Forgiven Faults

This is Tiglath-Pileser IV and Sennacherib II, and this is edition number 21 of Musings of the Living.

For this edition of Musings of the Living, we start off with a song called Bakery in Greece,

and then we have a reading of the short story The Weeping Buddha, and then a song by me called Cherub Angels.

After that, we have a book review on The Man Called Cash,

and then a reading of The Book of Wisdom by Sean Patterson.

We then discuss the Bible passage John 8, 2-11, which centers this edition of Musings of the Living.

And then, I read my second week of Tardred's Bible.

Following that, we have a movie recommendation on the movie Lady in the Water,

and then an interview with Edward Wright,

and then a comic reading of Calvin and Hobbes by Kelsey Heinrichs.

To bring it on!

While home, we have the musical spotlight on Brian Eno.

And finally, the outro song called Snooze-log.

This is a song called Bakery in Greece.

went around them. My bed had been moved too. But the Weeping Buddha was still there, sad

as ever. And I sat down and cried. That was my story of the Weeping Buddha.

This is my song, Cherub Angels.

Bomb shelter, weddings underground. Sunglassed angels flying around. Death on the corner away from me. To cross the road, I need to pay the fee.

Moonshine singing, my ears are ringing. I can hear the devil crying. Starlight kiss, I'll be missed. Cherub Angels sighing.

Bathing in the shadows, the place of fear.

That's where I forgot to hear. A cupboard hiding jalopy, softening light. Take a blind man's glasses and you'll give him sight.

Angels on stairs, singing the songs. Somehow they manage to smile alone. Music and joy are the gifts they give. Teaching the rest of us how to live.

Moonshine singing, my ears are ringing. I can hear the devil crying.

Starlight kiss, and I'll be missed. Cherub Angels sighing.

Moonshine singing, my ears are ringing. I can hear the devil crying. Starlight kiss, and I'll be missed. Cherub Angels sighing.

That was my song, Cherub Angels.

Moonshine singing, my ears are ringing. I can hear the devil crying.

Music and joy are the gifts they give. Teaching the rest of us how to live. Cherub Angels sighing.

This is a response to the book The Man Called Cash by Steve Turner.

Whilst listening to The Man Called Cash by Steve Turner, I was continually inspired by this guy called Johnny Cash.

I was especially enamored when my friend Eric and I listened to him for a week as part of our musical spotlight program.

The reason I love listening to Cash is because he has something to say and isn't shy about doing so.

I think his lyrics from the song and album The Man Comes Around pretty much summarizes John's life in saying that we're all sinners and how much value we ought to place in our faith.

Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still. Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still. Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still.

Listen to the words long written down.

When the man comes around.

That sort of life doesn't come easy though. He definitely earned it.

He's referred to as the man who went to hell and came back alive to tell about it.

If you've ever seen the great movie about his life, Walk the Line, you'll know what I mean.

He was born into a redneck country family in the southern United States with a raging, drunken father who would verbally beat John.

For things that Johnny had no control over, like his brother getting killed.

After he had a few painful years serving his country in the Air Force, he got into the music business.

John and his musically illiterate friends, who worked in car repair shops, started recording and pretty soon, the trio became a staple in the country music scene, touring with the likes of Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis.

After the initial venture into music, he got into drugs and made sure he was on a constant high.

After he got off them though, he married June Carter, who filled in the archetype of a mother for Johnny Cash by looking after him and giving him a reason to stay sober.

He married June because of her ability to work in an industry dominated by men, and of course, her deep love for and rich history in music.

The rest of John's life was trying to find meaning in his devoutly Christian faith.

John found something in the area of commercial evangelical churches, and he got to become friends with some mega-preachers throughout his life.

He appealed to a wide range of people, from the young rebel to the fundamentalist Christian, which is why he got involved with the church.

It was part of his lifelong desire to continually go to church, but he had trouble remaining faithful to this commitment.

He left the church and got into drugs again in his fifties.

After getting out of that stint, he continued to explore his musical tastes and found the rap and hard rock producer Rick Rubin.

He helped Cash make his amazing American albums.

The reason why Johnny Cash started such a revolution of staying true to what he believed

was because he gave himself up to anyone who would listen to him, and could only do so because he was an outcast.

He also kept in tune to what the youth of the times were into.

I love the idea of a dying 70-year-old man doing a cover of a dark and gloomy industrial rock song, Hurt by Nine Inch Nails.

He was open, to say the least.

With Johnny Cash being an outsider, he sympathized with the other bold sinners in society.

He played in large prisons multiple times.

He said that the audiences there were grateful and would give all their energy to the concerts.

I think the reason why Johnny Cash was compassionate to prisoners was because of how he had gone through hell and understood a bit of it.

He never forgot his own sinful humanity because he had so explicitly experienced it numerous times himself.

One of Cash's statements in the book was about how God had forgiven him, and so the least he could do was forgive himself.

Cash's faith is the reason he appeals to me so much.

He believed that it's all about growing strong roots in the soil of faith from the many seeds planted inside yourself, which is very solid.

Johnny Cash understood the human condition quite well.

One of his statements was when he was talking about when he had hit rock bottom.

That's when he found God the most.

In his mind, he was never alone.

The cultural significance of Cash as a mythological figure resonated in the book loudly.

It makes sense.

Mythology from Wikipedia.

Stories that a particular culture believes to be true and that use supernatural events or characters to explain the nature of the universe and humanity.

Cash's story was supernatural in the way that it showed how a life that was so entrenched in sin could also have so much compassion.

In his later years, when he met Bono of U2, his first impressions of Cash were of meeting someone akin to Moses.

He certainly left a rich legacy of following Christ.

A reading from the Book of Wisdom.

Mastery of temper is high proof of intelligence.

A quick temper makes folly worse than ever.

He was very much like a man that was a man full of love.

He was a man of faith, of love, of love, of love, of love, of love, of love, of love, of love, of love, of love.

So far you've heard the song Bakery in Greece.

And a reading of the short story The Weeping Buddha as well as a song called Cherub Angels.

As well as a book review of The Man Called Cash.

Also a reading of the Book of Wisdom by Sean Patterson.

You're about to hear a discussion on the Bible passage John 8, 2-11, which centers this edition, Amusing the Living.

And then, week 2 of Tartary's Bible.

Reef Bible. You will also hear a movie recommendation on the movie Lady in the Water. And then an

interview with Edward Wright. As well as a comic reading of Calvin and Hobbes by Kelsey

Heinrichs. And then a musical spotlight on Brian Eno. Finally, you're going to hear the

outro song called Snooze Log.

For this edition of Musings of the Living, we'll be including a new section that aims

to center the podcast more around the Bible. For this section, we'll choose a verse that

we believe can help ground the edition at hand in Scripture and have a short discussion

on how it applies to the given episode of Musings of the Living. For this edition, we've

chosen John 8, 2-11. This is a reading of it from the Bible.

From the audio Bible, the Bible experience.

Using this question as a trap in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent

down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning

him, he straightened up and said to them,

Let anyone of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.

Again, he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away

one at a time.

The older ones first, until only Jesus was left with a woman still standing there. Jesus

straightened up and asked her, Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?

No one, sir.

She said, Then neither do I condemn you.

Jesus declared, Go now and leave your life of sin.

The life of Johnny Cash is it?

The life of Johnny Cash exemplifies this passage because his life was very explicitly sinful

as all of our lives are. But in the midst of that, he continued to serve God by being

a musician and such because he realized that he was forgiven, like the woman, like the

adulterer in the passage.

That's kind of like for the story I wrote, The Weeping Buddha. It's kind of like that,

but it's condensed into one single mistake. So he makes a mistake in leaving home and

his dad dies, so he feels great repercussions. But when he returns to the Buddha, he realizes

that he's forgiven anyway, that God is there anyway, like he's always there.

And it's also for the song Cherub Angels, there's like, there's death and stuff, but

there's still these angels that teach us to laugh and enjoy music and God is there always.

That's what it kind of means to me.

So that's how the passage applies to this edition of Musics of the Lord.

Hope you enjoy the rest of it.

Lead me gently home, Father. Lead me gently home, Father.

If I fall upon the wayside, lead me gently home.

Tardary Bible Week 3. Temples, Drunks, and Brooms.

This week on Tardary's Bible, I started to understand more of the content of the Bible,

specifically the Old Testament. I read Kings, Chronicles, Peter, and of course a psalm and

a bit of Samuel. I really enjoyed reading Peter again this week, because it's easier

to understand than Kings and Chronicles. I also had a bunch of cool experiences outside

of reading the Bible.

On Chronicles and Kings this week, King Solomon gave temple building a try and did quite well.

I don't really get why he didn't read the Bible. I don't really get why he didn't read the

Bible. I don't really get why both King Solomon and King David both built temples, but I think

it was because King Solomon was instructed by God to build a temple, just like his father

David.

You can tell by reading King Solomon's temple building chapters that something truly massive

is happening. Everyone is instructed to gather stone and gold, and finally the Ark. The whole

process reminds me of the documentary Paper Clips in which a school continually is working

on a momentous memoriam to the Holocaust, collecting one paper clip for each of the

six million Jews that were killed in the Holocaust.

Jews that were killed in the Holocaust.

Everyone in this small Tennessee town is put to small peasant work of counting paper clips

or opening parcels of paper clips.

And in King Solomon's temple building chapters, everyone around is doing their little part

to make this testament to God.

It's an amazing thing.

After reading the Old Testament stuff through each day, I was glad to get onto reading Peter,

which was a relief because of its straightforwardness.

The book of Peter is like Paul's letter to the Galatians in that way.

To the point, and saying very solid stuff.

There's tons of stuff to meditate on in the book of Peter, it's not even funny.

Here's a passage that stood out for me from the first book, 4th chapter, of Peter about

living for God.

The end of all things is near.

Therefore be clear-minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling.

Each one should use whatever gift he has received.

To serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms.

If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God.

If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things

God may be praised through Jesus Christ.

To him be the glory and the power forever and ever.

Amen.

The first experience I had of the Bible outside of reading it was our storyteller and English

teacher, Mark Cooley, telling us about a girl trying to please her parents in King Solomon's

Castle.

The story goes like this.

The girl's parents think that she'll amount to nothing, so the girl goes to work building

beautiful brooms by finding perfect sticks in the forest and cornstuff.

After building the brooms with great care, she goes to the market to sell the brooms

and after a long while is completely unsuccessful.

The girl gets fed up and starts screaming,

Put the brooms in the sale!

And Cooley quickly sells them all.

With the first time event of having three wondrous silver coins, the girl gets up and

the girl walks joyously home.

On the way though, she passes through the densely magnificent waft of a bakery and promptly

falls asleep on the baker's steps, making the baker very angry because of the lost business

this stinky and dirty girl is causing.

The baker demands that the girl must pay him for the lost business and the smell of his

bread and pastries that she fell asleep on.

The baker brings the scared girl to King Solomon to get justice done, not knowing how wise

he truly is.

King Solomon says to the baker that for the smell

of your bread, you get the sound of the girl's coins.

Apparently, there's a lot of stories surrounding Solomon, he sounds like a great king, in the

Bible and in these stories.

The second experience I had was a pretty wild one, I was on the bus and a drunken guy started

talking to me.

I couldn't hear most of what he was saying, but it was kind of freaky because he was looking

me in the eye every time he said something and would constantly whisper things to me.

He saw me reading the Bible and started asking if I went to church, he also started telling

me about the Sabbath and how it was the day before Jesus was crucified.

He said more stuff and I wish I could have understood him.

Overall, it was quite weird in a scary and interesting way.

To say it quite frankly, I love the commitment of reading the Bible each day and I hope I'm

getting something from it.

This is a movie recommendation on a movie called Lady in the Water by M. Night Shyamalan.

Lady in the Water is the third M. Night Shyamalan movie that has been nearly torn apart.

In my opinion, excepting Signs, although I liked that one as well, the director's films

are just getting better and more sophisticated as we go along.

Both The Village and Lady in the Water are deep and meaningful movies and are touching

a spiritual core.

As I've followed all this director's movies, I'm having fun watching them evolve.

One thing that has stayed consistently good, if not blossomed, is his storytelling ability,

great cinematography, and scripts, and it doesn't hurt that he always gets great actors.

The story he's telling in this one is the story of a being that has come to Earth from

the Blue World to help ameliorate Earth.

Paul Giamatti, the main character, is the janitor of a condo where an assortment of

weird characters live.

It turns out all the characters in the whole world fits into a fairy tale which almost

becomes a Christic allegory about sacrifice and purpose.

This is an honest look at how community emerges to help one person and ends up helping each

other and discovering their own purposes.

It's also his most comedic yet.

With some greatly funny side characters and incredibly humorous moments.

All in all, it's equal to The Village, less scary but funnier, and as imaginative and

meaningful.

A great movie about vocation, community, and sacrifice.

For a Project in History class, I interviewed a senior at a local old folks home.

What's your name?

Edward Wright.

What did you used to do as a kid?

My brother and I, we used to trap weasels and get gopher tails.

We saved up a bit of money.

We bought guitars.

Really?

Yeah, my brother and I used to play guitars.

Together.

What kind of songs did you play?

Hey?

What kind of songs did you play?

Oh, well of course.

I sold my guitar.

I didn't want to play no more.

We never was a professional player like Atkinson or some of them fellas, but we had a lot of

fun.

We...

Well, my father played the accordion.

Well, we played the accordion.

and my mouth, mouth of the mouth organ.

We had a little band.

We used to go and play at different parties

and everything else.

Then in 1940, the war came along in 39.

So I was in the army in 41.

So you fought in the World War II?

Yep, well yeah.

You see, when I was in the army,

we were going overseas.

So they said, you get a form, fill it out.

Have you ever had an accident?

And of course I had.

I had a serious accident when I was a boy, see?

Oh yeah.

Skull fracture.

How did that happen?

Oh, my cousin dropped a pole on my head.

A pole on your head?

Well.

He didn't do it on purpose.

He just, yeah.

And I was only five years old.

Wow.

And that's why I didn't go overseas when I saw that.

I'll never forget the war.

Too many boys I knew never come home.

Yeah.

I was coming down the field with the tractor.

And this fella, his name was Clifford Collard.

And he was walking down the road because he'd went to see his uncle across the river.

See, there used to be a ferry down there, take you across.

Yeah.

So, he jumped on the tractor and rode down the field with us, and he says, I'm going

to join the army tomorrow, Edward.

That was about two days after the war started.

I never seen him again.

He got killed in Italy, eh?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Some stories like that, they hurt.

It's fine and dandy to say that's over.

It's over, we know, but there's something stick in your crop that you don't forget.

And then when I got out of there, I got on the railroad.

It was all steam.

And I shoveled lots.

I shoveled lots of coal, but I liked the railroad, I always did.

Do you believe in God?

I'm not really a religious man, but still.

I believe there's a controlling power someplace.

What do you mean?

Well, there's a controlling power up in the sky that controls, tries to control what's

going on down on earth.

Do I believe that?

Yeah.

That's true.

Oh.

How was your first friend Henry that joined the interview?

Having lived your life, what's a really important thing that you learned that you'd

learn?

Learn?

Yeah, that you would tell to young people.

Railroading.

Like, one important lesson.

Lesson?

Yeah.

Well, that was a lesson.

What did it teach you?

How to be a brakeman.

How to work on the railroad.

Same as...

Railroading was an interview.

Yeah.

All right.

Thanks.

an interesting thing we are doing you I thought it was interesting oh we had a

lot of different things we learned I'll put it this way there's nothing else I

would have sooner done with a small education what are three principles you

live your life by well I would I would say do what I had done I didn't steal I

didn't cheat and I didn't go to work time that's three things on when you

hire on the railroad they told you don't steal from the company don't go to work

drunk and don't use your ass illegally

don't chase too many women

we have to

you he's a ladies man he knows them all in here so you're a ladies man more in

your when you were younger and he was a sincere honest man he never looked at

other women

we can both look now we're both but we're both too old yeah all we can do is

look that's all it's fun anyway

of course that's right

.

with

by bill watterson read by Kelsey Heinrichs I decided to be more of a

people person and make more friends how come I don't get enough present from now

on

I'm devoting myself to the cultivation of interpersonal relationships after all

No Man Is an Island we all need love and the support of others and the love of your spouse and your family and the love of your life.

we don't need love and the support of others and the love of your life.

others. We are social beings with social needs. So as of today, my goal is to be one with

my fellow man, to develop and foster these deep connections that...

Just a second. Hey Susie! Heads up! Pow! Hahaha! Help! Help! Pop!

I've changed my mind, Hobbs. People are scum.

I think true happiness can only be found in the wonton indulgences of animals.

The end.

For the musical spotlight for this edition, we're covering a song called

Loving Brian Eno, as requested by Linda Thiessen Wiebe of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Here's

a song by him.

Loving Brian Eno

Thank you.

That was the song Evil Thoughts by Brian Eno, and here's a biography on him.

Brian Eno has traversed a lot of ground, from glam rock to the ambient music he commonly works in today,

with producing being just another project he's been able to put under his belt along the way.

His working has gone from David Bowie to Talking Heads to U2,

but it all started in 1948 on the 15th of May,

when a boy named Brian Peter Georgino was born in Woodbridge,

He learned most of his basics at Ipswich Art School and the Winchester School of Art.

He started dabbling in the use of recording devices as just another form of instrument,

but was first recognized in his work with Roxy Music, where he was considered the keyboardist,

but in concert could often be found working behind the mall with a mix board and gadgets,

where he was playing the right samples at the right time.

He would often be governing the amount of volume of all the other musicians,

and basically quietly running the show.

This is where he first proclaimed himself,

a non-musician.

He found himself working with David Bowie as a fellow writer and musician after parting with Roxy Music,

and his assistance can be found on Bowie's acclaimed Berlin Trilogy.

He also became, which can more or less be considered an invisible band member,

of the Talking Heads for quite a number of their albums,

in which he was so influential he may have been considered one of the guiding forces and lead members,

but he did not appear on stage, and was credited simply as a producer most of the time.

U2 became another producing gig for him,

and he was the producer,

for both Unforgettable Fire and Aktoon Baby.

Brian Eno has also released a number of solo albums,

which range from punk and post-punk,

influenced largely by an experimental and free-floating energy Brian Eno takes around with him,

to ambient albums that use basic sounds and everyday noises

to convey a unanimous feeling of peace without being simple music at all,

but filled with various layers and levels.

Overall, despite the fact that Brian Eno considers himself a non-musician,

he's been one of the most influential people in music,

through his work as a band member, a producer,

and his newest popular title, The Father of Modern Ambient Music.

So what do you think of Brian Eno, Eric?

He's got a lot to him, like it's not, it's very multi-layered and he has different styles,

but he often, like he started in like art rock and glam rock and stuff like that,

and he moved to this, so he obviously covers tons of different areas and stuff like Another Green World,

and his ambient are totally different, but you can still see he's coming from the same place.

It was interesting to see him look at all these different places from the same perspective, personally.

How about you?

Yeah, well I think he's really good because he's very ambient and his music is very delicate,

he pays attention to detail.

How do you mean?

Well, like you said, it's very multi-layered and how do you, how do you come up with multi-layered?

You have to be delicate and precise and like it's, it's not,

popular music per se that's very entertaining, but it's very, you can tell he's put a lot of thought into it, and...

Yeah, it's really relaxation music, but if you...

In a way, not really.

But if you listen to it carefully, you can come into a totally different place as well,

like you can totally relax to it and just let it wash over you, and there's all,

and you can also like listen to it and you can find all the different like niches of it,

because it seems like very repetitive, like he's using the same beats over and over again,

just to like relax you or bring peace.

And stuff like that.

But when you listen to it, there's like always...

When you listen to it, it's not, it's, it's, there's always something new that's gonna draw you in again.

Right, well, and there's always like, he maintains a certain wash of color or emotion, like he,

it's not just a bunch of lyrics put together.

Yeah, it's not cheap crap.

Well, yeah, it's...

Like he doesn't, he didn't, he didn't just, he, he spent a lot of time on it.

Exactly, like he gives it, he gives each thing like thoughts, it seems, and he puts,

you know, like hair to each different moment that is in the song,

no matter if it's repeating a moment that's already happened or not.

You know, it's not just like thrown together, it's really meditated on almost.

Yeah, which is very good, because like usually we're just running around doing stuff, you know?

Yeah.

Like usually we're just, that's, we just run around doing stuff unconsciously,

and Brian, so Brian Eno really calls you to just sit down, listen to music,

it really, it's like sort of another way of life.

Like, not like corny or anything,

Yeah.

but it, it just, um, calls you sort of into peaceful living, like not being so frantic.

Well, when you listen to him, you really have to think about what you're hearing, because it's not...

Exactly, you can't, you can't just listen to it and just like listen to it just for kicks.

Like, well, you have to, um, to actually get something from it, you have to sit down and concentrate on it.

Yeah, or go to sleep to it.

Which is a good, sure, which is a good, um, way to live, like all the time.

Like, not just going for quick stuff, but actually sitting with things.

Well, I think, um, with tons of music, you can always, like, sit with it.

Well, yeah, of course.

And think about it, and like, each, every single, I think, not every single, but most good, like, all good musicians.

Yeah.

Can, when you listen to them meditatively, you get something different from them than when you listen to them, um, like, like just on the fly.

But the thing with Brian Eno is that he almost calls you to listen to them meditatively.

Exactly, you can do that with any music, but Brian Eno, that's...

That's not exactly the kind of music it is.

Well, it's just that Brian Eno, listening to them on the fly, it just wouldn't be as interesting.

Exactly.

But, like, to find the actual interest and the underlying, like, moments that make it good music, you have to sit with it and, like, almost...

Exactly, to actually get something out of it, you have to sit with it.

Exactly.

So, which is very good, because it's not what we usually do.

Yeah, exactly.

But then it is the better thing to do.

Yeah, and I think, um, the album, his album, Ambient 2, or is that Ambient 1?

Or is that Ambient 1, Music for Airports?

Ambient 1.

Ambient 1, Music for Airports, that was a really good album for that, because it, like...

Yes.

If you don't listen, like, if you don't listen to it totally taking it on and thinking about it, it seems like...

It's very repetitive.

What the heck's going on?

But when you listen to it, it's so, like, you get into a whole mood that he gives you, and, like, you even move to it.

Like, I found, like, I was just listening to it, and, like, I was, like, my whole body seemed like, it was, like, the heart was beating to it and stuff like that.

It was, like, it was a really interesting thing.

Like, he totally entered the music, like, just let it kind of take over.

That was probably my favorite album of his.

Although, um, Another Green World, which is when he was still doing punk stuff, but doing his own kind of rendition on punk.

Punk stuff?

Yeah.

What do you mean, punk stuff?

Punk music.

Oh, yeah.

Um, Another Green World, that was, that was very interesting for that.

Like, he used to, he kept singing with it, and, like, he kept, like, kind of almost, like, rock guitars in certain songs.

Especially the first song is like that.

I can't, it kind of just starts, like, that you hear this big, strong guitar.

Anyway, it's, um, like, the way he worked with that in there, too, was really interesting to listen to.

Just to see kind of almost an evolution that he had gone through.

Yeah, yeah.

It's, yeah.

I thought it was very cosmic music.

How do you mean?

Like, it's, it's sort of, like, well, you typically think of the stars as very pure.

You think of the stars as very peaceful, you know?

Like, because it's sort of outside of Earth.

I see what you're saying, yeah.

And, like, so I thought, like, it could work well in, like, a space documentary.

So if you ever, if you ever worked on a space documentary, you could use it.

Huh, yeah.

That would be pretty cool to, like, I can see what you're saying.

Like, it's totally, it seems very otherworldly, the music.

It is.

Very, um, yeah, like, it's, it's kind of, like, it's from space or something like that.

Yeah.

Like, it, it moves almost like it's a heartbeat of an Earth or of a planet or something like that.

As opposed to being just a song that a guy made.

Yeah.

Like, it's very.

It's, it's, it's not, yeah, exactly.

It seems like it's more than just what this guy made.

Well, all good music is that.

Yeah, but, like, it's, it's.

It definitely seems, yeah.

Because, because it's, um, well, it just seems so.

Ambiguous?

No, um, uh.

Not Earth, like, it's from nature.

Like, it, because it, it moves with, like, um.

It doesn't feel like it's something, it doesn't seem like it's something that we made.

Right.

That Brian Eno made.

It's very organic.

Like, it's very, it flows very, very easily.

Yeah.

As opposed to, uh, as a, like, as opposed to something that was made with man-made things and stuff like that.

It seems like it's very much, um, it kind of, like, came out of, out of, uh, like, something higher.

Yeah.

Or it came out of the, the, he's around, his environment around.

Stuff like that.

Like, it's, it grew.

The noises resemble the everyday.

Right, like, it grew as opposed to it was created, like, with guitars and drums and stuff like that.

Yeah, which is good.

I thought it was very ambiguous.

How do you mean?

Like, um, his music doesn't usually have, like, a typical song will have, like, a nice drums, nice guitar, big solo in the middle, right?

But, um, and it, it'll sort of decide everything for you, but, um, it's good because, like,

some songs will go into definite parts of the song, you know, it'll go into part A, part B, part C.

Where Brian Eno, it's very ambiguous and it's not black and white.

It's not like, um, this part is this way, this part is that way.

It's, it's very ambiguous, you see what I'm saying?

Not really, no, sorry.

Like, um, let's, like, for any, a regular song will have a few parts to the song, very definitive parts.

Like a raging solo in the middle.

So it'll have, like, the chorus, the bridge, and the verse.

Yeah, and Brian Eno's songs are very, um, ambiguous because they're...

Because they don't have a chorus or a bridge or a verse.

Yeah, it's not very, it's not fast, it's not instant, um...

But songs with choruses and bridges and verses don't have to be fast or instant.

Well, I know, but it's very, um, it doesn't decide everything for you.

Oh, sorry, I don't, what do you mean?

Well, like we were saying before, it's meditative music.

Okay, so, like, you have, you have to listen to it more to get, like, the other layers, or what?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. The layers aren't apparent, like, it's not black and white.

Like, you don't see the layers instantly.

Well, even rock music isn't black and white, though.

I know, but I'm just saying that Brian Eno's music seems to be that way.

It's very explicitly ambiguous.

Yes.

Like, it's, it's obviously not just a, an, like a...

Yeah, okay, I get what you're saying, yeah.

Like, and, like, it sort of, it shows you, it actually opens your eyes up to the world, actually.

Because a lot of the noises, a lot of the sounds in his songs are sounds, um, that resemble the everyday.

Okay.

Like, there'll be, like, birds chirping in some of his songs, right?

Yep.

And, um, it makes you, it makes you, it really makes you think about the sounds around you and how ignorant you are of, we are of them.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

Mm-hmm.

Like, it, it makes you think how much there is out there, because a lot of his songs did come from what was just out there.

Okay, so, so, like, in this way, also, it's very cosmic.

It's like, like, showing what's out there and there's so much more.

It's opening your eyes.

Yeah, okay.

Uh, yeah, I see what you're saying.

Yeah.

That sounds magnanimous. I'm off to listen to more Brian Eno.

Me too.

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