2016.1.2 「生活再造」【為食起革命】

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例如外國人住在很遠的地方

For example, foreigners live in distant places.

他們有一個冰鮮的浴箱

They have an ice-cold bath tub.

可以放一年或兩年

It can be stored for one or two years.

另外如果是乾身的東西

In addition, if it is something dry.

其實餅乾那些

Actually, it's about the cookies.

剛才也說過30年都可以

It was just mentioned that 30 years is also possible.

另外英國英女王結婚時的蛋糕

Additionally, the cake from the wedding of Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom.

現在還是可以吃的

It can still be eaten now.

英女王都八、九十歲了

The Queen of England is already in her eighties or nineties.

不是吧 很多防腐劑

No way, there are a lot of preservatives.

但原來因為他們是用酒去做結婚蛋糕

But it turns out that they used wine to make the wedding cake.

所以酒本身有防腐這東西

So alcohol itself has a preservative effect.

他們就那個蛋糕

They are talking about that cake.

其實很多以前的人

Actually, many people in the past.

英國時候的蛋糕

British cakes

現在是每年都拿出來慶祝

It is now celebrated every year.

他們的結婚周年紀念

Their wedding anniversary.

那Soso

That Soso

真的讓你再想多一次

Really make you think one more time.

如果不是因為你這次有一個任務在身的話

If it weren't for the fact that you have a mission this time.

你會不會真的去吃一些過期的食物

Would you really eat some expired food?

你會不會敢去吃這些過期的食物呢

Would you dare to eat these expired foods?

其實本身我自己很著重日期

Actually, I personally pay a lot of attention to dates.

若然這次不是叫我去做這個體驗的時候

If this time it wasn't for asking me to do this experience

我未必真的會試的

I might not really try it.

可能會碰過碰過

Maybe we'll bump into each other.

會覺得神奇食品

Will feel like a magical food.

看完就算了

Just forget about it after watching.

未必會去試的

Might not try it.

這次這個體驗是挺好的

This experience was quite good.

在我自己的認知方面有突破

There has been a breakthrough in my own understanding.

還有很多人會有像Soso那樣的印象

There are still many people who will have an impression like Soso's.

就是你會看著那個食物

It’s just that you will look at that food.

最佳食用日期

Best before date

又或者是這個日期之前一定要用的

Or it must be used before this date.

看著那個日期就做人了

Just live your life when you see that date.

過期我就一定會不吃的

I will definitely not eat it if it is expired.

但是某程度神奇食品

But to some extent, a magical food.

它都在做一種食物的教育

It is providing education about a type of food.

就是告訴大家

It is just telling everyone.

到底怎樣辨別一個食物

How to identify a food?

是不是過期是否不能吃呢

Is it true that if something is expired, it cannot be eaten?

過日期

Expired

可能這個也是重新的思考

Perhaps this is also a rethinking.

是的

Yes.

其實上一輩的時候

Actually, during the previous generation.

反而他們是更加彈性一點

On the contrary, they are more flexible.

他們會知道食物

They will know the food.

其實他們會用他的眼睛去目測

Actually, they will use his eyes to visually assess.

用他的鼻子去聞

Smell with his nose.

甚至乎用他們的舌頭去試一試

Even using their tongues to give it a try.

那個味道有沒有壞

Does that smell bad?

有沒有變酸

Has it become sour?

有沒有發臭

Is there any smell?

有沒有發霉

Is there any mold?

他們才會去處理

They will take care of it.

那些食物是不是丟的

Are those foods being thrown away?

其實我們現在這一輩

In fact, our generation now

都應該學一學這個東西

Everyone should learn this thing.

令到盡量環保一點

Make it as environmentally friendly as possible.

我完全在我媽媽身上看到

I see it fully in my mother.

因為她不是未壞都吃

Because she doesn't eat even when she's not broken.

她是壞了都吃

She eats even when she's broken.

為什麼這麼說呢

Why do you say that?

可能左邊發霉

It might be moldy on the left side.

右邊沒事

The right side is fine.

她就說可以了

She just said it's fine.

撕了左邊那邊

Tore the left side.

就可以照樣吃

Then you can eat it the same way.

因為她覺得

Because she feels

右邊既然你看我都沒有問題

Since you have no problem seeing me on the right side.

那就照樣吃

Then just eat as usual.

其實這樣的情況

Actually, in this situation

我們就不太建議

We don't really recommend it.

因為有時候

Because sometimes

你真的已經有一邊發霉

You really have one side that is already moldy.

那些菌

Those fungi.

它們會蔓延

They will spread.

雖然我們還沒看到它走到那裡

Although we haven't seen it go that far yet.

其實它可能已經滲入到中間

Actually, it may have already seeped into the middle.

我們不知道的時候

When we don't know

可能吃了就會有肚痛

It may cause a stomach ache after eating.

或者其他病

Or other illnesses.

就盡量不要這樣

Just try not to do that.

我想說到尾其實

I want to say that in the end, actually...

數字

Number

或者日期是死

Or the date is dead.

但是人是生的

But a person is alive.

我們要去辨別一些食物

We need to identify some food.

究竟是不是過了期呢

Is it really overdue?

方法很簡單

The method is very simple.

就是你打開食物的包裝

It's just that you open the food packaging.

你聞一聞

You take a whiff.

你要去看看

You should go take a look.

你真的用一個常識

You really need a common sense.

一種常識去

A common sense to go.

有沒有發霉呢

Is there any mold?

有沒有發臭呢

Is there a foul smell?

到底吃不吃下肚

Whether or not to eat it.

其實你是自己一個很簡單

Actually, you are a very simple person by yourself.

很普通的人

A very ordinary person.

不用教其實可能都知道的

They might actually know it without needing to be taught.

幫忙給自己一個方法

Help yourself find a method.

一口氣

In one breath.

你放出來

Let you out.

一口氣

In one breath.

你們在。。。

You are in...

自己放出來

Release yourself.

一口氣

in one breath

把整個生活分解

Break down the entire life.

把整個城市再做

Rebuild the entire city.

再做

Do it again.

回來的節目

The returning program.

繼續直播中

Continuing the live broadcast.

只有阿娟

Only Ajuan.

也有Panda

There are also pandas.

然後我的嘉賓主持阿B

Then my guest host A B.

你們好

Hello everyone.

現在的天氣很冷

The weather is very cold now.

最開心的當然是有火鍋

The happiest thing, of course, is having hot pot.

Panda最喜歡吃的火鍋

The hot pot that pandas like to eat the most.

是吃什麼

What to eat?

肥牛

Fatty beef

別說最喜歡吃

Don't say it's your favorite food.

在市面上最容易看得見

Easiest to see on the market.

或者現在放題

Or unlimited now.

常常都會吃

Often eat.

而肥牛經常標榜雪花肥牛

The fatty beef often boasts of being snowflake fatty beef.

是多肉花 油花那些

It's succulent flowers, the oil flowers and those.

但問題多數不是雪花 而是雪崩肥牛

But the problem is mostly not the snowflakes, but the avalanche of fatty beef.

很多脂肪

A lot of fat.

所以現在打火鍋有些餐廳就說他們是谷子牛

So now some restaurants say they are "millet beef" when serving hot pot.

吃那些谷類 谷物好像比較健康

Eating those grains seems to be healthier.

是不是 阿B

Is it A B?

首先大家要了解什麼是谷子

First, everyone needs to understand what millet is.

那些谷子即是吃什麼呢

What do those millet grains eat?

其實就是粟米 大豆 或者其他不同的五穀類的東西

Actually, it is just corn, soybeans, or other different types of grains.

再加一些不同的飼料進去

Add some different feed in.

但其實大家從小到大讀書都知道牛是吃草的

But actually, everyone has known since childhood that cows eat grass.

沒有人聽過牛是吃其他東西

No one has heard that cows eat other things.

所以當這件事發生的時候就麻煩了

So when this happened, it became troublesome.

因為牛的胃其實是用來消化草的

Because the stomach of a cow is actually used for digesting grass.

所以這些粟米和不同的東西它是消化不了的

So these corn and different things cannot be digested.

所以就會令到他們有胃潰瘍或者不同的疾病

So it can lead to them having stomach ulcers or various diseases.

現在我們就是面對很多時候

Now we are facing many times.

牛會有病 那會怎麼處理呢

If a cow gets sick, how will it be handled?

原來那些生產商

It turns out those producers

又會為牛有病 那會怎麼處理呢 原來那些生產商

If the cows get sick again, how will that be handled? It turns out those producers...

又會為牛有病 又會為他吃很多抗生素

Will also get sick for the cow and will also eat a lot of antibiotics for it.

那就令到很多很多問題會牽涉了出來

That would raise a lot of issues.

是 吃得多抗生素是會令到牛隻身體出現什麼問題呢

What problems can excessive antibiotic consumption cause in cattle?

本身抗生素就是用來控制住 讓他不要生病

Antibiotics are used to control and prevent illness.

但其實現在大家如果有留意新聞的話

But actually, if everyone is paying attention to the news now...

剛剛前一陣子也有說過

Just a little while ago, it was also mentioned.

廣東省的豬 雞 因為用了太多抗生素

Pigs and chickens in Guangdong Province have used too many antibiotics.

就有很多抗藥性的細菌出來了

Many drug-resistant bacteria have emerged.

但這些抗藥性細菌其實是無法可以根治

However, these drug-resistant bacteria cannot be completely cured.

但聽到超級惡菌抗藥性 是不是

But hearing about superbugs' drug resistance, isn't it?

所以

So

我們吃牛 吃豬 都會感染到一些疾病的時候

When we eat beef or pork, we may contract some diseases.

感染到這些細菌 我們都無法醫治了

Infection with these bacteria is incurable for us.

如果我吃一些本身有抗藥性的牛肉

If I eat some beef that is inherently antibiotic-resistant.

我都會變成有抗藥性的

I will become drug-resistant.

你都會有那些細菌進去

What kind of bacteria will go in there?

那些細菌就是抗藥性的

Those bacteria are resistant to drugs.

牛身上可能有胃潰瘍那些細菌

There may be bacteria that cause stomach ulcers on the cow.

隨著牛變成了牛肉之後

After the cow has been turned into beef.

然後就進入了我們的身體那些細菌 是不是

Then those bacteria entered our bodies, right?

你意思是這樣

Do you mean this?

其實我們打火鍋不會想那麼多的

Actually, when we eat hot pot, we don't think that much.

對

Yes.

看看那些肉質是否夠肥

Check if that meat is fatty enough.

或者是否夠爽

Or is it not satisfying enough?

就可以了

That's fine.

還有最重要是看看是否便宜

And most importantly, let's see if it's cheap.

對

Yes

我聽過我還以為菊子牛是健康的

I thought beef patties were healthy.

我吃素的

I am vegetarian.

不過牛本身都是吃素的

However, cows are herbivores.

但是這個說法有人說過

But this statement has been said by someone.

有些更可怕的養牛的商人

Some even more terrifying cattle ranchers.

其實他們會拿一些死的牛下去餵牛

In fact, they would take some dead cows to feed the cows.

有人這樣說過

Someone has said this.

但是這個就沒有見過

But I've never seen this before.

不知道是不是

I don't know whether or not.

所以他是否吃素的我真的不敢說

So I really can't say whether he is vegetarian or not.

是

Yes

為什麼不讓他吃素

Why not let him eat vegetarian?

為什麼農場不讓他吃素

Why doesn't the farm let him eat vegetarian?

要他餵那些谷物

Let him feed the grains.

其實因為現在養牛的方式是工廠式的

Actually, the current method of raising cattle is industrialized.

大家逼著一個很窄的環境

Everyone is forced into a very narrow environment.

但是大家知道放牧吃素就要走來走去

But everyone knows that grazing and being vegetarian means you have to walk around.

要很多地方

Need a lot of places.

你知道香港也是土地問題

Do you know that Hong Kong also has land issues?

全世界都是土地問題

The whole world is a land issue.

這個土地問題令到世上根本沒有土地去養牛

This land issue has left the world with no land to raise cattle.

就唯有谷住一個地方

Only millet lives in one place.

所以就變成要養飼料了

So it has turned into having to raise feed.

不可以餵他吃素了

He can't be fed vegetarian anymore.

是

Yes

就是說土地問題

It is about the land issue.

就是困擾著香港人

It is a concern troubling the people of Hong Kong.

甚至乎牛都受著這個問題去困擾

Even cows are troubled by this problem.

那麼

Then

你

You.

我

I

剛才聽過的就是周杰倫的《給我一首歌的時間》

What I just listened to is Jay Chou's "Give Me a Song's Time."

我剛才聽過一首歌的時間

I just listened to a song.

我就一直在想

I have been thinking all along.

想清楚牛是吃素的

Think clearly, cows are herbivores.

第二件事就是我在想

The second thing is that I am thinking about.

其實牛的飼養環境是怎樣

What is the feeding environment of cattle like?

因為剛才阿B說過

Because A B just said that.

土地問題

Land issues

可能不只是香港有這個問題

It may not just be Hong Kong that has this problem.

可能外國就算很大塊地也好

Even if foreign countries are quite large areas.

你都是想在最小的地方養最多的牛

You want to raise the most cattle in the smallest space.

其實他們面對的飼養環境是什麼問題呢

What problems do they face in their breeding environment?

其實現在這麼窄之下

Actually, it's so narrow right now.

又不想讓牠們活動

Don't want to let them move around again.

因為是賺到盡的時候

Because it's the time to make the most profit.

逼逼逼 養得最多最好

To force (or pressure) is to raise the most and the best.

問題就是牠不能走出去

The problem is that it can't go outside.

牠吃 睡 屋子都在同一個地方

It eats, sleeps, and the house is all in the same place.

變成牠四肢都是長期浸在牠的糞便裡面

It became that its four limbs were constantly soaked in its own feces.

當然除了臭之外就是菌

Of course, besides the smell, it's bacteria.

剛才也提過就是因為就是這樣的情況

It was mentioned earlier that it is because of this situation.

除了病之外就是糞便

Apart from illness, it's just feces.

浸在手腳上很多病菌

There are many germs soaked on the hands and feet.

就是牠的病菌

It's just its germs.

但是要不停用抗生素

But it is necessary to keep using antibiotics.

就是剛才也提到的那件事

It's the matter that was mentioned just now.

其實是惡性循環

It is actually a vicious cycle.

是

Yes

但是為什麼不清理牠呢

But why not clean it?

你要想想

You need to think about it.

因為牠一養的工廠是很多很多的牛在那裡

Because the factory it raises is filled with a lot of cows.

會不會那麼有空

Are you that free?

找那麼多的工人去幫牠清理呢

Looking for so many workers to help clean it up?

其實真的不會

Actually, I really won't.

因為現在外國那些大型的

Because now those large foreign companies...

無論養雞 養豬 養牛

Whether raising chickens, pigs, or cattle.

其實基本上牠一個養幾十萬隻的牆

Actually, basically, it raises hundreds of thousands of them.

都是只有一兩個工人去看

It’s usually only one or two workers who go to take a look.

所有都是機械化

Everything is mechanized.

就是餵那些全部機械化

It's just feeding those that are fully mechanized.

什麼都機械化的時候

When everything is mechanized.

你是沒有人會去看的

No one will go to see you.

沒有人會幫牠清理

No one will help it clean up.

然後那些牛在那個

Then those cows were there.

好像是劏房

It seems like a subdivided unit.

你想想一個劏房農場這樣去生活的話

Think about living in a subdivided flat farm like this.

其實要生活生存多久

Actually, how long one can live.

其實基本上要養多久

Basically, how long do you need to raise it?

才可以推出市場

Only then can it be launched in the market.

成為肉類給人吃

Become meat for people to eat.

這個我就不太記得多久

I don't really remember how long ago that was.

但是當然就是比我們以前會快了很多時間

But of course, it has become much faster than before.

所以我想大約都是幾個月的時間

So I think it will take about a few months.

就可以推牠出去

Then you can push it out.

但其實正常的牛

But actually, normal cows.

可能要餵牛的嬰兒

It may be a baby that needs to be fed to the cow.

要幾年

How many years?

是不是 應該是這樣的

It should be like this, right?

那女女來的情況呢

What about the situation with that girl?

會越來越快

It will become faster and faster.

就是說其實當中

In other words, actually in the middle.

剛才說可能牠整地都是牠的排泄物

It was just said that it might all be its excrement.

然後牠浸淫在這堆的排泄物裡面

Then it soaked in this pile of excrement.

那至於牠有病

As for whether it is sick,

那可能吃抗生素

That might require taking antibiotics.

但是牠能夠在一個這麼短的時間裡面

But it can do it in such a short amount of time.

牠有一個這麼快速的生長

It has such a rapid growth.

其實裡面可能又存在一些激素

In fact, there may be some hormones inside.

是不是

Is it?

是 其實因為除了剛才說過的

Yes, actually because besides what was just mentioned.

粟米那些因為月量很高

Corn those because the monthly amount is very high.

可以令牠快點生肉生脂肪

Can make it grow meat and fat faster.

就是這個激素

It's this hormone.

因為激素可以令牠生長更加快

Because hormones can make it grow faster.

那麼越多的話

The more there is, then.

牠就越生得快了

The more it grows, the faster it grows.

本身那隻牛要需要幾年才能夠生長得到

How many years does it take for that cow to grow?

但是牠的生長速度突然之間

But its growth rate suddenly...

砰砰的聲音那麼多的話

So many loud banging sounds.

其實牠可能身體是負荷不了的

In fact, it might not be able to bear the physical burden.

也是的

That's true.

所以為什麼牠的體能會差一點

So why is its physical fitness a bit lacking?

或者牠容易感染病

Or it is容易感染病.

就是因為這樣的原因

It is precisely for this reason.

我也在想

I am also thinking.

其實就算牠生長得很快也好

Actually, it doesn't matter if it grows very fast.

其實那是不健康的生長

In fact, that is unhealthy growth.

就是想想牠是沒有機會被牠動動的

Just thinking about how it has no chance to move.

只是一天到晚就站在那裡

Just standing there all day long.

就好像那些雞一樣

Just like those chickens.

其實在雞場裡面也是站在那裡

Actually, they are also just standing there in the chicken farm.

然後被人養肥的

Then it was fed fat by someone.

但是可能有些人說

But some people might say

有另一隻雞比較好吃

There is another chicken that tastes better.

就是因為是走地雞

It's because it's a free-range chicken.

牠們會經常去運動

They often go to exercise.

但是那些牛就是

But those cows are just...

我們吃了一口口的肥脂肪樂土

We took a bite of the land of rich fat.

所以不是大家經常說肥牛啊肥牛啊

So it's not that everyone often talks about beef, right?

就是這些東西

It's just these things.

就是大家又喜歡吃

It's just that everyone likes to eat.

現在一說回來就說

Now when it comes back to talking about it.

是的

Yes.

每一口都是脂肪

Every bite is fat.

是

Yes

那麼以後可能

Then it might be possible in the future.

我不知道在聽這個節目的朋友

I don't know the friends who are listening to this program.

會不會想著計劃

Are you thinking about planning?

我什麼時候什麼時候又去吃火鍋

When will I go eat hot pot again?

然後又去追求很多很多

Then go on to pursue many, many things.

很肥美的那些肥牛

Very fat and juicy beef.

但是當你再見到一碟碟傳來

But when you see a plate being passed again.

全部都是脂肪的時候

When everything is just fat.

你真的想想

You really think about it.

這隻牛是不是真的那麼肥

Is this cow really that fat?

那麼好吃呢

So delicious!