落馬洲科技園地盤斷吊臂五工人受傷

聲音更立體 意見更多元 自由風 自由風

Sound is more three-dimensional, opinions are more diverse, free wind, free wind.

我們在另一個環節討論一些工業的事件

We discussed some industrial events in another session.

昨天落馬洲科技園地盤斷了調備

Yesterday, the construction site at Lok Ma Chau Technology Park had a power outage.

5個工人受傷

Five workers were injured.

不如我們請來工業傷亡權益會總幹事蕭時民

Why don't we invite the Secretary General of the Industrial Injury Rights Association, Siu Shih-man?

你好 蕭時民

Hello, Xiao Shimin.

兩位主持好

Hello to the two hosts.

蕭時民你好

Hello, Xiao Shimin.

大家都會關注的

Everyone will pay attention to it.

最重要是為什麼會發生

The most important thing is why it happened.

雖然都要調查

Although it's all going to be investigated.

另一方面就是工人

On the other hand, it is the workers.

這類的工人其實他們現在的關注和跟進夠不夠

These workers' current attention and follow-up are actually sufficient, aren't they?

講了第一樣大家關注的事就是意外原因

The first thing everyone is concerned about is the reason for the accident.

我也很關注

I am also very concerned.

但是其實由昨天出事之後

But actually, since the incident happened yesterday.

我們不斷地問不同的人或者業界

We keep asking different people or industries.

其實都沒有人講到究竟發生什麼事

Actually, no one has mentioned what exactly happened.

現在可能比較清晰的一件事

One thing that may be clearer now.

只是說那個調機

Just saying that the tuning machine.

的調備掉了出來

The preparation fell out.

究竟什麼原因掉了

What was the reason for the drop?

可能Vincent你可能更清楚

Maybe Vincent, you might know better.

我不是這個界別的

I am not in this field.

但是是不是關於一些基點故障各樣

But isn't it about some fundamental failures and various issues?

其實真的要有待調查

It really needs to be investigated.

回到那個問題就是

Returning to that question, it is...

我們自己有些不滿的就是

What we are somewhat dissatisfied with is

為什麼每一次意外發生

Why does every accident happen?

相關部門 政府也好 業主也好

Relevant departments, whether the government or the property owners.

成建商也好

Whether it's a property developer or not.

為什麼不主動去公佈一些初步的調查結果呢

Why not take the initiative to announce some preliminary investigation results?

讓大家去估估一下

Let everyone take a guess.

大家討論這麼多其實有沒有一個

Everyone discusses so much, but is there actually one?

有沒有對這件事有幫助呢

Is there any help regarding this matter?

在那個意外原因上面

On that unexpected reason.

我不知道

I don't know.

因為勞工處有沒有初步的一些說法

Because the Labor Department has not provided any preliminary statements.

因為可能有一些的僱主

Because there may be some employers.

或者是相關人士都覺得需要確定了

Or perhaps the relevant parties all feel that confirmation is needed.

才夠膽講

Only daring to speak.

因為都有很多法律責任

Because there are many legal responsibilities.

我理解的

I understand.

不過公開多一些

However, be more open.

讓大家的家屬有時候都知道發生什麼事

Let everyone’s family members sometimes know what is happening.

或者在工地工作的人都知道環境是怎樣

Or perhaps those who work on construction sites know what the environment is like.

按道理都是應該是

According to reason, it should all be...

是正面的

It is positive.

是 我覺得可能可以是初步的資料來的

Yes, I think it could be preliminary data.

我就回顧一下其實近年這些

I will just review these in recent years.

譬如臨天秤 臨屏幕這些

For example, being close to the Libra or being close to the screen.

其實都可以很早已經有一些的發佈

In fact, there could have been some releases quite early on.

是一個很初步的訊息

It is a very preliminary message.

讓我們知道

Let us know.

甚至更加需要的是業界

What is even more needed is the industry.

因為他們還在使用這些儀器的時候

Because they are still using these instruments.

有什麼東西要更加注意呢

What else should we pay more attention to?

但是如果就這樣很概略地說

But if we were to say it very generally like this,

就是說是不是一個

It means "Is it one?"

在那個基建故障上面

On that infrastructure failure.

沒有發現到

Did not find out.

之前有沒有根據法例去做定期的檢查

Have there been regular inspections conducted in accordance with the law before?

維修保養

Maintenance and repair.

或者使用前有沒有做一些測試

Have any tests been conducted before use?

這個是要相關部門要釋出

This needs to be released by the relevant departments.

沒錯

That's right.

我反過來另一角度

I approach it from another angle.

我想意外原因需要確定

I want to determine the cause of the incident.

還有大家要知道

There is also something everyone should know.

還有有跟進一些技術上的預防工作

There are also follow-up technical preventive measures.

但是反過來就是有意外發生

But on the flip side, unexpected things can happen.

大家都不想

Everyone doesn't want to.

但是坦白說總會有的

But to be honest, it will always be there.

只不過嚴重與輕微一點

It's just a matter of severity, whether it's serious or mild.

其實看回過去的

In fact, looking back at the past.

這麼多年來我們工業意外

Over the years, we have had industrial accidents.

你覺得地盤的層面本身

What do you think about the aspect of the territory itself?

對工友自己的組織

To the organization of workers themselves.

或者信息溝通

Or information communication.

你覺得有沒有改進做

Do you think there is room for improvement?

還有工友對於安全上面的一個意識

There is also a consciousness among workers regarding safety.

總體來說

Overall

是不是都已經有提升

Hasn't there already been an improvement?

還是還是有些位置

There are still some places.

你覺得看到有很大的空洞呢

What do you think about seeing a large void?

我覺得安全意識

I think safety awareness.

很多時候都說不是單方面的

It is often said that it is not one-sided.

我相信大家都同意

I believe everyone agrees.

其實是一環扣一環

It is actually a chain reaction.

如果以一些意外來講

If we talk about some unexpected events.

譬如這一類

For example, this kind.

其實所有工友完全不關他們事

In fact, it has nothing to do with all the workers.

是

Yes.

純粹是

Purely是。

突然有東西塌下來

Suddenly, something collapsed.

這種其實他們是

This kind of thing is actually them.

他們被指示去某個地方做事

They were instructed to go to a certain place to do work.

他們也控制不了

They also can't control it.

但是如果其他意外的情況

But if other unexpected situations occur

是可能關他們事

It may be related to them.

假設是沒有戴安全帶

Assuming not wearing a seatbelt.

沒有戴扣繩

Did not wear a strap.

那些就是關乎工人的安全意識

Those are related to the safety awareness of workers.

是

Yes

見到就算提升

Seeing is already an improvement.

那個速度都極慢

That speed is extremely slow.

那麼

Then.

不理想

Not ideal.

但是我覺得

But I think

如果既然

If that's the case

在這件事不理想

This matter is not ideal.

其實反映了第一就是

In fact, it reflects that the first is

我們作為管理者

As managers

又沒有監管

There is no regulation again.

如果見到一些危險行為

If you encounter some dangerous behavior.

應該要出聲

One should speak up.

另外就是那個教育

Additionally, it's about that education.

安全教育應該要早一點做

Safety education should be done a little earlier.

沒錯

That's right.

我本身自己可能都安全意識不足

I may not have enough safety awareness myself.

未必是他們不想做

It may not be that they don't want to do it.

或者他們一步步都不知道

Or maybe they don't know step by step.

這樣是危險

This is dangerous.

那應該這些要早一點讓他們知道

Then they should be informed about these things earlier.

這個是

This is

我理解了

I understand.

建築界

Architecture industry

我們剛才

We just now

待會看能不能回到

Let's see if we can go back later.

蕭時民他斷了線

Xiao Shimin has cut the line.

其實政府都推出了一系列的措施

In fact, the government has introduced a series of measures.

很多安全

Very safe.

包括了整個建築

Includes the entire building.

發展局都加強了對成建商的規管

The Development Bureau has also strengthened its regulation of construction companies.

其實我聽

Actually, I am listening.

如果你都是業內人士

If you are all insiders in the industry.

其實是不是政府都做了一點

Actually, didn't the government do a little bit?

其實是很多的

Actually, there are many.

在教育其實不同層面都有說

In education, there are actually discussions on different levels.

尤其是都推了這個工地安全管理

Especially since this construction site safety management has been promoted.

甚至乎要電子化的

Even needs to be digitized.

希望可以跟進得更好

I hope we can follow up better.

但是可能始終這個是一個程序

But it may always be a process.

有改善

There is improvement.

但是有些很多實際上的

But there are many practical ones.

譬如硬件上面是不是監管得夠

For example, is the regulation on hardware sufficient?

還有工人始終都會在個別時間

There will always be workers at specific times.

會不會都有少少所忿

"Could it be that there is a little bit of resentment?"

我們下一位接番

We are next in line.

沒錯我們找回工業商學會

That's right, we have regained the Industrial and Commercial Association.

會做改善蕭時民

Xiao Shimin will make improvements.

不要緊

It's okay.

我們剛才就說

We just said.

政府不是沒有做事

The government is not doing nothing.

都有一系列的措施

There are a series of measures.

包括了職安建修例

Including the Occupational Safety and Health (Construction) Amendment Regulations.

發展局加強了對成建商的規管等等

The Development Bureau has strengthened the regulation of property developers, among other things.

但是你是不是都覺得未夠

But don't you think it's still not enough?

當然

Of course

其實任何的

In fact, anything.

都要做的

Everyone needs to do it.

即是佛友好

That is a good friend for Buddhists.

推進

Promote

鼓勵

Encouragement

各樣都是要做的

Everything needs to be done.

但是未夠的

But it is not enough.

我覺得是源頭

I think it is the source.

我經常說就是源頭

I often say that it is the source.

就是教育問題

It's an issue of education.

教育不只是給我們的前線工有

Education is not just for our frontline workers.

教育是可以給

Education can be given.

應該是要更加要老闆

It should be more about the boss.

管理層

Management team

專業人士

Professionals

都要有這一種教育

There must be this kind of education.

因為只要他們一個

Because as long as they have one.

他們的想法

Their thoughts.

只要不是擺安全第一

As long as safety is not the top priority.

可能擺成本第一

Cost may be the priority.

或者是他們設計的東西出來

Or it could be the things they designed coming out.

不夠安全的時候

When it is not safe enough.

根本上就是

Basically, it is.

就影響了前線工有的性命

It has affected the lives of frontline workers.

所以為什麼說一環扣一環

So that's why it's said that one link connects to another.

就是這樣

That's how it is.

加上業界始終很多的

In addition, there are always many in the industry.

文化和漏閘的問題

The issue of culture and leaking dams.

是造成我覺得今天的局面

It is what makes me feel the situation today.

為什麼沒有辦法去改善到安全

Why is there no way to improve safety?

就是嫁得者執的投標制度

It is the bidding system held by the groom's family.

那個分判制度

That subcontracting system.

成本優先

Cost priority

還有業主有沒有一個適當的施工期等等

Is there a proper construction period for the owners as well?

這些都是在這個行內的文化

These are all part of the culture within this industry.

還有做得不好的地方

There are still areas that need improvement.

長遠是要改善這些東西

In the long run, we need to improve these things.

是的

Yes.

都要慢慢改善

Everything needs to improve slowly.

不過我客觀來看

However, from an objective perspective,

大家的意識是警覺了

Everyone's awareness has been alerted.

都想做好了

Everyone wants to do well.

不過是不是重重那個力

But isn't it a heavy burden?

再要強一些

Be stronger again.

這個我想一定是

I think this must be.

好

Good.

謝謝蕭市民

Thank you, Mr. Xiao.

蕭市民就是工業商網權益會總幹事

Xiao Shimin is the Secretary General of the Industrial and Commercial Network Rights Association.

多謝何國業

Thank you, He Guoyie.

你作為業內人士都說到

As an industry insider, you've mentioned...

其實政府都有做多了事

Actually, the government has done a lot more.

其實是的

Actually, yes.

很多老闆都緊張

Many bosses are nervous.

因為有很多大的責任在背後

Because there are many big responsibilities behind it.

大家都會小心

Everyone will be careful.

希望大家工作和家庭

Hope everyone has work and family.

大家都健健康康平平安安

May everyone be healthy and safe.

接下來下個星期中秋

Next week is the Mid-Autumn Festival.

最重要大家都是健康快樂

The most important thing is that everyone is healthy and happy.

開心去上下月

Happy to go up and down the month.

消費一下

Spend a little.

沒錯消費一下

That's right, spend a little.

今天的節目是這麼多

Today's program is this much.

明天繼續有自由風自由風

Tomorrow will continue to have free wind, free wind.

現在聽新聞

Listening to the news now.

拜拜

Goodbye

再見

Goodbye