on their own.

因為有時候你要散景好

Because sometimes you want a good bokeh effect.

可能有些其他東西會犧牲

Some other things may be sacrificed.

例如邊位和中央的解張量

For example, the strain tensors at the edges and in the center.

但我自己個人覺得

But personally, I feel that...

有一個好處就是

One advantage is that

例如它有67mm的鏡頭

For example, it has a 67mm lens.

是很一致的

It is very consistent.

很多鏡頭都是用67mm的鏡頭

Many shots are taken with a 67mm lens.

不是很大支

Not very big.

輕便一點

Make it a bit more convenient.

還有防震比較強

It also has stronger shock resistance.

另外使用起來性價比是OK的

In addition, the cost-effectiveness is okay when using it.

你見以前其實

You actually saw it before.

另一間對面廠SIGMA都會出天拿鏡

The other factory across, SIGMA, will also produce telephoto lenses.

28-300

28-300

但出出下其實到單反後期的末代

But in fact, it was the final phase of the DSLR era.

你見SIGMA都很少出這麼高倍數的鏡

You rarely see SIGMA produce such high magnification lenses.

你證明其實

You prove that in fact.

在這個範疇來講

In this regard.

其實騰龍都算是No.1

In fact, Tenglong can be considered No. 1.

市面上我知道很多天拿鏡

I know there are many types of heavenly mirrors on the market.

早代的天拿鏡

Early vintage mirror

其實很多時候都是用騰龍OEN幫它做的

In fact, it is often done using the Tenglong OEN.

即使那個品牌是掛在其他公司的品牌

Even if that brand is attached to another company's brand.

所以其實本身很多天拿鏡

So there are actually many Tianan mirrors.

如果買天拿鏡來講

If we're talking about buying a telescope.

其實騰龍的經驗都不錯

Actually, the experience with Tenglong has been quite good.

但是我想講這次的節目

But I want to talk about this program.

另一集講另一件事就是

The other episode talks about another thing, which is…

我發覺近來其實有兩個方案都蠻好的

I've realized that there are actually two quite good options lately.

即騰龍的方向

The direction of the soaring dragon.

就是講回這個5300

Just to talk about this 5300 again.

5300

5300

還有5400

There are still 5400.

那麼

Then.

5300在

5300 is present.

即是用意最初想取代7300

The original intention was to replace the 7300.

那麼在E-Mind那邊應該取代得到

Then it should be replaceable on the E-Mind side.

完全將舊的騰龍自己的7300打走了

Completely drove away the old Tenglong's own 7300.

那麼5300呢

What about 5300?

有些人就會真的覺得好用

Some people will really feel that it is useful.

因為完全是

Because it is completely.

真的

Really.

過賭由標準

Gambling is governed by standards.

直到

Until

中望遠

Mid-range望远

都可以覆蓋

All can be covered.

還有質素又不錯

The quality is also quite good.

所以變得都OK

So it all becomes okay.

那變得很多時候你

That becomes many times you.

這類型的

this type of

我叫做第二類的天拿鏡

My name is Second-Class Tian Najiang.

你可能夾騰龍的17-50

You might be driving a Tenglong 17-50.

又或者17-

Or 17-

即不一定是騰龍

It doesn't necessarily mean it's the soaring dragon.

可能是Sony16-35

It might be the Sony 16-35.

再加50-300

Add 50-300 more.

那麼兩支鏡去到一半了

Then the two mirrors have reached halfway.

那麼另外呢

Then what about the other one?

即是也都

That is also.

不重

Not heavy.

那招去了

That move has been eliminated.

變得其實你拍攝上來

It actually becomes what you shoot.

和用起來的機會大了很多

And the chances of usage have increased significantly.

還有新的鏡呢

There are new mirrors too.

介攝能力好了很多

The ability to intervene has improved a lot.

那變得拍特寫

That becomes a close-up shot.

拍遠攝的東西

Take photos of distant objects.

是真的會有效了很多

It really will be much more effective.

我估計

I estimate.

其實有兩個

Actually, there are two.

有兩個取向

There are two orientations.

在SonyE-Mind那邊

At Sony E-Mind.

它有28-200

It has 28-200.

那麼28-200它沒有說停產

Then the 28-200 hasn't been said to be discontinued.

那麼可能28-200和28-300

Then possibly 28-200 and 28-300.

同一時間平衡

Balance at the same time

這樣賣一段時間

Sell like this for a period of time.

那麼到最終

So, in the end

可能28-300取代回28-200

It is possible that 28-300 will replace 28-200.

視乎那個零件

It depends on that part.

以及組件

and components

值幾十至九

Value between tens and nine.

因為其實老實說

Because to be honest

廠其實可能做了很多不同的零件出來

The factory may actually have produced many different parts.

要到某一支鏡賣到七七八八

Once a certain lens sells out, it's nearly sold out.

賣了

Sold.

大家又覺得應該是

Everyone thinks it should be.

沒得賣的時間

Time when there's nothing to sell.

它還在賣

It is still for sale.

就可能是要賣零件的問題

It might be an issue of selling parts.

那麼就

Then let's go.

是

Yes

即

Immediately

現在變得在Sony來講

Now it has become a matter for Sony.

其實你的選擇很簡單

Actually, your choice is very simple.

28-300

28-300

28-200

28-200

你喜歡大光圈的

Do you like a large aperture?

或者一個質素好的

Or a good quality one.

就28-200

Just 28-200.

那麼

Then.

喜歡整體的平衡表現

Like the overall balanced performance.

例如是

For example, it is.

不太重

Not too heavy.

防震

Seismic protection

支鏡又比較輕巧

The support mirror is also relatively lightweight.

微距放大量也都不錯的

The macro magnification is also quite good.

那麼28-300新的會適合你

Then the new 28-300 will suit you.

但是我自己個人覺得

But personally, I think...

騰龍17-50

Tenglong 17-50

加50-300

Add 50-300.

甚至如果你是

Even if you are

歷史

History

大力一點

A little harder.

慢慢50-400

Slowly 50-400

那麼其實這類型的

So actually this type of

新的第二類的天拿鏡

New type two telescope.

即使你說到石斑那邊

Even if you mention over by the grouper.

都是有市場的

There is a market for all of them.

那麼我估計

Then I estimate that...

其實騰龍很快會在

Actually, Teng Long will be here soon.

即是Nikon Z1那邊

That is the Nikon Z1 side.

可能會出50-300

It may be between 50 to 300.

或者50-400

Or 50-400.

那麼大家不知道喜歡哪一支

So, does everyone not know which one they like?

那麼我個人覺得就是

Then I personally think that...

如果Nikon來講

If we're talking about Nikon.

其實可能50-300

Actually, it might be 50-300.

50-400

50-400

都有市場

There is a market for everything.

首先第一樣

First of all, the first thing.

只要它沒有跟Nikon

As long as it doesn't involve Nikon.

本身Z1的鏡撞

The mirror collision of the Z1 itself.

那麼另外第二樣

Then the second thing is...

就是輕巧

It's just lightweight.

大部分的鏡

Most mirrors

做得比Nikon的

Better than Nikon.

原裝版的輕巧

Original version's lightweight.

第三樣東西就是

The third thing is...

就是本身整支鏡

It's just the whole mirror itself.

當然有個缺點的

Of course, there is a drawback.

用不到Nikon原裝的

Not useful for the original Nikon.

1.4加2X

1.4 plus 2X

真是它鏡的

It really is a mirror.

但是呢

But...

你基本上

You basically.

即是如果你說在

That is, if you say in

Nikon那邊Z1

Nikon over there Z1

變了

Changed.

價錢的選擇會比較多很多

There will be many more options for prices.

因為你本身真的50-400

Because you are really 50-400.

50-300

50-300

都是一個

It's all one.

即是萬元樓下的

It is under ten thousand yuan.

有錢找的鏡頭

A lens that can be found with money.

還有成價比也挺高

The price-performance ratio is quite high as well.

所以我覺得

So I think.

都是一個新的趨勢

It's all a new trend.

都是OK的

It's all okay.

那麼最近

So recently.

也有一個比較有趣的傳聞

There is also a more interesting rumor.

就說騰龍會出28-100

It is said that the Longteng will produce 28-100.

那麼2.8行定乾圈

Then 2.8 lines set the dry circle.

那麼我就聽了

Then I will listen.

首先第一樣東西

First of all, the first thing.

就是如果這樣一出的話

That is, if it comes out like this.

這支鏡肯定是

This mirror must be

就是

It is.

我

I

首先我先打一個消息

First, let me send a message.

我作為一個業界的

As an industry professional

都挺準的估計者

They are all quite accurate estimators.

我估這支鏡應該是出不到的

I estimate this lens should not be released.

那麼

Then

因為真的出起來

Because it really came out.

會成本很高

The cost will be very high.

騰龍都會有個考慮

The Dragon City will have a consideration.

會不會真的受歡迎呢

Will it really be popular?

其實現在產品的周期

In fact, the product cycle now

是比以前短很多很多

It is much shorter than before.

即是如果你的產品一個不成功

That means if one of your products is not successful.

其實是很容易令到廠商

Actually, it is very easy for manufacturers.

那個財政狀況

That financial situation.

是突然間由好變差

It suddenly changed from good to bad.

由差變好

From bad to good.

即是說前一兩年的例子

That means the examples from one or two years ago.

大家都看到

Everyone can see.

所以現在每一次去計劃

So now every time I plan

一些不同的焦距

Some different focal lengths.

你見到很多廠都會很小心

You see that many factories are very careful.

即是你見SIGMA

It's just that you see SIGMA.

現在開始不做天籟鏡

I will no longer make the Tianlai mirror starting now.

因為發覺不夠隔離的

Because I realized it wasn't isolated enough.

隔離的廠組

Isolated factory unit

另外就是定焦鏡

In addition, it's a prime lens.

迫碼鏡也做少了

The forced mirror is also made less.

因為發覺原來市場已經開始不喜歡

Because I realized that the market has started to dislike it.

這些41.4的舉重鏡

These 41.4 weightlifting mirrors.

或超過1KG重量的鏡

Mirror weighing 1KG or more.

而新的那支它全

And the new one is completely...

28-10

28-10

82mm filter

82mm filter

那麼

Then

大概1KG左右

Approximately 1 KG.

其實在光學物理設計上

In fact, in optical physics design

新的設計是OK的

The new design is okay.

其實是等於用以前的

It is actually equivalent to using the previous one.

24-70mm

24-70mm

將後組或中間的鏡組

The rear group or the middle group of lenses.

去加闊它

Go broaden it.

去做一個extension

Go make an extension.

可以將70mm的焦距延伸到

It can extend the focal length to 70mm.

105mm的焦距

105mm focal length

而保持2.8mm

And maintain 2.8mm.

但因為是2.8mm

But because it is 2.8mm.

所以要去到82mm口徑

So we need to go to an 82mm diameter.

所以整支鏡都很大支

So the whole lens is quite large.

我估計

I estimate.

粗度和肥度

Roughness and thickness.

應該和騰龍的35-150mm差不多

It should be similar to the Tamron 35-150mm.

但騰龍的35-150mm

But the Tamron 35-150mm.

是去到150mm

It goes up to 150mm.

也不差的

Not bad either.

所以就是

So it is.

你問我

You ask me.

最終兩支鏡出來

The final two mirrors came out.

旗鼓相當

Evenly matched.

可能SIGMA都是贏28至

It is possible that SIGMA has a win of 28 to.

28和35之間的分別

The difference between 28 and 35.

但是28和35之間的分別

But the difference between 28 and 35.

又不是很大

It's not that big.

老實說

Honestly speaking

你問我

You ask me.

我寧願愛這個情況

I would rather love this situation.

我寧願愛後面105-150mm

I would rather love the 105-150mm at the back.

所以兩支鏡

So two mirrors.

做出來都是分庭案例

All the cases produced are split court cases.

但是剛才說的

But what I just said

騰龍那支28至182.8mm

The Tamron 28 to 182.8mm.

是否做得到呢

Is it possible to do it?

其實就有一點

Actually, there is a little bit.

我覺得可能性不大

I think the possibility is low.

當然你說不是

Of course you say it's not.

Irona 70180

Irona 70180

騰龍都做得很細緻

The dragon is crafted very delicately.

但是當你再把焦距延伸

But when you extend the focal length again

到28mm的時候

When it reaches 28mm

我覺得騰龍這次就很難

I think it will be very difficult for Tenglong this time.

把鏡頭的直徑和濾鏡

The diameter of the lens and the filter.

保持在67mm之下了

Kept it below 67mm.

這次可能真的

This time it might really be.

騰龍都要變回

The dragon must transform back.

77或者82mm

77 or 82mm

甚至87mm

Even 87mm

再上一層的方式

A higher level of approach.

還有現行的VXD摩打

There is also the current VXD motor.

可不可以推到這麼重的鏡片呢

Is it possible to push such heavy lenses?

還有騰龍有沒有這樣的技術

Does Tenglong have such technology?

可以在整段的焦距裡面做得到

It can be done within the entire focal length.

很完美的

Very perfect.

也很令人信服的鏡

Also a very convincing mirror.

其實大家

Actually, everyone

即是

That is.

好心自問

Kind-hearted self-questioning.

35-150

35-150

成功的原因是

The reason for success is

因為這支鏡頭的

Because of this lens's

基本水準是很平均的

The basic level is very uniform.

所以很多人用起來之後

So many people, after using it,

就覺得很喜歡

Just feel like I really like it.

在Zoom鏡頭來說

In terms of the Zoom camera

其實它是一個很好的鏡頭

Actually, it is a very good lens.

但是再延伸到

But further extended to

兩邊都可以這樣加上去

Both sides can be added this way.

是否做得到呢

Is it possible to do it?

我覺得暫時應該未必有這麼快

I don't think it will be that quick for the time being.

但是肯定的就是

But what is certain is that

SIGMA 28-105 f2.8

SIGMA 28-105 f2.8

應該可以出到的

It should be possible to get out.

但是因為這支鏡頭又不是很特別

But this lens is not very special.

所以我覺得除非它要做得很好

So I think unless it is going to do very well.

甚至是Arch系列

Even the Arch series.

如果不是Arch系列或是Sport系列

If it's not the Arch series or the Sport series.

大家可能真的要看試用報告

Everyone may really need to look at the trial report.

才知道好不好

Only then do I know if it's good or not.

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