Indie Comic Book Noise Episode 562 – Uninformed Turtle Talk Continues

I was going to say, is Art Germ one person, or is it like a collective or something?

Yeah, one person.

Okay.

This show is not for the easily offended, so if you are easily offended, go listen to something else.

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Why?

I don't think he needs it, right?

Like, I feel like that would just sell.

It's like Kirkman.

Yeah, these G.I. Joe books aren't going to sell.

There's a spicy hot take.

If G.I. Joe books aren't going to sell, I might as well have to go on Kickstarter.

And it's not like it's expensive, but it's not like crazy expensive, you know?

Like, it probably would have sold really well.

Like, I bet you even more if you had it just on order, you know?

I mean, if the rewards are good, like, what's the deal?

Yeah, I didn't check that.

If they feel like they want to test.

They test the waters for some of this stuff.

I mean, I think the G.I. Joe thing.

Hadn't even been doing that from the 90s, though.

But what helped for the G.I. Joe thing is I think that helped get Larry to launch his own Kickstarter.

I just feel like with Todd, like, when he's doing his nice toys like this, he doesn't need a Kickstarter.

Like, he's going to sell it.

Yeah.

Because it's not like one of those cheap statues, toys he's been doing lately.

Like, it's a nice toy.

It's like if Thor didn't have a book for a couple years and Marvel's like, well, let's test out the market for it.

One of these mighty Thor titles.

Let's go to Kickstarter.

I'd be like.

I mean, I'm sure he likes getting the money ahead of time, but I wonder if they're going to find it's kind of just a draft.

All the fulfillment hassle.

Rather than just sending, like, boxes of it to all the.

People complaining, you know, the whole time.

Yeah.

Just sending it to Walmart and Big Bad Toy Store and all them other places that they normally sell that crap in.

But, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know.

Maybe you can charge $50.

$50 for shipping or something.

It'll work out.

Oh, I'm sure shipping would be expensive because.

Yeah, it's very.

I backed the new part time comics.

Drumsticks of Doom.

I think they're relaunching it off.

I think that's the one they had on Zoop that they're.

Yeah, now it's on Kickstarter, I think.

Yeah.

And I was like, yeah, boy, shipping is hard.

But I did get my reward.

I backed on the last.

The.

Child Possession Services.

Yeah, I have that one company was just waiting for the the new one to come out and then he's he just got my address or he just did the confirmation thing and he's sending them both at once to me.

He refunded me for the shipping.

And I got a page original art, which I had done in a long time from that one.

Yeah, I got it's a bit of a spoiler because they make you scan through to see which one you want.

I mean, you don't see the lettering, but.

But let me start this.

I know.

Yeah.

Welcome back.

Everyone in the comic book.

No way.

Yes.

We.

Yay.

Insert noises here.

I guess if I was a better editor, I would.

But it's in the comic book.

Noise time.

Yes.

Me.

Andrew.

The rabbit with our two Canadian hosts.

W.

Eric's cave up in the icebox.

Yeah.

Kev.

You mean you don't have those buttons on a board where you get it like a tumbleweed sound or a horn or, you know, like a radio a million years ago.

I.

I wasn't.

I was on the college radio and we had a little cart machine or played those tapes and it was pretty silly, but I'd never really that really wasn't my jam even back then and in the nation's capital lot of water.

Phil say hi, Phil.

Hello.

And we're back with your exciting latest installment of Indycom book noise.

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What the hell?

There's a new one named that now.

It's so dumb.

I can't keep track, but I'm keeping my blue sky account and my Mastodon account.

I don't care.

As you heard from the beginning of the show, sometimes we have controversial statements.

Although I never say they're controversial.

That's just there for bad language or adult themes or whatever.

Sometimes Kevin does contradict.

Me with controversial statements.

Kevin, are you going to contradict me?

Come on, make us mad.

Kevin, tell us something.

I mean, a plane might work out better than a helicopter.

After that big plane crash.

I don't know if that was a good joke.

There was a big plane crash.

I didn't get the reference at all.

I was just trying to make you feel bad.

Not offended.

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We're just going to chit chat about whatever dumb things we think relate to indies or comics or, you know, licensed tie news segment.

I got a piece of news to tell the boys, which I'm sure they're already aware of.

And they're just going to laugh at me because this is old news, even though I think it literally broke today.

Oh, oh, is it the one I just read about?

Oh, I probably don't know about it.

And then I, I, I said.

Yeah, I wonder if there's any news because I don't think there's any news for the show.

And then two minutes before the show, I'm like, oh, that's news.

Yeah, it must be because of the big news about a new comic book company, perhaps, Kevin.

Yes.

What is it?

That's the news.

A Hollywood reporter is breaking.

But it's funny.

I guess they don't have a name of it.

But Philip Sublick, he was at Boom.

He was at other places, too.

I think it was at Aspen for a while or whatever.

He's been in the business.

He even wrote a few comics way back when.

And then Jamie Rich.

I think he was at other places, too.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think he was a lady killers tying into our recent Joelle Jones talk.

I'm pretty sure.

Wasn't he working on that, too?

So and then the one I don't know is producer Eric Gitter, who has I guess he takes comic books and turns them into movies like Scott Pilgrim and all that stuff.

So they're looking to fire up a new comic.

I'm a company, but the Hollywood reporter does not have the name of this new comic book company.

That's helpful.

The Untitled Company will issue superheroes and lean towards horror, science fiction, crime and fantasy.

I think they kind of have to.

I mean, who's starting a new superhero?

Unless you got deep pockets.

I just thought it was funny that I mean, unintentional humor.

I mean, I guess you could say, I mean, depends, I guess.

They don't have a name or they don't have.

Any titles or creators, but they said they will hope to lock up some creators with some announcements.

I was just like, oh, yeah, you're going to want to lock up those creators.

It always seems weird when there's.

Like, hey, more competition is always better, but I do feel like there wasn't really a dearth of small indie books.

But I wonder if they're going to be particularly eyeing properties.

That they think will adapt well or so.

I don't know.

I just I'm glad that, like I said, more companies are always good.

There's no like, I don't know who's making their books or anything.

So it seems kind of weird, doesn't it?

Like, hey, Kevin, maybe we should submit a comic book idea.

We can get it packaged by Tiny Onion.

We can be the their first exciting book.

You can use my new way.

No way.

We got.

Kevin and I.

That's it.

The podcast is over.

That's OK.

I'll make it with AI.

Yeah, we're going to hear some podcast come on.

I'll be like, that's our voices.

Yeah, Kevin or Phil, you say that now.

But when we get replaced by robots, you won't be laughing then, would you?

Kevin.

Kevin's AI will just be meowing the whole time.

Wow.

All right.

Well, I guess we got to get right into it.

Because Phil's asking me to get on the turtle wagon.

And I never asked you to get the first one.

Never asked you to get the second one.

So I was at the second one came out.

And I saw that there was a new title turtle book, Night Watcher.

Oh, we just we just found something out.

Kevin's not a real turtle fan after all.

Well, you found out I wasn't a real X-Men fan, too.

Wow.

This is a whole week of revelations.

We had to force you to read the last issue.

And now you don't even have this issue.

No, because this was an issue, too.

No, but it's part of the universe.

Andrew said we had to read all three.

And so I saw it in the store.

And I was like, I think this is one of those ones that they announced.

That was the continuity.

This is the one in the armor.

So I guess we're going to have spoilers, Phil.

I didn't really know the character.

It was supposed to be a big reveal.

I think.

And I was like, OK, well, here's the thing.

The reason we have to have a spoiler, too, because it's the only thing in the issue.

Yeah, it really is.

It's a Junie Bob, Pharaoh Pay, Luis Antonio Delgado, Nathan Widdick.

And I did like the cover.

I have the blue covers.

Nice.

Yeah, it's the armored creature.

So in Mutant Town.

So I just have the normal.

I think that's the same cover, maybe.

OK, in Mutant Town, there is a armored vigilante.

Now, longtime listeners know I've read a few turtle comic books back in the day and very little recently.

So I am not familiar with this armored vigilante.

I think, Phil, you said it was in the past.

Well, no, there was a cartoon once where Raphael wore an armor suit and it was really cool.

The cartoon movie.

Remember, Kevin?

The cartoon.

Yeah.

In like 2000.

And I forget when it was, but it was after the live actions, the new ones.

There was a cartoon movie and and he had an armor suit on and he was a superhero.

Never saw it.

You see, I mean, huge turtles.

Oh, my God.

It was a good movie.

But as far as I know, that's the only time I've seen it.

OK, I did.

So basically, it's a controversial.

This Night Watcher character is patrolling, taking vigilante justice.

But seems.

They're not super skilled at it, sort of like a Night Watcher year one, if you will.

Here's one of my problems, though, right away is like on the cover.

You know, it's the character on top of the car before I even knew anything about this comic.

That's how I pictured the comic was going to be.

And I feel like that's what I got.

No, I know my cover is it's all blue.

They're on a fire escape with the.

OK, yeah, mine's on top of the car.

And it's like.

I don't know, for me, it's just a very boring, like, how many times have we seen the superhero jump on top of the car, the bad guys, you know.

The part that I felt was a little overdone was the fake mockumentary.

Oh, there's too much of that if they took a few out, they just had to take a few out.

Maybe one or two at max, but they every few pages, it's a full page like interview with an interviewer asking someone how they feel about the Night Watcher character.

Or have the page.

Cut into three people, like three people on one page, you know, that would work three panels each.

So in Mutant, you know, again, everyone's going to have opinions about Night Watcher and the design also was OK.

I didn't know if I kind of think something more extreme, like either more stylish or more like junk.

Like, I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be cobbled together armor.

You know, now that you say that, it does look cobbled together a bit to me, but I didn't.

I thought it was just full armor.

Yeah, so I wasn't sure if it was supposed to be like, oh, I'm making this armor or if this was some.

I mean, it's great and it has all these red designs on it, which is nice.

I just was a little unsure if it was supposed to be something.

Because the whole torso and stuff does not look like armor.

It's just the arms, legs and helmet.

It looks like maybe.

Oh, I think I see the cover you have.

Yeah, I have the John Lankery cover.

I bought the digital.

So I think. Yeah.

It's just the basic.

Yours is the basic one.

So the character goes through fighting these vigilantes.

The character is also wondering, like their role and how it goes.

And then the big reveal at the end.

I don't know who this character is, but did it was it like a gut punch or something?

Was this a big surprise?

Isn't it just the female turtle from the last series?

But I thought I didn't remember her name, I guess it does.

I don't know much about her either.

I didn't read much of her.

OK, so because, you know, it's kind of done.

It's not on a page turn, but it is like she takes the helmet off.

You can't really tell.

But then they do say her name.

And I was like, oh, and this is like right before the end of the book.

So I assume that's supposed to be like this.

Whoa, I didn't see it was or oh, I knew it was her or whatever.

And I'm like, I don't know who this is.

I was hoping for a little more of a surprise.

I feel like they shouldn't have even told us the first issue.

Maybe, you know, like kind of keep the mystery, because now what draws me here, because I

feel like I just got a first scene of a comic, you know, the whole time it could have been

done in half the issue or less.

It really is just the one encounter with the bad guys.

Yeah.

All those interstitial interviews.

Yeah.

And then the reveal.

And that's the whole book.

So I do feel like, yeah, maybe there's no you got to set up the world works as one shop.

Yeah.

Well, I also thought, and while everybody does a great job, the fight scenes weren't

for me particularly dynamic or they're not bad or anything, they just weren't anything.

And that's kind of it for this book.

So if the gut punch reveal doesn't work, I mean, I guess there's the humor with all the

interstitials.

But I think and that was the other weird thing, like, was it is this going to be a funny book,

like a Ryan North squirrel girl or more of a.

Yeah.

Like serious.

And because I think it'll be a mix, maybe I don't know this character.

I don't know if she's like a serious character or kind of a goofy one.

Well, I feel like she's going to be serious, but the townspeople are going to be the goofy

part.

Oh, I could see that.

Yeah.

With those silly interviews in the middle.

Yeah.

I see your blue cover now.

Yeah.

But what?

So what?

So what do you know about this character?

Like, I assume she's really good.

Nothing.

I just.

I guess from the previous run, because that's when I stopped reading, was when they became

the homeless soup kitchen turtles.

I thought they showed up on like issue 50.

That was like.

Oh, maybe I don't remember.

They're like first appearance or something.

Yeah.

But, you know, must know about her a lot, Kevin.

I feel like I know more than you do, which is weird.

And then I thought they became a turtle like on the run to 100.

So what do you know about her, Kevin?

Yeah.

I mean.

I don't know.

I thought they were like.

What do you know her origin?

Rocker type of character.

Okay.

Because she seems kind of like a younger origin.

Like like I said, more like a year one.

A good fighter, but not entirely sure of what.

Of how it works.

I mean, she does mean the guys, so it's not like she's a complete maybe more like a year

two or year three type of character.

But you don't have any.

But you don't have any strong feelings about her, Kevin, or I guess we did spoil it for

you.

No, I actually saw someone talking about it.

It's weird because normally I would say that that Twitter would be the spoilers place and

blue sky is a different place, definitely a different place, sometimes, you know.

Better or worse.

Depending.

And yeah, I just saw someone casually.

They like.

Like, well, no one's going to be talking about this.

And then I was like, oh, it's not right.

Well, I was like, good.

No, no.

I was just hoping it would be someone we wouldn't expect, maybe because I was kind of expecting

her like.

I don't know.

I know.

That's kind of.

That.

Are they a comic retailer?

I don't really remember, but I just remember them saying, oh, it was flying off the shelves

or people like it or something.

And I was just like, I couldn't exact.

Like, you know, you see statements.

It's like you can't personally verify that, but you're like, OK.

I kind of knew it couldn't have been.

RAF just from the tone of the book, and if if if it's sharing a universe with the other

title, there is no way this was right now when it wouldn't make sense, like from the

tone of it and how you're reading it, there's not yet.

It's not.

It's clearly not part of the world.

Like he's in his own world right now.

Yeah.

And also his attitude is a much sort of.

Yeah.

Different one.

So you do get that through.

I guess that's what.

I don't know.

This characterization.

Bulkier.

I feel.

Yeah.

They're a bit bigger, too.

So I don't know if this is a consistent characterization of that character or like a hot new take

on Jenica.

Am I saying that right?

I don't know.

That's how I say it.

Like I said to me, it's all I'm I'm read a few turtles books back in the day.

You remember this character?

No.

You said she's from the eighties, though, right?

No, but there have been other like there was that Venus de Milo.

Yeah.

That's the one.

Turtle character.

But that's not that's not like the same character as far as I'm aware.

No, I don't think that's what confused me because I thought I didn't see the name Venus

or what.

So I didn't realize that this was.

Yeah, because that's the one I'm and I'm only vaguely familiar with that.

There's also.

Female turtle from the live action TV show.

I don't remember her name, though.

Isn't that the one?

Oh, is that the one?

Okay.

I thought that was the one.

The one what?

The Venus de Milo.

Oh, okay.

Is that that?

That's okay.

That's that one.

But yeah.

Yeah.

So I mean, I'm not.

I might pick up issue two.

Okay.

I was going to ask you.

I don't know.

Out of the two series.

Are there any?

No.

Out of the two series.

Are there any you're gonna click?

I will not get this one again.

The first one.

I definitely feel I got more out of like this one.

It really is just that.

I mean, it's barely a setup.

And yeah, so I don't because I don't know the character.

But on the other hand, if I'm there and I don't have a lot of other comics in my stack

and I'm like, Oh, we'll try issue two, but it's not anything I'm going to intentionally

like, Oh, I have to get issue two.

Yeah.

But I feel like this doesn't really.

give me much of a clue no i guess i want to know what what's her deal what's her angle what

is it going to be the supporting cast i mean in some ways it's kind of neat if she's completely

segregated from the other turtles and this is like she's her own you know dark knight turtle

yeah or whatever that's fine with me i think this is the kind of series you got to sit on it wait

and then see what storylines come out and then if you're interested you know kind of thing

nothing's better than those series where you have to sit on wait for something exciting

just to see

just to see if you like the storylines it's doing you know like you read the back of a

train you're like oh i want to read that you know well her now yeah they introduce

monty and sheena as her supporting cast but just via like a phone message thing so i'm

i'm not i don't know those characters either so we really don't even

get much of i i don't know they really i mean i always think back to what you said phil about how

they really need to make first issues like double issues or whatever they have to because you just

this i don't know anything i'm it's nowhere draw me in at all and you gave away the mystery

further along than i was except good mine now i know who this character is but i don't know

anything about them other than yeah the kind of voiceover when she's beating up the bad guys

yeah oh great we got the

fake turtle

wow now looking at the ad for mutination what do you think of the third one because you have

to get it now edgy you're in yeah i thought you meant the ad for you know i thought you

meant the ad for monster high oh no i guess it looks okay i mean i don't really know the

property that well but and there's turtles black and white and green uh mutant nation

uh because looking at the interesting cover yeah i know it really draws me in

the side story i feel like this could be the series i enjoy yeah and i you know casey jones

is kind of fun i mean yeah so i'm hoping do you treat him like a goof or do you treat him

like i feel he can go both ways he can be kind of goofy or he can be deadly serious and well

character works both ways my favorite casey jones is the family with everyone casey jones

where he kind of looks out for everyone sort of thing you know so maybe more on the serious side

oh i thought it would be when he invades octopus ink i don't think i know that one well also if

this is going to be the light-hearted funnier one maybe that one will be like you say kind of

the side story one i don't know if they're trying to make it like like there's the main one and then

the funny one and then the side story one i'm guessing the side story will be different

characters each time because i swear i saw one with obs side story so i think it's different

characters like

it might be kind of like an anthology series sort of that could be it's just funny i live in this

world of like i don't know what's gonna what they announce what the comic books are at a time

but yeah i find the ad very eye-catching so yeah yeah the art is

would like if i saw that on the stands i would be like oh what's this this looks interesting

but i thought the cover this this blue the one i have the the very interesting too is a cool

looking cover

and i didn't realize it was a different artist until like looking at all four here i would

probably have chose the one you have yeah it's john lankrey did the art for this and i don't know

just the the also the the the mask looks more beak like like he's a bird yeah or something

almost it's just it's different you know like it's just a little different yeah but you know

me i'm a sucker i'm always buying comics for their covers wow

he's buying all those graded books and comics just for their covers well good news is i don't

think you'll have to worry about getting the reprint for this by mistake well then the night

watcher thing is gonna be i like that they've branded it so you're clearly like that has the

teenage turtles but i like that they're making it clear like this is its own thing yeah yeah i think

it'll stand on its own fine like that so you don't remember casey jones going to

his job interview and he was wearing the mask and then someone at that company sort of like

hired this guy yeah now that you say that i remember a job interview with the mask but i

can't pinpoint where that's from or what okay yeah but i do remember that

i mean at this point there must be a truly shocking amount of comics because they have

the ad for the 40th anniversary but they're using like an eastman laird image i'm like

oh that looks cool then i realize it's probably going to be 80 like weird crap from the oos or

you know what i mean the o's the aughts the zeros whatever we're calling the 2000s i call it the

zero zeros the zero zeros era which is something i don't know i don't even really know the 90s so

i mean i don't think eastman and laird were drawing them back then so i i kind of like

all the different turtle volumes i'd say

say like the image one i like a lot and that's probably people's least favorite i'm guessing

that's what i'm thinking like some of that image stuff or or some of that late late

mirage or i love that mirage stuff or like self-published you know maybe it was self-published

stuff there was that weird turtles book where like the issues go for like 75 dollars

like i don't know how many times they've reprinted that stuff

those old issues are expensive

especially first print number one oh yeah even the counterfeit first is worth some money i mean

i'm always trying to snag an old turtle issue here or there just for the only thing the only

originals i have are the old ones are the mirage ones some of those but otherwise it's all reprints

and shit i've been i've read trades you know apparently also i don't i'm not really up on idw

but they're a little ad on the back and the thing they talk about obviously the

early artist edition which is big this book but also the my little pony but looks like they

rebooted it because it's issue three or something which is weird kind of a shame i thought it'd be

cool if it was like who you try to reach here with that info i thought it'd be cool if it was

you know the 75th issue or something like i like long runs on books and i know my little pony and

i know they gotta reboot these things all the time but there's something fun about seeing a book and

it's got a big high note and it's got a big high note and it's got a big high note and it's got a

number on it if it's a question is if you're getting that massive collection of adventure time

because i'm like 75 issues or more if you count like all the mini series and everything and

they're doing like these huge like not compendiums because that's like images thing but i forget what

they call it adventure time is getting these big big collections from oni i uh i have the second

half of the adventure time series so i'm definitely getting those uh first two volumes

and then i i think that brings me up to what i have in issues not gonna be i i'm adventure time

never i don't okay but yeah i watched like one episode of the cartoon and that was it yeah i've

only watched a bit too and uh and i do like the world and everything but and i'm not like a crazy

fan but i like the comics i don't know i was enjoying the comics a lot the thing about the

comics is you get so many different cartoonists that's like a whole generation of people well it's

like uh it's like uh simpsons treehouse of horror right like yeah yeah exactly yeah oh damn now i'm

more interested i don't yeah i don't i don't like the simpsons at all but i love those treehouse i

buy all the hard covers and the issues of the treehouse of horror ones yeah they had some

artists they had some deep talent on that treehouse oh yeah and a lot of the stories i don't even like

but just the art and everything is just oh i love it no i'm i mean i never read the simpsons comic

at all but the treehouse of horrors i would pick up if i saw yeah like that's the only shows i

would have watched too like i didn't like the show at all but i loved the treehouse episodes

oh i actually like the show but i don't need to i don't know it's weird cartoon show every american

i'm rarely running down the comics although i guess the gotcha man comic but that's because

steve was like go read this so i did but i don't normally i don't know for some reason if it's a

cartoon that i like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know

i guess i feel like why do i need another version of this type of thing though like

remember rick and morty i like the comic better than the cartoon like i'd rather read the comics

better for me so i don't really watch the cartoon like i have a bit of it but uh the comics yeah i

love so for me it's the opposite you know like like same for manga i don't like the anime i

like the mangas you know i think i liked rick and morty if i'm on a plane some things i like

on planes and some things when and you try and watch them somewhere else and you're like this

isn't quite the same something about being on a plane it was another show i want uh i can't

remember who it was hank azaria and he plays it like a sports announcer and the same thing i

watched like a ton of it on planes but i don't think i never i've ever i tried to look at it

in other scenarios i'm like yeah this is the same yeah funny enough i haven't watched simpsons in

years

but i did watch one of the newer episodes from the latest season on a plane yeah watch them so

you have so that means you have watched it in years i don't know it's like season what 32 or

something now and i like haven't really watched it with any seriousness since i don't know maybe

season like 14 or something yeah i don't remember when i stopped watching it but i'm sure it was uh

in the 90s imagine

yeah i think i've watched a lot i mean there was a it's been on so long there were years that

i missed i'm sure but i always liked it and it was also short like 22 minutes or whatever not a

not a significant uh commitment of my life for the old timey but yeah so anyway do we

didn't turtle night watcher number one from idw for the rich price of uh four bucks i think five

bucks i can't on this blue

not canadian canadian you're getting more ripped off not 399 so hard to read on this but i do like

this variant cover phil so you said you're out on this series oh 100 out yeah andy probably out

but if i see number two and i'm standing there and i'm like i need another comic i'll buy it

storyline in maybe once they get going in this you know and there's actually more story to it

then maybe you never know right but as far as now i'm yeah i'm not interested at all i mean i didn't

do a page count but it felt kind of light on pages didn't it phil yeah it did i think that's just

because the action went so fast maybe or maybe because they put so many ads at the back maybe

that's it too i know dynamite used to drive me crazy with that you'd be like oh this is i got

so much left of the comic and then you're like the back half is all house ads yeah isn't that

because they have to show you every variant cover which

you can't see

takes many pages uh well on my digital they're all on one page they're all one page here they

do little they make them they shrink them down so you get to ask you if it if it's a cartoonist

that's not drawing and they're only writing it that will have an effect on your comic

like i know j Vad from just doing his own stuff no i don't know either of these cats so

it was new to me didn't stop me from buying it but that's

because

i was on the turtle wagon so that's like the spawn wagon that's like the spawn train well

except hopefully it lasts i keep making him waste his money so i don't know what property

we're gonna hit next but there's one coming up stay tuned hey i'm still on the the energon

universe so that wasn't me though i didn't recommend that one yeah i actually read one

of those just in case you would bring it up on this episode i wanted to be prepared so you didn't

spoil it for me no i try not to spoil that stuff well oh that's right it's not new comic book day

i don't know is it still it's wednesday down here yeah but do you guys get your books up there

it's not possible i i don't know i've heard that some people were complaining that like

street date isn't held as much as it used to be anymore but as you say kevin you never know if

this is just some weird crank or an actual real thing

so i don't know if you get your books tuesday night or what like i know i've heard rumors that

you can get them on different days or because now with all the different shipping companies

well the the first problem here is that dc moved to tuesday yes andrew's getting us to talk about

dc and then one of the things at that retailer summit was you need to have everyone release on

the same day i don't think you know because it's more of an event and then people aren't going to

come back or whatever why not why can't we have going back to wednesday why can't we have new

comics every day like for me it's no big deal like who cares i like having it one yeah for you

i'm one day because it's easier to kind of try and get in there i don't want to go every day

and and for the comic shops if they choose to i'm sure they can just sell it the next day with

the rest you know uh it's the whole problem if you if you if you're in a big city and just say

don't it's like when diamond shorts you a box and you're like oh great but the competitor has the

books out you don't want to be in that situation i've had that issue with diamond where my comic

store didn't get issues because they shorted a box and so all a better reason to get a different

shipping company right well part of the issue at least down here locally is wednesday would be the

day they're open usually later and

or earlier so they can put resources behind making that be the day that everything happens

where if it's uh somewhere on tuesday somewhere on wednesday somewhere on friday well then they've

how do they staff that and every extra few hours they're open doesn't seem like a lot but

that's more money they got to pay to have staff and all that stuff going on so i think the one

day a week i can't imagine that the retailers don't prefer that

exactly

but i also don't like i said someone was saying i thought that some and i but i can see the

advantage of if you could tell a bunch of comic book guys hey you want your books a day early so

you can leak them out on social media or whatever i can see how people would be on to that and be

like oh hell yeah i want to spoil the latest whatever so before other people get it so no

next question how many just how many had some undercover guy come in though

maybe like oh i see you've been sort of like those mystery shoppers and then they find out that

that you're selling books early and everything i guess but aren't most stores how many randos i feel

like a lot of not they don't have walk-ins but i feel like most there's bigger problems in the

world they know you're saying i was a mystery shopper whenever i go to another city that's more

i mean you do get

tourists or people they're like oh i'm just driving by inside but most of the time when i

go to the store he's talking it seems like they already know each other and i know he knows me

and things and even the store i went to a lot less that just now is online only they usually

recognize me and or at least would pretend to type of thing i don't know that most stores get

that many i don't know i just feel like do they get like a thousand people a day or whatever that

they don't recognize wow i don't think that's i don't think it's like a walmart or something type

of thing well most stores aren't big enough to get a thousand people a day in the first place

yeah so i feel maybe it's a different uh but you're right mystery shoppers could do that but

who what's in it for dc to do that like

warner

brothers is really gonna pay somebody to go around and it just seems like it'll it'll be that

guy from discovery channel that'll lay down the hammer he doesn't care i also don't think there's

any i don't think the publishers really care i mean i guess it's more to the benefit of the

stores or the distributor or something i don't see them paying but someone must be i don't like

really are there mystery shoppers checking

street

street date well i know in the toy department some of them now the bigger places they can

usually lock the computer but i've heard toy scalper types talk about ways around beating

street date to get toys early that stalkers don't know they're not supposed to be released

till this date sometimes they can wheedle it out of the system and get them ahead of time type of

thing i mean i'm not really that into the toy thing i mean i like it but i don't i'm not trying to

get some weird exclusive or whatever it's where i'm trying to trick the cashier into letting something

go i feel like we're heading down this depressing train track here all right well let's uh bring up

an exciting book then yeah okay it's a happy book so since the you guys hate the turtles i'll tell

people a book they can actually purchase and enjoy sure we like that i like when you take

digs at us kevin

uh i gotta take some digs at the x-men too

you're bringing up marvel giving me hard time about bringing up i know he hates the x-men

but he brings up marvel constantly on this show i can i can know every time i bring up marvel on

this show since this show i can hate on marvel on this show and everyone be like he's an indie guy

he's got a point he's got a point i don't like him giving me stick about dc when he's always

talking about marvel

it's true he's also i mean we don't have a dc podcast it's true you need to get that dc release

somewhere anyways go on tell us about your marvel book that you want people to buy

i i feel like this is this is not how it went but i feel like in my brain this is how it went okay

just let me get that out there first so tom brevert uh new editor of the

of the x-men titles at marvel is just like yeah we're not doing that that hickman stuff anymore

and then karen gillen is like oh we're not okay well i'll just launch my new image comic series

so if you want that good good x-men stuff uh just come over here and read my book

i feel like that's not how it went down but that's how it went down

so it's like cyclops but spelled with k's and stuff like that

it's not it's not black hammer or it's not copra okay because you can do that i mean they can't

if you literally you know have a cyclops guy and uh you know angry beaver guy and all kinds of

stuff there's there's no stopping that so i got the power fantasy from karen gillen

and casper weingard from image comics the first issue oh image they still make comics

i mean not skybound spawn because i feel like all the little imprints are taken over by the way

so this is image proper not stupid uh wild storm or anything uh dc property

you know what i mean i mean top cow and skybound kevin uh

he's such a stickler about this stuff sure

sure we'll go with that i have to laugh though the back cover is you know they usually have that

bit on the inside about all the events you know it's it's a coincidence blah blah blah that type

of legal speak well they have that on the back cover but it's for like many different languages

but if you read into it there's actually like extra stuff in there i love that bit

like i know wizard magazine

used to do that bit where you would always read the legal thing because they'd always put something

in there so then there's something in here like oh i'm gonna have to do this every issue now aren't i

since i've done this once and it's just in here so i'm like now i'm gonna have to check every issue

to see if something's in there yeah i hope he never does it for like two years and then does

it again and he'll have spent two years reading all the legal indicia looking for that little joke

exactly

okay

the one thing i'll say is you might not be blown away by the like if you hear the exact pitch

because when i was doing like a 24-hour comic or something i'd be like oh what can i do what's an

idea like you're not supposed to think of the idea but like you're supposed to do like oh i

guess the purest form is you didn't do anything at all but i would find it be helpful if you just

have the kernel of the book and you're like oh i'm gonna have to do this every issue and then do

something else because i'm like oh i guess the purest form is you didn't do anything at all but i'd be like oh i guess

what's some bad idea i can do

so this is a 24-hour comic no but i'm saying if you have it's an idea you might do for a 24-hour

comic if you're like there is like i don't know say seven superpowered heroes in the world

uh six maybe the description says six

This does not sound very X-Men-like.

Aren't there like 7,000 mutants or something?

Yeah, do they live on an island?

There is a floating island, and if there's anything I love in a comic, it's floating islands.

Like, if you were to put a floating island in Uncanny X-Men number one, I might have been there if Magneto would have been there with his floating island.

Like, I might have been like, oh yeah, I need more of this.

Yep.

I told you, Phil.

It's a stealth Marvel noise episode.

And hopefully Gail Simone doesn't listen to this.

Kevin.

I'm sure...

See, even if she listened, she would be like, my book is having rave reviews.

It's selling out everywhere.

Retailers love it.

The sales are great.

That's what she would have to say.

I even have the comic box with the picture on it.

But anyways, as Phil says, there's seven...

He's trying to spoil it for everyone.

No, six.

There's six.

That's what the description says.

Maybe five.

Read the comic.

I thought there might have been five at some point.

Yes.

Six.

Superpowered, like, atomic weapons.

Superpowered individuals.

And they pretty much...

All have to keep the peace between each other.

Otherwise, they're going to blow up the world.

So that's all I'm saying.

I'm sure we've all had our...

If you've ever thought about doing a 24-hour comic,

or thought about comics somewhat seriously,

and like, what if superheroes, what if they were like atomic weapons?

And then as soon as you start going in that serious direction,

I'm pretty sure you get to your version of the story.

I'm pretty sure you get to your version of something like that.

Well, I think of Captain Atom.

So are these guys supposed to be each one's from a different country or something,

and they represent their country's type of situation?

I mean, I'm sure there'll be some of that in here.

Because there are, like...

Oh, there's different time periods.

I know you like that, Andrew.

It can be fun.

I like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

They have a lot of time periods.

Yeah.

What's with the flash-forward, though?

It's 1966 New York.

Flash-back.

So yeah, you have these two characters talking,

and then you get introduced to them.

But there is also, like,

art on the side of a building,

and stuff like that, where they're like,

oh, we love you.

So, like, I'm thinking they've integrated into their world.

If they're not, like...

If some of them are not for us,

if they're not for a specific country,

like, they've done things.

Like, there's culture around them.

Like, there's all these different things in the world about them.

So, like, they could definitely upset the balance

and everything like that.

And I like a lot...

It's a talkie book, too.

I mean, there is some action,

but it's also a talkie book about consequences

and if we do something, if we don't do something.

There's a lot of philosophy and, you know, stuff like that.

But I thoroughly enjoyed this book.

And, like, what people would do

or certain countries maybe shouldn't do.

And then what they actually do.

And then, you know, the consequences of

when you have these superpower beings running around.

But you really like it?

I think it's one of the best first issues I've read all year.

Whoa.

Like, yeah.

So, I'm, like, totally there.

Sorry.

Almost good enough to be a Marvel book, isn't it, Kevin?

That's what you were going to say.

I'm just saying, if you like that X-Men type of stuff

that you're getting

and you're not getting that anymore,

try out the Power Fantasy.

But it doesn't sound like X-Men stuff.

I mean, I think some of the...

It's more of the concept stuff, like,

of what I want to be reading about.

And it's like,

yeah, this has...

Like, that book had some, like, crazy

different ideas and nation-building and everything.

And this is, like,

like, adding all this other stuff about the world

and wars and countries and...

Now I see why you don't like the X-Men stuff,

the new stuff,

because you're such a hardcore of the last run

that you just can't let go.

Which is funny, because they can't let go.

Because they're like,

oh, we don't want to...

You're bitter, man.

...use that stuff anymore.

You sound like a Twitter user right now.

But they're still using it.

They're like,

oh, why don't we have Captain Krakow show up or something?

I'm like, I thought you guys weren't going to do it.

Like, is that supposed to be, like,

oh, we'll use the little bit

so you can continue reading it,

but it's just, like, some...

I don't know, like,

like, it's not enough.

Like, they don't want to use that,

but it's, like, some...

I don't know, you could have made a smooth, like,

just break there,

and they just did not smooth break it.

Like, they still want to use it.

They can use,

explore some of those ideas,

but they don't want to use the island

or any of the other stuff.

You're supposed to bring this up.

It's weird.

Well, I'm glad you mentioned it, Kevin,

because I think that name...

It appeals to me.

...that name wouldn't be anything I would...

It seems kind of silly to me.

And the cover...

I mean...

The cover I'm not big on,

but I like the concept that you explained.

Which cover?

Like, the new cover,

or, like, the old cover?

Is the person floating in the air?

Oh, yeah.

Like, it's open.

No, I think it's better than the cover they solicited,

because it was, like, two characters sort of standing,

like, sort of walking

down the stairwell or something.

From what I recall,

like, this is much more action-oriented.

And this actually happens in the issue,

where, like,

you don't realize what all these elements are on the cover,

but there is a confrontation

and some very serious stuff goes on in here.

And I'm sure it's going to be, like,

every issue is going to be like the Doomsday Clock.

It's just going to be a ticking time bomb

where you're just, like, waiting for this world to explode.

Yeah, something with the name Power Fantasy,

that wouldn't have got my interest,

but your description seems more interesting.

I mean, I think I would have been worried,

like, if Warren Ellis would have came out

with a book called The Power Fantasy,

I would have been like,

oh, no, what's he going to say about superheroes now?

But, like,

Karen Gillan, like,

I kind of trust him more as a writer.

He's probably been one of the best comic writers

over maybe the last decade.

Like, some of his stuff has just been absolutely stellar.

All right, good to have a good rec.

Phil, do you feel like...

Well, I got just a couple little things, though,

very quick.

What first I picked up is a manga,

a collection of three volumes.

It was based...

There was a video game based off it on PlayStation 2

that I always wanted,

but I still haven't played called Blood Will Tell.

Do you know that game, Kevin?

Blood Will Tell?

Yeah, it's where...

I don't think I've ever heard of this.

Okay, well, the manga that it's based off of

is called Do-Ro-Ro.

Do you know that one?

Do-Ro-Ro?

It sounds like some title, like Dan to Dan or something.

Basically, it's this guy,

his dad or whatever, sold...

all his body parts and organs to demons.

What?

So, basically, he's just a head and a little stump,

and so this guy finds him

and makes him, like, sword arms,

prosthetics and stuff,

and then trains him.

So he has no sight, no nothing, right?

And trains him, and then he goes out

finding those demons to get his body parts back by one.

You know, this almost sounds like a Tezuka thing.

What's that?

Oh, yeah, it is. It's Tezuka.

Okay.

I might have heard about this from somewhere, then.

I don't recognize the title, though.

The name wrong, but yeah.

And I've only read 144 out of, like, 850 pages.

But...

Oh, I thought you were going to say volumes.

I was like...

It's three volumes.

I thought you were going to be like,

I've only read 144 volumes of the...

The whole series is one massive volume,

so it's really good.

That's why I got it.

Like, the cover is horrendous, this collected version,

but for 800-and-something pages, you know, it was cheap.

And like I said, I always wanted the video game,

but I never knew the video game was a manga,

like, based off a manga.

Really?

Yeah, so it's just this guy going around with his body,

and he's like a great fighter and stuff, you know,

because, you know, like Daredevil, right?

Like, he lost his eyesight, and all of a sudden, you know,

this guy just got better senses or whatever.

And then there's this, like, little thief following him around,

which is...

The title is named after,

and he's trying to steal his sword arms the whole time.

So there's, like, hijinks of that coming up.

So I haven't read much yet, but...

Kevin, you've got to read this, though.

I think you'd really like it.

Um...

Or maybe you have read it, just, yeah, don't even remember that,

because I feel like this would have been a really famous one.

I feel like there's gears turning in my head,

and now I'm wondering if that

Pantagraphics manga-splaining book

that came out, Search and Destroy,

if that is also the one it's based on.

Oh, okay.

It has the same type of idea?

I think so.

Because it's so cool to me.

Not exactly, but...

I think so.

And that's what you do in the video game, too.

You hunt down demons, and you get your organs and body parts back one by one.

Are you reading this in print or digitally?

Print.

I got it, like, the collected version.

Of print, yeah.

Because it's a really good price.

When you read it digitally, do you page backwards?

I don't do manga digitally, I just do print for manga.

Oh, okay.

For digital, it's more Marvel and DC these days.

Indie and manga, I'll pick up and print.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Except for Turtles.

Except for, yeah, things like Turtles.

That's because I knew I wasn't going to get into the series, probably,

unless it was in trade, maybe.

So it was more just sampling.

Same for the spawns.

You know, I was kind of just...

I was just sampling it.

I just went a little overboard.

Just sampling.

I just read 50 issues the whole time.

I know, yeah.

That's because they were on sale, and they were so cheap compared to Marvel and DC.

So I was like, fuck it, they're a couple bucks each.

Might as well pick them up, right?

And then the other thing I read was...

This came out last year.

I didn't know, and I wish I did,

because it's really easy to get, and 30 bucks American.

It's really cheap still.

And it's the Collection by Image Megaton Archives, Volume 1.

You know, the one where Savage Dragon started and all that?

So I have the original...

Like, I have issue 2 and 3, which have Savage Dragons,

like the first Savage Dragon and the one after.

But I didn't have any of the rest, so I had to get this book.

And it's so amazing, this thing.

Well, it's 80s comics, for one thing, so you know I'm loving it.

And just seeing, like, all the seeds from the Vanguard stories

that went into Savage Dragon later on,

and, like, the characters.

You know, a lot of the same characters,

like Star and everything like that.

And just all the other stories, too.

And he put so much...

Gary S. Carlson.

He put so much love into this book.

There's so much extras and history.

And, like, just all the ads, all the original pages are in here.

Like, there's nothing cut out.

All the ads, letter pages, and everything.

And he says there's going to be a second volume,

which will have the unreleased stuff,

which I'm really hoping for.

But this came out in June last year,

so I don't know if there will be another one,

or if it's sold good.

I feel like this is a very niche, probably, book.

Yeah, but it also sounds like something

that's kind of archival in a way.

It is.

And it's a big history.

Like, this is almost like the birth of image in a way,

like some of this stuff, you know?

Yeah.

Stuff that should be out there.

Yeah, so I'm only halfway through right now,

but I'm loving getting to read the issues,

because there was so much money, if you like you want it,

the ones you can find.

So I'm very excited for that.

And he talks about these two finished Vanguard issues.

That's why I really wanted a second volume.

But I have some Vanguard miniseries,

and one of them was later on, and it was black and white,

and I think three issues.

So that might be the reprinted stuff with the finished issue.

So I might already have that, but I'm not sure.

I'm not sure 100%.

It's always nice when they collect stuff that's hard or expensive

or whatever, because you just want to read the thing,

and you don't want to pay the big prices.

Yeah, and this is one of those things where you think,

except for the Savage Dragon stuff,

you're never going to see this stuff again, you know?

So I'm very glad that he was able to print to that image,

because I thought, like, that's the kind of indie stuff

that's lost forever, you know?

But the fact that it has Savage Dragon,

and that, you know, that probably saved it, you know?

Like Eric Larson, I bet you pushed to get this out, you know?

Well, speaking historically and archivally,

I have a Fantagraphic Books book to discuss,

but it's an actual book.

Who are you?

It's the, came out last year, I believe, maybe the year before,

See You at San Diego by Matthew Clickstein,

which is an oral history of Comic-Con fandom

and the triumph of geek culture.

I thought this was going to be a lot more San Diego-specific,

and it has a lot of that, but it also has a lot of other stuff.

So it's basically these little capsule interviews,

and one thing I like is none of them are very long.

So if someone has, like, none go more than a page.

So if he has a long story, he'll have a little bit,

and then a little counter-comment from someone else,

and then the rest of the story.

to kind of break it up.

But it's about, a lot of it's about kind of the history

of the San Diego Comic-Con and how it started in 1970.

The one thing I will say kind of against it a little bit is

I've now requested two books from the library

and watched a bunch of stuff on YouTube about it

because a lot of these interviews are pulled from this other project

that was done.

Oh, okay.

So I just, after I read this, I was like,

why don't I just,

why don't I just watch these interviews?

Like, I like Mark Evanier.

I'll sit through an hour and a half YouTube of him.

You know, I like a lot of these guys,

but it was a lot of stuff I didn't know.

I didn't know that how many of the original organizers

were high school kids.

There were literally two adults, I think, maybe three.

The Sheldorf guy, and then one of the parent types

owned a bookstore, and then the rest were high school kids,

a few high school groups.

And then other interesting things,

like in the early 90s, I was reading books still,

so I read Greg Baer's science fiction books, a few of them.

I didn't know that he was one of the high school kids

that started San Diego Comic-Con.

So it was weird when I saw his name, I'm like,

Greg Baer, the science fiction author?

Yep, that's the same one.

So that kind of interesting discovery and fun.

So a lot of it is just fun stories about all the weird characters

when the con was smaller.

Like in the early years, they had Chuck Norris came one year

after Enter the Dragon came out, and Jack Kirby, obviously.

Like, I wonder if the show would have really been anything

if they hadn't had Kirby go into all those shows.

Because that's a pretty big get, you know?

I mean, it was also not just comics, they had a big sci-fi thing,

and it's funny stories about how the sci-fi guys

generally look down on the comic book guys.

Wow, way to go.

Wow.

Also, the Star Trek stuff was big.

And it talks about when Star Wars came,

and some of the marketing and the growth.

But the other thing I really wish is they just had

two pages that just had kind of the basic facts.

Like, the first show was like a one-day show in 1970

that paid for the three-day show later.

But just the date of the show, where it was,

because it moved locations.

It was in the El Cortez Hotel sometimes,

and then it moved to the...

Old Convention Center, I think,

and then obviously where it is now.

But none of that's...

Sometimes there'll be a clip where a guy's talking about that,

but they could have just had two pages of, like, a graph of, like,

okay, this was this day, this was that day.

I mean, I would like even more, like, estimate attendance,

the address, where, like, any kind of way to coordinate this information

in a way that lets you put it in a framework.

It's roughly chronological,

but even then they kind of jump around,

also the order is a little strange.

It's organized by section,

but you kind of understand one of the guys behind it,

Sheldorf, the oldest guy at the time, he was 35 or something,

kind of ended up on the outs a little bit,

whether he was forced out or left or...

It's kind of vague, because no one wants to talk about bad about a guy that died.

You know what I mean?

Like, no one...

Well, Scott Schaal, go on record and say his thoughts,

but...

So, it's a little vague on that,

and I just think if the author had put some little thing in the front

with sort of those rough, bare-bones facts,

at least for me it would help be like,

oh, it's seven...

Because one year they would take the proceeds home,

because no banks would be open until Monday.

They got robbed,

so they had to do, like, an emergency con later that year to pay for everything.

Like, that type of thing, having it in one place,

with, like, a little timeline,

with just a few of those things,

would have helped me,

but maybe I'm just dumb or whatever,

and build out the bones a little.

And also, a lot of the photos are not Comic-Con.

Maybe a third of them are from different eras,

but there are also a lot of stuff from Northern California.

Like, a ton of photos of Crum and stuff.

Even though I think he went to San Diego,

it's all this Bay Area.

And I'm like, yeah, that has to do with the fandom,

but it doesn't really have a lot to do with Comic-Con.

I would have preferred more, like,

Comic-Con has enough that you could do it.

But all the resources in the back,

oh my gosh, I've already listened to,

not just the interviews,

but they archive some of the early recordings.

For instance,

one year they released a limited edition vinyl.

So I heard, like,

the Chuck Norris talking at the show,

and Stan Lee.

And then the first year they recorded Jack Kirby,

giving a little talk.

So that stuff,

it's worth it alone for those things,

but I don't know how essential

the book is.

I mean, I guess if you want, like, a summary,

my advice would be maybe just go to YouTube

and watch these interviews and stuff.

Who's not entertained by Sergio and Mark and Scott?

Like, they're really,

I think they're funny guys to listen to.

It wasn't what you wanted,

but at the same time it led you to other stuff.

Oh yeah, it was totally worth it for that alone.

Like I said, I've reserved two other books about the show

and watching all this stuff on YouTube.

I'll probably watch some of it.

I'll probably watch stuff for the next week

with these different interviews and the archive material.

Because I guess about 10 years ago,

they were doing a lot of anniversaries

and recordings and keeping stuff.

And so,

while the 70s, it's a little bit rough,

certainly by the 80s and 90s,

plenty of that stuff is on places like YouTube

and archived on websites and everything

that they would have saved.

So it's nice to be able to,

I love that stuff.

I love, you know,

that Marvel convention,

a bunch of that's on YouTube.

I've watched that.

Any of these talks they gave.

Like I said, I heard the Stan Lee one from 75.

That was kind of fun to hear him.

I mean, it's a real short excerpt of him,

but it's also,

that's kind of, for me,

the last of the Stan.

He's still in full Huckstery mode,

but he's a lot more into the specific comics,

at least, roughly.

You know, I mean, obviously he's not,

in fact,

even jokes,

he doesn't know what his job is.

It's not like he's,

you know,

editing each line or whatever at that point,

but at least he's still connected.

Because by the time I was coming up in the 80s,

I mean,

you'd read the soapbox or whatever,

but Stan wasn't looking at any comic books.

I mean, maybe Ravage 2099.

There we go.

Yeah.

He wasn't, you know,

so to get the older material when these people were,

and certainly the Jack Kirby thing.

I mean,

I've heard,

I've heard that one radio interview.

There is not,

as far as I knew,

a ton of archival material of him.

So I love hearing him talk about things

and just explaining different stuff.

It's fun.

So lots of great,

this book is a great kind of beginning point,

but I'll give a brief mention of those other stuff

when I get them.

Because for me,

I like having kind of the facts and details.

And I guess I didn't want to do that

because I'm sure some people disagree

about it.

I don't want to talk about how much,

you know,

Oh,

Joe did this in 72.

No,

I really didn't.

You know,

that type of success has many fathers,

they say,

so that people I could see might be a little pushy

about who claimed what credit,

but all those original guys that get these,

they get to go to the show forever for free.

They get exempted in,

which I thought was a really cool perk.

And also the nonprofit aspect,

made it interesting because he comments on originally,

that was a way to get Robert Heinlein to come to the show early for that

first year because they couldn't afford to pay him.

But once he found it was nonprofit,

they did it because they also did blood drives early on.

Cause I guess that was a big cause of Robert Heinlein.

And just that whole,

as you guys probably know,

they grew out of science fiction conventions from like the forties and all

that stuff.

So there's roots in that.

Plus these guys are big film guys.

Hence all the Bruce Lee,

Frank Capra came to one of the early shows,

just a lot of crazy.

I think it would have been fun.

You know,

if I can go back in time to 1975 and go to this show in this crazy hotel with a

bunch of kids,

although I don't think I would have liked all the pranks and fireworks and all

that nonsense,

but it would have been fun hanging out.

You know,

you just had these brunches and dinners and stuff where you just go,

go sit at a table with Jack Kirby or whoever,

lots of golden age guys too,

of which I'm not as well versed by.

I liked that.

They've always been kind of finding people.

A lot of them were unknown because as you guys know,

they didn't always do credits back then.

So they would find these people and bring them and put them up and they could

get a chance to show that their work had a real impact on people because you

know,

they,

most of them were out of comics at some point.

They got,

they got blacklisted by DC or whatever.

And then,

you know,

30 years later they get to show,

well,

Marvel was a bit better about the credit situation.

I was thinking more about all those guys in the fifties that wrote all those,

you know,

Batman and Superman and green lantern and all that crap that DC,

you know,

if you ever complained or wanted a day off or some basic right or whatever,

then just let you go.

Stealing our Canadian heroes.

Exactly.

But yeah.

So now I'm in this rabbit hole of learning all about silly stuff about the

history of San Diego.

And obviously there's that transition from where it's like the one day show had a

couple of hundred people and then 300 people for the,

and then it grew and grew and grew to now.

There's no way you could,

as they've pointed out,

you need a staff.

You couldn't have a bunch of high school kids putting on a show that gets 150,000

people.

I mean,

really good things going on.

Not a lot of fun.

And the why is,

and the reason is to us is because the fact that we ended up coming to the

world is given to us.

I just did say that for the first time.

Yeah.

It's so me because I had the sense and I was like,

what the fuck,

what?

And I was like,

what the fuck?

He was like,

I don't know.

You know,

did you talk to anyone my age?

And so you know,

everybody probably thought about like,

well,

that's not an evil monster.

So like now you're from home,

not in this gonna be a monster HotTube.

atrocity people showing up.

You know,

someone would have died or whatever.

All right.

I got two more things.

Oh,

spy and ninja all the stuff sort of for that end of the gi joe world if you like

i wish i could jump in and all that you guys told me not to what no jump no because remember i'm not

i'm not a huge fan like you guys have those properties right i'm not like gi

but i'm not big on like transformers gi joe like neither was i neither am i i've consumed a lot of

it but i've never really gotten into the comics or anything the only thing i got really big in

into was uh beasties or beast wars if you like that was the only yeah

yeah and i was gonna say only one moment where i didn't know where the panels went

gotta have one on every book yes why is that a problem for them

it's a problem for me i don't know if it's

a problem for me

problem for them that might be there are those yeah you must have seen those big panels where

a character moves through the panel phil like a bunch of people up like and i think those are

the ones that kevin doesn't really like okay yeah i i don't i don't know what they like it doesn't

happen anywhere else really well okay maybe some other indie comics but i don't know there's just

that one moment and then i'm just like i'm not quite sure exactly what what's i mean i'm sure

if there there could just be a few more panels i mean i'm sure i would be fine but uh yeah

hey look we all get our things that we just get hung up on it's happened to me it happens

everybody something i mean that doesn't that that sort of flow through doesn't you it's flash

forwards you couldn't take flash forwards i feel like i couldn't

take it

them when it when i felt every comic i opened up had it well that was limited use but i feel

for a while because you saw it in every comic every comic exists always every comic was used

same with the other thing you guys know those old comics when they would do like the photoshop

effect for blurry yeah i felt there was an era where that was used i felt every other book i

picked up they would just blur it they'd take one image and then the next one the next panel would

be it with a blur on and i'm like oh please i mean i know work this was hard work but we can

draw things and the other one i have is diabolical from our favorites at strangers

fanzine oh i thought it was diabolique the italian one diabolical exclamation point

all right is it good bad diabolique did you like it

this one's a starring some i find it funny that they say starring instead of writer artist or at

the beginning it's like starring nova and noah bailey uh josh davidson uh kyle everett so i just

i just find that kind of funny but i don't think they actually star in the story but

they have two stories in here and while i enjoyed them i think they would have been better served

with more space like i didn't want to get on board that train of a double-sized first issue all the

time but in this situation i'm like i think they needed room to breathe because you have this one

that's sort of like a post-apocalyptic thing going on and some possible uh religious undertones

like just like a godzilla like or cthulhu or whoever you want to do monster like rampaging

or trying to survive in their uh tower here and like one guy is like stolen their food just when

they're getting things under control and everything and then there's like a guy with a cape and um

things go south so i was just like i was like getting into the story and then uh it's over

and we have the second story and the second story is like not i wouldn't say it's like a continuing

one seems like it's just part of a story and like future issues would like tell you like what was

going to happen and this last one in here it just seems like it's like a bit where it's just like

hey what if we did this thing where where there there was this guy going to see like this other

guy and then it's the weirdest thing because this guy like takes his head off puts it on the ground

and then like

and then someone gets like shot and then this guy's head rips off and then like there's like

demons or something and then this guy guy's head like eats the other guy's body

so as i'm saying it seems like it's only like a strange bit i mean interesting though i mean i

like the like the um i'm not quite sure like maybe it's like a colored pencil type of

book or something maybe that's what it reminds me of but it's a good bit yeah well i know bits can

go either way with you kevin i know so i'm feeling like if you had a whole issue of like unique cool

bits i would be like oh that was cool but in this it's like well you get part of a story

that could have used like more room to breathe and then you get a bit and i'm like

i don't know i kind of feel like if these were both their own thing i would have enjoyed them more

all right i think that makes the episode thanks for listening everybody kevin are we are we telling

people to keep it cool still uh yeah i guess we're we're telling them to cool it down

right cool it down all right cool it down everyone thanks

sweet days of summer the jasmine's alone july is dressed up and

chuck norris co-star with bruce lee in the film five fingers of death was at the convention

demonstrating his skills as a martial arts champion and to speak here is some of what he had

to say

so thank you very much thank you

well it's really a pleasure being here at the comic con today and i'm glad you enjoyed the movie

bruce who i've known for about 10 years now uh in fact first time i met bruce was in new york city

about nine years ago i was when i was fighting in fact i was fighting for the world title

and bruce was that's when bruce was doing the green hornet series and uh he came back there

as a celebrity as a celebrity guest and uh after i won the title the promoter introduced me to bruce

and so we started talking about our philosophies and the martial arts and so forth and

anyway we were both staying at the same hotel that

americana new york and we started walking over to the hotel as we got going up the elevator i

remember bruce was staying on the seventh floor and i was on the ninth as we got to his floor

we were really getting pretty involved at our into our conversation so instead of me going up i

stepped out in the hallway with him and it's like 11 11 30 at night and we started working out in

the hallway and next thing next time i looked at my watch it was seven o'clock the next morning

and uh it was amazing because the guy did he had so much knowledge and as you know on the screen

ability that it was so much knowledge that it was so much knowledge that it was so much

it seemed like an hour had gone by as far as us working out and exchanging ideas so he said well

when we get back to los angeles why don't we start working out together which we did when i got back

we started training together and then um the series was canceled and he went to hong kong to

pursue a movie career when he went to hong kong his first movie the biggest grossing movie in asia

before bruce went over there was the sound of music it had grossed 2.4 million dollars which

again was the biggest movie ever grossed in in the orient bruce did the first movie in asia and he

did the first movie in asia and he did the first movie in asia and he did the first movie in asia

called the big boss which over here was the fist of fury and that one grossed 3.2 million which is

800 000 more than the sound of music then he did the fist of fury which over here was called the

chinese connection and that one grossed 4.3 million dollars and then he called me up and he

said he'd like to do a movie with a real good fight scene in the movie i said well the only

way we can have a fight scene is if you know we fight if i get to hit you once in a while

because and he said well yeah naturally you know we'd make it a back and forth

type fight so anyway uh that fight scene that you saw took us five days to do and uh and in asia

alone the movie grossed over 11 million dollars it's the biggest grossing movie in the history

of asian and they don't think anything will surpass it for a long time then uh then bruce

naturally did uh enter the dragon which was his last movie and uh it's probably the biggest

grossing movie as far as uh martial art movies go but uh bruce is you know was 32 years old let me

explain something about his death too because there's i guess so many you know rumors that are

going about about how he uh passed away and so forth about touch of death and drugs and so forth

and so i'd like to clarify that before we go on with the demonstration is bruce in 1968 well you

know he's pretty heavy in the weightlifting as you could tell he was very well built and uh he was

lifting weights one night with uh kareem jabbar who was a student of his when he uh when he was

in los angeles and at ucla and he tried to lift too many too heavy weights and he ruptured the

hospital for three weeks in fact the doctor said that they didn't know if he'd be able to walk

again or not but of course with a person like bruce who's got the drive and determination to

achieve anything in life he was up in about a month and uh and within three months he was as

strong as he ever was but he had constant back pains from that day on and he was having to take

medication to keep the muscles in the back loose and relaxed so what happened is that when he was

in hong kong preparing for his next movie he was working with a girl named betty uh

and who's going to co-star with him and he got a severe headache so betty gave him some antibiotics

for the headache and with the medication he'd taken for his back and the medication he'd taken

for his headache they reacted to each other and made his brain swell up and created an aneurysm

or ruptured blood cells in his brain and that's actually what happened so if anyone asks you what

happened that you can tell them the true story