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radio zero thursday august 29th 501 p.m 2024

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Patronize us at patreon.com slash radio zero.

You look like you're getting ready to play the music.

Nope.

This is always very surprising when we get more patrons.

Thank you very much for doing that.

That makes me think I should probably,

like I've got some podcasts that I should be patronizing too.

Yeah.

Which ones do you subscribe to or do you patronize?

The 500 songs.

Where are we on that one?

What song are we on?

Well, yeah.

I think it's 172, but he's been doing them in parts now.

It's the secret to like, he's found like the Marvel secret

and like all of the, you know, to break it up into three,

like Dune, you got to have Dune part one and Dune part two

and stuff like that.

Well, you'd say it was already that

because he was breaking it up into 500.

500 separate songs, you know,

and it was going to be what, 50 episodes over 10 years.

And it's, I think it's been five years and he's at 172.

So it's not working, but that, that timeline, but yeah,

now he's breaking it into, yeah.

So I think, ooh, what's, what is it right now?

Is, oh, is it still Rolling, The Rolling Stones?

Which song?

He's only going to pick one song from The Rolling Stones?

Well, he's done other, other ones.

And he, he like pulls it apart.

Like he starts like, does he even start with the, with the song

or does he start like, like, does he do a Rachel Maddow start

where it's like back in 1942,

there was a Cheeto factory that burned down.

Well, as things have moved into the late sixties,

mid to late sixties, yeah.

And now more album oriented and it's less about a specific song.

Right.

And he always goes off, but like, for instance,

the Velvet Underground episode,

the, I'm assuming,

it's the first one that was from like a year or two ago.

It had a good hour talking about like John Cage and, you know.

He wasn't even on the record.

Yeah.

No, no, it was, it was, it was.

Back in 19, yeah.

Yeah.

They worked, he worked through a whole bunch of stuff

before he even started talking about Lou Reed.

And so, yeah, it's, it's different now.

And so I can't even remember.

I listened, listened to the most recent episode.

It was the second half of something,

but I've,

I've already forgotten.

That's, but you, you're, it's engaging to listen to.

Do you listen to every word?

Do you have to rewind it every like 10 minutes?

Like I have to rewind the ones that I listen to every 10 minutes?

No, if I'm not paying attention.

So there's, in fact, I'm not a patron of this.

There's the, it's somebody, Stanford guy talk,

he talks about communication or something.

And that, that one, I mean, I was listening to an episode today

and it was actually somebody talking about something

and I don't even remember what it was.

It was something that I thought, oh, this is, this is, you know, interesting.

Oh, it's using AI.

Like I think AI in communication, right?

How that impacts and total,

like it just goes in one ear and out the other.

I'm just like, you know,

if I'm gardening or, you know, brushing my teeth or whatever,

it's, it's just, I'm, I, I just, I, the words just happen.

And I don't think I've actually gotten,

I need to stop.

Have you obtained anything?

Yeah, I think I just need to unsubscribe to it

because it's kind of like, oh, this is just, yeah,

it's kind of like ear, ear candy or it's not even ear candy.

It's just something that's, yeah, buzzing in the background

and my brain just goes off.

Whereas, yeah.

And so the other, other one, I, I, I'm, I'm a jerk.

The only two I, I patronize, The Sound Opinions.

I, I pay for, I'm a patron for Sound Opinions.

Yeah.

Although my, my pair, my pay subscription is not working on Spotify.

And then today I also tried to find, yet once again,

find a different podcast app to listen to my podcast

because Google Podcasts went away and I was using that.

I'm on Android.

And maybe there's an Apple shitty ass podcast app

for you to listen to on your Android.

It's so terrible.

I hate it.

So, so we moved back to Apple Music from Spotify and for the,

our family account and, but Apple Music now is separate, right?

So the Apple Music player doesn't play podcasts.

And so I, but yeah, I tried, oh, I can't, Podcast Addict or something.

And I've tried these before.

These Android podcast apps are just, they're just ugly and awful.

And I was listening to, it was a, actually a podcast,

but the re, re,

a podcast of part of on the media talking about how Apple just changed its podcast setup.

So the, the automatic downloading, right?

Yeah.

So, and also it talks a lot about how Apple's responsible for, you know,

the success of podcasting.

Yeah.

Which I found weird, but when they talked about it, it was, you know, it's like, yeah,

they didn't invent podcasting.

We invented podcasting.

We didn't, but the, the idea of the RSS feed and then calling it podcasting, right?

It was a reference to Apple.

But then when they did integrate it into iTunes, you know, that was a pretty big thing, right?

Because before that it was a lot more involved, you know, to subscribe to podcast, but, but

making the, this person was making the point though, that there isn't, yeah, native Android

podcast app.

And so there are all these others that are just awful.

So anyways, I'm, I'm, I'm still using Spotify for my podcast, but now I've got,

we don't pay for Spotify.

So I have, I have a free, so, and that's the thing is they're not money.

So they don't, I don't think Spotify gets the advertising off of the podcast itself that's

embedded, but then the, uh, their ads pop up every time I open up Spotify.

What kind of ads do you get?

Um, boy, I don't know.

Oh, that's, that's how, like, yeah.

Um, Joshua Vaughn says, funny, we still call it podcasting, even though no one downloads

them to an iPod anymore.

Yeah.

So apparently what happened, those Apple changed it.

So I think that automatic download or whatever.

And so that's impacted a huge, like since in the past year or so, and that's impacted

a huge amount of, uh, podcasts, like larger podcasting companies or whatever that, uh,

advertising.

So before you'd have that auto download, right?

And so that would count as downloads, right?

Whereas now, since that's disabled, you can turn it on, right?

But they, they did a switch in the software and it caused a huge economic hit for a lot

of advertising dollars for podcasts.

Not us.

And now, and now all country music podcasts are like number one.

Like there's so many more country music.

What was that?

Sound scan?

Yeah.

It's when they, when they automatic, automatic, when they, when, when they itemized, when

they interpolized sound scan.

Where, you know, when, when they itemized sound scan.

they attached it to what was actually being bought instead of just going off of what you know your

local um record store person wrote down on sound scan all of a sudden they found you know this this

should be a lesson to all of us right all of a sudden country music like we everybody found out

country music was being bought a lot more than was written down right by the by record store clerks

because record store clerks um were not listening to as much country or we're just we're not

recording we're not writing it was all it was all based on the record store clerks would call in

the uh the sales yeah and so they'd they'd fudge it yeah you know they'd say oh no yeah we're still

selling 10 copies of led zeppelin four and it turns out that you know we're they're selling

huge amounts of country music so once once they connected it straight to to what was being bought

um then country music um became much higher on the charts and it could be

you know maybe maybe then we realize that there's i'm not equating country music fans with

trumpers but you know and i'm realizing i should try and not to not to shill for another corporation

but i'm gonna try i know amazon music has podcasting integrated into it the free tier song

maybe i'll check that too and see if they're oh it's so frustrating i just can't tell what what's

you know there that i need to listen to

like i can't like the user interface is so bad for me that i can't like they just pop up

i don't yeah i don't know which user interface the one on the uh it just says podcasting or

something on iphone yeah podcast yeah yeah it's terrible so speaking well but it's built in its

native right so that's the thing is that like that's the problem is is like there's nothing

yeah i don't want to use right yeah oh that's that's bad there's no there are other apps right

they're all kind of half-assed

it seems like so i'm yeah i went into a hole like a rabbit hole not and the rabbit holes that i go

into are very shallow um i let everybody else talk to me like everybody else digs around the rabbit

hole for me um but like on on the uh you're like the rabbit hole digging manager you're like a

rabbit sitting sitting on the edge of the hole watching everybody work can you tell them yeah

why don't you dig that hole for me there thank you uh but you had already dug the hole so it's good

but i'm i'm like i have this i have this

notepad of paper that i'm i i can start doing my to-do list on it you know i'm i'm really i'm back

to paper you know how you go back to paper again you're like oh my god none of this i don't want to

look at my to-do my electronic to-do list i'm just going to start writing stuff on paper because i'm

not getting anything done and so you always end up going back to paper and then i and paper works

really well for me and then i cross off everything on my to-do list and then i either have you know

throw it in the recycling you know i'm like oh my god i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm

yeah i done i finished all this and then i like go and i throw it in the recycling and i feel like

an asshole because i killed a tree just to feel good um and then there's all the rest of the

notebooks that we were it's like oh what do i do with this you know so i've been transferring my

notes into capacities but um and then you told me that everybody like kids around you have the

remarkable and i was like fuck one yeah yeah so that was the thing is i went to the senate and

and so i had i think we talked about on the podcast i went through the the tablet or the

yeah note the paper tablet whatever thing in the fall last last fall right so how long did you and

then you you returned it how long did you keep it i think probably seven days where it was like okay

i'm not using this i don't like it it was also smaller but like not a full notepad yeah and i

just went back to my laptop for all things but um what's yeah and so the paper thing so how about

what is it habanichi techo techo i think it's actually pronounced techo i used to call it techo

japanese you know physical notebook that everybody loves right and it's like oh it's it's it's it's

techo season like you have to um like they're they're gonna release the new uh books for uh

20 well i guess it's not 2025 right it's it's the fall japanese fall season or whatever and

and it's like so everybody's you know waiting you know wait do you have those i don't but it's like

and so i'm seeing the hype the hype is building up because everybody's gonna have to go through

go to like jetpens.com and and wait for the the order button to convert the new harry potter book

is coming out from yeah from coming soon to order now before they you know and get in there before

they sell out like the giant pop-tart right it's the same thing as you got it there was a second

release of the giant pop-tart i did see yeah all right and you wouldn't let me talk about the giant

pop-tart that's right and so why don't you talk about the giant well let's we'll stay in notebooks

finish with my my rabbit hole that you're digging because we're gonna if we if we go to yet another

agent 15 minutes and we're gonna run out we're gonna be done in 20 minutes um so yeah the notebook

so yeah the paper notebook but i've i've had i had a paper notebook or a planner again i tried it

again last last year not this year paper yeah oh yeah yeah and then you gave it you gave it to me

and i i couldn't even last the damn it what like what do you what i i have all kinds of questions

for you first was you know you were in the senate how was senate how it was first day of senate fine

yeah and so how did it work how did it come up that you're the chairperson of the uh of the rules

committee now it's it's you know the classic uh who wants to do this and then everybody steps back

and then there's a one person standing still in front so you wanted to do it uh what does it

involve i was cajoled yeah yeah so what does it involve i think that's so cool i'm so proud of you

i'm really proud of you telling yeah well i'm organizing and scheduling

and planning okay yeah that's what you do with your planning notebooks yeah so but i do that

in capacities right so i i'm and that's the thing is i want to i i want to you know i want to have

the the japanese planner and writing it every day and and do that but the thing is is like even today

i was you know sitting eating my breakfast and it's like the only thing i have

is is my phone right and and it's like oh i gotta write down stuff i gotta plan it

and stuff i gotta do this you know and it's like oh i'm gonna go go digging for my my notebook

my paper notebook that i possibly left somewhere and and then all right oh i'm gonna have to go

all the way downstairs to find it or i'm gonna have to go all the way upstairs or no it's in

my briefcase and it's in the basement and it's like i'm gonna have to go down there to get it

and it's like oh but my phone's right here and i'm just gonna write stuff in and so it's it's

the desire to have and buy a notebook and that just love of

office supplies right right so i have yeah i have all these different pens that i buy and i love

these pens but it's like the reality is is that i i'm not paper-based and i have my little tiny

notebook in my pocket that if i have to take notes you know i've seen you yeah when when when

do you you pull out like a little paper like every so often you pull something out you pull

out the paper notebook yeah and that's like in a situation where it's like i can't sit there and

write stuff on my phone or my laptop just because people will think that

yeah yeah okay so that's where the the yeah so like the remarkable and the onyx

or the books and the what's the other scribe note or the kindle white you know paper white those

those paper like um yeah digital notebooks they uh that's the advantage is you can sit there and

and write in them and it's not it doesn't look like you're sitting you know on your phone yeah

on yeah that's on my space you know on your laptop about that too um all right so

so can you like so what happened in the senate that everybody just did you were you actually i

don't think yeah it's not not interesting it's interesting to me you want i want to talk more

about the notebook stuff and your notebook adventure so so you're using paper notebook

or paper like a a legal pad right it's right here yeah there you go like i love it it's not even a

legal pad i just write i write all over it so that's probably good you know you probably should

just do that and then i've got like a highlighter i'll go through it and i'll go through it and i'll

actually i used to never go through my notes again but now i have to because i'm important

and so oh sorry i'm important um and so i have i've go back through my notes and then i copy

them into capacities and then lose them forever yeah i kind of find them but um i have a highlighter

for things and then i i actually talk to people about what who i i talk to somebody else about

something that i talk to somebody else about which is what is which is my job now i think

it's like processing yeah so you've got a system and and you process your notes and so that's the

thing is i think maybe there's extra time there but i think what you're doing is actually the

good thing so if you have the digital notepad right and you're writing in and then that can do

the like if it's a good one it'll do ocr and then you can digitize and and then you know instead of

using this paper thing no yeah but then you don't have that next step where you go through and

review your notes pull out the notes and then you can do it and then you can do it and then you can

that information and then uh sort of yeah process it yeah that's that that's that that has been

really useful for me so i think i think you i don't think you should do the other thing i think

you really should stay with the notepad well i'm gonna try i still i've actually so all the dumb

problems of of like an ipad right well we got 150 ipads sitting around um and so i'm the you know i

decided i'm going to try an ipad again you know because because everybody else is using the

the remarkable and that's just dumb i should be able to use an ipad there's a remarkable app

apparently that you can you that you can use so i did i do i did a little rabbit hole so i know

that if i take that ipad out i know that that the battery's dead i haven't touched it in in you know

i haven't touched it in months and i know the battery's dead and that happened when you were

and i was like i was like maybe you should just use the ipad and then i i went and grabbed my ipad

and then went to look at what the note-taking app i was playing with yeah um the one that did

the ocr right yeah and and then um and and i tried to turn on my ipad and it yeah it was

without a juice they they die like they even if you don't use it if you don't use it it still

dies it's off and it's dead whoo what kind of battery that's probably a battery that's going

to kill all of us right because it's going to leak out it's just leaking it's not even on

it's not even being used and it's just leaking i understand that means the ipad's on in some way

even when it's off but but but still so so then i was like fuck you know okay all right i'm gonna

have to wait till you know i can't buy the gun today i have to wait till tomorrow um so and then

i went to i went to school and then i plugged there's another ipad there so i plugged that in

i'm like okay i'm gonna maybe i'll go to the local tech store and you know i i hear that i can so i

said you know i need to feel the writing of the pencil on the paper that's i i need to have that

that's how i process stuff and i was like that totally makes sense because this person's a

dancer too like they they live through their you know tactile through their body right so it's like

that's awesome and i was like yeah me too i'm i really enjoy the feeling of the paper and other

people do too so then i was like okay well that's not going to happen with me to me on an ipad so i

person told me that there's ipad protectors that you can get so it feels like you're writing on

paper and you probably told me that yesterday so i looked into that and those are like 45 for like

a pressure sensitive like like i'm like fuck i'm not gonna get that and then like and then i saw

somebody using like i saw a video of somebody using one and i saw like the delay that would

be like when we worked in flight simulators and the pilots were like getting sick because there

was this weird minuscule delay

that we didn't notice between the the controls and the and the motion base and the you know the

uh sensors and i'm sorry not and yeah i was having a recording delay i have a a box that

um processes the audio you know to oh my god oh and i thought because it's a outside an external

box that there wouldn't be any delay because when you do that kind of with software there's a delay

yeah

and and so i was using that and i was messing up all of my recording like everything's off

rhythmically i'm like boy this just sounds really off and i can't get everything right and i'm like

trying to fix it um on the software side because i thought the delay was in the you know on the

software side and then i realized oh no this it's it's the box between the box is running software

and so there's a little delay in there it's not purely analog right obviously and and so yeah

yeah those delays are awful um the thing is is that the

the apple pen that i was lending you that that i got nibs for that that are a little more

uh resistant right so that's not going to scratch the ipad no it's the opposite in fact because the

ones that come with uh apple pen or whatever it's called are are harder and then i got the

softer ones that make them feel more like well i haven't a pencil so i you know and then the last

thing i did today at work was like i've i've had to go searching around for an old old cable so i

could so i could plug it in and i was like oh my god i'm a Automotive Man and i'm just gonna plug this in

the ipad at work in because that i just took out of storage like okay all right i'm going to plug

this one in here i'm going to use it today and so then the last thing i did was like like turn on

the ipad i had the little plug in backwards so i had to turn it around you know halfway through

the day because it was wrong and then i went i went and i turned it on and like the word welcome

like started scrolling across the screen and i'm like fuck because you know that it's not set up

you're gonna have to set it up you're gonna have to log in with the apple id and everything and i

remember that the one here is already logged in for me so then i was like oh no you know so i put

it down i have i think i've charged the pencil that you gave me so i might so what is the first

thing that you do when you test one of these things out um well for me it was trying to yeah

take notes and then seeing so i think apple notes does this right now also right you can write yeah

you can write in the uh with your handwriting and then it converts it ocrs that's right it does

yeah see although this is probably an older ipad probably doesn't have probably doesn't have that

probably can't upgrade to that apple maybe they can well yeah i don't know mine was well it wasn't

that old but yeah god all right so well that's that's user interface but i think what you're

doing is better the paper and then yeah we'll tell that to the tree outside our house well

okay so let's be honest though if you bought something like a remarkable

you're you're you're basically bringing um a bunch of toxic metals and battery batteries into

into existence i mean it's it's i think i think it's even more damaging maybe not i i think a

i think a hundred and again where am i going to store all these notebooks a hundred notebooks

over the course of your life is going to be less environmental damage than just one

one computer where am i going to store all the paper

i don't know you just put them in a box banker's box yeah banker's box okay well that's that was my

i'm trying to think if there was anything else too that like it was user interface day

but i can't think of anything else what what was what's so the david foster wallace um howling

fan tods is that what it's called yeah yeah where is that from what is that from

no it's not david foster wallace well that was the thing is it's

it is in it's david foster wallace in fanta howling fan tods is something his mother would say i believe

who's an english professor right and then i said to our neighbor she said fan tods and then i said

oh is that a david foster wallace thing and then that did she hit you yeah no she went off a little

bit yeah no bet yeah she's from english here too david foster wallace fan and and was like you know

i think it's shakespeare i think it's where fan tods came from it was just yeah

oh somebody so i think i i just like look i was gonna look it up um uh because uh yeah i was gonna

so i typed it into the internet and it came up on like reddit r slash thomas pinchon or r slash

gravity's rainbow or something and i was like what it's a thomas pinchon reference but then

you know oh yeah maybe it is no it's not i think it's david foster wallace um so the howling part

i think is the addition it's the fan tods though is just having the fan oh yeah it's an old word

is it is it is it being like uh is it paranoia a state of irritability intention

oh that's not what i have i'm just paranoid oh okay you didn't say paranoid yeah no i said

howling i because i thought it was the heebie jeebies but i couldn't remember because you had

said it once oh um well you say spilkies but what's oh yeah spilkies is different spilkies

is when you're like you are like that is kind of like what you just talked about like like you're

like oh come on come on let's go let's get get it get it going already come on i got spilkies you

know i gotta i gotta go do something um i'm trying to think of the word it's not gonna happen

this is when you have this like well i i described it to you and you were like oh it's this

so you know you have just this utter dread about something that's probably gonna you just don't

know if it's gonna happen or not to you and you you have no control over it feeling hinky that's

more uncomfortable

that's when like somebody disrobes in front of you that you don't know or right hinky feeling

hinky yeah i don't know um and then there's kajugled which our friend katery i don't know

if that's that if that's just her word i always love that word that's like when you when you're

like excited about something you're kajugled yeah miriam webster says hinky is nervous jittery

or suspicious oh okay well i can't describe you know i just yeah i just have this

over like uh foreboding sense of dread that somebody's gonna come and yell at me for

something that i can't fix that's what it is i'm sorry i'm just gonna just gonna put it right out

there this is like something something that has two two possible outcomes and i have to choose one

and somebody's not gonna like the choice that i make so that's what i have and i just and uh i

talked to a good friend today about that and you know what they said like a mentor type person

you know what they said get used to it that's that's that's kind of what they said they said

it never goes away that's what they said and they whispered it to me it was a beautiful moment but

you know i was like oh okay that's good thanks um so yeah so that's that's so i'm you know

yeah that's that's just my life now it's just i i naturally want to make everybody happy that's

what i want to do like that's that's that's how i function right kind of except for you maybe

i don't want to make you happy all that like naturally i want everybody to be happy but

there are some cases where everybody can't be happy and so you know or you you trying to make

somebody else happy will be in conflict with other people yeah yeah yeah exactly like you

might try to you know uh i don't know make make somebody happy and then in the process

uh i don't know somebody else will get mad that yes it'll it'll it'll yeah so that's

you know even i'm trying to think of like can i like that's not yeah so that should tell you that

that's not a uh i don't i don't think that's a successful method of deciding how to uh focus your

yeah yeah no i was what i was told was to go with you know to do the best you know to always do the

best thing and do the thing that will make allow you to sleep at night you know which i was like

oh okay yeah i'll do that you know i i can do that i'll continue that but like i also you know

uh we had

we had some you know there was there was an instance yes you know or i don't remember what

day it was but it's like like a decision was coming down and i could have said yes let's make

this decision but um and and not ask anybody else about their opinions but that that decision would

be something that really benefited the hell out of like it was a decision that would benefit me

really well like it would like our our you know like our team would benefit our team

and i was like maybe the other team doesn't know about this or maybe the other maybe maybe it

could be detrimental to a different team i was like thinking so immediately i realized immediately

my mind goes when something when something's somebody's going to give me a present i like

immediately think to myself well is this present being taken away from anybody else or is this like

a fair like this is like is my getting this present going to hurt anybody else that's what

my mind immediately goes to you

got a present i did i got a

so we all got a present you know i mean but like like it's like you you you must do that too so

you know you're going to be the chairman of the rules committee now right the chair of the rules

committee you know oh you're just you're just planning stuff so what is that well you know

like when you're discussing policy and stuff and you have to make decisions and and you know and

so somebody it's gonna take away from someone else well that's the thing is you've got to be

you know you well when so you know when something comes across my desk i've like and it's like oh

it's great you know it's like a like a big bar of candy or something like that i always think to

myself oh like what this seems like this seems too good to be true what's who's going to be hurt by

this that's all how how many calories does this have yeah well i mean that seems extreme but

yeah you're i guess cost benefit analysis balancing

but it's not yeah that's what i'm doing but i'm i do that naturally i think i'm you know want to i

want to make sure it's you know how is this going to affect everybody else that's all i'm thinking

about sideways i'm not even just thinking about you know me i'm thinking sideways about the whole

like when i think about our university i don't just think about us like our little part i think

about the whole system go on what were you going to say i was going to say like listening to this

interview with this guy in montana a librarian who built a

to kind of analyze and decide on um local policy he and he was running in the primary for the mayor

always i think maybe it's missoula um he basically said he was going to be a meat avatar is what he

said is like if he got elected mayor he would then um sort of run all decisions through um this chat

bot he he built so not not chat gpt he he open sourced you know did an open source thing and

basically like so going to city council meetings and then in in the mayor you know you're supposed

to read 400 pages of you know documents he's gonna upload it and statutes and all this kind

of stuff and he and he he's built this chat bot to process you know and to do all that and then

and come to a decision on whether or not to vote yes or no to you know pass this policy or something

like that and so he was saying that that yeah and he he was saying well he he wasn't running to win

running to kind of show that this is sort of a possibility and probability and also probably

better because if you think of city council people they're supposed to be reading go through 400

pages of material before the council meeting right and and he was like and you know they don't they

skim it and everything like that whereas yeah you've got this ai you know it processes all of

that information and then you know can be used to

make a decision and so yeah so it was it was really interesting because he was in a weird way

optimistic not apocalyptic he was just saying this is yeah this is probably going to be a better way

to make decisions because so this makes me think that you know and i kind of agree with it too but

um at some point we're you know how you know like in the past over the past decade oh everybody

needs to learn how to code because everybody uses computers

and you should know what's going on this side everybody is going to have to learn how large

language models work everybody's going to have there's got to be some just just you know because

i've i've there's so much hysteria like what you're using an ai oh my god it's going to steal

my artwork and you know like the oh you're using the ai how dare you why you don't don't you think

for yourself and stuff like that people just don't even know how these things process and i'd oh i

took a i took an ai class back in the day and i was like oh my god i'm not going to be able to do this

back in 1986 like i took the ai class at u of i and i and i programmed in lisp i programmed in

scheme which is a form of lisp and i know how large language models work and then i read you

know i hung out with rick powers and then i watched that talk he had you know where they

were like discussing which is going to be before ai man i wonder where he is i wonder i wonder

man i'd like to have a conversation with him i know where he is he's in the smokies but

i'd i'd love i'd love to know what he's thinking but you know it's like a conversation on are we

going to brute force like sort of pixel like um are we gonna is are the large language models or

is ai going to just kind of brute forcefully figure out answers or is it going to kind of

algorithmically go like like it's like the difference between pixels on a landscape and

like um what are they called like lines like vectors okay go on and so oh

it was a wyoming uh mayoral race by the way but um you're talking about lisp god i wish i could

remember i just heard an interview with someone and they were talking about programming something

in lisp and it was not any kind of ai or anything like that it was like some who was it oh my gosh i

almost have it it was it was something it was some system that's used you know sort of oh that

was pro was it uh we were we were hanging out with your uncle nope no no no no no no no okay no no no

no it's not that at all it's it's it was some kind of like phone system or some kind of like

oh gosh i can't remember who do we know who's a programmer no it was not a person we know it was

an interview with a programmer who had had built something and they talked about how they were a

lisp they loved lisp and they built this thing and i was like why why did they use that to build

this thing and it was it was so weird but yeah it doesn't matter i can't remember there's parts of um

i don't know python but there's parts of javascript that i don't know um these like

weird pair things that you know for language processing and for like i don't know parsing

that i don't know that i wish i knew you looking it up i'm trying to find like so again like so

what types of systems can sorry i interrupted you no no go on no no what times what types is i was

going to put in chat gpt what types of systems could be programmed in lisp that's it's

it it was a very specific thing but i'm not going to be able to find it well this is real

interesting to everybody right right i'm looking it up this too all right all right let's move on

um okay wait did i see something cisco jeffrey davis says cisco was using

shes scheme to do stuff for routers so yes scheme is what we were using for routers

crazy stuff yeah well anyway i stand by this that people need to learn how these

there needs to be some teaching about how this works probably it was the guy it was the guy who

i feel like it was the guy who made the the apple the three-tone um or whatever it is apple thing it

was one of the one of the apple sound like a guy who designed some of the apple interface sounds i

was doing it doing in lisp something about lisp i want to program it was crazy now i could just go

go to chat gpt and tell it tell it that i want to program in lisp and then have it i could teach

that in my class oh i'm going to do that you make everybody program something in lisp i have like

anyway all right all right enough about this enough of this j5 in the dish says right

it's right everybody should learn how large language mod models work um okay

politics are we in politics yet what what else was there going to be

what uh there was something oh i got my i i got my boobs got released from the radiologist

and i i cried i i rang the bell three times again and and i said goodbye and i i hugged them and i

said take care of my friends because you know everybody if they're going to be other people

following me getting breast cancer what was the last that whole chunk like

is there a word that describes what we were just talking about like when we were talking about

lisp and everything like that we went from note-taking i'm just because i have to write

i have to write my notes and i didn't write it now i completely cannot remember

what we were talking about i can't either um why were we talking about lisp yeah why was i talking

about this oh artificial intelligence i guess yeah just write that yeah lisp is great for doing code

code code again code again

um gen yeah boy it was weird i'm trying i'll

have to go back and listen to i think that was the 20 000 hertz podcast that talks about

sound and sound design um it was it had a couple episodes about apple like um sound

so i was listening to a different podcast about politics because i've

listened to all of my politics code generation thanks jeffrey davis um uh yeah that would make

sense wow oh god yeah see that's all kinds of stuff that i don't know that i miss

i i walk past my office when i go to the bathroom the cyber security classes are like right across

the bathroom and i so i come out and i like just stand there like with my face pressed against the

window like oh the the other day the guy was showing like like an eight bit like you know

had like a word like two words and he's showing it said next to it it said and and so he was

showing how to and two words together and i was like i was just like i look like a little puppy

dog like looking in there and the guy like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so

sorry like looked at me like because i was in the back of the class like looking through the

window he like looked at me and i just like i gave him a thumbs up good job keep going might

have been you know might have been that that's the class that everybody fails but i don't think

it was people looked happy so um i mean all right so anyway i was listening to a different podcast

um and and the people were talking about how they don't like it when our side lies about things that

you know like they'll just like have a story out that says trump and then colon because that's

that's what's happening lately right there we're like we're not going high anymore we're going low

you know and this podcast um person was was like lamenting about that and i was like fuck you you

know i didn't want to hear them say it but it's it's something i've said too like i'm but you

know i saw some like you know how they're the the walls joke posts about how he'll he'll you know

change your your tire and stuff like that and there was one that was all about him at a donut

shop and then you know somebody had posted it and then it's just like people responding lies

this is a made-up story this this is you know and it's like no it's it's a joke it's it's you know

uh not not misinformation it's that's a joke it's a meme yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's kind of like

change your tire yeah he's lying yeah

and so i think there is a problem there but there's also the other side of it which is like

i'm just joking when i yeah when i shove somebody over in the arlington cemetery it was just a joke

not that trump did that but one of his minions that's what they're talking about today so that's

what like another thing like sometimes they talk about stuff that he did and i'm like what you know

why are you even talking about that you know and now i think that has to keep going though because

this is what they were saying on the podcast i was listening to too it was just like some

he that's what he does he just throws a bunch of shit at the wall and said something sticks at some

point you know yeah like 50 000 60 000 to 50 million 60 million who knows maybe even people

are saying 80 million people are coming over the border to to kill you and rape your women

yeah yeah yeah and so i don't i don't think yeah i don't and where i don't think anyone in the

is yeah is is operating on that level he's got he's operating on an exponentially larger level

of misinformation or yeah yeah yeah as opposed to maybe skewing the truth and then yeah oh and

then you say oh people online or but yeah i i mean i'm i don't i don't think to me it's not like i

don't like it when our side you know misrepresents stuff or you know spreads lies and it's like i

just i don't like it on any side you know it's it's like that to me is not constructive right

so i know but you can't once once you say once you go off the path then you have no foot to stand

on like it's it's and i don't mean to that's that's like a i'm sure there's a actual idiom

or whatever it's called the axiom that idiom there i'm sure there's a there's a there's a

there's a rule there like a but like the minute that you lie about something like you can't you

can't be trusted anymore i think yeah but again

so what well first off what you call lying and then maybe so even like like what like oh i'm sorry

no no no shit i keep i keep interrupting you but like walls like said like i think i talked about

this last week too you know the thing about um the you know these these are the types of guns

that i carried into war and it's just like oh wait you didn't go to you didn't carry guns you

were 25 years or 24 years in the um what what was he in the national guard

for 24 years but just saying like saying the thing about you know i carried this weapon into war

like why would you say that

it's just i don't know i mean and yeah you could say it was a lie but it could also be just like

that's what you say you know that's what you carry into war the yeah the succinct phrase you

say you know as a soldier i know yeah yeah um and it's like

having yeah but i don't know i mean yeah so but i guess the scale of the line and then

are are is is the harris walls campaign actively spreading misinformation right is this you know

and and are the candidates actively spreading misinformation yeah they're and people will say

yes they are i don't know but but i don't i don't i don't i i think

there's an exponential difference and you can't just say oh there's there's some gray areas here

and you know human language and communication is full of gray areas right and so and and and

and compare it and say oh just because you slipped or you said this that you're operating on this

level or you're the same as this person who is yeah you're pathologically yeah spreading you

know falsehoods yeah you're you're right it is it is exponentially yeah yeah that's that's that's

actually makes me feel better because i i really do like every time like i see something that's

off i'm like well now you know now now we don't have a leg to stand on but you know but we do

because it's it's such garbage so the the and and why are they continuing to talk about this

arlington thing um but i think if they do continue they're gonna lose some people some people are

gonna like i remember like i'm not into war and i'm not into history and i remember standing in

arlington national cemetery i remember getting briefed like i've never been briefed before

before we went into arlington cemetery i remember that as a child as a seventh grader or whatever

yeah you know that's that's that is a place where there's no politics and stuff i mean i remember

that yeah and yeah well i think the reason why it's still coming up is because the the military

right had a had a you know put out a report on what what happened or the incident that

that then the the person decided not to press charges or continue with it because they were

afraid you know they didn't want to create an incident and so the military the army right

just issued a little sort of report about what happened the incident and then it's closed and

so that's why it came up again i think is because they publicized that but yeah no and and and and

that's the thing is so i i talk about this a lot is like when i was a very young child

i was watching the pet parade lagrange's famous parade i love this story okay and and i had a hat

on and um somebody marched by with a flag and an old man slapped physically slapped um my hat off

my head and said you know something about respect or something like that and it's like i didn't know

i was i hadn't i wasn't in cub scouts yet right and everything like that and that kind of reaction

and that idea of

respect right and him physically you know hitting me hitting you yeah and and it's not like oh you

know you're supposed to take off your hat you know in respect to the flag when it goes by and

everything like that and then um and and so yeah that's not the story of how you were gonna tell

oh yeah my thought is that that guy you know that's also the guy who would be you know total

trump head you know nowadays right yeah and it's like okay so these ideas of respect and

yeah it's it's

It's kind of like, oh, it's conditional, you know, and it's like if you want to talk about, you know, our nation and patriotism and all that kind of stuff.

And then it's like, and yet you're acting like a buffoon and disrespecting this national cemetery that has lots of rules around it.

And you're not supposed to use any kind of photography for political purposes, right?

It's like, okay, yeah, you can take a picture here if the family says it's okay, but you can't then just do a campaign, you know, promo shot of you giving the thumbs up next to this gravestone.

And then next to this gravestone of somebody else who hasn't given you permission, you know, to do that and to have a photo taken.

And it's like, yeah, that's disrespectful.

And that seems to be...

I'm coming across my news feed more than the, it's possible that Kamala Harris isn't a United States citizen because of Dred Scott, what?

And that, yeah, and so it's some, yeah.

The Republicans are making a statement that since she's black, she might not be an American citizen.

Yeah, and I haven't dug deep into what that is because it just, yeah.

That's not getting across the...

Yeah.

The Arlington National Cemetery incident is taking up more space.

Yeah.

But the other thing is that we're, like, there's maybe going to be a debate.

I haven't even been following that either.

So far.

So it's still going to be a debate.

How is that going to work?

Can we do that debate?

Can we, like, preform that?

Like, you be Trump.

No, I'll be Trump because I'm a little Trumpier than you are.

Whoa!

Yeah.

How is that going to work?

And I heard, last I heard that the Harris campaign doesn't want the microphones shut off.

Yeah, because that was the thing is, I guess, so part of that with the debate with Biden, right?

We watched it, right?

And it was weird because you'd have Trump muted and then Biden's kind of like, you know, and it's like, but and then realizing, oh, there's a megaphone going off behind him.

Yeah.

It doesn't mean that...

Yeah.

Because Trump's muted doesn't mean that he's not off over your shoulder going, bah, bah, bah, bah, still yelling and saying...

Trump's going like, here's...

Yeah.

And then the bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

And then now it's Biden's turn.

So it gets turned off and...

Hey, shithead!

You know, he could be yelling anything, you know, over there.

Grandpa, what?

What, grandpa?

It's just like off in the background.

I'm trying to think of what one of the things that Biden said, like, you know...

You're a choker!

You're a choker, Joe!

You're choking!

This is...

Here...

This is...

This is how the sound ran for that, though.

It was like...

Oh, another thing, right?

Dude, you gotta stop it!

He wasn't talking to his microphone.

He may have been, but they had it turned off.

It's like...

It was...

Like, the sound was garbled.

Well, yeah, maybe that.

But I'm talking about just muting, right?

So it's like...

They had the Trump muted.

I did it again.

Sorry.

No, no.

No.

But it would be like, yeah, if I could just...

Yeah.

When...

And you, you know, hit the mute button, right?

God damn it!

Listen!

Yeah.

I can hear...

I can't hear myself.

Yeah.

But, yeah, so they want the...

Yeah, the Harris campaign wants him to be live on the mic, because they know.

They know that it's...

Because he'll just go crazy.

He'll look like an idiot.

The expectation is that he's not going to be able to control himself.

So why can't he...

Why can't he just be like...

Why are they arguing?

Why is the Trump campaign arguing that they need his microphone shut off?

What the hell?

Because that was the original deal.

But why do they want...

Why can't they just be like, yeah, okay, it's a power thing?

Or are they, like, terrified that he would sound like a raving lunatic?

Yeah.

Because he's going to sound like a raving lunatic anyway.

But he would sound less like one.

I mean, that's the thing is he always stays on point for the first minute.

You know, you just got to give him time.

And so that if you let him have an open mic, you know, and that could be a strategy.

You know, Harris, one of her strategies...

I hope is to be super mean because she's been...

Like when she was mean to Joe.

Poor Grandpa Joe in those primary debates in 2020, you know, is like,

oh, she's going to get, you know, mean, which I like.

Like a nasty lady?

She'll be like a nasty lady?

Which is basically like just, you know, not backing off.

Yeah, not being demure.

Like a lady, she'll be mean.

Exactly.

So being...

Being more like a man.

I don't want to say more like a man, but yeah, yeah, just, you know...

Talking like a man.

Playing like a man.

Yeah, totally.

And I...

Hopefully she does that in the...

But she could also just stop talking, you know, and just let him go.

And then that's a strategy too, you know, where it's just like...

And then let the moderators say, blah, blah, blah.

You know, former President Trump, you need to stop.

You know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And he just keeps going.

I mean, that is what you do, right?

So sometimes it's like, oh, the child's having a...

And what do you do?

Either you yell at the kid and you pick him up and walk him out of the room,

or you just let them spin on the floor, right?

Yeah.

And sort of burn themselves out.

This literally happened to me today.

I was the child.

Yeah.

They just sat there and listened to me.

So J.B. is either J5 in the dish.

I feel the reason is that she won't be able to call him out.

Hmm.

Yeah.

I don't know.

We'll see.

We'll see if it even happens.

Do you think it'll happen?

I have no idea.

This is all...

Yeah.

It's all crazy town.

It's crazy town.

Oh, and that was the other thing.

It's like, okay, it's crazy town until November, until the election.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That's what you had a realization.

Yeah.

Talking about like 2000, it came up in a dinner conversation.

And then what else?

Oh, just the stuff about Georgia and the board of electors there, you know,

and what's going on with them.

And I'm like, oh, shit.

I forgot.

I basically forgot.

It's like, this is not going to be over in November.

This is going to go on.

It's going to go on for months.

Do you think we'll have another January 6th?

Like the Trumpers will take, you know, try to take over?

I, you know, I don't even, I'm not even thinking that.

I'm just thinking, you know, another 2000, you know, it's, it's, it's just going to

be this night, national nightmare, extended legal craziness.

And then, I mean, the Supreme Court was, you know, was...

It just was, in 2000, was, you know, had just gone over the, you know, had, had just

flipped, right?

Yeah.

And then it's, it's like, oh, oh, where it's at now.

It's just like, so maybe it won't be, maybe it will be over sooner.

It'll be over.

Yeah.

They'll be like, well, we know that Kamala Harris seems to have gotten more votes, but

we know that that's a lie.

And she's actually, we're ruling that she's not an American citizen because of her skin

color.

So it's going to be Trump.

Yeah.

So...

Hallelujah.

That was my realization.

Yeah.

It was just like, oh, this is going to be, our national nightmare will not be over in

November.

Can he go more than four years?

Can they change that?

Can, you can always...

After, after he gets elected, can he change it so that he can just stay?

Well, he can't change it.

It would have to be a, that would be a amending the constitution.

So that way...

It would require a two thirds.

It's like the ERA or something.

They'd have to...

Yeah.

Because they, they already put in that amendment about term limits on, on presidents.

Right.

And so that's an amendment, right?

Yeah.

And so they'd have to do the, a new constitutional amendment to override that.

And that would require two thirds states approval, right?

Which is possible.

And it would require people reading it.

It would be sad if the, that, you know...

Well, the ERA couldn't get through and then extending presidential terms did.

Got through.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's beautiful.

Well, anything, did you, have you watched anything good this week?

I don't think I have.

I haven't had, yeah, I haven't had any quality time.

Oh, I watched, you know what?

I watched the first episode of the fourth season of Only Murders in the Building, which,

you know, fourth season, that seems like it'll be bad.

But I actually was...

I was pretty impressed.

I was, I was like, oh my God, this might actually be pretty intense.

And what's his name?

Steve Martin was acting.

Did it just start?

Yeah.

Okay.

First, first, first.

Yeah.

And they're, they're doing a weekly release.

They're not, they didn't do a dump.

So, so it might be good.

Might be good.

It might be great.

I don't know.

I was very optimistic.

It's, it's packed with so many actors now.

You know, the show.

That's kind of fun.

Yeah.

So many stars.

I mean, they got Meryl Streep back.

So it's just kind of like, and the, the, the Meryl Streep season last year was good, but

it was, you know, it felt like a third season of a show, right?

Whereas this fourth, yeah, just, but, but they always start out good out of the gate.

We'll see.

See what happens.

The, the Deadpool movie was good.

I enjoyed it.

It was really good.

I, they're like, I'm trying to remember what the jokes were in it.

The younger is going through all the X-Men movies.

And so I'll go into the air conditioned room and sit and watch part of that.

And wow, what, what an insipid load of dookie those movies are.

Yeah.

Those are probably really bad.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

I didn't watch them.

They're like, somebody literally said, what is it?

You're going to wish you killed me or something.

What is the, the, the, the, the trope, the cliche that people say all the time?

You're going to wish you, you're going to wish you killed me when you had the chance.

Right.

That they, somebody said it, yelled it like in all seriousness.

I was just like, oh my God, give me a break.

It makes me feel bad for having watched lots of Marvel movies and liking them.

You know, like, could this one actually be like, is it exponentially worse as we were

talking about?

I don't know.

I mean, it's all garbage to me now.

Yeah.

Well, it's, I think I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying

to think.

Yeah.

I, the funny thing is the guy who, who's the guy who plays Deadpool?

Ryan Reynolds.

Reynolds.

All right.

Who's the guy who plays the Ken?

Ryan Gosling.

Okay.

They both have this first name, Ryan.

I was getting them mixed up in my insomnia last night.

So Ryan Reynolds, he just talks and talks and talks.

He just runs his mouth off.

It's really funny.

You know, the way he keeps talking.

It's, it's, it's, they have the, the inside jokes are pretty good.

And he said,

at some point he says, he's like yelling at somebody and, you know, he's like gonna,

gonna complain to the management or something like that.

And he says, he says, I have a black belt in Karen and blah, blah, blah.

He's like, this is just really, really, I laughed.

I thought it was funny.

I, it was funny enough where I wrote it down, but I don't remember the whole movie.

Just because my mind is erased by walking into the air conditioned room and watching

whatever part of the X-Men you guys were, were, or sorry, the young one was watching.

The young ones was watching your, so we, I want you guys to know anybody who's watching

this, we do not have air conditioning and it was about 97 degrees outside today.

This, the room that we're sitting in.

That hot again?

Yeah, it was really, really hot.

I went outside.

It didn't seem as bad as Tuesday.

Yeah.

Didn't seem like death temperatures.

Yeah, no, it seemed, it was, it was pretty, it was, you may have been dressed better this

time, but so we're sitting in a room in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in

a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a,

and that windows are not even open, but tonight it's going to get down to 73 degrees.

So we're going to, yeah, no, that's, that's, that'll be.

That's a normal nighttime temperature.

Well, it'll be cool.

Like it'll, it'll be cool.

Like the, the air condition or the air, the windows will come through the, or the air

will come through the windows and maybe we'll be able to sleep tonight, but it's very hot.

I'm going to look at the humidity forecast though.

It's not just the, the heat.

It's not just the heat.

And then you can do the thing where it's, what's the, what does it feel like?

The dew point is 75 degrees.

That's dew point 75 is pretty hot.

But so it's very hot in here.

But, you know, how much are you paying for air conditioning?

Because we're not, although we have the little window unit now.

But, you know, that's, you can think of that like it's probably hundreds of dollars that we're saving.

Probably.

And the planet.

And, I mean, if you want, you can just go to work.

Go sit and work.

We could probably sleep there.

I think about that.

All right.

I think we're done.

Yeah.

Thanks for listening.

We'll see you next time.