The Shoegaze Runcast

Welcome to the KEXP RunCast. I am your host, John Richards, your running buddy and your musical

friend who tries to bring you a soundtrack each and every episode to help you through your

training, maybe get you through some runs or even inspire you to run some races. And as we've done

a lot this season, I've been trying to bring in guests who are runners, may have a different

perspective, and they're going to pick some music maybe I wouldn't have picked. And hopefully we

all have better runs for it and better times for it and discover some music along the way.

So I've been working on this one for quite a while. I thought it'd be cool to get a KEXP

Shoegaze RunCast. And we brought in our friend Greg Burtons of Film School to help us with this

Shoegaze podcast as he is the frontman for one of my favorite bands, Film School, who I've been

playing for years on the show. And turns out he's a runner as well. So let's get started with Greg

and his show.

And I asked him how running helped him conquer his addictions.

When I started getting sober and really getting sober, like really committing to it, you know,

I noticed that first when the alcohol and drugs went away, my thinking changed, right? Like I

started to feel like I could think more clearly. But also my emotions changed, right? I got a

little bit less spiky, you know, both ways. And, you know, like, I think that as I was

focusing on running, I started to feel like I could think more clearly. And I noticed that

as I was focusing on the mental side of recovery, I, you know, I was also kind of starting to dabble

in running and whatnot. And I noticed that my mind changed when I was running, like, like I would get

a difficult chemical reaction or different chemicals in my head. And my thinking became

sort of less, less neurotic, less dark, less depressive. What I found was that not only did I

need like the, the mental side of it, but I also started to feel like I could think more clearly. And

I noticed that the mental side and the spiritual side really of recovery, but I needed the physical

side too. But it was really like the mental effect of running changed my way of thinking

and made it more in line with kind of like the sober person I was trying to move into. It really

helped.

I can't even, it just, it just kind of made me feel like I can't be too anxious. And it's

like, it really did help keep me going.

Yeah.

I can't do that.

Yeah.

Between my house and the neighbor's wall

I am not conscious of my hair at all

I'm not sensitive to falsehoods

I believe myself and I'm safe

Be reasonable

It's not a lie

Be reasonable

It's not a lie

Be reasonable

It's not a lie

Thank you.

Yes, yes, we're going to start again

I can't feel my face

What did you say?

I'm in your time and space

I can't feel my face

What did you say?

I'm in your time and space

Time and space

I love that one from Mo Dottie, for anyone in you.

They're described as jangle gays, by the way, which I kind of love.

Flying colors.

And I've got to mention some surprises in their Seattle band for your shoegaze run today.

All right, back to Greg, and I asked him about some of the songs he picked, including the band La Veda.

Yeah, man, Ali's voice on this song is just so intense.

It's like she's setting up like this private kind of personal world in this song, and I don't even know if it's about her or not, but the content she's speaking about is very emotional, and coupled with her voice and the band, like, they all just really hit this like very emotional vulnerability, and I don't know, it's a very cathartic song for me when I run.

In some ways, it reminds me of being like really young.

Like 13, 14, just getting into music, and then finding a song that really speaks to you, you know, that feeling you get where you just really, a song that brings out a lot of feelings, and this song definitely does that.

I wanna go crawling in my skin

Faking a smile until it's a lie

Tied up in a wall

And I can't help it

Time will never know what you want

Tried my best not to cry

Took what you wanted and gone

I wanna see what you've done to hurt

Breaking a heart

Sometimes they never learn

To do much and choke

Wouldn't you know

Never honest, never innocent, I hope

You never get what you want

You are my best, not the kind

You took what you wanted and got

You are my best, not the kind

You took what you wanted and got

You are my best, not the kind

You took what you wanted and got

You are my best, not the kind

Oh, unless I fade out

another world far

Oh, unless I fade out another world far

So I'm ready to go and die

I'm ready to go and die

Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah

Another day it comes back

The same old corner

Where things will be fine

Another day it comes back

The same old corner

Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah

Another day it comes back

The same old corner

Where things will be fine

Another day it comes back

The same old corner

Where things will be fine

I'm so out of breath, I can't see what we've seen

When you see the rest of you, it won't be me

I'm so out of breath, I can't see what we've seen

So let's go to the Lord

Let's go to the Lord

We'll be right back.

oh, I hate running. End of conversation. I'm like, okay, you know, I get it. I mean, that was,

I would say the same thing, you know, I had to discover it for myself. Contempt before

investigation is kind of the words, you know, that I would say that a lot of people have about

running. So if you're on the fence about it, I would say, get into a program that it actually

helps you build up to a place where you start enjoying running. Because most people come out

and say, Oh, man, I'm overweight. And I feel lousy. And I just want to go out and I'm going

start running and they get some shoes and they run a mile. And then for the first week, like

every day in like 90 degree weather, and they have they come out with shin splints and heat

exhaustion. And they're like, I told you, I hated running, you know, you set yourself up, dude,

you know, like, what am I what am I going to say? Yeah, running sucks. So you set up like with a

program, you know, like something that would help you to

easily

ease into it, right? And I don't ease into anything. So I get it like people are gonna

like people like me, I kind of get obsessive, you know, like, you still need something to like,

at least keep you on, like on track. The other thing I would say, super important, which I did,

I found somebody else who was kind of curious about it, too. And we signed up for a 5k,

a 5k that was like three months in advance. Now I've got at least a goal, you know, I've got to

cross the finish line in three months, you know, and it was only like, you know, 3.1 miles or

whatever. And he and I kind of inspired each other. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to do this.

I think signing up for a 5k in general, it's just a really great idea. If you're if you're curious

about it, you know, curious enough to be like talking about it and asking questions, sign up

for a 5k and get a get a plan.

I think signing up for a 5k in general, it's just a really great idea. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to do this.

Let's do it.

Oh, you're all wrapped up and then thrown away, away

You're all wrapped up and then thrown away, away

Away, away

You can play

I've had enough

Have you locked in my head?

Give me everything, everything you could

Don't know if it's enough for me

Still

Can't wait to lock in my head

Waiting for the past, is it a fantasy or a sign?

Are you feeling my pride?

Don't tell me that you're gonna be inside

Don't tell me that you're gonna be around

Don't tell me that you're gonna be inside

Don't tell me that you're gonna be around

Don't tell me that you're gonna be here right now

In the end

I found another voice hiding in my head

I took everything, everything I could

I don't know if it's enough for me

Tell me that it won't be so

Tell me that it won't be enough

Tell me that it won't be so

Tell me that it won't be enough

Tell me that it won't be so

Tell me that it won't be enough

Thank you.

Big breath of heaven.

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hope you're having a good run today i hope you're enjoying the shoegaze run cast today we want to

thank our friend greg burtons of film school our first ever shoegaze podcast and uh i'm glad he

picked this one i love this song this is the asteroid number four in a song called rescue

so

i know

Listen to the tears of a windshield

Let me die

I don't know what they want from me anyway

Too much, so I slip away

I know, I know you'll never hear what I say

It's just what I know you won't know

Can't let you into me now

First love is to save the day

Yeah

Folks, soon will be the dishes

To serve you

And now is the time

Ghosts come up to us

Signal at night

To the valkyries

For you to stay

And a clean haze

Come on up

It's what I know you won't know

I know we'll be out tonight

It's just what I know you won't know

When will I come?

On to the Spa

Tony with my peas

Don't wanna be reached

And sometimes I seem to move ahead

And I think of standing by the words that you have to say

To my love, I hope you'll learn your way

This time, this time

I hope you hear what I say

This is really not a really great night

Can I make it right to the window?

First of all, it's too sad to die

Single me up to the sunshine

When you turn around and I find

I know, I hope to say goodbye

I hope to say goodbye

This is really not a really great night

Can I make it right to the window?

First of all, it's too sad to die

Single me up to the sunshine

When you turn around and I find

I know, I hope to say goodbye

All I wanna do is rescue

Although I know you don't want to

Rescue

All I wanna do is rescue

Although I know you don't want to

Rescue

Although I know you don't want to rescue

Rescue

We'll be right back.

All right, Cheetahs and Geographic at Asteroid No. 4th Rescue.

And Greg, I wanted to ask about this

number one question that I've been asking you

and the next one, they're called Whitelands.

They're out of London.

This is actually probably the most shoegazy of all the bands,

I'd say.

Their tones and recording style

and everything just really feels to me

like has all the vibes

of like early 90s tones,

you know, reminds me a little slow dive.

But, you know, they do it in their own way.

They have like this depth to, like this

emotional depth. I think that that's

kind of a consistent thing for me. Like there has

to be some kind of an emotional depth

for it to move me while

I'm running. And, you know, some people

are looking for like metal, like hard

stuff, and some people are looking for

peppy, like all super bright

and peppy. But usually

when I'm running, I'm looking for

something more emotional. That's kind

of what gives me a deeper feeling of a run.

I saw

the black

on your

captivation

some of the banks

the color

of infatuated

you

I want to feel the warmth

devoid of

orientation

only simple words

please

I'd like to understand

the meaning behind

what they mean

in my

guessing if I do

Oh I'm a flame in your

nightmares

I'll float and show you where

under a

stack of rose

under the sun

I feel alive, so good it's all alright

Keep shoulders burning black, purity in its place

If your new fascinations breathe

Then what ambitions grow under the setting sun?

I'm a few the wolf, devoid of all the soul

Only simple words please, I'd like to understand

Meaning behind, what they mean when I

Can't seem to follow through

I feel alive, so good it's all alright

Keep shoulders burning black, purity in its place

If your new fascinations breathe

Then what ambitions grow under the setting sun?

Keep shoulders burning black, purity in its place

Under the sun

Under the setting sun

I could be wrong, you could be right

What would it change, settle a fight?

I could be not being true

But I did it

Please don't be sad

We can take a happy ending

But there's no shine

Please don't be sad

I won't be mad

Please don't be sad

I won't be mad

Peace...

Please don't be sad

We've got to turn this love into a blessing

We can be proud of something and what's begun

Grab what we can and try to hold on

I could be strong, you could take flight

Why can't we see we're losing sight?

Misunderstanding

Please don't be sad, I'll hold me back

The sadness in everyone

Please understand

We can be proud of something and what's begun

Grab what we can and try to hold on

I could be strong, you could take flight

Misunderstanding

Please don't be sad, I'll hold me back

The sadness in everyone

Please understand

We can be proud of something and what's begun

Misunderstanding

Please don't be sad, I'll hold me back

The sadness in everyone

Please understand

We can be proud of something and what's begun

Grab what we can and try to hold on

We can be proud of something and what's begun

Gamesin history

käyt

We can be proud of something and what's begun

Thank you.

As I mentioned earlier, best titles ever

in shoegaze bands. Pink Shiny Ultra

Blast there with Holy Forest.

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and I think the ambient into the

shoegaze runcast, if you haven't listened

to the ambient one, go back and listen to it.

It's a great way to get everybody

involved in running. That is our goal

here on the KEXP Runcast and

at KEXP, it's all about community.

It's all about music discovery.

It's all about taking care of ourselves and I can't

think of any better way

than your running and your

music needs being met. So hopefully we met

those and it has been a really

really fun ride today.

Alright, Greg, we gotta end with a film

with school song.

There's no way we're not doing that and

I asked Greg on why

running is spiritual for him.

I think what happens when you

get on a run and your body

is feeling good, right?

And you're a little bit

accustomed to running, right? I don't think this

happens on the first run or maybe

even the tenth run. But when your

body starts to become

more

acclimated to running and you start

feeling like you

can enjoy running a little bit more,

your mind

I feel like

starts to become relaxed.

At least my mind. It starts to become

relaxed. My thinking slows.

The thoughts that are racing through my head

slows and I start to feel more

in tune with my body.

And I've found

that in combination

with the chemicals that are being released

gives you a feeling, a little bit of a

feeling of elation.

I don't think of it necessarily as a

high, like getting high,

like drinking or drugs.

There is a calmness.

To the high. That's why I feel

like it feels more spiritual

to me. It feels like a connectedness

to your body, maybe even

to your environment that you're running in.

And a lot of times, music

for me will deepen that

spiritual connection.

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I can sort of see the way it made sense to you

You better make it right when you fucking walk

I remember every day it made sense to you

Everything you said made sense to you

I don't even care if this misses tomorrow

Nothing that I did would make a union of us

I'd like to know the day to break the angry goodbye

Defending the rules, defending the mix

Standing for us, standing for me