Episode 1196: Aodhan King

it's episode 1196 and it's the relevant podcast here in Orlando I'm your host Cameron Strang

and joining me from Loverland Virginia is Jesse Carey hello hello from Nashville our

managing editor downtown Emily Brown hey y'all the other two guys are on planes right now just

FYI without us you know it's post Labor Day you know this is the Friday show Labor Day was this

week now we are entering into the fall but did y'all have a big last summer hurrah did you do

anything memorable I know you you were in Chicago right Emily yeah for my friend's wedding which was

very fun and last night you got the triple dipper at Chili's yeah that's right at during our staff

day one of my friends texted me about getting the triple dipper at Chili's mind you it's 10 30 in the

morning um but it derailed my update in staff meeting what what are the the the trifecta of

contents that comprise a triple dipper well you get to pick so um I'm trying to think what all

the options are there's like chicken crisper options the big mouth bites Southwest what is this

like sliders you're speaking to a Chili's waiter I am an alum of Chili's lore but I I don't know

this new era of triple dipping I know I know the awesome blossom era I know you know I know awesome

awesome blossom I thought that was only outback are you saying it's jumped chain is it a multi

chain Chili's used to have it but like a long time ago right yeah no we had our version of it

yeah okay like an onion you're right you're right yeah the blooming onion

yeah that's right there's a lot of the blooming onion not the awesome blossom yeah right so

so it's a customizable trifecta of ranging from sliders to to to fried sliders and dips and things

yeah now you you ate this at 10 45 in the morning no no no we were in a staff meeting yesterday and

it was like 10 30 in the morning and I was in the middle of just kind of updating staff on what

you know like some things whatever and my phone goes off because she texts me and

Cameron was like I think he asked like oh who's texting you at 10 30 in the morning specifically

named group texts that I know about was it this one this one or this one who's texting you and

I'll expose myself I am in a Harry Styles group chat and a separate Taylor Swift group chat so

it was neither one of those I was like is there breaking news in the Harry Styles world that we

need to know about during a staff meeting breaking news and she's like no it's my friend asking if

we want to go to Chili's tonight for dinner at 10 30 in the morning I was gonna say if you're a

If you order a trifecta at Chili's at 1045 in the morning, they give you a little card that says, if you need, if you're feeling depressed or need just some mental health issues to be addressed, please call this number.

And it's a whole office at the Chili's headquarters that answered.

They're like, we understand.

The one thing that bugged me about the movie Office Space, cult classic, great movie from the 90s, was that when she was working at the quote unquote TGI Fridays, you know, the one with the flare, they went for like morning coffee.

They're not open for morning coffee.

They open at lunchtime.

That always bugged me that like they went over there to have a cup of coffee in the morning.

And I was like, they don't do that.

I think you're paying too much attention to office space.

Well, I'm a realist, if nothing.

You know, like.

Well, to be fair, that was like a fictionalized version of a Chili's that maybe this one had some weird brunch offering, you know.

True.

Maybe there's an egg scramble.

Maybe they were just ahead of the cool one.

I've only seen Office Space once.

It was actually in a high school class because the teacher played it for us.

I have been in this weird.

I'm not a movie guy.

I'm a TV guy.

But I've been my kid is getting to the age.

He just started high school that I've been.

I've been wanting to make sure.

That he knows and appreciates the movies that I loved at his age.

So I've been making him watch like 90s movies with me.

Like the other night we watched Tombstone, which, by the way, holds up.

It's not a good 90s movie.

It's a good movie.

This is my favorite movies all the time.

We watch.

I had him watch Napoleon Dynamite the week before that.

Classic.

He was like, it's fine.

Because think about it.

Like mumblecore movies are like common now.

He doesn't realize how groundbreaking.

It was, you know what I mean?

And then I had him watch.

What was the other one?

I knew it.

We've been going down all these 90 movies and I'm having fun.

So like I just rewatched Office Space myself like three months ago.

It holds up.

It's great.

Office Space holds up.

Napoleon Dynamite, especially with kids.

Not really.

Like I was seeing my kids are going to find this hilarious.

And, you know, it was a little honestly upsetting.

Like, you know, there's a lot of bullying.

There's a lot of concerning parenting.

There's, you know, Uncle Rico's kind of a creep.

Like, you know, it's like, oh, this doesn't this is not age like it did in my mind.

And it's not the perfect film for, you know, like like the the the egg scene where they go to like the chicken factory.

That just seems like borderline child labor.

Like borderline.

He paid him like six dollars in nickels for the entire day's work.

Of course, raw raw eggs.

Anyway, it's a little upsetting, especially for like an eight year old.

Girl, I do want to say I would that maybe came out when I was in fifth grade.

So I was like, you know, 10 or 11.

I watched it religious.

I cannot tell you how many times I watched that movie because I thought it was the funniest thing in the world.

So maybe she just needs to give it some more tries.

I was trying to explain to Cohen that this movie came out and Anchorman and Nacho Libre and whatever.

And this is before social media and before memes.

And so it's like we all were watching these movies and saying that.

And the the words of them, the quotes, the phrases like those were like living memes.

Yeah, it's like you got to understand it's a different time, man.

And and Napoleon Dynamite just aesthetically look like nothing else.

It was just like, well, it kind of looked like Wes Anderson.

That was the thing.

It was always sort of a little bit, but less colorful.

Well, but but it had like a real distinct palette.

And the other thing that I had in common with Wes Anderson and a lot of Jared Hess's movies have this.

And so do Wes Anderson, which I feel I like.

Jared Hess, you know, and he's moved into documentaries.

He made a really great one about.

I was going to ask you, like, whatever happened to the Napoleon Dynamite guy?

Yeah.

So he's now doing what?

What did he do after Napoleon Dynamite?

Because he made the whole movie for four hundred grand and like everything.

So then he made he made Nacho Libre after that.

Oh, OK.

All right.

He he made a film called Gentlemen Broncos that was starred like one of the Flight of the Conchords guys.

And he made another one about like actually a biblical archaeologist that stars Sam Rockwell.

None of them really caught the same.

You know, they didn't really have the same level of success as Nacho Libre and Napoleon Dynamite.

But he's actually moved into like true crime documentary filmmaking.

But all I'd say his early style was, again, I like his movies, but I feel like it was a little derivative of Wes Anderson in that like the wardrobe is.

It's very indistinguishable.

We might be late 80s to like mid 90s, but it's never really established.

You know, it's very like story bookish a lot, like hyper stylized, you know, like at the beginning of Rushmore, they open a book and you're actually in a story or the same thing with Grand Budapest Hotel.

It's like the reflections on like a book.

So everything sort of had that that I like that style, but I feel like it's a little derivative of Wes Anderson, though I do like his movies.

You mentioned Flight of the Conchords.

That was that's on the list of things I want.

But I don't think that kind of humor will hold up.

I love Flight of the Conchords back in the day.

But I'm just like humor has progressed like in the like humor has progressed since then.

I just think he'll look at it and be like, so I was raised in a family that listened to like Black Gospel, Motown, things like that.

I did not have the Beatles in my house.

Right.

So everybody's talking about how great the Beatles are.

So finally, as an adult.

I went back and I was like, I want to understand, you know, because I'm into like indie music and, you know, whatever.

And and I want to understand the Beatles.

So I went and, you know, like I'm going to deep dive their discography and I'm listening to all of the Beatles.

And I'm just like, music is better now, like because the Beatles started something.

Now, granted, they were groundbreaking for the time.

Like what was going on musically was groundbreaking.

And then a whole generation came after them and built on what they started.

And then another generation came after that and built.

So I feel like music is better now than than the Beatles.

So like I don't hold the Beatles in this high regard.

I feel the same way about certain 90s movies, early 2000s movies where it's like, yeah, it was groundbreaking at the time.

Flight of the Conchords.

But humor has progressed and it looks stale and not as good as what we know now.

Right.

I think it's a fair observation, though.

I would I think the only point I think I would push back on is progression versus evolution and better versus more in tune.

To modern sensibilities, like especially with like, you know, because like there were certain also technical restrictions with the Beatles.

Right.

They didn't have computers.

These were largely guys with four instruments.

So they were playing with their bare hands.

You know, there was no and it was on celluloid tape.

Right.

There's nothing digital.

So they were playing.

But the other the other thing, too, is like with humor.

I feel like the Internet has changed people's sensibilities like dramatically.

We're we're slow burn absurdist like sketches don't really work like they used to, like sort of the outliers.

Like, I think you should leave aware.

But that still has a very memeable sensibility.

But like especially like TikTok has really changed.

I feel like how like people absorb comedy because of jump cuts like, you know, where Flight of the Conchords was shot like almost like a film.

Where it is like these long cuts now in comedy, jump cutting has become the standard largely because of TikTok.

It's like, say, the joke cut to somebody's reaction, cut to this guy, cut to that, and then like a punch line in text.

And it's just kind of, you know, sensibilities.

I'm going to go one back from TikTok adult swim.

I think adult swim started.

It was like short form.

We don't sit through 30 minutes.

Yeah.

I sit through three.

And it's the ADD.

I get why, you know, I get their target audience.

Yeah.

The state, the mental state of their target audience.

At 2 a.m.

Yeah.

I get it.

But I think that did introduce a form of comedy and absurdist humor and stuff that then social

media just ran with and like even evolved and perfected.

But I do think adult swim is kind of the outlier of like they're doing something we've never

seen before.

Oh, go ahead.

I'm going to say like I think like a really good example is like on SNL they have those

please don't destroy guys who like they their humor.

There is like you said, like a very ticked like they got famous on Tick Tock and like

the kind of Internet cut humor like stuff like that, but they only make those skits for SNL

like they're not in any sketches on the show because it's like these are two different kinds

of humor.

And it is really interesting because I feel like those clips always go really viral because

they're great for the Internet, but the audience at SNL, depending on who you are, might not

necessarily like it as much.

You need to listen.

If you're interested in that, you need to listen to the, um, the Lonely Night.

The Lonely Island was Seth Meyers podcast that's going on right now.

They are literally talking through all of the Lonely Island SNL sketches.

Each episode goes into one of them.

And they obviously built on what Robert Zemeckis started with a little like TV timeouts and

stuff like that.

Yeah.

TV funhouse.

But it's so interesting.

What they introduced was the digital camcorder lo-fi, which became kind of the Internet video

thing.

And then now this generation, the please don't destroy kids are grew up.

I'm that like, that's the OG.

So I'm trying to introduce Cohen to the OG stuff.

So he understands where like this all came from.

Yeah.

It's just interesting just to see the evolution of music and comedy and film and all this

stuff.

And I've literally, because he's at this pivotal age where I develop my own tastes, he's, he's

far ahead of me on developing his own, you know, music tastes and things like that.

He's great creative kid, but like, but I'm trying to like, Hey, I loved these movies.

I love these TV shows back then when I was your age.

I hope you love them too.

And it's like, he liked Napoleon Dynamite.

It was fine.

I mean, it wasn't groundbreaking for him.

Right.

And then he was like, and Tombstone, he fell asleep three quarters of the way through it.

And I'm like, the last quarter is the best quarter.

What are you doing?

Like, I'm like, we are rewatching the last 30 minutes of this movie.

You know, one more observation about, because I do feel like some stuff comes full circle.

Right.

So when you think about like the height of comedic delivery, it was at one point, probably

one of the most consumed was like the Sunday funnies, right?

Which, you know, tons of people got the newspaper and turn right to the funny pages because it

was basically humor.

But think about the format of that.

It was pictures with just little text on it, you know, kind of culminating in something

like Family Circus or The Far Side where you didn't need more than one block.

It was an image with text on it and it made you laugh.

If you think about what you see on like Instagram or X, that is what a meme is.

It's a single image with text that interjects the joke.

But really, it's going full circle to the most simplistic form of delivery, which started

in the funny pages.

You know what I mean?

Like meme culture has sort of, I don't think they co-opted it.

I think it kind of evolved organically.

But when you think about the evolution and kind of full circle nature of it, it's like,

oh, yeah, like this has worked before because when you see a funny image and put some juxtaposing

text that introduces a punchline, it just works, you know?

It's true.

Also, go watch Tombstone.

It's really good.

No, it's just the last half hour.

I'm pretty sure my dad made me watch it and I think I fell asleep, too.

I'm so sorry.

There's a lot of movies like that, like Rudy.

I don't know when the last time you did.

You guys remember Rudy, the football?

I'm going to make him watch it.

I haven't watched it in 30 years.

I'm going to make him watch it.

Can I give you a hint here?

Fast.

There's not a play of football in that movie until over an hour.

That's not the point.

It's a human interest.

It's not a story.

It's a story of a family.

I mean, it is a football movie.

It's not.

You can just bring him up to speed.

You're going to be like, buddy, I'm going to just blast.

We're going to start on hour two.

I'm going to say what happened.

This guy really wanted to play at Notre Dame and his family told him he couldn't.

Let's go.

Here we go.

The movie starts an hour in.

Oh, my gosh.

You have the shortest attention span.

No.

Have you guys ever seen Deer Hunter?

No.

The classic Vietnam movie.

I remember I never was so disappointed in my life.

Literally, the first 45 minutes, they're at a wedding and just hanging out.

And it's to establish their community and their friendship.

I thought I was watching a sweet nom action movie.

Okay?

I'm watching Christopher Walken and his buddies at a wedding for 45 straight minutes before

there's any hunting or Vietnam action.

Or deer.

Yeah.

Emily, what did you think about...

What was the Lord of the Rings one where the little elf people...

The whole movie started with a 45-minute dinner scene.

That was the very first Lord of the Rings.

I know.

No, that's the first Hobbit.

That was the first Hobbit.

The first Hobbit.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, I didn't watch any of the Lord of the Rings Hobbit movies until maybe like three

years ago.

I went in knowing that this might not be for me, but I wanted to understand why people

were so obsessed.

It was fine.

I think about half of every single film could have been cut just because there was a lot

of walking, a lot of just like chit-chatting that wasn't really that interesting.

But I did watch it with my dad because he, to this day, still educates me on what movies

I should watch.

I will say, I think my favorite one that he ever made me watch with him that I ended up

loving too was Days Unconfused.

It just was a really good movie.

That being said, I don't know how Cohen might not be old enough for that one.

Yeah.

But one day when he's 18, he will love it.

Yeah.

I was going to say, we're not doing the R's yet, except Tombstones and R.

But it's not...

I think Office Space is an R.

We haven't watched Office Space together.

I haven't had him do that.

But you're right.

I remember.

Yeah, that's a language R. Tombstone's just a OK Corral gunfight R. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I said they could have just jumped right to that.

Like, who cares about the relationships and the states and the politics?

It's a true story, first of all.

So you have to understand the context of who Wyatt Earp was, his brothers, who the Cowboys

are, which is the first version of organized crime in America.

They would go down into...

To Mexico, rustle up cattle, steal them, bring them over the border.

Like, you have to understand the context, understand why the gunfight at the OK Corral

was so pivotal.

No, but I understand it based on the two sentences you just told me.

That's why the original...

I'm not even a Star Wars guy, but I recognize...

I didn't tell you about Wyatt Earp's story.

Listen, this is why...

I'm not a Star Wars guy at all, but I can recognize why the first ones worked, because

all the boring stuff they got away, they just blasted through with literal text on screen.

In a galaxy far...

Like, just bring me up to speed.

Who's this?

Who's that?

You know, what are we doing here?

And let's jump to the action.

Tombstone could have been like this.

Wyatt Earp, just scrolling across the screen, stole cattle and moved across the border.

They all met for this epic gunfight.

No, you're saying it all wrong.

First of all, okay, so I just watched...

The reason why I made him watch Tombstone was last weekend, I ended up watching some

documentary about the true story of Tombstone, Arizona, and whatever.

And it was like a six-hour, multi-episode documentary.

So fascinating.

You just got rid of Tombstone.

Tombstone at this point, if you're not obsessed.

Years of story before, years of story after, Tombstone was the crux.

And the geopolitical...

Star Wars blasted through like 200 years of geopolitical history in 15 seconds of text

and just put us in the action.

And immediately just jumped that we're in a different galaxy.

Didn't have to set up anything.

Just like, we're there.

But to your point, so then the reason why this story is famous is the rise of newspapers,

and sensationalism to sell newspapers.

People in the big cities love the tawdry stories of the Wild West.

And it was like a newspaper battle of who...

Are you talking about newsies?

What narrative?

No, I'm literally talking about Tombstone.

Like, why is this a famous story?

Why are these people known today?

And so it was like six hours of information, all this stuff, whatever.

And so then when I watched the movie Tombstone, they literally spend the first two minutes

doing exactly what you asked.

They're just telling you context, showing you black and white.

They're telling you black and white clips of like who all these players are, who all

these people are.

And we're going to jump into the story of when Wyatt Earp moved his family out there, right?

We're jumping in.

So it did exactly what you're wanting.

And that's why I'm like, I want to watch the movie again, because like, I want to see what

the two hour version of this true story was.

And to be fair, they did a very good job being like true to this actual story.

Obviously, they had to leave out a ton of information.

I think they did a great job.

You should watch it.

It's a great movie.

One of my favorites.

One more hot take.

What do you feel about Field of Dreams?

Great.

Excellent.

I tried to get Cohen to watch that like a month ago.

I got about 10 minutes in.

I always get that one mixed up with Angels in the Outfield.

You really got to appreciate like the nuances of like historic baseball, though.

No, see, I hate baseball.

I have no appreciation for baseball.

I loved it for the father son thing, right?

Yeah.

Any father son movie is going to get me.

And I wanted to watch it with my son.

He doesn't like baseball either.

But I did.

I don't like baseball.

I thought he would love it.

He literally wouldn't even.

Dead Poets Society.

Same thing.

He had no interest.

Wait, that one's a really good one.

He should get that one another try.

They don't hold up to modern eyes.

I'm telling you, they don't hold up.

I have one hot take that this is a hill I'll die on.

True stories should not be movies because we can all read Wikipedia.

Or if we really want, we can watch like a Netflix docuseries.

It brings us up to speed.

Oh, my God.

Because true stories.

True stories.

I'm always watching.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

No.

It's better.

No, it's not.

Because if aliens came down in the middle, in the gunfight at the O.K. Corral, that is

stranger than what happened.

And probably more watchable for modern audiences.

Wasn't that Aliens vs. Cowboys?

I think that was a movie.

Oh, my gosh.

That's funny.

Like, true stories could always be made better with a good writer.

Like, I can, if I want to know what happened, a movie is not the forum to tell me.

Like, a movie is entertainment.

Just give me, give me, give me.

Give me stuff that really interesting writers that understand pacing, you know, sketched

out.

That is a hot take.

The current, the current season of Only Murder in the Building is they're wanting to, Paramount

is wanting to make a movie about the people.

And so you would not enjoy this season.

I, I, I didn't like last season.

I didn't like the play.

I'm not into the world of theater.

Like, when it abandoned the world of podcasting and took up theater, I was like, no, I'm out.

Like, this just isn't it.

But they did a whole podcast about the murder in the theater.

It really took a backseat to the theater stuff.

I feel like the first season was so into the nuances of podcasting.

And then the second season really was more overly, was more concerned with the nuances

of, of creating a theater production and podcasts that took a backseat.

I'm not saying it was better or worse.

I'm just saying I wasn't interested.

Well, I do think they leaned into Martin Short's, you know, personality, theater, over the topness

and stuff.

The Meryl Streep edition.

It was fantastic.

I thought she was great last season.

I actually, I saw Only Murder in the Building be promoted like, oh, then the first episode

of the new season's out.

And I started to watch it last week and literally like they're recapping the season before and

they were showing all these scenes.

And I was like, I have no recollection of any of these scenes.

So then I was like, and it's connected.

I mean, they're like, it's a through line from last season to this one.

And so I, I stopped this and I watched all of last season last week and then caught up

and, uh.

I liked it.

I thought it was good, but I could see if you're wanting the serial, you know, Sarah

Koenig kind of like behind the scenes podcasting that definitely did take back.

So you're right.

Well, but the, the other thing, this is the greatest, uh, um, like I feel like narrative

device in, it's not even modern.

Like they've been doing it for, I don't know, however long there's been serialized television

and I love it previously on, and they just recap it right there.

I don't need to go back.

Like, just hit me the, you know, hit me with the, with the, with the essential stuff.

I love that narrative device.

One, I have a terrible memory, but two, it's like, nah, I skipped that one cause I was

bored.

And you know, they're going to tell me at the beginning of the episode too.

The funny thing for me is 90, 90% of my TV watching is binging.

So when each episode has that, it's like skip recap, skip recap, skip recap.

I know.

I just watched it.

I just watched it six minutes ago.

Anyway.

All right.

Well, let's move the show along.

We have a great show today.

Aiden King joins us.

Uh, you know, I'm from, uh, previously.

He's from Hillsong Young and Free.

He has a new solo album out.

We talked to him about that.

Uh, also at the end of the show, we have your feedback.

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Tell us what's happening at the intersection of faith and culture this week, Emily.

Okay, well, over the weekend, Netflix released a new horror movie directed by Lee Daniels

called The Deliverance.

And then remind me, are y'all big horror guys?

Zero.

Never seen a horror movie, never will.

I don't know.

It's got to be the right premise or an interesting execution.

Otherwise, I'm not just going to...

I don't have like...

What's that streaming horror one?

Oh, yeah.

There's like a...

What is that one called?

Anyway, but they make a lot...

But like Jordan Peele or someone like that.

Sure, sure.

I like fresh shakes on it.

Anyway.

Yeah.

I would agree with that.

Yeah.

If there's something interesting about it, I'm good with it.

Let me tell you about this movie and why it caught our attention.

Okay.

So, it's based on true events of a family in Gary, Indiana.

It's about a single mom played by Andra Day taking care of her three sick kids and her

sick mom played by Glenn Close.

And they live in this haunted house and they're being possessed by demons.

And there's a lot of movies about demon possessions, right?

Like there's been...

I mean, so many genres that just about this.

And so, Lee Daniels studied those stories for this movie before he started making it.

And he realized that if he was going to make this movie, he wanted some sort of spiritual

protection.

So, he hired an on-set preacher to pray for the...

He told the cast and crew every day during filming.

Hallelujah.

Yeah.

What was really interesting though is he told Variety in an interview that Netflix, who

distributed the film, sent someone from HR to tell him like, hey, this could kind of

be offensive.

You can't really do that.

And he told them he's not going into this every day without praying.

And so, he told the cast and crew like, you don't have to be here when the preacher is

here.

But nearly all 200 cast and crew members stayed because they really wanted to be prayed over.

Yeah.

And so, we saw this because Andra Day, she was on CBS Sunday Mornings talking about just

kind of how she was relieved to have this pastor on set.

And we have a clip of her talking here.

Y'all had a preacher on set that prayed every day and you prayed with the group.

Why was that important for you?

Well, I didn't know he was going to be there at first.

So, I was really happy he was there because I'm a praying person.

So, I like to pray before every scene, before everything that we do, every show.

Nate, before she came up.

We were praying in the green room, I'm like, okay, before you came out here, yes.

But I think, and having, his name was Apostle Lewis, and he was amazing to have on set.

And I think, I think what it meant is that we're taking seriously the topics that we're

dealing with, not just dealing with the paranormal and the spirit realm, but also taking seriously

the emotional weight of what it is that we're dealing with.

You know, these characters do stay with you.

They can traumatize you for sure.

Yeah.

But I think that's also, I think sometimes, I think it's, we are to take certain things

seriously, but I also don't believe that we're supposed to be walking in fear.

And that's part of the reason I agreed to do the movie is that I was sort of reminded

through prayer that like, I have authority over these things.

These things are underfoot.

And it was important for me to remember that and to show this woman exemplifying that and

overcoming that.

So, it was amazing having him on set and praying with the team and, you know, it was great.

I think that is very wise.

I like what she says there.

I like the spiritual perspective, but also, I'm not like, you know, I think we all have

our different backgrounds and, you know, Cameron and I grew up in, you know, particularly charismatic

circles where sometimes, again, I'm trying to be diplomatic here, but there were, in

those circles, there were people who were prone to superstition as much as they were

spirituality.

So, sometimes you had to kind of use some discernment on stuff.

Yeah.

But I do remember Scott Derrickson who has been in the magazine, big-time filmmaker, and

he's doing Marvel movies now, you know, but one of his first films was an exorcism film,

the Exorcism of Emily Rose, which I'm pretty sure he spoke to the magazine about back in

the day.

He said that during the filming of that, a lot of weird stuff was happening.

The lead actress, her radio in her room where she was staying would turn on in the middle

of the night.

Yeah.

And repeat the line from Pearl Jam's I'm Still Alive, where it just says, I'm still alive.

I'm still alive.

Like on repeat, multiple nights and no one had any explanation.

And I'm out.

Like literally, I'm done.

I would be gone.

But Scott Derrickson said that wasn't something from the film.

That was happening on set because it was the same.

He was just saying like the implication was even filming those stories.

You're dabbling in something that is, you know, there's a degree of like spiritual darkness with.

And if you're a religious person, you know, it's probably better to take that seriously, you know.

Yep.

But that's a real Scott Derrickson story.

Yeah.

It is very interesting that all that stuff is happening behind the scenes.

But, you know, glad that people are taking their faith seriously and doing what they're supposed to be doing.

Speaking of people taking their faith seriously,

I want to talk about this.

I want to talk about this next thing.

Do you guys remember last year there were a lot of these like spontaneous student gatherings

and baptisms happening on college campuses like Auburn, University of Georgia?

Like, do you remember all those that were happening last year?

Baylor.

Yeah.

Baylor.

Yeah.

I remember Auburn was Jenny Allen was speaking at a gathering and then they all afterwards

went outside to like the pond and just baptized kids.

That was great.

Yeah.

And you can see those videos are just like thousands of people there.

Well, college started up last week and looks like those services

are back because at Ohio State last weekend.

Oh, sorry.

The Ohio State.

Sorry.

The Ohio State.

Yeah.

The Buckeyes.

Nearly a thousand students attended one of these services where dozens of students got

saved in these like they brought up these like huge tubs of water for kids to get baptized.

And what's really cool about this is that the event was led by four Ohio State football

players.

They like each got up on stage.

Oh, sorry.

You're booing these football players sharing their testimony.

I hope they repented for playing for such an evil.

Maybe the Lord will be working on their heart and they'll move on to such a scandal ridden

institution.

That's Michigan, isn't it?

That's all of them.

It's all.

OK, got it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I have a whole Michigan take after watching that documentary.

That's a whole nother pod.

But I don't know if you guys watch that about the sign stealing.

No interest.

Well, I'll wait.

No interest.

No, I just wanted to bring this up because it's one.

It's just really cool to see like all these videos of like literally thousands of students

like coming out for this.

And like, I mean, I know y'all went to a Christian university.

I went to a state one.

We were not having events where thousands of students were coming out and like getting

saved and hearing the message.

So like this is very unique.

Like there is clearly something happening on college campuses right now.

And we are excited about that.

And I like I ideally I would bring a story like this every week.

Like I would love that personally.

And and the fact that you're a Christian, you're a Christian, you're a Christian, you're

a Christian.

And the fact that it was football player led, you know, obviously is part of what attracted

the crowd.

It's like, hey, there's our guys.

And then they're out there sharing their faith boldly wearing like Christian T-shirts and

stuff is really amazing to see.

And honestly, you see one and then it's like that kind of sparks the idea at another campus

and another.

I would love to see this kind of snowball.

That'd be awesome.

Yeah, it's really cool.

Organic thing.

But I'll tell you, if a college revival spreads from across the nation and across the world

and it all comes back in history books, say it started because of Ohio State football

players, that's going to be very disappointing to me.

It's going to it's going to lead to a lot of people having a crisis of faith.

The whole deconstruction, the whole revival skips the entire state of Michigan.

The whole deconstruction movement like kicks back up again because a lot of people are

just very conflicted.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

That's great.

OK.

All right.

And we're moving on to the last thing.

I can't handle this.

I don't.

I don't even like Ohio State, but I can't listen to this.

The Ohio State.

You have to lean into how dumb they are.

Anyway.

I keep disrespecting them.

OK.

Last thing.

Normally, you know, we recommend like songs or music coming out or movies coming out that

are just like can't miss.

They're so important, so impactful.

You need to hear this.

And what I'm about to recommend might be one of the most important things that we've ever

talked about.

I know what it is.

I love how we talked about what's what's what Napoleon Dynamite guy do after.

And now we're talking.

Well, it's like the hint is this is the Tiger King people's next project.

So that's exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about this crazy.

So, OK.

Yeah.

If you don't know, if you haven't been watching this docuseries, you are seriously missing

out.

This literally is the same director's Tiger King.

So know that it's at that level.

This series has been putting out parts for the last few weeks.

The finale is coming out this Sunday.

So you need to start watching it right now so you can watch the finale with us.

So, yeah, the director found his.

His next muse, his next Joe Exotic, if you will, and a woman named Tanya Haddix, who

refers to herself as the Dolly Parton of chimps.

And if that doesn't get you interested, I don't really know what will.

But it is about like her obsession with chimpanzees.

And she like owned some of them and like helped rescue sort of helped rescue some of them.

But there's a lot of a lot of gray area there.

But it follows her legal battle with PETA, who is convinced she is illegally hiding a

famous chimp named Tonka.

And I'm not going to give away spoilers, but we are going to play the trick.

We're going to do it for you.

Tonka and I just found each other and Tonka loved me as much as I love Tonka.

It was meant to be.

It was just natural.

It's like your love for God.

And I'll do anything to protect that.

Try me anything.

Anything.

That fight over chimpanzees.

Chimpanzees should be over.

The chimpanzee lady now making national news.

They're going to have to bring sheriffs and they're going to have to bring everything

that they can.

I would give anything that I had possession wise up for that child.

I would give my life for him.

And that's exactly what I did.

Jesse, have you been watching this at all?

No, I'm waiting to bench the whole thing.

This is one that I will hunker down.

But I do love the fact that the Tiger King guy.

It's like, you know, he's for his next project isn't like I'm going to show the world that

I'm a really great storyteller by just finding a new, unique story.

It's like, no, no, I'm really locked into people that own rednecks that own large, dangerous

animals on the fringes of the law.

Like, I love that.

That's the beat.

What's crazy is because Tiger King was so successful, he is known in the crazy animal

people world.

Like his face is known because, you know, he's a famous director.

And so.

So in the first episode of this one, which is a four part docu series in the first one,

he he says this like, I, I know about this other world of chimp owners, but they won't

let me do a documentary about them because they saw Tiger King.

So he hires a fake director.

So there he is.

He never interacts with any of these people.

An actor does an actor playing a director does.

It's the craziest.

This world, dude, there's there's stuff you find out, there's stuff you see.

And and it's like the Tiger King story started to spread, not just to Carol Baskin, but to

like the crazy guy in South Carolina, the crazy people in Texas.

That's what starts to happen with chimp world is like they focused in on this one story

and then you realize there's a network of it.

And like the they shot it over years.

They started in 2020 up until recently, and it took that long for them to gain trust and

infiltrate the whole world of the chimp owners.

And what's interesting to us is it's not just a crazy Tiger King story, but there's really

an ethics question of the tension between freedom and American values of freedom and

then like right and wrong in the ethics of animal cruelty and animal treatment.

And it's like it really does a great job balancing crazy characters with actually deeper themes.

And if you look back at if you look back on Tiger King, it did, too.

I mean, I.

It obviously followed the murder plot storyline and some crazy sensational stuff.

But if you reflect on Tiger King, it really is like who's right and who's wrong.

Like what?

You know that and that this one does that even more like it makes you think so.

Yeah, it's great.

You're going to have a great time with the Jesse.

Oh, I can't wait.

I can't wait.

You know, domestic monkey ownership has long been an interest of mine.

So I know this.

Yeah, it's I think you're going to have some hot takes after this.

Actually, if you can, in any way, you and Dana can binge the first three and watch on Sunday night.

I want your take next week when we record.

Done.

All right.

Great.

All right.

Well, that'll do it for Relevant Buzz.

Make sure to check out those stories and a lot more over at RelevantMagazine.com where

we cover the intersection of faith, culture and everything in between.

Thanks, Emily.

All right.

Stay tuned.

Up next, Aidan King joins us.

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Well, our guest today is Aidan King.

You know him from Hillsong Young and Free.

He took a quote-unquote break in 2022.

He's been working on his first solo project.

He just released his first single with Paul Klein from Laney.

So we caught up with him to hear more about his new music and why he wants to break down

barriers in the worship space.

Here's Aidan King.

I can't do this alone.

I'm on my way home.

I don't want to go if you don't Who am I without you?

What has it been like for you to create a project that is just completely your own?

Yeah, really fun.

It was a pretty similar process.

You know, I worked with a lot of the same guys that I would work with when I worked on,

you know, Hillsong stuff or whatnot.

And so the writing process was pretty similar, but there was less, you know, when we're writing

for Young and Free or writing for Hillsong, we're writing for a particular group.

We're writing for a particular context.

We're writing for the church and, you know, the lyrics need to be a certain way.

Like, you know, there was just a lot more kind of not red tape so much, but like just

boundaries, you know, okay, we're writing this for a church service on Sunday morning

8 a.m.

And I think, you know, writing for my own thing, I didn't really have any of those rules.

It was kind of just like, let's just throw paint and see what works and see what makes

sense.

And so that was kind of freeing and I guess the whole process kind of like helped me,

even find my own voice a lot more, you know, I think with, uh, with Hillsong, a lot of

us kind of writing was something we love to do, but it was also like a service in a lot

of ways.

It was like, you would almost sometimes forgo what you loved in order to be like, okay,

I don't, I know I don't particularly love this idea, but I think this makes sense in

the church context.

And so I kind of got to come back to being like, okay, I'm only going to do things if

I love them.

And so that was really cool.

You said that you're creating worship music, but I'm curious at any point, were you ever

considering maybe trying a different lane?

Yeah, this is, it's a full worship record.

So that was kind of the journey of the last three years was I moved here with the intention

of putting out a pop record and I was like signed to like management over here, um, like

was about to sign a deal, um, was working with A&R's here, had a full record done that

was pop.

Um, and in the, over the course of a couple of years being here, it just felt like, not

that that didn't feel right, but I was like, I just not having the outlet that Hillsong

was, um, you know, worship's always been kind of, that was the place where I discovered

my love for music in the first place.

And so it felt like the right place.

If I was going to do something on my own, that's where I wanted to start.

And so this is like a full worship record.

And even throughout the process, like Jason Ingram is one of the producers.

He's on the record, Jason and Ben Tant and Jason was so, um, just like on me about making

sure that if I'm making a decision that this is going to be a worship record, then it's

a worship record.

And like from like thematically, musically, like he was so like in every detail, making

sure that, okay, we did, okay, we're staying on track.

So that was really cool.

So yeah, I could definitely say this is just like a straight up worship record.

I got to be honest.

I was really surprised by your first single with Paul Klein from Laney, uh, who is a Christian,

but not necessarily a Christian artist because he's just someone I never expected to hear

on a worship song.

So why did you want to collaborate with him?

And are there more artists like that, that you want to work with?

Yeah.

So the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the record is, um, essentially like how it all came about was, you know, a lot of conversations

throughout the years of COVID, not COVID since I moved here where, you know, I was, I had

a lot of indecision about what to do with myself personally, musically, and even just

being in America by myself being like, what am I doing?

And I think over the course of those years, like a lot of friends who are in the music

space as well, who had working in different genres.

And I think it was pretty obvious.

Yeah.

To me that a lot of them were like, you know, a lot of people encourage me in the worship

space.

And so, but a lot of these people also would love to sing in the worship space, but haven't

had like the ability to do that.

You know, they love Jesus and, but they're in a pop band or they love Jesus and they,

you know, they're in like an indie rock band.

And if they talked about Jesus in their band, then that wouldn't be good for them.

And so slowly, but surely, you know, I'd be writing songs with these guys and they, it

would just make sense.

They're like, oh, I'd love to sing on this.

And I'm like, okay, well, like, how does that work?

Like, um, and throughout the process of writing the record, it was obvious to me that the

record was kind of just like this inclusive record in that I was including voices that

I know for a fact we wouldn't have been able to do had I been in Young and Free and not

because of some legalistic reason, but because Hillsong had, we were like, we're, we're

writing songs based out of our church.

So it's the people that attend our church, go to our church.

And so that was also part of the process that became really freeing was that I would

be like, oh, okay, I can have Paul Klein sing on this song with me.

You know, he's in Lady, but like, that doesn't matter.

I don't need to ask anyone's permission.

He loves Jesus.

He's never sung about Jesus publicly and he wants to.

So cool.

That was actually the whole record has become this space of like giving people, there's

a lot of features on the record and a lot of people that haven't sung publicly.

Like they've maybe worshiped in their church when they were younger or haven't for a long

time.

And I've always wanted to.

And so the record has become this like open space for those people to have like a place

to sing worship songs, which, you know, has always been like, I've always loved that.

I've always loved the ability to allow worship to be this space that everyone can just be

unified.

And so that's the record.

And that was the heart of it.

I just wanted to like kind of break down a lot of those barriers and maybe, maybe, you know,

maybe they only existed within me, like where, you know, you couldn't sing worship if you

weren't at church 17,000 times a week.

Like that was just kind of the culture that, you know, a lot of us got so used to.

And so that's why this record feels really important to me is that it's giving voice

to a lot of people that haven't had that opportunity before.

I think it's really cool that you're trying to bring in sort of new voices into the Christian

music space, because I haven't seen a lot of worship artists do that yet, but I think

a lot of Christian listeners would really love to see it more.

Yeah.

No, it feels really great.

And I feel like that was, it felt natural.

And so that's why I feel like to me, I'm like, you can't, it's not like a forced thing.

If that makes sense, you know, and all these guys, like even through the years, I've been

through their own art, like, I feel like I've experienced like the presence of Jesus

in all of the stuff that they do, you know, and that it hasn't been, it's not, they're

not exclusively saying Jesus, but it's like, I just think like the gift that they have

is a gift from God and you can't help but see Jesus in when people actually just use

their talents and their God-given gifts.

So yeah, it's really sweet.

That was Aidan King.

Make sure to listen to his new single.

Thank you so much, Jesus.

It's out now.

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It's time for your feedback.

Last week, we got talking about the news during RelentBuzz, the news that Chick-fil-A is launching

its own streaming service with original programming.

We went down the rabbit hole of coming up with ideas for the new streaming service,

but then we wanted your input as well.

So we asked you to hit us up on Twitter at chick-fil-a.com.

We asked you to hit us up and tell us your ideas for the new Chick-fil-A streaming service

coming one day.

We have no idea when it's coming out.

I will be in the same room as Chick-fil-A leadership in early November, so there is

a chance that I'll be able to pitch some of these.

I love it.

You hit us up on X at Relent Podcast.

Here's some of our favorites.

All right.

I like this one from Alty Amy, mainly because I appreciate the obscure reference.

You remember the Christopher Guest movie, Mascots?

Want that for people in the cow costumes.

I would totally watch that.

I rewatched Mascots recently because I felt like that was the only one that Christopher

Guest got a log I'd only seen one time.

Still holds up.

When he gets invited to perform at a school and he's on stage doing his routine and halfway

through realizes it's a school for the blind, it is amazing because mascots can't talk or

make any noise.

And so it was a great scene.

I don't know if you guys.

I've seen Mascots recently.

I forgot it was for the blind.

I'm not saying it's his best work, but it's highly rewatchable.

Speaking of 90s movies, what's your favorite Christopher Guest movie?

I mean, it's evolved over the years, but I always go back to Spinal Tap.

Even though he didn't direct it, he was just the star of it.

But that was like the first mockumentary.

If I had to pick one he directed, a lot of people are probably going to go with Waiting

for Guffman.

I'd probably go with Best Sin Show.

Parker Posey and her husband's character, they're two adults with braces who are constant.

They're the most high-strung people in the world.

They alone, or like the constant theme of Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara's character

of being broke and trying to talk their way.

They're staying in the janitor's closet and stuff.

He's switching out credit cards.

There's just so many good running gags to that movie that I feel like that one just hits

still.

What about you guys?

I feel like...

People with Christopher Guest movies are like they are with Wes Anderson movies, and

it's almost like the first one you saw becomes the one you love the most, because the other

ones are so similar.

You see them as derivative to your first one.

Yeah.

And so, you know, like what...

Like I...

Yeah, anyway.

My favorite of all time, my favorite movie of all time, not just Christopher Guest movie,

is Waiting for Guffman.

I have dressed up as little Corky for Halloween many years.

Like I...

I love that movie.

I watch it twice a year.

Still have not shown it to Cohen yet.

That's coming.

Yeah.

But because I wouldn't be able to handle the disappointment if he didn't love it.

You know what I mean?

So it's like...

Yeah.

Best in Show was the first one I watched, because that's one of my mom's all-time favorite

movies.

And I do love that one.

But Waiting for Guffman is like...

Just the characters and all of them are truly so good.

Here's another hot take.

The DQ.

Yeah.

It would be a place for me at a Dairy Queen.

I mean, this is a hot take, and I don't know if Ricky Gervais has any history, but I'd

be bold enough to say, if there was no Christopher Guest, there'd be no Office, because the Office

just co-opted the mockumentary style and the quick cutaways to characters talking to the

camera and expository scenes that are really funny, that reveal something about the character,

people looking at the camera.

Like, Christopher Guest nailed that before The Office or Parks and Rec or any of those

other shows that follow that format.

Christopher Guest set the mold for all of those shows.

And Waiting for Guffman in particular leans into the mundanity and the absurdity, but

very, very subtle.

Whereas Best in Show is a little bit more over-the-top, because it's a more over-the-top

world that they're trying to cover.

But the fact that it's just so droll and slow...

The Office really does tap into that.

You're right.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Anyway.

All right.

Any other feedback?

Daniel Clardy said he always thought a Game of Thrones-style show based on the Old Testament

would go incredibly hard.

I do agree.

And it would be rated hard R. It would be more explicit.

It really would.

There's incest.

There's...

Yeah, I mean...

There's no other way to tell the story.

Yeah.

It's graphic.

Have you ever seen the Good Liars clips online?

I mean, obviously, these two guys who pose as journalists and they go to Trump rallies...

And interview people.

And they're very straight-faced.

And so, the Trump people fall in thinking they're talking to the press.

And the guys ask them very sincere questions about their values and what they stand for.

And one...

They got into the book-banning topic the other day.

And, oh, yeah, we don't want this and this and this in front of the kids.

You wouldn't want a story that said this and this and this, right?

Yeah.

Do you think the Bible should be in the schools?

Of course, it should.

But, okay, everything I just said is from the Bible.

Yeah.

The people's shock of like...

Oh, I don't think I've actually read the Bible.

You know what I mean?

It's like...

Yeah.

No, I mean, the Bible is crazy.

The Old Testament's nuts.

Yeah.

Especially the OT, you know?

Yeah.

The O-G-O-T.

I like Cynthia's suggestion for a Chick-fil-A dating game where couples compete in different

like competitions and stuff, whatever, like nugget stacking.

Is it called I Love Them Nugs?

No.

Sorry.

Oh, no, it's not.

No, find someone by Sunday.

Yeah, you have to find someone by Sunday, otherwise you're out.

That makes sense.

It's a time crunch.

You got to go to church.

And I can see someone by Sunday, the new Chick-fil-A original series.

Ooh, that's good.

Yeah.

I like it.

All right.

Well, there's a lot more where that came from.

Go read our mentions at Relevant Podcast.

Okay, it's time for this week's...

Editorial question of the week.

Say it.

Well, we got talking organically, just talking about like older movies, TV shows that we

used to love that nobody really talks about anymore and, you know, going back and revisiting

them.

Okay.

All right.

So we want to know from you, what are some of your most loved things from years gone

by?

I would say, let's go 1980s, 90s, and early 2000s, like vintage stuff that you love, that

you think still holds up and more people should love the way you love it.

Hit us up.

Tell us yours.

Tell us why you love it.

And if you can, find a little 30-second YouTube clip, send that, and we'll play some on the

show next week as well.

We will make Cohen watch all of them.

Yes.

And he will tell you the high school perspective on the thing you love.

I will be submitting clips from the high school musical franchise.

Oh, God.

Because it does still hold up.

We said it has to hold up to more than just people who are six years old.

It can't be unintentional comedy.

Let's put that caveat.

It was intentional comedy.

Was it?

There were some funny parts.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay.

All right.

Hit us up on X at Relevant Podcast, and we'll read our favorites on next week's show.

Well, many thanks to Aiden King for joining us today.

Make sure to check out his new solo music.

Go over to Spotify or Apple Music, and there's three, four, or five singles now.

A couple came out today.

Go check them out.

Also, make sure to check out issue 115 of Relevant.

It's out now.

You can read the web version for free.

Just click the magazine tab at relevantmagazine.com.

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