Deborah Levy: swimming with words
Charlotte Mulon
EAU LIBRE : le podcast dédié aux passionné(e)s d’aventure, d’eau libre et d’eau froide : portraits par Layer&Plouf.
Deborah Levy: swimming with words
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Bienvenue dans notre podcast au libre, podcast dédié aux amoureux de l'eau et de l'eau froide, à tous les esprits libres qui aiment l'aventure.
Welcome to our podcast "Au Libre", a podcast dedicated to water lovers and cold water enthusiasts, to all the free spirits who love adventure.
Je suis Charlotte, fondatrice de Layer & Clou, marque d'équipements et de vêtements dédiée à l'après-swim, qui vous accompagne dans toutes vos aventures mouillées avec style.
I am Charlotte, founder of Layer & Clou, a brand of gear and clothing dedicated to after-swim, which accompanies you in all your wet adventures with style.
Avec ce podcast, je vous emmène à la rencontre de passionnés qui partageront avec vous leur expérience.
With this podcast, I take you to meet enthusiasts who will share their experiences with you.
L'expérience de l'eau, des sportifs, des médecins, des enthousiastes, des artistes.
The experience of water, athletes, doctors, enthusiasts, artists.
Vous aussi, tentez l'aventure de l'eau froide. Mouillez-vous, échappez-vous.
You too, dare the adventure of cold water. Get wet, escape.
Bonjour à tous et bienvenue dans notre podcast au libre.
Hello everyone and welcome to our podcast at liberty.
Je suis très excitée aujourd'hui, car c'est le premier pour moi.
I am very excited today because it's the first time for me.
Nous allons nous diverger dans le monde de Deborah Levy, une athlète britannique, athlète, playwright et poète,
We will diverge into the world of Deborah Levy, a British athlete, athlete, playwright, and poet.
connue pour son soulagement.
known for its relief.
Vous avez probablement entendu parler de Hot Milk, ou Swimming Home, et de Deborah's autobiographie, composée de trois livres.
You have probably heard of Hot Milk, or Swimming Home, and Deborah's autobiography, which consists of three books.
Deborah a été listée deux fois pour le Booker Prize, et elle a une voix unique qui déclenche le lecteur,
Deborah has been nominated twice for the Booker Prize, and she has a unique voice that captivates the reader.
en la faisant une figure importante dans le monde de la littérature contemporaine.
making her an important figure in the world of contemporary literature.
Comment ai-je rencontré Deborah ?
How did I meet Deborah?
Elle a commencé avec un livre que ma mère m'a apporté.
She started with a book that my mother brought me.
Ce livre s'appelle « Journales de nage » par Chantal Thomas.
This book is called "Swim Diaries" by Chantal Thomas.
Dans ce livre, Deborah laisse une message à Chantal qui dit
In this book, Deborah leaves a message to Chantal that says
« Mais ce que je veux le plus, c'est de courir. C'est la meilleure vie. »
"But what I want the most is to run. It's the best life."
Et j'ai aimé ça.
And I liked that.
Un peu plus tard, Fanny m'a envoyé un texte disant que elle et Deborah allaient venir à Marseille
A little later, Fanny sent me a text saying that she and Deborah were coming to Marseille.
et qu'on devait tous aller courir.
and that we all had to go running.
Donc, ici nous sommes aujourd'hui, à Marseille, enregistrant ce podcast,
So, here we are today, in Marseille, recording this podcast,
et en train d'aller courir très rapidement.
and is going to run very quickly.
Merci beaucoup, Deborah, d'être avec nous aujourd'hui.
Thank you very much, Deborah, for being with us today.
Et j'aimerais, si c'est bon pour vous, si vous pouviez nous donner un petit peu d'introduction.
And I would like, if it's good for you, if you could give us a little introduction.
Bonjour, Charlotte. C'est si bien de vous parler.
Hello, Charlotte. It's so nice to talk to you.
Enchantée.
Nice to meet you.
Donc, une introduction sur vous, et un petit peu pour les lecteurs qui ne vous connaissent pas.
So, an introduction about yourself, and a little bit for readers who do not know you.
Je ne pense pas qu'il y en ait beaucoup, mais encore une fois, qu'est-ce que vous faites ?
I don't think there are many, but again, what are you doing?
Où vous vivez ?
Where do you live?
Pourquoi sommes-nous ici aujourd'hui ?
Why are we here today?
D'accord. Nous sommes ici aujourd'hui pour courir, et nous sommes ici aujourd'hui pour peut-être parler de courir dans la littérature.
Alright. We are here today to run, and we are here today to maybe talk about running in literature.
Mais j'ai d'abord appris à courir en Afrique du Sud, parce que j'ai été née là-bas.
But I first learned to run in South Africa because I was born there.
J'ai quitté ma famille quand j'avais neuf ans.
I left my family when I was nine years old.
C'était les années d'apartheid en Afrique du Sud, et ma famille a dû partir.
It was the years of apartheid in South Africa, and my family had to leave.
Mais ma mère m'a enseigné à courir, et elle venait de ce qu'on appelait à l'époque Port Elizabeth.
But my mother taught me how to run, and she came from what was called Port Elizabeth at the time.
Je sais, Port Elizabeth.
I know, Port Elizabeth.
Oui, très ventueux, mais de belles plages.
Yes, very windy, but beautiful beaches.
Et ma mère m'a enseigné à courir dans le ciel, dans l'océan Indien.
And my mother taught me to run in the sky, in the Indian Ocean.
C'est délirant.
It's crazy.
Et j'en pense souvent parce que c'était la seule partie de ma mère qui était très puissante.
And I often think about it because it was the only part of my mother that was very powerful.
Elle était une courante courante.
She was a flowing current.
Et dans sa vie, beaucoup de ses propres rêves ne pouvaient pas se réaliser.
And in his life, many of his own dreams could not come true.
Donc, sa puissance pour moi, où je la voyais vraiment comme quelqu'un de plus comme elle-même,
So, her power for me, where I really saw her more as herself,
était dans l'eau.
was in the water.
Et là, nous étions dans l'océan Indien, qui est assez chaud, mais c'est connu pour les chars.
And there, we were in the Indian Ocean, which is quite warm, but it is known for the currents.
Bien sûr.
Of course.
Vous savez, c'est étrange pour moi, quand j'avais trois ans,
You know, it's strange for me, when I was three years old,
ce n'était pas vraiment terrifiant.
it wasn't really terrifying.
C'était un peu excitant.
It was a bit exciting.
Mais évidemment, je suis dans le fond de la chaleur.
But of course, I am at the bottom of the heat.
Et je veux dire, elle m'a vraiment mis dans ses bras,
And I mean, she really put me in her arms,
et elle m'a mis dans l'eau, et elle a étendu un peu de distance de moi,
and she put me in the water, and she moved a little distance away from me,
et j'ai dû courir vers elle.
and I had to run towards her.
Et il y avait les ondes, le vent et les oiseaux,
And there were the waves, the wind, and the birds,
et les odeurs que je peux toujours me souvenir de certaines plantes.
and the scents that I can always remember from certain plants.
Donc, c'était comme ça que j'ai appris à courir.
So, that's how I learned to run.
Donc, c'est ton plus ancien souvenir de courir.
So, that's your oldest memory of running.
Oui, oui.
Yes, yes.
Trois ans. C'est très jeune d'apprendre à courir.
Three years. It's very young to learn to run.
Et puis, ta mère t'a enseigné,
And then, your mother taught you,
et tu as continué à courir tous les ans, et tous ces ans.
And you continued to run every year, and all those years.
Oui, alors, nous sommes arrivés en Britannique, à Londres, quand j'avais neuf ans.
Yes, well, we arrived in Britain, in London, when I was nine years old.
Et c'était très drôle, parce que dans ma école anglaise, à Londres,
And it was very funny because at my English school in London,
nous avions dû faire des cours de courir,
we had to take running classes,
et nous avions dû aller à ces pôles de courir victoriens,
and we had to go to those Victorian running poles,
des pôles de courir, qui étaient froid, drastiques,
poles of running, which were cold, drastic,
l'eau était un peu flottante et chlorinée,
the water was a bit floating and chlorinated,
et j'aimais mon anglais, mes nouveaux amis anglais,
and I loved my English, my new English friends,
mais ils ne pouvaient pas courir.
but they could not run.
À neuf ans.
At nine years old.
Oui.
Yes.
Et donc, ils n'aimaient pas mettre leurs têtes sous l'eau de ces pôles.
And so, they didn't like putting their heads underwater in those poles.
Tout le monde s'éclate, tout le monde veut sortir.
Everyone is having a blast, everyone wants to go out.
Et j'avais juste à prétendre,
And I just had to pretend,
que je ne pouvais pas courir si bien,
that I couldn't run so well,
parce que je voulais qu'ils aient l'air comme moi.
because I wanted them to look like me.
De faire partie du groupe.
To be part of the group.
Et de faire partie du groupe.
And to be part of the group.
Mais j'ai toujours pensé que si ils avaient rempli le pôle de courir avec du thé,
But I always thought that if they had filled the pole with running with tea,
parce que tout le monde boit du thé en Angleterre,
because everyone drinks tea in England,
et c'était nouveau pour moi, vous savez,
and it was new for me, you know,
alors tout le monde mettait ses têtes sous l'eau,
so everyone was putting their heads underwater,
et courait très bien.
and ran very well.
Il y a quelque chose sur la tête sous l'eau,
There is something on the head underwater,
comme ce pas, quand tu apprends à courir,
like this step, when you learn to run,
c'est comme si c'était un pôle de courir, n'est-ce pas?
It's like it's a pole to run, isn't it?
C'est ça, n'est-ce pas?
That's it, isn't it?
C'est un peu comme, vous savez,
It's a bit like, you know,
quand vos yeux sont brûlés,
when your eyes are burnt,
quand l'eau va sur ton nez,
when the water goes on your nose,
dans tes oreilles.
in your ears.
Mais ensuite, tu grandis,
But then you grow up,
tu aimes ce sentiment.
You love this feeling.
Pour moi, c'est toujours ce moment,
For me, it's always this moment,
quand je mets ma tête sous l'eau,
when I put my head underwater,
même aujourd'hui,
even today,
c'est comme un moment de plaisir.
It's like a moment of pleasure.
Et avez-vous jamais appris après,
And have you ever learned afterwards,
à améliorer votre courir?
to improve your running?
Ou c'était juste un plaisir?
Or was it just a pleasure?
Tu sais, j'ai commencé à courir.
You know, I started running.
Tu sais, je ne suis pas un courrier sportif.
You know, I'm not a sports courier.
Je ne cours pas vraiment
I don't really run.
pour l'exercice,
for the exercise,
même si je le fais un peu,
even if I do it a little bit,
parce que je suis écrivaine
because I am a writer
et que mon corps
and that my body
est éloigné de mon ordinateur.
is far from my computer.
Donc, être capable
So, to be able
d'éloigner l'eau,
to move away the water,
d'ouvrir la tête,
to open the head,
d'éloigner les pieds
to keep the feet away
et les bras,
and the arms,
c'est incroyable.
It's incredible.
Donc, peut-être que
So, maybe that
l'éloignement est vraiment vintage.
The distance is really vintage.
Je ne sais pas.
I don't know.
Je vais voir
I'm going to see.
quand on y va.
when we go there.
Mon courir n'est pas si grand.
My run is not so big.
Avez-vous jamais arrêté de courir
Have you ever stopped running?
depuis que vous étiez enfant?
since you were a child?
Il y a eu une période où
There was a time when
vous aviez continué
you had continued
pendant tous ces ans.
for all these years.
Quand j'étais étudiante,
When I was a student,
à 18 ans,
at 18 years old,
j'avais un entraînement de théâtre.
I had a theater rehearsal.
Pas pour être actrice,
Not to be an actress,
mais pour être actrice,
but to be an actress,
je suis allée au Théâtre
I went to the theater.
à la Collège d'art d'Artington.
at the Artington Art College.
C'était à Devon,
It was in Devon,
dans le paysage.
in the landscape.
Il y avait un pôle
There was a pole.
dans ce petit village,
in this small village,
mais il y avait un rivier,
but there was a river,
le rivier Dart.
the River Dart.
Et donc,
And so,
en février et en hiver,
in February and in winter,
on allait courir
we were going to run
dans le Dart.
in the Dart.
Vous avez continué à courir?
Did you keep running?
Un peu, mais dans les mois d'hiver,
A little, but in the winter months,
je n'avais pas eu le temps
I hadn't had the time.
de courir.
to run.
Mais non, je porte un costume
But no, I'm wearing a suit.
dans mon sac,
in my bag,
partout où je vais,
wherever I go,
et j'essaie de trouver un endroit
and I'm trying to find a place
où courir, d'une façon ou d'une autre.
where to run, one way or another.
Donc aujourd'hui,
So today,
vous vivez principalement à Londres
you mainly live in London
et vous vivez aussi à Paris,
and you also live in Paris,
n'est-ce pas?
isn't it?
Oui, j'y suis allée.
Yes, I went there.
Quand je viens à Paris,
When I come to Paris,
c'est normal de faire
it's normal to do
le triathlon.
the triathlon.
Mes éditeurs français
My French publishers
me tiennent très occupée,
keep me very busy,
donc souvent, j'ai des événements littéraires
So often, I have literary events.
à Paris et en France.
in Paris and in France.
Mon pôle de piscine local
My local swimming facility.
est Piscine Pontoise.
is Pontoise Pool.
Donc, quand vous allez à Paris,
So, when you go to Paris,
vous allez dans un pôle de piscine?
Are you going to a swimming pool?
Oui, oui.
Yes, yes.
J'entends des rumeurs, Charlotte,
I hear rumors, Charlotte,
que le sol sera prêt
that the sun will be ready
pour qu'on pisse, non?
So that we can pee, right?
J'entends des messages mixtes.
I hear mixed messages.
Apparemment, Nice dit
Apparently, Nice says.
qu'il n'est pas assez bon
that he is not good enough
pour les Olympiques,
for the Olympics,
mais les gens s'éclatent
but people are having a blast
au Canal de l'Ourc.
at the Ourc Canal.
Et je n'y ai pas encore sauvé.
And I haven't saved there yet.
C'est quelque chose que je veux faire aussi.
It's something I want to do too.
J'ai un ami nommé Anne
I have a friend named Anne.
qui a 70 ans.
who is 70 years old.
Elle a fait le Monte Cristo,
She made the Monte Cristo.
le grand éclat de Marseille.
the great brilliance of Marseille.
Elle était vétéran.
She was a veteran.
Il y avait une compétition
There was a competition.
le 16 juin au Canal de l'Ourc
June 16 at the Ourc Canal
et elle l'a fait aussi.
and she did it too.
Elle m'a dit qu'il était incroyable.
She told me he was amazing.
L'eau était vraiment propre.
The water was really clean.
Plus propre que le serpentin.
Cleaner than the serpent.
C'est incroyable.
This is incredible.
En Londres,
In London,
j'ai sauvé
I saved.
dans les ponds
in the ponds
à Hampstead Heath.
to Hampstead Heath.
J'ai sauvé dans les ponds
I saved in the ponds.
des femmes.
women.
J'ai sauvé dans les ponds mixtes.
I saved in the mixed ponds.
Et les femmes plus âgées
And older women
qui sauvent tout l'année
who save all year round
ne sauvent pas tout l'année.
do not save all year round.
Les gens pensent que je suis
People think that I am
une sauveteuse d'eau froid.
a cold water lifeguard.
Je ne fais pas vraiment
I don't really do.
l'hiver très froid.
the very cold winter.
Mais les femmes plus âgées
But older women
sont incroyables.
are incredible.
Elles s'éloignent
They are moving away.
de la pente,
of the slope,
elles s'éloignent de l'aile
They are moving away from the wing.
et elles sont là.
and they are here.
Tu ne fais pas ça ?
Aren't you doing that?
Non, ce n'est pas pour moi.
No, it's not for me.
Donc, à Londres,
So, in London,
dans l'hiver,
in winter,
tu sauvais dans les ponds,
you saved in the ponds,
l'été, l'automne ?
summer, autumn?
Oui, l'été.
Yes, summer.
Elle est une sauveteuse d'eau froid.
She is a cold water lifesaver.
Elle sauvait 4°C tout l'année.
She saved 4°C all year round.
C'est bon pour elle,
It's good for her.
mais pas pour moi.
but not for me.
Donc, tu vas dans les ponds
So, you're going to the ponds.
quand il fait 14°C.
when it is 14°C.
Tu fais un tour de la pente
You make a turn of the slope.
ou tu restes ?
Where are you staying?
Ou tu dis que tu restes 15 minutes ?
Or do you say that you stay for 15 minutes?
Est-ce que tu utilises
Are you using?
une gargouille et un chapeau ?
A gargoyle and a hat?
Je ne fais pas vraiment
I'm not really doing it.
la gargouille et le chapeau.
the gargoyle and the hat.
Peut-être que,
Maybe that,
quand j'aurai de l'âge,
when I am older,
je vais faire la sauveteuse d'eau froid.
I am going to be the cold water lifeguard.
C'est quelque chose à attendre.
It is something to look forward to.
Ensuite, tu as le chapeau,
Then, you have the hat,
les chapeaux spéciaux.
the special hats.
Je vais dans l'eau
I am going in the water.
quand il fait 14°C.
when it is 14°C.
Je fais
I do.
un petit tour.
a little walk.
Tu sauvais
You were saving.
à Eran ?
to Eran?
Oui.
Yes.
Tous les petits gargouilles
All the little gargoyles
sont là.
are there.
Il y en a un
There is one.
qui est toujours là.
who is always there.
J'ai sauvé dans ces ponds
I saved in these ponds.
depuis que j'avais 15 ans.
since I was 15 years old.
C'est incroyable.
It's incredible.
Maintenant, tu dois payer.
Now, you have to pay.
C'était gratuit.
It was free.
C'est une chose terrible
It's a terrible thing.
de devoir payer maintenant.
to have to pay now.
C'était ouvert à tout le monde.
It was open to everyone.
Je dois confier
I must entrust.
que parfois,
that sometimes,
on s'en sortait de l'école.
We were getting out of school.
On était des truandes
We were hustlers.
de double maths.
double maths.
On allait
We were going
courir dans les ponds.
running in the ponds.
Dans les ponds mixtes
In mixed ponds.
parce qu'ils étaient
because they were
très mignons.
very cute.
On aimait
We loved.
aller boire,
to go drink,
courir,
to run,
prendre un pique-nique.
to have a picnic.
J'avais 15 ans.
I was 15 years old.
Dans les ponds féminins,
In female ponds,
il y avait
there was
une sorte d'arbre
a kind of tree
au milieu des ponds
in the middle of the ponds
que l'on pouvait
that one could
courir sur.
run on.
On pouvait
We could.
s'assurer
to ensure
d'être à Saint-Tropez
to be in Saint-Tropez
en hiver
in winter
parce que l'on allait
because we were going
monter sur
to get on
l'arbre
the tree
au milieu des ponds.
in the middle of the ponds.
As-tu jamais essayé
Have you ever tried?
de courir dans les ponds des hommes?
to run in the ponds of men?
Oui.
Yes.
Ma fille fait
My daughter is making.
des courses de poulets.
chicken races.
Chaque Noël,
Every Christmas,
on va dans les ponds des hommes
we go into the ponds of men
et on l'apprécie.
and we appreciate it.
C'est un bon pond.
It’s a good pond.
J'aime vraiment
I really like it.
les ponds des hommes.
the bridges of men.
C'est ouvert.
It is open.
Les ponds des femmes
The weights of women
sont plus
are more
ouverts.
open.
Les ponds des hommes
The bridges of men
sont plus ouverts.
are more open.
J'ai fait
I did.
le Pondathlon.
the Pondathlon.
Je ne sais pas si vous avez
I don't know if you have.
entendu parler de ça.
heard about that.
Le Pondathlon,
The Pondathlon,
chaque septembre,
every September,
le premier dimanche
the first Sunday
de septembre,
of September,
ils font une course.
They are racing.
C'était
It was
très casual.
very casual.
Maintenant,
Now,
les gens
the people
prennent
take
des courses d'athlètes.
athletic races.
Une course de 400 mètres.
A 400-meter race.
Vous êtes sportive, Charlotte.
You are sporty, Charlotte.
Honnêtement,
Honestly,
c'est tellement
it's so
amusant.
funny.
Je l'ai fait
I did it.
il y a dix ans.
ten years ago.
Je l'ai fait
I did it.
l'année dernière.
last year.
Nous ne sommes plus
We are no longer.
à Londres.
in London.
C'est vraiment
It's really
amusant.
funny.
Vous allez toujours
You are always going.
dans les ponds.
in the ponds.
Et le Lido ?
And the Lido?
Oui, j'adore le Lido.
Yes, I love the Lido.
Ils ont maintenant
They now have
une saunière
a salt worker
à l'arrière du Lido
at the back of the Lido
qui ferait
who would do
l'alimentation
the food
plus scandique.
more scandalous.
C'est l'un de mes
It's one of my
endroits.
places.
Et vous aimez
And you like
aller
to go
à deux
together
et parler.
and talk.
Ce n'est pas
This is not
vraiment mon truc
really my thing
dans un pôle.
in a pole.
Dans la mer,
In the sea,
c'est différent.
It's different.
Mais pour faire
But to do
ce que l'on appelle
what is called
le breaststroke,
the breaststroke,
et parler,
and talk,
ce n'est pas
it is not
vraiment pour moi.
really for me.
Dans la mer,
In the sea,
c'est pour
it's for
faire
to do / to make
le breaststroke
the breaststroke
tout le temps
all the time
et être avec les gens.
and being with people.
Et peut-être faire
And perhaps do
un long
a long
saut
jump
dans la matinée.
in the morning.
L'Aegean est
The Aegean is
la mer qui,
the sea that,
pour moi,
for me,
ressemble à
resembles to
de l'arbre.
from the tree.
C'est la mer des dieux.
It is the sea of the gods.
C'est amoureux,
It's romantic,
mais pas trop
but not too much
d'affection.
of affection.
Parfois,
Sometimes,
je ne vois pas de raison
I see no reason.
pour sortir de l'Aegean.
to exit the Aegean.
Avec la température
With the temperature
qui s'éclate
who is having a blast
avec l'urgence climatique,
with the climate emergency,
j'ai remarqué l'année dernière
I noticed last year.
que j'étais toujours
that I was always
dans l'Aegean
in the Aegean
et le soleil était si chaud
and the sun was so hot
que j'étais assez brûlée.
that I was quite burned.
Maintenant, j'ai à faire autrement.
Now, I have to do things differently.
Mais ce que j'aime
But what I love
sur les îles de la Grèce
on the islands of Greece
dans l'Aegean,
in the Aegean,
c'est que souvent,
it's that often,
il y a des arbres
there are trees
qui s'éclatent
who are having a blast
sur les rochers et les côtes.
on the rocks and the coasts.
Quand je sors,
When I go out,
je me réveille,
I wake up,
j'ai un peu de café,
I have some coffee.
beaucoup d'eau,
a lot of water,
et je pars sur le chemin
and I am leaving on the path
de la côte.
from the coast.
Je prends des arbres
I take trees.
du arbre. C'est mon déjeuner.
From the tree. It's my lunch.
C'est un long déjeuner.
It's a long lunch.
J'aime ça.
I like that.
C'est mon déjeuner
It's my lunch.
et tout le monde
and everyone
est dans le déjeuner,
is in the lunch,
on parle.
We talk.
Tu n'es jamais fière
You are never proud.
du déjeuner ?
for lunch?
Je ne suis pas si fière
I am not that proud.
du déjeuner.
for lunch.
Il y a eu un déjeuner
There was a lunch.
effrayant
frightening
qui m'a surpris.
who surprised me.
C'était à Cornwall,
It was in Cornwall,
et j'étais professeure
and I was a teacher
visiteuse
visitor
à l'école de l'art de Falmouth.
at the Falmouth School of Art.
À l'université,
At the university,
j'étudiais l'écriture pour l'animation.
I was studying writing for animation.
Et juste avant,
And just before,
deux heures avant
two hours before
que j'étudiais,
that I was studying,
j'étais avec mes collègues
I was with my colleagues.
et peut-être que c'était mai,
and maybe it was May,
donc la mer
so the sea
était très fière,
was very proud,
mais on marchait
but we were walking
sur la plage
on the beach
et j'ai pensé
and I thought
qu'il fallait entrer.
that it was necessary to enter.
Donc j'ai dit à mes collègues
So I told my colleagues.
que j'allais entrer.
that I was going to enter.
Il y avait un petit restaurant
There was a small restaurant.
sur la plage,
on the beach,
les gens mangeaient
people were eating
leur déjeuner,
their lunch,
et j'ai entré.
and I entered.
C'était très froid pour moi
It was very cold for me.
et les vagues étaient fortes.
and the waves were strong.
Et j'avais
And I had
sous-estimé
underestimated
la puissance
the power
de l'océan.
from the ocean.
Et la mer était trop fière.
And the sea was too proud.
C'était la première fois
It was the first time.
dans ma vie
in my life
que j'ai mis ma main sur l'océan.
that I put my hand on the ocean.
Et je n'étais pas très loin.
And I wasn't very far.
Il y avait un garde de vie.
There was a lifeguard.
J'ai mis ma main sur l'océan
I put my hand on the ocean.
et j'ai senti
and I felt
que c'était humiliant pour moi.
that it was humiliating for me.
Mais en fait,
But in fact,
je savais
I knew.
que j'allais sortir.
that I was going to go out.
Je ne pouvais pas revenir.
I couldn't come back.
Et il est venu.
And he came.
Nous sommes revenus ensemble.
We got back together.
Il m'a aidée un peu,
He helped me a little,
mais nous avons sauvé
but we saved
les vagues ensemble.
the waves together.
Mes collègues rient encore
My colleagues are still laughing.
parce que j'allais
because I was going
enseigner une heure et demie plus tard.
teach one and a half hours later.
Et tous de retour
And all are back.
à la plage.
at the beach.
Avec le garde de vie.
With the guardian of life.
J'ai peut-être une question étrange,
I may have a strange question,
mais est-ce que tu aimes
but do you like
regarder les autres s'éloigner ?
watch others drift away?
Oui, j'aime
Yes, I like it.
leur plaisir
their pleasure
dans l'eau.
in the water.
Je ne juge pas vraiment
I don't really judge.
leur stroke ou leur style de sauvage
their stroke or their wild style
ou leur costume de sauvage,
or their savage costume,
vraiment.
really.
J'aime vraiment
I really like it.
voir les gens prendre
see people take
beaucoup de plaisir
a lot of pleasure
dans l'eau.
in the water.
Les gens s'éloignent très différemment
People move away very differently.
à Paris, dans un pôle de sauvage
in Paris, in a wild hub
de Londres.
from London.
J'ai essayé de le faire.
I tried to do it.
L'étiquette ?
The label?
Oui.
Yes.
Pour commencer,
To begin,
je ne pouvais pas comprendre
I could not understand.
comment certaines personnes
how some people
portaient des flippers dans l'eau.
were wearing fins in the water.
Je me suis demandé pourquoi
I wondered why.
elles portaient des flippers
they were wearing flippers
et avaient des vêtements
and had clothing
dans l'eau.
in the water.
Ensuite, il y a eu
Then, there was
une façon forceuse
a forcible way
de garder les vagues.
to keep the waves.
À un moment,
At one point,
quelqu'un m'a sauvé
someone saved me
sous moi.
under me.
En Londres,
In London,
on est beaucoup trop polis.
We are way too polite.
On a un rythme
We have a rhythm.
et tout le monde
and everyone
est dans ce rythme.
is in this rhythm.
Peut-être que les gens
Maybe people
sont plus individualistes
are more individualistic
dans le pôle de Paris.
in the Paris area.
C'est un chaos.
It's a chaos.
Il y a un rythme différent,
There is a different rhythm,
c'est sûr.
It's for sure.
Je trouve qu'au Royaume-Uni,
I find that in the United Kingdom,
ils vous enseignent
they teach you
à ne pas bouger sur la ligne
do not move on the line
et à attendre
and to wait
jusqu'à la fin.
until the end.
En France,
In France,
c'est pareil.
it's the same.
Même les géré de la marche
Even the managers of the march.
ne se soucient pas.
do not care.
Je ne sais pas
I don't know.
si les autres
if the others
ne le savent,
do not know it,
mais dans Londres,
but in London,
si quelqu'un ne se sent pas
if someone does not feel
dans la voie,
in the way,
il va essayer
he will try
Peut-être que vous êtes trop lent.
Maybe you are too slow.
À Paris, on dit souvent que vous êtes lent,
In Paris, it is often said that you are slow,
en ligne moyenne, et quoi que ce soit,
on average, and whatever it is,
personne ne s'en soucie.
Nobody cares about it.
C'est ce que je trouve.
That's what I find.
Mais j'aime bien la différence.
But I like the difference.
Je suis un peu plus difficile
I am a little more difficult.
à sortir du pôle que à Paris.
to leave the pole than in Paris.
Et je trouve,
And I find,
et c'est ça qui me fait très...
and that's what makes me very...
En France, les gars n'aiment pas
In France, guys don't like.
quand vous plongez plus vite que eux.
when you dive faster than them.
Ils ne l'aiment pas, non.
They don’t love him, no.
En Londres, c'est...
In London, it's...
Personne ne s'en soucie.
Nobody cares.
Et en France, honnêtement,
And in France, honestly,
si un gars voit que vous plongez plus vite que lui,
if a guy sees that you dive faster than him,
il va essayer de le battre
He will try to beat him.
et de s'assurer qu'il est un et qu'il va être loin.
and to ensure that he is one and that he will be far away.
Il ne peut pas l'accepter.
He cannot accept it.
Mais c'est mon...
But it's my...
Peut-être que les choses changent.
Maybe things are changing.
Je ne sais pas.
I don't know.
Une autre question sur le plonger.
Another question about diving.
Qu'est-ce que vous pensez quand vous plongez ?
What do you think about when you dive?
Qu'est-ce que vous pensez et qu'est-ce que vous pensez quand vous plongez ?
What do you think and what do you feel when you dive?
Oui, alors quand je plonge,
Yes, so when I dive,
c'est un peu comme...
it's a bit like...
Je veux oublier ma tête
I want to forget my head.
parce que ma tête est tellement pleine de l'écriture.
because my head is so full of writing.
Disons que je suis en train d'écrire un novel, une fiction.
Let's say I am writing a novel, a fiction.
Et il y a cette toute architecture d'un livre dans ma tête.
And there is this entire architecture of a book in my head.
Les personnages, les situations, les problèmes humains,
The characters, the situations, the human problems,
l'esthétique de l'écriture, la langue.
the aesthetics of writing, the language.
Donc, quand je m'emmène dans l'eau,
So, when I take myself into the water,
vraiment, je veux perdre tout ça.
Really, I want to lose all of that.
Et d'une certaine manière, c'est un peu comme une méditation.
And in a way, it's a bit like meditation.
Ce n'est pas comme si je arrête de penser,
It's not like I'm stopping thinking,
mais c'est un peu comme si je la laisse aller.
but it's a bit like I'm letting her go.
Et je suis en train de plonger.
And I am diving.
Et certains pensées
And some thoughts
viennent dans mon esprit.
come to my mind.
Peut-être une mémoire ou quelque chose,
Perhaps a memory or something,
ou je pense à...
where I think of...
Il y a quelque chose que je n'ai pas pu résoudre dans le livre.
There is something I couldn't resolve in the book.
Il y a un problème dans le livre.
There is a problem in the book.
Mais je ne pense pas vraiment à ça.
But I'm not really thinking about that.
Je me dis ça à moi-même.
I tell myself that.
Mais, d'une certaine façon, l'inconscient dans l'eau
But, in a way, the unconscious in the water.
pense à ça, parce que je me dis
think about it, because I tell myself
« Ah, d'accord, donc c'est ainsi que je vais écrire ce chapitre quand je reviendrai. »
"Ah, okay, so that's how I'm going to write this chapter when I come back."
Quelque chose comme ça.
Something like that.
Mais, en plus,
But, moreover,
je ne veux vraiment pas être pleine de pensées quand je sors.
I really don't want to be full of thoughts when I go out.
Je laisse ce que ce soit qui se trouve dans ma tête.
I let whatever is in my head be.
J'essaie de conduire le chemin.
I'm trying to drive the way.
Et pour moi, je me sens un peu la même.
And for me, I feel a bit the same.
Donc, ce n'est pas la méditation, mais ça se sent,
So, it's not meditation, but it feels like it.
mais tu es toujours en train de penser.
but you are always thinking.
Tu ne penses pas...
You don't think...
Tu n'es pas supposé penser à la méditation.
You are not supposed to think about meditation.
Mais l'essentiel est venu.
But the essential has come.
Je trouve la solution et l'esprit essentiel.
I find the solution and the essential spirit.
Pour moi, quand je sors, je ne sais pas...
For me, when I go out, I don't know...
Je suis probablement plus...
I am probably more...
Dans mon esprit, quand je sors,
In my mind, when I go out,
c'est comme « Je vais faire 1K ou 2K,
it's like "I'm going to do 1K or 2K,"
et je vais faire cet espace. »
"and I am going to make this space."
Je suis un peu comme ça.
I am a bit like that.
Donc, je me concentre sur l'objectif.
So, I focus on the goal.
Mais puis, une fois que j'ai commencé,
But then, once I started,
je suis en train d'amener mon esprit.
I am in the process of bringing my mind.
Mais ensuite, l'essentiel et la solution
But then, the essential and the solution.
que j'étais en train de chercher
that I was looking for
sont venus.
came.
C'est ce que je trouve.
That's what I find.
Oui.
Yes.
Et quand la respiration...
And when the breathing...
Quand tu oublies la respiration
When you forget to breathe
et que tu fais juste les étapes
and that you just do the steps
dans le pôle,
in the pole,
il y a des choses vraiment intéressantes qui se passent
There are really interesting things happening.
dans les pensées.
in thoughts.
C'est-à-dire que tu peux revenir dans le temps
That is to say, you can go back in time.
et puis aussi dans le futur.
and also in the future.
Quelque chose que tu souhaites.
Something you wish for.
Quelque chose comme ça.
Something like that.
C'est très intéressant.
It's very interesting.
J'y suis d'accord.
I agree.
Et pour toi,
And for you,
si tu ne sors pas, qu'est-ce qui se passe ?
If you don't go out, what happens?
Est-ce que tu sens que c'est une passion,
Do you feel that it's a passion?
une obligation, un devoir de s'éloigner ?
An obligation, a duty to distance oneself?
Ou...
Or...
Je dois s'éloigner.
I must move away.
Je me sens vraiment mal
I feel really bad.
quand je ne sors pas.
when I don't go out.
J'ai l'impression que mon corps est fermé,
I feel like my body is closed.
que ma tête est fermée.
that my mind is closed.
J'ai l'impression que j'ai vraiment besoin
I feel like I really need.
d'être dans le milieu de l'eau.
to be in the middle of the water.
Et c'est pourquoi
And that is why
j'ai toujours,
I always have,
honnêtement, un costume de sauvetage.
Honestly, a rescue suit.
Et tu as des aventures.
And you have adventures.
Si tu prends un costume de sauvetage avec toi,
If you take a rescue suit with you,
des choses se passent.
Things are happening.
J'étais à un festival d'écriture
I was at a writing festival.
près de Norfolk,
near Norfolk,
en Bretagne.
in Brittany.
Et dans la ligne d'enregistrement
And in the registration line
où tu signes les livres,
where you sign the books,
il y avait deux femmes dans la ligne
There were two women in line.
et elles m'ont dit
and they told me
« Debra, nous voyons un lac
"Debra, we see a lake."
dans notre terrain
in our field
et c'est presque prêt.
and it's almost ready.
La prochaine fois que tu reviendras,
The next time you come back,
prends ton costume de sauvetage
put on your rescue suit
parce que tu viendras
because you will come
pour s'éloigner. »
"to get away."
Donc, tu sais,
So, you know,
tu peux toujours trouver
you can always find
quelque chose
something
pour s'éloigner
to move away
si tu en veux assez.
if you want enough of it.
Donc, pour toi,
So, for you,
c'est vraiment
it's really
une compulsion,
a compulsion,
une obligation
an obligation
et une passion,
and a passion,
tout ça.
all of that.
C'est comme...
It's like...
C'est comme si c'était
It's as if it were.
ce que mon corps a besoin de faire.
what my body needs to do.
Et as-tu jamais
And have you ever
pensé à vivre
thought about living
près de la mer ?
near the sea?
Tu sais,
You know,
parce que Londres et Paris,
because London and Paris,
c'est une ville pure,
it's a pure city,
une vie très urbaine,
a very urban life,
où un lac de sauvetage
where a rescue lake
est évidemment
is obviously
une alternative.
an alternative.
Mais as-tu jamais pensé
But have you ever thought
à aller à Nice ?
to go to Nice?
Parce que je sais
Because I know
que tu as passé
that you spent
du temps à Nice.
time in Nice.
Je pense souvent
I often think
à vivre près de la mer.
to live near the sea.
Je rêve de ça.
I dream of that.
Et, tu sais,
And, you know,
dans ma tête,
in my head,
j'ai déjà
I already have.
refait
redone
le lieu
the place
où je vais vivre
where I will live
près de la mer
near the sea
et tout ça.
and all that.
Mais, tu sais,
But, you know,
au final,
in the end,
je ne pense pas
I don’t think so.
que c'est pour moi.
What it means to me.
Je pense que
I think that
j'ai besoin
I need.
de la ville
of the city
pour
for
le...
the...
le public,
the public,
la culture,
culture,
la diversité,
diversity,
et puis,
and then,
aussi,
also,
de passer
to pass
beaucoup de temps
a lot of time
près de la mer
near the sea
et dans la mer.
and in the sea.
Donc,
So,
Cape Town
Cape Town
est une ville
is a city
qui est
who is
une belle ville.
a beautiful city.
Cape Town.
Cape Town.
Donc,
So,
mon père
my father
est mort
is dead
il y a deux ans
two years ago
et il est retourné
and he returned
en Afrique du Sud
in South Africa
en 1994.
in 1994.
Et,
And,
j'aime
I love.
courir
to run
dans
in
les pôles
the poles
d'eau
of water
dans
in
la baie
the bay
de Cork
of Cork
parce que,
because,
vous savez,
you know,
l'Atlantique
the Atlantic
est très froid.
is very cold.
Les pingouins
The penguins
aiment
love
l'Atlantique.
the Atlantic.
Mais,
But,
les pôles d'eau
the water poles
dans
in
la baie
the bay
de Cork
from Cork
sont
are
incroyables
incredible
parce que
because
les deux
the two
océans,
oceans,
l'Atlantique
the Atlantic
et l'océan Indien,
and the Indian Ocean,
ont
have
mélangé.
mixed.
Donc,
So,
ces pôles
these poles
s'éclatent
bursting
et ce
and this
sens incroyable
incredible sense
de la
of the
mousse
mousse
et des
and some
graines
seeds
est
is
quelque chose
something
que j'aime
that I love
vraiment.
really.
Donc,
So,
j'aime
I love.
courir
to run
dans
in
ces pôles.
these poles.
Mais,
But,
je pense
I think
que
what
tout le monde
everyone
va
go
courir
to run
dans
in
les pôles d'eau
water poles
dans
in
l'Atlantique.
the Atlantic.
Vous devez avoir
You must have
quelque chose
something
à attendre
to wait
pour
for
Charlotte
Charlotte
quand
when
elle
she
sera
will be
plus
more
âgée.
aged.
Donc,
So,
je regarde
I watch
ces
these
incroyables
incredible
femmes
women
qui
who
brisent
break
l'aise
ease
avec
with
les pôles.
the poles.
Et,
And,
nous
we
commençons
let's begin
parce que
because
nous sommes
we are
très heureux
very happy
aujourd'hui.
today.
Deborah a
Deborah has
une petite
a little
histoire
history
qu'elle
that she
voudrait
would like
partager
share
avec
with
nous.
us.
Pourquoi
Why
ne
ne
je
I
ne
not
pas
not
faire
to do / to make
cela ?
that?
Je vais
I am going
lire
to read
quelques
some
paragraphes
paragraphs
d'une
of one
pièce
piece
qui a été
who has been
commissionnée
commissioned
par
by
Whitstable
Whitstable
Biennale.
Biennial.
Whitstable
Whitstable
est
is
une
one
pièce
piece
dans
in
la
the
mer
sea
de
of
Bretagne.
Brittany.
C'est
It is
célèbre
famous
pour
for
les
the
oiseaux
birds
et
and
les
the
terres
lands
de
of
l'eau.
The water.
Ils
They
ont
have
un
one
festival
festival
il y a
there is/there are
deux ans
two years
à
to
l'École
The School
des
"of the"
Oiseaux
Birds
de
of
la
the
Nouvelle
News
Écosse
Scotland
et
and
ils ont
they have
fait
made
des
some
réunions
meetings
avec
with
les
the
artistes
artists
de
of
l'École
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of the
Oiseaux
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of
l'École
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l'École
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of
la
the
Nouvelle Écosse,
Nova Scotia,
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at the
4e
4th
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l'Institut
the Institute
de
of
l'École
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la
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Écosse
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I have measured out my life swimming in various rivers and lakes
I have measured out my life swimming in various rivers and lakes.
with dragonflies and humble ducks.
avec des libellules et des canards modestes.
Of all the oceans in which I have swum,
Of all the oceans in which I have swum,
including the Atlantic and Indian oceans,
including the Atlantic and Indian Oceans,
the most inspiring for writing
the most inspiring for writing
was the Bay of Angels in Nice,
was the Bay of Angels in Nice,
the fifth biggest city in France.
the fifth largest city in France.
I have never glimpsed one single fish
I have never caught a glimpse of a single fish.
or felt it flick my feet in that stretch of water
or felt it flick my feet in that stretch of water
and often wonder why.
et se demande souvent pourquoi.
Swimming far out from shore that summer,
Swimming far out from shore that summer,
then turning around to face the town,
then turning around to face the town,
it seemed to me that the rooftops were covered in snow.
It seemed to me that the rooftops were covered in snow.
At that moment,
At that moment,
I decided to write a novel called Swimming Home,
I decided to write a novel called Swimming Home.
set in the French Riviera.
set in the French Riviera.
In Swimming Home,
In Swimming Home,
there is a story about a man
There is a story about a man.
who is a fragile young woman
who is a fragile young woman
with fierce intelligence and long red hair.
avec une intelligence féroce et de longs cheveux roux.
Her mother is a cleaner
Her mother is a cleaner.
who writes a poem.
who writes a poem.
Maybe she's happy, maybe she's not.
Maybe she's happy, maybe she's not.
You will find her collecting pebbles
You will find her collecting pebbles.
on the beach of the Bay of Angels
on the beach of the Bay of Angels
in a summer dress.
in a summer dress.
The sky is always blue
The sky is always blue.
and the rooftops of the houses
et les toits des maisons
are carpeted in the seagulls
sont recouverts de mouettes
that I first mistook for snow.
that I first mistook for snow.
I have measured out my life
I have measured out my life.
with the sea urchins
with the sea urchins
that have pierced my feet with their spines.
that have pierced my feet with their thorns.
I have now lost my fear of sea urchins.
I have now lost my fear of sea urchins.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
There are other fears I would prefer to lose.
There are other fears I would prefer to lose.
I know they have to survive
I know they have to survive.
in the wilderness of the ocean.
in the wilderness of the ocean.
Their cousins are the sea star
Their cousins are the starfish.
and they can grow for centuries.
and they can grow for centuries.
There are sea urchins
There are sea urchins.
that are almost immortal,
that are almost immortal,
older than the mortal mothers
older than the mortal mothers
and their mortal children,
et leurs enfants mortels,
fleeing from wars
fleeing from wars
on boats that sometimes sink.
on boats that sometimes sink.
Life is only worth living
Life is only worth living.
because we hope it will get better
because we hope it will get better
and we'll all get home safely.
and we'll all get home safely.
If we were to measure out
If we were to measure out
the love of mothers for their children
the love of mothers for their children
with coffee spoons,
with coffee spoons,
there would never be enough spoons
there would never be enough spoons
for that kind of love.
for that kind of love.
Wow.
Wow.
Thank you so much, Deborah.
Thank you so much, Deborah.
I have a few more questions.
I have a few more questions.
Oh, okay.
Oh, d'accord.
Can I ask you one or two more questions
Can I ask you one or two more questions?
and then we go for a swim?
and then we go for a swim?
Just to know about the writer's block
Just to know about the writer's block.
and the collaboration
and the collaboration
between writing and swimming.
between writing and swimming.
Does it help?
Does it help?
Is it something that's really
Is it something that's really
joined together?
joined together?
Yes, absolutely joined together.
Yes, absolutely joined together.
You know,
You know,
I don't believe in writer's block.
I don't believe in writer's block.
I'm quite unfashionable in that sense.
I'm quite unfashionable in that sense.
I think the block
I think the block.
is when the unconscious is blocked,
is when the unconscious is blocked,
when something has closed
when something has closed
and that you can't open it
et que vous ne pouvez pas l'ouvrir
to find the language
to find the language
for something that you're exploring.
pour quelque chose que vous explorez.
So swimming is a way
So swimming is a way
of really kind of opening the body
of really kind of opening the body
and opening the mind.
and opening the mind.
And so the two work together.
And so the two work together.
I don't think,
I don't think,
I don't think I could write so easily
I don't think I could write so easily.
without swimming.
sans nager.
And for which book
And for which book?
did you swim the most?
Did you swim the most?
Sorry, it's a weird question.
Désolé, c'est une question bizarre.
No, I love the question.
No, I love the question.
Maybe for my novel Hot Milk.
Peut-être pour mon roman Hot Milk.
Okay.
Okay.
Because that is set
Parce que c'est établi.
in the south of Spain,
in the south of Spain,
in Almeria.
in Almeria.
And, you know,
And, you know,
I've taken my family,
I've taken my family,
my children have swum there
My children have swum there.
since they were little.
since they were little.
They were babies.
They were babies.
But when I was writing Hot Milk,
Mais quand j'écrivais Hot Milk,
I was in that ocean
I was in that ocean.
every single day.
every single day.
There were medus in the sea.
There were jellyfish in the sea.
Jellyfish.
Jellyfish.
And I got really badly stung
And I got really badly stung.
by the medus.
by the medus.
Okay.
Okay.
And that somehow
Et que d'une manière ou d'une autre.
stung me into the book,
stung me into the book,
into the writing of the book.
into the writing of the book.
And it's the opening of the book.
And it's the opening of the book.
It is the opening of the book.
It is the opening of the book.
Yeah, so that's,
Yeah, so that's,
so for that book,
so for that book,
I did a lot of swimming.
I did a lot of swimming.
And the book you,
And the book you,
for which you didn't swim as much?
for which you didn't swim as much?
I don't think I can answer that
Je ne pense pas pouvoir répondre à cela.
because really I try and swim every day.
Because really I try to swim every day.
Okay.
Okay.
I have three last questions for you.
I have three last questions for you.
Very short.
Very short.
Just three.
Juste trois.
But the very short is just
But the very short is just
my three usual questions
my three usual questions
I'm asking my guests.
I'm asking my guests.
So first one is,
So the first one is,
when was the last time
when was the last time
you went for a swim?
Did you go for a swim?
Oh, and where and how?
Oh, et où et comment ?
So my last swim
So my last swim
before I swim today,
before I swim today,
was in the south of France,
was in the south of France,
in Hyères.
in Hyères.
Okay.
Okay.
And I was there
And I was there.
to do some writing
to do some writing
for a play.
pour une pièce de théâtre.
Okay.
Okay.
For a theater in Zurich.
For a theater in Zurich.
Okay.
Okay.
And to swim.
Et nager.
And I was there for a few days.
And I was there for a few days.
The water was beautifully cold.
The water was beautifully cold.
And I enjoyed that swim.
And I enjoyed that swim.
You had to go,
You had to go,
it was quite shallow.
It was quite shallow.
You had to walk out
You had to walk out.
quite a long way.
assez loin.
There's no tide.
Il n'y a pas de marée.
To get, yeah,
To get, yeah,
exactly.
exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Exactly.
To get, you know,
To get, you know,
in deeper.
in deeper.
When my children were young,
When my children were young,
we used to have
we used to have
handstand competitions.
handstand competitions.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
Where we took it
Où nous l'avons pris.
very seriously.
very seriously.
Okay.
Okay.
We would all do handstands
We would all do handstands.
in the water.
in the water.
And, you know,
And, you know,
feet had to be up,
feet had to be up,
toes had to be pointed,
toes had to be pointed,
you had to be steady,
you had to be steady,
and we marked them
and we marked them
out of 10.
out of 10.
Ah.
Ah.
It made us laugh a lot.
It made us laugh a lot.
And I was thinking
And I was thinking
that this was very good.
that this was very good.
For the handstand competition.
For the handstand competition.
Very good for the handstands.
Very good for handstands.
That was my last,
That was my last.
my last swim.
my last swim.
And the water was cold?
And the water was cold?
The water was cold.
The water was cold.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In a refreshing way.
In a refreshing way.
I liked it a lot.
I liked it a lot.
And not so many waves,
And not so many waves,
not so many,
not so many,
no.
no.
No waves,
No waves,
still.
encore.
And your next swim
And your next swim
is going to be,
is going to be,
it's going to be now.
It's going to be now.
Tell me where
Tell me where.
my next swim is.
ma prochaine nage est.
It's going to be
It's going to be
in the
in the
Salle des Nageurs.
Swimmers' Room.
And I can't wait.
Et j'ai hâte.
I'm sitting here
I'm sitting here.
with you, Charlotte.
with you, Charlotte.
I have my swimming costume
I have my swimsuit.
under my dress.
under my dress.
Already?
Already?
You're going to shoot soon.
You're going to shoot soon.
I am really excited.
I am really excited.
I think we're going to go
I think we're going to go.
and see the,
et voir le,
because last time
because last time
we went with Fanny,
we went with Fanny,
it was very cold
it was very cold
and very rough that day.
and very rough that day.
It was in November.
It was in November.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
So the water was
So the water was
probably 12 or 13
probablement 12 ou 13
and there was many waves.
and there were many waves.
So we went to the,
So we went to the,
there's a museum
there's a museum
very close to the
very close to the
Cercle,
Circle,
how do you say,
how do you say,
Undersea Museum.
Undersea Museum.
So there's eight statues.
So there are eight statues.
You can,
You can,
it's very,
it's very,
not very deep.
not very deep.
You just have to,
You just have to,
you know,
you know,
just a little bit of a plunge.
just a little bit of a plunge.
So I think we're going to go there
So I think we're going to go there.
to see it.
to see it.
To see the new one,
To see the new one,
which I haven't seen,
which I haven't seen,
is an octopus
is an octopus
that they've put a week ago,
that they put a week ago,
a new statue.
a new statue.
No way, I can't wait.
No way, I can't wait.
So we're going to do that.
So we're going to do that.
Okay.
Okay.
Are we ready to go?
Are we ready to go?
Thank you so much, Deborah.
Thank you so much, Deborah.
And thank you everyone
And thank you everyone.
for listening.
for listening.
Thank you, Charlotte.
Thank you, Charlotte.
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