Folge 50: Embodied Masculine

Herzlich willkommen bei Mannsein, dem Podcast für erwachte Männer in einer komplexen Welt.

Warm welcome to Mannsein, the podcast for awakened men in a complex world.

Ich bin jetzt im Jahr 2020, ich mache nicht so viele Anrufe, aber ich hole das Beste aus.

I am now in the year 2020, I don't make that many calls, but I'm making the best of it.

Ich habe Nils und Temer gefunden, beide aus den Niederlanden.

I found Nils and Temer, both from the Netherlands.

Ich kenne Nils aus der Zirkling-Community, wir haben uns im letzten Jahr oder in den letzten Jahren getroffen.

I know Nils from the Zirkling community; we met last year or in the past few years.

Ich erinnere mich genau darauf, dass ich auch deine Arbeit folge und du hast ein Buch geschrieben, das ich gesehen habe.

I remember exactly that I also follow your work and you have written a book that I have seen.

Vielleicht können wir auch darüber sprechen.

Maybe we can talk about that too.

Aber es gab etwas, was mich aufmerksam hat, dass du einen Online-Mens-Kurs startest,

But there was something that caught my attention, that you are starting an online men's course.

der sich um das Mänslein befindet.

the one that is with the little man.

Und?

And?

Und da dachte ich mir, ah, wow, das ist etwas, worüber ich mehr wissen möchte.

And then I thought to myself, ah, wow, this is something I want to know more about.

Und vielleicht wollen auch mehr Leute darüber wissen.

And maybe more people want to know about it.

Also, willkommen.

Well, welcome.

Danke.

Thank you.

Show, mannssein.ch.

Show, mannssein.ch.

Und ja, lass uns mit dir anfangen.

And yes, let's start with you.

Sag mir, warum du das machst, woher kommst du, wer bist du?

Tell me why you are doing this, where you come from, who you are?

Also, ich bin Nils, also das macht der andere Typ Temer, offensichtlich.

Well, I'm Nils, so the other guy is obviously Temer.

Und ja, wir haben uns in diesem Projekt, diesem Online-Training-Programm für Männer,

And yes, we focused on this project, this online training program for men,

gerade, weil wir beide für diesen Art von Arbeit gebeten haben, für einen langen Zeitraum.

Just because both of us have been asked for this kind of work for a long time.

Und wir konnten uns nicht erinnern, dass wir uns nicht erinnern, dass wir uns nicht erinnern, dass wir uns nicht erinnern, dass wir uns nicht erinnern.

And we could not remember that we did not remember that we did not remember that we did not remember that we did not remember.

Wir haben das nicht erkannt.

We did not realize that.

or searching for

or searching for

places where

places where

men could come together.

men could come together.

We couldn't really find any.

We couldn't really find any.

So we started our own

So we started our own.

men's group two years back

men's group two years ago

and then

and then

a lot of stuff

a lot of stuff

came up for us

came up for us

and a lot of deepening happened in our own process

and a lot of deepening happened in our own process

particularly around

insbesondere rund um

not having had

not having had

healthy male role models

gesunde männliche Vorbilder

in our own lives and

in unserem eigenen Leben und

also currently not really knowing where

also currently not really knowing where

to find them but

to find them but

feeling a deep longing actually to

feeling a deep longing actually to

have them.

have them.

And then

And then

decided to birth this training

decided to give birth to this training

kind of to step

sort of to step

forward ourselves as

present ourselves as

these healthy

these healthy

male role models

male role models

preposterous as it may sound but that's

preposterous as it may sound but that's

actually what we're aiming for, to create a

Actually, what we're aiming for is to create a

container for men

container for men

to come together in a conscious

to come together in a conscious

and safe way in order to

und sicheren Weg, um zu

explore what it means

explore what it means

to be a man these days

to be a man these days

and how to live a

and how to live a

purposeful, meaningful life

purposeful, meaningful life

that can be of service to

that can be of service to

a better world.

a better world.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In a nutshell. And I'm not sure

In einer nutshell. Und ich bin mir nicht sicher.

if Tamara has anything to add to that

if Tamara has anything to add to that

but that's my sort of

but that's my kind of

elevator pitch of

elevator pitch of

essentially a two

essentially a two

year process

year process

that culminated in this

that culminated in this

training.

training.

Yeah, and I think also what I can

Yeah, and I think also what I can

add to that is like in my own

add to that is like in my own

process of

process of

personal and spiritual development

personal und spirituelle Entwicklung

it was just something that

it was just something that

slowly

slowly

started becoming

begann zu werden

clear that

clear that

especially because of my

especially because of my

connection for example

connection for example

to my father or the lack of connection

to my father or the lack of connection

and other men

und andere Männer

around me, I started

um mich herum, begann ich

feeling that there was a part

feeling that there was a part

missing basically and it was

fehlt im Grunde und es war

only until

nur bis

Nils and Ben

Nils und Ben

and I started to

und ich begann zu

walk this path of development

walk this path of development

together that I

together that I

felt like, hey man

fühlte sich an wie, hey Mann

it is really a huge

It is really a huge.

support and

Support and

an opportunity

an opportunity

for maybe even exponential

for maybe even exponential

growth to do this stuff

Wachstum, um diese Dinge zu tun.

together with other guys

together with other guys

and

and

it made me realize which

It made me realize which

parts also in my

Teile auch in meinem

self I had sort of

self I had sort of

pushed away

pushed away

in terms of relating to

in Bezug auf die Beziehung zu

other men

other men

it helped me see that

it helped me see that

men are for example not

Men are not, for example,

just competitors but also

just competitors but also

very deep

very deep

yeah

yeah

brothers

brothers

basically

basically

instead of just friends that you

statt nur Freunde, dass du

go out with for a beer or

go out for a beer with

things like that

things like that

and

and

you know

you know

and

and

because I saw that

weil ich das gesehen habe

there was such a big gift in that

there was such a big gift in that

I thought okay

I thought okay.

we need to start spreading this

We need to start spreading this.

vibe to other men

vibe to other men

that was the start of these men's circles

That was the start of these men's circles.

and then

and then

I think we created

I think we created

this training also

this training also

maybe in hindsight from the idea that

maybe in hindsight from the idea that

this is really something that

this is really something that

I would have wanted to do

I would have wanted to do.

like five or six years ago

like five or six years ago

so it's

so it's

almost something that

almost something that

yeah

yeah

that we've built for ourselves

that we've built for ourselves

five six years ago

five six years ago

something like that

so etwas wie das

yeah

yeah

we recorded the podcast

We recorded the podcast.

ourselves earlier today

unsere selbst heute früher

and then this saying came up

and then this saying came up

which I always really like

which I always really like

is you teach best what you need to learn most

You teach best what you need to learn most.

which I think

was ich denke

yeah it's such a beautiful

Yeah, it's so beautiful.

so much depth in that saying

so much depth in that saying

and I really also believe

and I really also believe

is that if

is that if

you create something that

you create something that

that you feel the need for yourself

that you feel the need for yourself

then it's

Then it's

then you're in line with integrity

Then you're in line with integrity.

and with purpose

und mit Absicht

that's how I feel

So fühle ich mich.

that brings me again to

that brings me back to

I was a bit

I was a bit

like

like

continuing the

continuing the

image of the role model

image of the role model

I want to speak to

I want to speak to

this role model again

dieses Vorbild wieder

like

like

you spoke about your father

you spoke about your father

and maybe everybody has

and maybe everybody has

or every man has

or every man has

a different role model

a different role model

maybe also women have

maybe women also have

their role models

their role models

but

but

is it at the end

Is it at the end?

not just

not only

that we

that we

need to become

müssen werden

our own role models

unsere eigenen Vorbilder

so

so

what you say

what you say

teach what you have to learn

teach what you have to learn

so

so

I'm just

Ich bin gerade.

doing

doing

I want to become that person

I want to become that person.

that I'm admiring

that I'm admiring

but

but

that

that

that person doesn't exist out there

that person doesn't exist out there

so I have to become that person

so I have to become that person

yeah

yeah

totally

totally

yeah

yeah

exactly

exactly

I mean I

I mean I

maybe it's a bit

maybe it's a bit

cynical view or something

cynical view or something

but I think I only had examples

but I think I only had examples

of how I didn't want to be

of how I didn't want to be

growing up

growing up

and then at some point

und dann irgendwann

yeah you have to flip the switch

Yeah, you have to flip the switch.

and think like okay but how

und denkst dir, okay, aber wie

do I want to be you know

Do I want to be, you know?

but then also the question came up

but then also the question arose

like okay but what does it then mean

like okay but what does it then mean

to be a man

to be a man

and

and

well nowadays

well nowadays

I think there

Ich denke dort.

yeah there's a lot of shifts

Ja, es gibt viele Veränderungen.

happening in that

happening in that

and that

and that

there's also a lot of confusion there

there's also a lot of confusion there

yeah

yeah

for

for

a good reason

a good reason

maybe but

vielleicht aber

yeah there's also a shift going on

Yeah, there's also a shift happening.

and

and

in a good way

in a good way

I think

Ich denke.

yeah

yes

role models

role models

yeah I think it's

ja, ich denke es ist

I think it's a very real

I think it's very real.

lack of

lack of

and I

and I

it's difficult to speak

It's difficult to speak.

for other men

für andere Männer

or who are they

or who are they

but like I dare say

but as I dare say

there is a

there is a

this is a

this is a

this is a widespread

this is a widespread

longing

longing

in men

in men

to be met

to be met

but to be met

aber um getroffen zu werden

in a sort of conscious

in a sort of conscious

authentic

authentic

you know

you know

way with integrity

way with integrity

with

with

yeah in brotherhood

yeah in brotherhood

again I don't really

wieder kann ich wirklich nicht

brotherhood is a bit of a strange word

Brotherhood is a bit of a strange word.

but

but

you know

you know

I think you get the gist of it

Ich glaube, du verstehst den Sinn davon.

to be

to be

to be consciously met

to be consciously encountered

by other men

von anderen Männern

and there is

and there is

something

etwas

yeah

yeah

quite primordial

quite primordial

that

that

in

in

at least in me

at least in me

and I think

und ich denke

I might also be speaking for

I might also be speaking for

I think I'm also speaking for

I think I'm also speaking for

Tamara and Ben

Tamara und Ben

that we felt

that we felt

all three of us

alle drei von uns

met in parts of ourselves

met in parts of ourselves

almost

almost

we didn't even know

we didn't even know

we had

we had

we had those parts

we had those parts

or we

or we

had those longings

had those longings

that were

that were

that were met

that were met

through

durch

you know

you know

being in conscious connection

being in conscious connection

and

and

with

with

with men

with men

and

and

what

what

what we keep seeing

what we keep seeing

in these circles

in diesen Kreisen

that we gave

that we gave

is that for

Is that for?

quite

quite

a significant number of men

a significant number of men

actually

actually

just being in a circle

just being in a circle

with other men

mit anderen Männern

is already

is already

some sort

some sort

some sort of

some kind of

seismic shift

seismic shift

you know

you know

like

like

they've never

they've never

it's like

es ist wie

first time in my life

first time in my life

that I'm

that I'm

that I'm doing this

that I'm doing this

and then

and then

and you're talking

und du redest

30 something

30 irgendwas

40 something

40 etwas

year old men

year-old men

and

and

yeah

yes

that's

das ist

that's telling

das ist aufschlussreich

as far as I'm concerned

as far as I'm concerned

yeah

yeah

and beautiful to see

and beautiful to see

like

like

when a guy

when a guy

yeah

yeah

sees

sees

what happens

what happens

when he's in a group of

when he's in a group of

group of

Gruppe von

you know

you know

other men

other men

and then

and then

people start opening up

People start opening up.

or sharing

or sharing

or

or

yeah

yeah

just putting away their mask

just putting away their mask

you know

you know

and becoming real

und real werden

and raw

und roh

and

and

I don't know

Ich weiß nicht.

could be sadness

could be sadness

you know

you know

it could be

it could be

grief

grief

it could be anger

it could be anger

or just not knowing

oder einfach nicht wissen

and

and

yeah

yes

the sort of

the kind of

yeah

yeah

amazement

Amazement

that

that

fills these

füllt diese

these guys

diese Typen

is

is

is beautiful to see

is beautiful to see

you know

you know

that's

that's

yeah

yeah

I think that's the power

I think that's the power.

of

of

that kind of work

that kind of work

but I'm also

aber ich bin auch

I'm also

Ich auch.

I want to be clear

I want to be clear.

about like

über wie

that I'm not

that I'm not

I haven't figured out

Ich habe es nicht herausgefunden.

this game

dieses Spiel

or how it works

or how it works

like I'm also

like I also am

in the inquiry

in the inquiry

myself

myself

it's like

es ist wie

why is this so important

Why is this so important?

for men

for men

it seems

it seems

I know it's important

I know it's important.

for me somehow

for me somehow

but also why

aber auch warum

like what is

wie was ist

what is

was ist

what is the

was ist das

the magic

the magic

that happens

that happens

when

when

when men come together

when men come together

with other men

mit anderen Männern

and

and

and then you know

und dann weißt du

I'm

Ich bin

I'm tempted to

Ich bin versucht zu

to spin a lot of big stories

to spin a lot of big stories

around

around

tribes

tribes

and you know

and you know

traditional cultures

traditional cultures

and the lack of all that

and the lack of all that

in the western world

in the western world

and

and

might all be true

might all be true

but there's also

aber es gibt auch

a genuine

a genuine

I'm also in the unknown

Ich bin auch im Unbekannten.

and just

and just

uh

uh

exploring myself

exploring myself

and

and

there seems to be

there seems to be

a common thread

a common thread

also in that

also in that

beyond

beyond

all

all

all borders

alle Grenzen

also the cultures

also the cultures

I mean it's in

I mean it's in

I've lived in

Ich habe in gelebt.

in

in

in Spain for two years

in Spanien für zwei Jahre

I mean it's the same there

I mean it's the same there.

it's the same in the Netherlands

It's the same in the Netherlands.

it might be the same

Es könnte das Gleiche sein.

in Scandinavia

in Scandinavia

or

or

in Russia

in Russland

so there's something

so there's something

that connects

that connects

men

men

as

as

as you said

as you said

like

like

a

a

brotherhood

brotherhood

and

and

there is

there is

a

a

total diversity

gesamt Vielfalt

as well

as well

yeah

yeah

so

so

because also

because also

the role model

the role model

will be

will be

for

for

each man

each man

a totally different

a totally different

yeah

yeah

somebody admire

jemand bewundern

maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger

maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger

uh

uh

and

and

I happen to

I happen to

admire him

bewundere ihn

yeah

yeah

and another

und ein weiteres

another

another

admires

admires

RuPaul

RuPaul

for example

for example

yeah

yeah

for his

für sein

nice

nice

walk

walk

or whatever

oder was auch immer

yeah

yeah

and

and

so

so

the mythic

the mythic

masculine

masculine

they explore

they explore

masculinity

masculinity

or

or

what it means

what it means

to be a man

to be a man

through this

durch dies

mythical

mythical

lens

lens

and that for me

und das für mich

is a beautiful

is beautiful

lens

lens

it's quite

it's quite

it's ancient

Es ist antik.

also like

also like

you know

you know

these

these

these ancient

these ancient

fairy tales

fairy tales

and

and

poetry

poetry

and the

and the

celts

Celts

and

and

you know

you know

it evokes a lot

it evokes a lot

of imagination

of imagination

in me

in me

and I think

und ich denke

I think also

I think so too.

we need

we need

imagination

imagination

right

right

like we

like us

really need

really need

uh

uh

you

you

this is not

das ist nicht

a like

a like

two-dimensional

two-dimensional

phenomenon

phenomenon

this is

dies ist

this has

this has

real deep

wirklich tief

roots

Wurzeln

I feel

Ich fühle mich.

in

in

yeah

yeah

in

in

yeah

yeah

in our

in our

common

gemein

manhood

manhood

yeah

yeah

what it

what it

explains

explains

also

also

through

durch

mythology

mythology

or

or

fairy tales

fairy tales

or

or

whatever

whatever

and

and

is

is

why

Warum

men

men

come

come

together

together

you know

you know

and

and

I was

I was

realizing

realizing

something

etwas

earlier

früher

this week

this week

that

that

um

to

it helps

It helps.

to

to

get some

get some

recognition

recognition

of

of

the journey

the journey

you know

you know

not that

not that

there is

there is

just one

just one

journey

journey

but that

aber das

there is

there is

a way

a way

that

that

you

you

journey

journey

through

through

life

Leben

and that

and that

there are

there are

certain

certain

stages

stages

in that

in that

you know

you know

and that

and that

a lot

a lot

of men

of men

I think

Ich denke

are

are

not even

not even

aware that

aware that

there is

there is

a journey

a journey

or that

or that

there is

there is

a way

a way

to navigate

to navigate

life

Leben

and

and

I love

I love

the

the

the way

the way

that

that

you know

you know

you learn

you learn

how to

how to

discern

discern

like

like

where

wo

am I

am I

on my

on my

path

path

and

and

how

wie

do I

do I

connect

connect

to

to

others

others

on that

on that

and

and

how

how

can

can

others

others

help

help

me

me

along

along

this

this

path

path

you know

you know

help me

help me

get

get

insight

insight

on

on

what's

what's

going

going

on

on

and

and

help

help

me

me

navigate

navigate

because

weil

essentially

essentially

you know

you know

I don't

Ich nicht.

think

think

we're

we're

meant

meant

to do

to do

all

all

these

these

things

Dinge

alone

alone

we're

we're

meant

meant

to

to

yeah

yeah

be

be

together

together

work

work

together

together

and

and

yeah

yeah

stepping

stepping

into

into

these

these

spaces

Spaces

with

with

other

other

men

men

and

and

growing

growing

together

together

and

and

looking

looking

together

together

you know

you know

inwards

inwards

but

but

also

also

outwards

outwards

that

that

helps

helps

to

to

navigate

navigate

that

that

journey

journey

I

I

think

denken

for

for

every

every

individual

individual

and

and

that's

that's

why

warum

it's

it's

so

so

important

important

that

that

you

you

come

come

together

together

in

in

that

that

yeah

yes

I'm

Ich bin

also

also

inclined

inclined

to

to

say

say

like

like

you

you

know

know

loneliness

loneliness

is a

is a

gigantic

gigantic

topic

topic

obviously

obviously

in the

in the

western

Western

world

Welt

and

and

I

I

don't

don't

have

have

statistics

statistics

at

at

hand

hand

here

here

but

but

I

I

wouldn't

would not

be

be

surprised

surprised

if

if

men

men

are

are

lonelier

lonelier

than

than

women

women

you

you

know

know

my

my

sister

sister

for

for

example

example

works

works

in

in

a

a

homeless

homeless

shelter

shelter

now

now

that's

that's

set up

set up

because

weil

of

of

the

the

corona

corona

crisis

crisis

there's

there's

about

about

200

200

homeless

homeless

people

Menschen

coming

coming

in

in

every

every

night

night

and

and

she

she

says

says

there's

there's

like

like

three

three

women

women

and

and

I'm

I'm

not

not

sure

sure

what

was

that's

that is

saying

saying

but

but

there's

there's

something

etwas

about

about

this

dies

lone

lone

wolf

wolf

archetype

archetype

that

that

I

I

always

always

imagine

imagine

a

a

man

man

like

like

and

and

I

I

also

also

see

see

it

it

in

in

the

the

generation

generation

of

of

my

my

parents

parents

my

my

mom

mom

passed

passed

away

away

but

but

my

my

father

father

where

where

some

some

of

of

these

these

guys

guys

you

you

see

see

them

them

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a

little

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become

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dead

dead

skin

skin

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on

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your

face

face

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child

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old

old

man

man

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and

I

I

see

see

that

that

happening

happening

with

with

men

men

more

more

than

than

with

with

women

women

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although

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it is

yeah

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maybe

thin

thin

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the

male

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know

how

how

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connect

connect

or

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know

know

how

how

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to

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I

think

think

if

if

you

you

look

look

at

at

statistics

statistics

on

on

like

like

addiction

addiction

or

or

suicide

suicide

rates

rates

especially

especially

in

in

the

the

US

US

you

you

will

will

find

find

that

that

it's

it's

mostly

mostly

men

men

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and

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it's

a

a

yeah

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thanks

Thank you.

for

for

wrapping

wrapping

it up

it up

for

for

me

me

so

so

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I'm

wondering

wondering

your

your

program

program

is

is

called

called

embodied

embodied

masculine

masculine

and

and

if

if

we

we

will

will

go

go

there

there

soon

bald

but

but

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I'm

still

still

wondering

wondering

are

are

you

you

are

are

you

you

separate

separate

the

the

masculine

masculine

from

from

the male

the male

like

like

the man

the man

or

or

is it

is it

for you

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the same

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that we

talk about

talk about

a lot

a lot

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a couple

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different

levels

levels

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or layers

in that

in that

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you know

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first of all

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you have

the

the

male

male

female

female

you have

you have

a biological

a biological

level

level

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you are

a man

a man

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it is

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it's

the physical

the physical

appearance

appearance

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that you

have

have

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the level

the level

of

of

what I

was ich

would call

würde anrufen

masculine

masculine

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feminine

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which is

more

more

about

about

masculine

masculine

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feminine

energy

Energy

that

that

lives

lives

in every

in every

person

person

and also

and also

around us

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it's

it's

what you

what you

start looking

start looking

at when

at when

you

you

dive

dive

into

into

polarity

polarity

work

work

and

and

then

then

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there is

something

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that

that

I would

I would

call

call

manhood

manhood

which is

which is

more the

more the

sociocultural

sociocultural

construct

construct

of what

of what

it means

it means

to be

to be

a man

a man

in this

in diesem

day and

day and

age

age

and

and

all these

all these

three

three

things

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have a

have a

certain

certain

interplay

interplay

together

together

and

and

what

what

we

we

ultimately

ultimately

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look at

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is

how

how

yeah

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your

masculine

masculine

energy

Energy

or your

or your

masculine

masculine

essence

essence

wants to

wants to

come out

come out

in

in

let's say

let's say

the physical

the physical

form

form

so how

so how

do you

do you

play and

play and

act that

handle that

out

out

into the

into the

world

Welt

which

which

becomes

becomes

ultimately

ultimately

manhood

manhood

so what

so what

is

is

currently

currently

the

the

yeah

yeah

let's say

let's say

the

the

way that

way that

we view

we view

healthy

healthy

masculinity

masculinity

so there's

so there's

different levels

different levels

that you can

that you can

play with

spielen mit

and of

and of

course

course

if you

if you

look at

look at

gender

gender

there are

there are

all types

alle Arten

of gender

of gender

and gender

und Geschlecht

is very

is very

fluid

fluid

these days

these days

so

so

yeah

yeah

we

we

in that

in that

sense

sense

sort of

sort of

keep it

keep it

simple

simple

you know

you know

we look

we look

at

at

people

people

that

that

identify

identify

as

as

male

male

and

and

yeah

yeah

and

and

in

in

that

that

sense

sense

manhood

manhood

is

is

more

more

like

like

okay

okay

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you know

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if you

look at

look at

the

the

paradigms

paradigms

where

wo

we

we

found

found

ourselves

uns selbst

through

durch

history

Geschichte

you

you

could

konnte

say

say

we

we

first

first

had

had

this

dieses

sort

sort

of

of

type

type

sturdy

robust

man

man

that

that

did

did

not

not

have

have

any

any

emotions

emotions

and

and

was

what

just

just

strong

strong

and

and

provide

provide

and

and

all

all

that

that

quite

quite

dominant

dominant

you

you

know

know

and

and

then

then

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it

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moved

into

into

this

dies

sort

sort

of

of

new

new

age

age

man

man

where

wo

a

a

lot

lot

of

of

emotions

emotions

were

were

allowed

allowed

but

but

then

then

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the

complaint

complaint

between

between

quotes

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was

what

okay

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but

but

now

now

men

men

are

are

getting

getting

too

too

soft

soft

you

you

know

know

where

wo

is

is

the

the

man

man

in

in

this

this

so

so

you

you

sort

sort

of

of

move

move

into

into

this

this

new

new

transition

transition

where

wo

you

you

say

say

okay

okay

we

we

need

need

to

to

sort

sort

of

of

acknowledge

acknowledge

that

that

men

men

are

are

men

men

you

you

have

have

to

to

hide

hide

or

or

push

push

away

away

because

weil

of

of

whatever

was auch immer

you

you

know

know

man

man

can

can

be

be

angry

angry

man

man

can

can

be

be

powerful

powerful

man

man

can

can

be

be

dominant

dominant

man

man

can

can

be

be

a

a

leader

Leader

it's

it is

just

just

about

about

the

the

way

way

that

that

you

you

put

put

it

it

out

out

into

into

the

the

world

Welt

which

which

says

says

something

etwas

about

about

if

if

you're

you're

doing

doing

it

it

in

in

a

a

healthy

gesund

or

or

toxic

toxic

way

way

and

and

we're

we're

looking

looking

at

at

what

was

is

is

the

the

healthy

healthy

essence

essence

of

of

that

that

what

was

is

is

the

the

healthy

healthy

output

output

of

of

this

this

masculine

masculine

energy

Energy

that

that

every

every

man

man

has

has

or

or

every

every

person

person

basically

basically

but

but

we're

we're

looking

looking

at

at

men

men

or

or

males

males

every

jeder

person

person

carries

carries

inside

inside

of

of

them

them

so

so

in

in

your

your

program

program

what

was

methods

methods

or

or

how

how

do

do

you

you

follow

follow

that

that

up

up

that

that

men

men

become

become

more

more

healthy

healthy

masculine

masculine

there's

there's

a couple

a couple

stages

stages

I mean

I mean

there's a

there's a

couple

couple

stages

stages

in the

in the

program

program

let's say

let's say

maybe we

maybe we

should start

should start

with that

with that

there's also

there's also

stages you

stages you

can go

can go

through

durch

in life

in life

in general

in general

to look

to look

at those

at those

things

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but in

but in

the

the

program

program

we start

we start

with

with

embodiment

embodiment

so

so

meaning

Meaning

that

that

you know

you know

goes for

geht für

ourselves

uns selbst

but also

aber auch

the men

the men

we see

we see

around us

um uns herum

like most

like most

men are

men are

quite stuck

ziemlich festgefahren

in their

in ihren

head

head

super

super

rational

rational

they are

they are

not

not

connected

connected

to the

to the

rest

rest

of

of

their

their

body

Body

so

so

we

we

first

first

tried

tried

to get

to get

people

people

into

into

their

their

body

Body

again

again

connect

connect

with

with

the

the

rest

rest

of

of

their

their

system

system

find

find

out

out

you

you

know

know

how

how

that

that

works

works

how

how

that

that

feels

feels

and

and

we

we

also

also

find

find

that

that

it's

it is

a

a

necessary

necessary

step

step

to

to

become

become

a bit

a bit

more

more

sensitive

sensitive

to

to

the

the

emotional

emotional

realm

realm

you

you

know

know

instead

instead

of

of

only

only

thinking

thinking

you

you

start

start

to

to

also

also

feel

fühlen

okay

okay

when

when

you

you

open

open

up

up

a bit

a bit

to

to

this

this

world

Welt

of

of

feeling

feeling

and

and

sensation

sensation

you

you

also

also

tap

tap

into

into

a

a

part

part

intuition

intuition

I

I

believe

glauben

so

so

the

the

body

body

and

and

body

body

as

as

a

a

compass

compass

and

and

then

then

we

we

move

move

into

into

like

like

okay

okay

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Was

does

does

masculinity

masculinity

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mean

to

to

you

you

we

we

give

give

sort

sort

of

of

a

a

framework

framework

I

I

mean

mean

these

these

typical

typical

masculine

masculine

traits

traits

are

are

not

not

we

we

are

are

not

not

making

making

them

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up

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you

you

know

know

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quite

well

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described

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so

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we

sort

sort

of

of

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tap

into

into

okay

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what

aspects

aspects

of

of

your

your

masculine

masculine

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you

you

feel

fühlen

are

are

good

good

right

right

now

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what

what

have

have

you

you

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cultivated

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are

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shadow

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sides

sides

and

and

we

we

dive

dive

into

into

those

those

shadow

shadow

sides

sides

so

so

for

for

me

me

for

for

example

example

I

I

was

what

always

always

very

very

you

you

know

know

loving

loving

towards

towards

women

women

I

I

could

konnte

definitely

definitely

take

take

responsibility

responsibility

for my

for my

own

own

health

Gesundheit

for

for

my

my

own

own

work

work

so

so

I

I

had

had

financial

finanziell

stability

stability

I

I

had

had

a

a

course

course

in

in

life

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and

and

direction

direction

but

but

I

I

was

what

totally

totally

allergic

allergic

to

to

very

very

dominant

dominant

men

men

and

and

it

it

led

led

me

me

to

to

become

become

quite

quite

passive

passive

or

or

nice

nice

you

you

know

know

I

I

was

what

the

the

nice

nice

guy

guy

and

and

I

I

had

had

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to

find

find

out

out

that

that

in

in

my

my

shadow

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some

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around

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know

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dominant

males

males

in

in

my

my

youth

youth

and

and

that

that

was

what

an

on

experience

experience

of

of

toxic

toxic

masculinity

maskulinität

for

for

me

me

and

and

I

I

had

had

to

to

learn

learn

and

and

see

see

myself

myself

in

in

that

that

there

there

is

is

a

a

healthy

healthy

version

version

of

of

that

that

because

weil

I

I

put

put

away

away

the

the

dominance

dominance

and

and

leadership

Führung

completely

completely

in

in

myself

myself

because

weil

I

I

thought

thought

it

it

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what

wrong

wrong

because

weil

I

I

only

only

had

had

bad

bad

examples

examples

so

so

I

I

had

had

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to

start

start

looking

looking

at

at

that

that

and

and

think

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like

like

okay

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you

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a

toxic

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way

way

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your

masculine

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power

power

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into

the

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world

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a

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way

way

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with

that

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part

part

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cultivate

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that's

where

wo

my

my

personal

personal

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comes

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wo

my

my

own

own

personal

personal

authority

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and

and

integrity

integrity

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comes

from

from

nowadays

nowadays

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so

I

I

don't

don't

mind

mind

anymore

anymore

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if

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a

man

man

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exerts

his

his

power

power

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into

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the

world

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weil

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know

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part

part

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your

masculine

masculine

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essence

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masculine

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wants

to

to

do

do

that

that

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and

that's

that's

how

how

you

you

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can

bit

bit

by

by

bit

bit

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take

back

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or

or

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less

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and

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how

how

we

we

work

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in

in

the

the

training

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as

as

well

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fact

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very

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a

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and

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man

man

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almost

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tired

of

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speaking

speaking

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