お世話ラジオ☆30回目。色々と雑談です。

はい、お世話ラジオの時間になりました

Yes, it's time for the Care Radio.

テンション低い

Low tension.

ちょっとすいませんね

Excuse me for a moment.

ちょっと今録音しているのが夜中なんでね

I'm currently recording at midnight, you see.

ちょっと時間ができたので

I have a little time now.

番組を録音してみようかという話になりました

We had a discussion about whether to try recording the program.

ちょっと目がこうね

My eyes are a little like this.

トリノロギーで録音するというね

It's about recording with a trinary system, isn't it?

ちょっとお話ですね

Let’s have a little talk.

していきたいと思います

I would like to continue doing.

では、お世話ラジオですね

Well then, it's the care radio, isn't it?

お世話ラジオはお世話に関する情報だったり

The care radio provides information related to care.

お世話する人とされる方に

To the person being cared for and the caregiver.

インタビューを行っていくラジオ番組になっております

It is a radio program that conducts interviews.

はい、ということでございましてね

Yes, that being said.

今日は私、朝川もまた参加させていただいて

Today, I, Asakawa, will also be joining.

ちょっとお話をできればなと思っているんですけど

I was hoping to have a little chat.

最近ね、加藤さんが忙しいからですね

Recently, it's because Mr. Kato has been busy.

いろんなとこに行かれてますね

You've been going to various places, haven't you?

すごくね、僕もほらちょっとドキドキお話をすると

It's amazing, right? When I start to talk a little, my heart races too.

人の良さが伝わってくるんですよね

You can really sense the goodness of the person.

あの人の良さは多分大変だろうなと思うの

I think that person's goodness must be quite difficult.

いろんなこと頼まれたら嫌だと言えるタイプだから

I'm the type who can say no when asked for various things.

きっとね、そんな感じがして

Sure, it feels that way.

もう本当にご苦労様です

Thank you so much for your hard work.

おじいちゃんおばあちゃんも

Grandpa and Grandma too.

すごい加藤さんにはお話されますもんね

You can really talk to Mr. Kato, can't you?

ああ、そう、よかった

Ah, I see, that’s good.

人の良さがね、出てるんですよね

The goodness of the person really comes through.

出ちゃうんでしょうね

It will probably come out, won't it?

ほんとね

That's true.

ぜひそういうふうに

Please do it that way.

僕もなりたいですけど

I want to be that too, but...

なかなかなれないですよね

It's quite difficult to become one, isn't it?

どうもね、口が悪くてですね

Well, you see, I have a bit of a bad mouth.

僕の場合人が悪いもんですから

In my case, it's because I'm a bad person.

申し訳ないですから

I'm sorry.

それぞれの良さを生かしつつ

Making the most of each one's strengths.

悪いとこしか言ってないですから

I’m only pointing out the bad things.

なんか褒めてよ

Say something nice to me.

それぞれの良さを

The goodness of each one.

人が悪いというとこで話が終わっちゃってますからね

The conversation ends up with the conclusion that people are bad.

まあいいんですよ

Well, that's fine.

そんなもんでも全然大丈夫です

That's totally fine too.

ということでお世話ラジオ

So, it's the Caring Radio.

お世話ラジオ

Care Radio

もうだいぶあるんですよね

It's been quite a while now.

そうですね

That's right.

今日で何回目ですか?28回目?

Is this the 28th time today?

結構ありますね

There are quite a few.

28、29

28, 29

続けるっていうのが大変ですよね

It's really tough to keep going, isn't it?

そうですね

That's right.

最近はサボり気味ですけど

I've been slacking off a bit lately.

週に1回本当は収録したかった

I actually wanted to record once a week.

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

この時期はちょっと忙しい

This time of year is a bit busy.

まあこれから師走にかけてですね

Well, as we head into December...

やっぱりもう先生も走るということでございましてね

As I thought, the teacher will also be running.

大変な時期になるわけなんですけどね

It will be a tough time, but...

けどもクリスマス気分ですけどね

But I still feel the Christmas spirit.

あ、ほんと

Ah, really?

よくわかんないなクリスマスって

I don't really understand Christmas.

サントさんやってくると

When Santo-san comes over

俺仏教徒だしな

Well, I'm a Buddhist.

とか思いながら

While thinking that way

そうですね仏教徒ですね

That's right, I am a Buddhist.

私たちは

We are

まあまあそうですね

Well, that's true.

あんまりいい仏教徒でもなんでもないんですけれども

I'm not really a very good Buddhist or anything like that, but...

でも

But

クリスマスでみんな浮かれるってのはね

Everyone gets cheerful at Christmas, you know.

でもそうね

But that's true.

クリスマスがちゃんとこうほら

Christmas is definitely like, look.

普通にお祝いするみたいになったのってのは

It seems like we ended up celebrating it normally.

まあ多分

Well, probably.

まあ僕の子供の頃はどうだったかな

Well, I wonder what my childhood was like.

あったかな

Was there?

ああ確かに

Ah, certainly.

私の子供の時はありまして

When I was a child

もうクリスマスが普通になってました

Christmas has already become normal.

ああ

Ah.

でもほんと日本人って節操ないよね

But really, Japanese people lack principles, don't they?

考えてみるとさ

When you think about it, you know...

だって

Because.

いろないいところを取り入れて

Incorporate the good aspects of various colors.

まあまあいい言い方だよね

It's a pretty nice way to put it.

それはね

That's it.

だからクリスマスが何の日か

So what day is Christmas?

多分知らないで祝ってる人とか

Maybe there are people who are celebrating without knowing.

もう結構まだいらっしゃったりとか

There are still quite a few people here.

もしかすると

Perhaps

あの

Um...

最近ほらハロウィンがね

Recently, you know, it's Halloween.

ハロウィン

Halloween

ハロウィンがあのすごいなんか

Halloween is that amazing something.

あの出てきてますけれども

It's coming out, isn't it?

あの皆さん楽しんでいらっしゃいますけど

Everyone seems to be having a good time, but...

ハロシン

Halo Shin

ハロシンじゃねえよ

It's not Halosin.

ハロウィンが何のお祭りかわからない人も結構いるんじゃないかな

I think there are quite a few people who don't really understand what Halloween is all about.

私ハロウィンはただ仮装するだけのお祭りだと思ってますけど

I think Halloween is just a festival for dressing up.

多分違うんだよそれはね

That's probably not it.

ちょっと

Just a moment.

それが違うんでちょっとね

That's not it, so just a little.

仮装したらお菓子をもらうみたいな

It's like getting candy when you dress up.

いやだからなぜそういうことをするかっていうのを

Well, the reason why you do something like that is...

ぜひ調べていただきたいなと思いますけどね

I would really like you to look into it.

ぜひこれを機会にちょっと調べてもらおう

I hope you take this opportunity to do a little research.

そうですねその方がいいんじゃないですかね

Yes, I think that's better.

まあそういうわけで

Well, for that reason...

日本人ってそういうところは

Japanese people are like that in those aspects.

すごくこう周りのいろんな習慣をね

I really feel the various customs around me.

こう取り入れるってよく言えばね

It's often said that it's good to incorporate it this way.

言えばね

If I say so.

まあでももともとそういうあのいろんなものを取り入れた上で

Well, originally, it's about incorporating various things into it.

出来上がってるのが日本の風習でもあったりはするので

It is also a part of Japanese customs that things are completed in this way.

それこそ中国でね

That's exactly in China.

韓国であったりとか韓国であったりとかから

From South Korea or from South Korea.

いろんな文化を取り入れて

Incorporating various cultures.

日本ってのは反映してきたとも言えますのでね

It can be said that Japan has reflected on it.

西洋医学と東洋医学があるようにですね

Just as there is Western medicine and Eastern medicine.

なんかもう西洋医学にだんだん

Somehow, I'm gradually losing faith in Western medicine.

これ違うんじゃねえのって言い出して

Isn't this wrong?

人もいたりとかしてですね

There were also people present, you know.

いろんな考え方があっても

Even if there are various ways of thinking

それは当然それぞれの考えということになると思いますけど

I think that naturally leads to each person's own perspective.

さて今日はですね

Well, today is...

そういう仲ってどういう仲なんやね

What kind of relationship is that?

仲ですね

It's a friendship.

あのこれもちょっと話はしたんですけど

Well, I did talk about this a little bit too.

ササエビトっていうグループチームはですね

The group team called Sasayebito, you see,

僕らはこれから作ろうと思っていて

We are thinking of creating this from now on.

いろいろと今ああでもない

I'm thinking about various things right now.

こうでもないっていう話を

It's a story that says it shouldn't be like this.

まあ今日もその話があって

Well, today there was that talk again.

あのミロンさんが私の家の方に来ていただいて

Mr. Miron came to my house.

今そういう話をしてるんですけど

I'm talking about that kind of thing right now.

えーという形でちょっとお話をしてるんで

I'm talking in this way, so...

まあその僕らもこう海の苦しみじゃないですけれど

Well, it's not exactly a struggle like the sea for us either.

いろいろこう考えながらやっていくっていう形なので

It's a form of doing things while thinking about various aspects.

そのどういう形で

In what form is that?

ササエビトが成立していくかっていうのは

Whether or not the Sasayebito will come into existence.

これからの部分も大きいんですけれど

The upcoming part is also significant, but...

なんでそのササエビトみたいなものを作ろうと思ったかとか

I wonder why you thought about making something like that Sasabito.

そういう話をちょっと聞きたいなと思ってですね

I wanted to hear a bit about that kind of story.

今田さんがね

Mr. Imada, you see...

ササエビトっていう名称ができたのは

The name "Sasaebito" was created because...

本当に最近なんですけど

It's really recent, but...

その前はコミュニティナースっていう名前だったんですよね

Before that, it was called community nurse, right?

活動の名前ですね

It's the name of the activity, isn't it?

本当に看護の

Really nursing

私は看護師なので

I am a nurse, so...

看護のスキルとかも

Skills in nursing, etc.

心の在り方ですね

It's about the state of the heart.

マインドとかが

Things like the mind.

もっと身近にあれば

If it were closer to me.

早めに気づけたことってたくさんあるよなっていう

There are many things I realized early on.

疑問点から始まっていて

Starting from the point of doubt

そう思ってた時に

At that time, when I thought so.

全国でもそうやって思っている看護師さんだったり

There are nurses across the country who feel that way.

医療職の方とかいらっしゃるんじゃないかなって思った時に

I wondered if there are any medical professionals present.

ネットで調べた時に

When I looked it up online.

コミュニティナースとかっていうのが出てきたので

Since community nurses have emerged,

それを

That.

元に

Back to the original.

活動とかはいろいろやってはきたんですけど

I've been involved in various activities.

どうしてもコミュニティナースだとですね

No matter what, it's about being a community nurse.

看護師じゃないとダメっていう

It has to be a nurse.

そうかそうか

I see, I see.

一応そういうグループの名前で活動されてる方たちがいらっしゃって

There are some people who are active under a name like that.

そこの規約的に行くと

According to the regulations there,

看護師じゃないとそこには入れないよねとかって

"You can't go in there unless you're a nurse, right?"

思ってしまう

I can't help but think.

できないわけじゃないんだけど

It's not that I can't do it, but...

やっぱりちょっと気が引けますよね

After all, it makes me a bit hesitant, doesn't it?

そこのものにね

To that thing over there.

そこのですね

Over there, you see.

元祖というか

It's more like the original.

コミュニティナースを

Community nurse

名乗ってされてる方は

The person who is introducing themselves.

看護師じゃなくてもいいんだよっていう風には

It's okay if you're not a nurse.

おっしゃってはいるものの

Although you say that,

やっぱりその名前に引っ張られてしまうので

After all, I can't help but be pulled in by that name.

ナースって言葉が入ってましたね

The word "nurse" was included, wasn't it?

そうですそうです

That's right, that's right.

地域看護師ですけどね

I'm a community nurse, you know.

なのでもっと身近に

So be closer to me.

そしてやっぱ日本語がいいなっていうのが

And after all, I still think Japanese is good.

思うんですね

I think so.

なるほどね

I see.

じゃあそういうところで

Well then, in that case.

その考えてるところで

In that point of thinking.

我々看護の心という団体を作ったわけですけど

We created an organization called the Spirit of Nursing.

その中の理事の方が

One of the directors among them.

支え人とかどうみたいな話になったんですか

How did the conversation turn to topics like support people?

そうですそうです

That's right, that's right.

大重さんが

Mr. Oosheavy

はい

Yes.

支え人って話になります

It will be about supporters.

いけるんじゃないっていう

I don't think it's going to work.

なるほど

I see.

実際前もちょっと説明はしたんですけど

Actually, I explained it a bit before.

支え人って何をする人たち

What do support people do?

支え人はですね

The supporter is...

地域のお世話役ですね

It's a local caretaker, isn't it?

簡単に言ってしまうと

To put it simply,

うん

Yeah.

っていうところで

At that point.

うーん

Hmm.

お世話といってもいろいろあるじゃないですか

There are various kinds of care and support, aren't there?

あ、そうですね

Ah, I see.

いわゆる健康に関してのお世話役ですね

It's the so-called caregiver concerning health.

で地域

"and region"

なるべくその方が

As much as possible.

寝てないか大丈夫か

Are you okay? Haven't you slept?

脳が少し寝てなかったか今

Is your brain a little sleepy right now?

大丈夫か

Are you okay?

大丈夫です

It's okay.

いや一瞬目が覚めたぞって思ったんですけど

No, I thought for a moment that I had woken up.

そう目が覚めたぞって思ったけど

I thought I had woken up, but...

ちょっと今と3月になりましたけど

It's just turned March now.

でもまだ起きました

But I'm still awake.

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

うん

Yeah.

なので

So

そうですね支え人は

Well, the supporter is...

そうですね

That's right.

logo

logo

支え人としては

As a supporter,

oz

Oz

Wow

Wow

健康相談窓口での相談

Consultation at the health advisory window.

窓口ってなんか言っちゃうと

If you say something at the counter…

何か

Something

このね

This, you know.

机の前に

In front of the desk.

行く穴が開いてるそっからこう話を聞くような感じ Elvis

There's a hole to go through, and it feels like hearing a story from there, Elvis.

ちょっとイメージ

Just a little image.

ですけど

However,

学校にある保健室みたいなものが地域の中にあればいいなと思った取り組みですね。

I thought it would be great if there were something like a health room at school within the community.

実際活動をやって今やってるわけなんですけれど、八千代保健室っていう名前で、今は八千代市と坂本町の2カ所でやっていて、

Currently, I'm engaged in activities under the name Yachiyo Health Room, and I am currently operating in two locations: Yachiyo City and Sakamoto Town.

そこに行ってですね、いろんな健康の相談を受けたりとか、またはちょっとした講義みたいなもの。

I go there and receive various health consultations, as well as participate in small lectures.

こういったものをお願いしてやっていただいたり、食事とか、このままカロリーの計算とか、そういう話とかされてましたよね。

You were talking about asking for things like this, doing them, meals, and calculating calories, right?

いうふうな形で、寄り合い所みたいな感じの場所を使って、そういった健康をベースにしたお話を皆さんでするというのは基本的な活動ということでいいのかしら。

In that way, using a space that feels like a gathering place, is it correct to say that having discussions based on health among everyone is a fundamental activity?

はい、そうですね。

Yes, that's right.

なんか受け身じゃなくて、そういう。

It's not really passive; it's more like that.

学習を通して、より食事のことについて考えるとか、薬について考えるとか、そういうふうにきっかけづくりになったらいいなっていうところで、学びの場をですね、提供させていただいてるっていう感じですね。

Through learning, I hope to create opportunities for people to think more about their diet and medication, so we provide a space for education with that goal in mind.

今やっぱりどうしても、おじいさんおばあさんたちが、そういった一人暮らしになったりとかして、横のつながりがどんどん薄れていってる。

Now, it can't be helped that elderly people are living alone, and their connections with others are becoming increasingly weaker.

っていうのは実際あると思うんですよね。

I actually think that happens.

例えば民生委員の方たちとか、いろんな地域でお世話役の方たちがいらっしゃって、お世話をしていただけてるんだけど、そういう方たちもどんどん高齢化している。

For example, there are community volunteers and various local caregivers who help out, but those people are also rapidly aging.

やはりそのお世話が十分できない状況にもなっているし、地域コミュニティそのものがちょっと壊れつつあるっていうのも現状なのかなと思うんですけど。

I think the situation is that we are unable to provide sufficient care, and the local community itself seems to be gradually breaking down.

実際その坂本とか結構山の中じゃないですか。

In reality, isn't that Sakamoto quite deep in the mountains?

で、場所的にはどういうことを感じられました?

So, what did you feel about the place?

行ってみて。

Give it a try.

坂本町ですか。

Is this Sakamoto Town?

坂本町は、以前坂本村っていうところだったんですけど。

Sakamoto Town was previously a place called Sakamoto Village.

そうですね。僕らもつい坂本村って言っちゃうんだよね。

That's right. We also tend to just say Sakamoto Village.

文化がですね、同じ坂本村でも歴史とかも全然違ったりとかして、二味の。

The culture, you know, even within the same Sakamoto Village, has completely different histories and nuances.

地域によって。

It depends on the region.

そう、地域によって。

Yes, it depends on the region.

雰囲気が違うんですか?

Is the atmosphere different?

雰囲気が違うんですよ。それが不思議なんですよね。

The atmosphere is different. That's what's mysterious, isn't it?

はいはいはい。

Yes, yes, yes.

坂本村っていう村なのに、なんでそれぞれ違うんだろうっていうのと、あと今入っている鶴浜地区でもですね、上鶴、中鶴、下鶴ってあるんですけど、それさえも文化がちょっと違うんですよ。

Even though it's a village called Sakamoto, I wonder why each part is different. Also, in the Tsuruhama area that I'm currently in, there are Kamitsuru, Nakatsuru, and Shimotsuru, but even those have slightly different cultures.

お祭りのやり方も違うし、なんか、そして二味方面っていうか、あっち方面、足北の方面が近かったりとか、ただ坂本村とちょっと違う。

The way of celebrating the festival is different, and somehow, it's more in the direction of the Futami area, or rather, that direction, where the foot of the mountain is closer, but it's just a bit different from Sakamoto Village.

そういう文化が入ってたりするので、すごくなんかややこしいんですよね。

It's really complicated because such cultures are involved.

あの、熊本県人じゃない方だと、その分かんないと思うんですけれども、その坂本地区っていうのは、熊本の方の南の方で八代市っていうのがあって、そっからずっとこう、東の方に行くと人吉という盆地があるんですよね。

Um, for those who aren't from Kumamoto Prefecture, you might not know this, but the Sakamoto area is in the southern part of Kumamoto, and there is a city called Yatsushiro. If you go east from there, you’ll find the Hitoyoshi basin.

その行く途中の中間ぐらいの集落あたりを。

Around a settlement that is roughly halfway on the way there.

そうです、坂本。

That's right, Sakamoto.

それを呼ぶんですけれど、そういう名前でですね。

We call it that, with that kind of name.

人吉っていうのは特に、どちらかというと、熊本県ではあるんだけれども、文化的には鹿児島の、いわゆる相原藩ですね、元の。

Hitoyoshi is particularly, you could say, in Kumamoto Prefecture, but culturally it is linked to Kagoshima, specifically the old Aihara domain.

もともと相原藩の領地でもあったこともあって、文化的には実は熊本よりも、もっと南の鹿児島の方に近いんですよね。

Originally, since it was also the territory of the Aihara clan, culturally it is actually closer to Kagoshima further south than to Kumamoto.

言葉のね、イントネーションもちょっとね。

The intonation of the words is a bit off, you know.

そういうところがありますもんね。

There are places like that, aren't there?

で、そういう意味ではそこに行く途中なので、熊本の文化圏と人吉の文化圏との真ん中ということで、これがやっぱり混ざったようなところが多分今でもあるのかなと。

So, in that sense, since we are on the way there, it's right in the middle of the cultural sphere of Kumamoto and the cultural sphere of Hitoyoshi, and I think there are probably still many places that have mixed elements of both.

で、だからちょっとこう、同じ熊本県でも八代ともだいぶなんかこう、言葉も少し違うし、その人のなんかね、雰囲気っていうのもね。

So, because of that, even within Kumamoto Prefecture, there’s quite a difference between Yatsushiro and other places, including the dialect and the atmosphere of the people as well.

ちょっと違うのかなと。

I wonder if it's a little different.

そうです。

That's right.

すごくやっぱりある部分、純朴な、素朴な部分がすごく見えたりとかするし、文化が違ってくるし、そういう田舎に行けば行くほど実は文化っていうのは地域によって本当にこう、全然違うんだよね。

You can really see certain aspects that are very simple and innocent, and as the culture differs, the more you go to the countryside, the more you realize that culture truly varies greatly by region.

だから熊本弁ってそういう意味じゃ面白くて、ちょっと離れると、街が離れると、僕は今松葉瀬っていうところにいるんですけど、松葉瀬弁ってやっぱり相当汚いんですよ。

That's why Kumamoto dialect is interesting in that way; when you move a little away, when you leave the city, I'm currently in a place called Matsubase, and Matsubase dialect is pretty rough, after all.

ああ。

Ah.

きついんですよ、言い方が。

It's tough, the way you say it.

で、それが孔子とかね、向こうに行けばまた全然違いますもんね。

So, that's Confucius, and over there it’s completely different, isn't it?

八代弁もきついと思いましたけどね。

I thought the Yatsushiro dialect was tough as well.

なんか、お主は、お主は、みたいな感じがするんですよ。

Somehow, I feel like you are... you are... something like that.

そう、あのね、きついっていうかね、本当そういうこう、昔の日本語の古い言葉とかが入ってくるんで、実は上品な言葉だったりするんですよ。

Yes, well, it's intense, or rather, it actually incorporates those old Japanese words from the past, so they are actually refined words.

そのお主が。

It's you.

お主っていう言い方自体はね、本当はね。

The way of saying "you" itself, you know, is actually...

本当ですか。

Is that true?

でも今となっては使わないから。

But now I don't use it anymore.

なんかおかしい感じがするっていうのは、まあありますけどね。

I do feel like something is strange, though.

あ、ちっちゃい時怖かったですもんね。

Ah, you were scared when you were little, weren't you?

ああ。

Ah.

お主、お主とか。

You, you and such.

え?

Huh?

武士かお前はっていうね。

Are you a samurai or something?

そうだね。

That's right.

うん。

Yeah.

まあまあちょっと話し続けたけど、地域によって違うっていうところが、実はその、お互いに行き来するのにもちょっとこう、マイナスになってたりとか、

Well, we've talked a bit, but the fact that it differs by region actually makes it somewhat of a negative when it comes to both sides visiting each other.

そうですね。

That's right.

そういうものをこう、受け入れがたい部分だったりとかにつながっていくっていうのはあるかもしれないと思います。

There may be aspects that connect to the parts that are difficult to accept such things.

んだけど、実際その、生き始めた頃っていうのはどうだったんですか?

But, what was it really like when you first started living?

ああ、生き、始めた頃ですか?

Ah, is it when you just started living?

うん。

Yeah.

受け入れてくれました、すぐ?

"Did you accept it right away?"

うん、受け入れるのは、やっぱすぐには難しいとは、 skateboard っと思うんですけど。

Yeah, I think it's hard to accept right away, but that's how it is with skateboarding.

まあでも比較的、つるばみの中でも霜するで最初やっているので。

Well, but relatively speaking, I'm starting it with frost in the tsurubami.

霜するの方はですね、あの、よそ者の受け入れ体制は、比較的、なんですかね。

As for the frost, the system for accepting outsiders is relatively, well, you know.

お嫁さんとか。

A bride, or something like that.

うんうん。

Uh-huh.

ついて来られた方が

Those who followed me.

外からいらっしゃった方も結構いらっしゃる

There are quite a few people who have come from outside.

結構いらっしゃったので

There were quite a few people.

そういった面でも

In that regard as well.

入り込みやすかった

It was easy to get involved.

そしてよそ者大変だよねみたいなところで

And it's tough being an outsider, in a way.

ちょっと寄り添っていただいたりとか

Could you please snuggle a little closer?

最初は遠いとこから来てるから

I originally came from a far place.

とかっていうところで

In that kind of place.

ちょっと気を使っていただいてたりとか

You've been a little considerate.

しましたけど

I did it, but...

でも

But

あちらからすごい気を使ってくれてる

They are really being considerate from that side.

っていう感じですね

That's the feeling, isn't it?

逆にね

On the contrary.

逆によそ者感が強かった

On the contrary, I felt a strong sense of being an outsider.

なるほどね

I see.

だからこそ

That's precisely why.

入り込むのにちょっと最初

It’s a bit difficult to get in at first.

違いなかった

There was no difference.

そして災害支援で

And also for disaster relief.

入っているんですけど

It's included, though.

そこの地域は一番

That area is the best.

家の被害がとても

The damage to the house is very severe.

少なかった地域だったので

Because it was a sparsely populated area.

それに対しての疎外感じゃないんですけど

It's not exactly a sense of alienation regarding that, but...

地域の人たちも

The local people as well.

申し訳ないなとか

I'm so sorry.

そういう気持ちがとても強くて

That feeling is very strong.

へえ

Oh, really?

周りは被害を受けているのに

Even though those around us are suffering.

うちの地域は大丈夫だったから

Our area was okay.

あのその

Um, well...

被害を受けている人のことを考えると

When I think about the people who are affected.

逆に申し訳がない

I feel sorry for the opposite.

申し訳ない

I'm sorry.

日本人らしい

Like a Japanese person.

なんか考え方かもね

It might be a way of thinking.

しかしその一方で

However, on the other hand

怖い思いをしたので

Because I was scared.

怖い思いをしたのは一緒だよ

We both had scary experiences.

っていう思いもあって

I have that feeling as well.

そこら辺のなんか気持ちがすごく

The feeling around here is really something.

ちょっと葛藤がね

There's a bit of conflict, you know.

そうです葛藤しているなっていうのを

That's right, I'm feeling conflicted.

感じました

I felt it.

なるほどそうだったんですね

I see, so that's how it was.

確かにね僕もこの前に

Certainly, I also recently...

ちょっと言わせていただきましたけれど

I just wanted to say a little something.

あの地域っていうのは

That area is...

水が上がってきたような感じもなかったし

It didn't feel like the water was rising.

あの

Um...

整地もしっかりされてて

The ground has been properly leveled.

綺麗でしたもんね

It was beautiful, wasn't it?

でもあれからもうちょっと

But it's been a little while since then.

南なり北の方に行くと

If you go south or north,

ああいったその

That kind of thing.

川から

From the river

ちょっと遡上したところでも

Even if we go back a little bit.

相当やられているところっていっぱいありましたもんね

There were definitely a lot of places that were significantly affected.

うーん

Hmm.

前回のね

Last time.

あの

Um...

えー

Eh?

水害の時には

During a flood.

本線の周りだけでなく

Not only around the main line

そこへ流れ込む支流の周りも

Around the tributaries that flow into there as well.

もう全部こう水によって

It's all because of the water now.

侵食されてるところがありましたからね

There were places that were eroded.

まあびっくりしますもんね

Well, it's quite surprising, isn't it?

ほんと

Really.

またでも水の怖さと

The fear of water again.

まあ地震の時の揺れの怖さ

Well, the fear of the shaking during an earthquake.

全然また違うものなんだろうなーっていうのは思いますけど

I think it's probably something completely different.

あーそうでしょうね

Ah, I see.

怖さの種類がまた

It's a different kind of fear again.

うんうんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

まあ本当に体験してみないとわからないところですけどね

Well, it's something you really can't understand until you experience it for yourself.

山ってねやっぱりね

Mountains, you see, after all...

そのー

Well…

山際のね

It's at the mountain's edge.

こうところに住んでると

If you live in a place like this,

やっぱりその

After all, that...

軸ずれだったりとかね

It was due to misalignment, you know.

そういった地滑りだったりとか

Such landslides and so on.

っていう怖さもあったりとかするだろうし

There might also be a fear that comes with that.

その

That

うんと

Well then.

いわゆるその地震の時の怖さよりも

More than the fear of that earthquake, so to speak.

その後にそういった災害が

After that, such disasters occurred.

あの

Um...

誘発される可能性もあったりとかするだろうから

There is also a possibility that it could be triggered.

そうおっしゃってました

You said so.

なんか変な音がすごいガーってして

There's a really weird loud noise.

土砂災害が起きるんじゃないかって

I'm worried that a landslide might occur.

まあ鶴瓶は山がすごい近いので

Well, Tsurube is really close to the mountain.

土砂災害が一番やっぱ心配なんですよね

Landslides are really my biggest concern.

なるほどね

I see.

でなかなかそうですね

Well, that's quite true.

そういう音やっぱ怖いよね

That kind of sound is definitely scary, isn't it?

怖いですよね

It's scary, isn't it?

なんかそこで一瞬で終わるんじゃなくて

It's not like it just ends in an instant there.

ずっと続けて朝までね

Let's keep going until morning.

うんうんうん

Uh-huh.

ずっと落ち着かない

I can't stay calm at all.

動くのにもねって動けないしねっていうところで

It's like, even though I want to move, I can't really move.

ちょうどあの本当に鶴瓶地区はちょっと山の奥にあるので

Just that Tsurube area is a little deep in the mountains.

その間の道がもう通れなくなってたので

The road in between had become impassable.

なるほどね

I see.

うん孤立しちゃうもんね

Yeah, it makes you feel isolated.

孤立してたんですよね

I was isolated, you know.

うんうんうん

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

その面では怖かったんですけど

It was scary in that respect, though.

そう思いますね

I think so too.

なるほどね

I see.

まあでもそういうところで今

Well, anyway, in that regard, now...

月に1回ぐらいですかね

About once a month, I guess.

月に1回です

It’s once a month.

月に1回はそこの公民館を借りて

We rent the community center there once a month.

今そういう先ほどの健康相談だったりとか

Now, regarding the health consultation we just had...

ちょっとした勉強会だったりとかっていうのを今やっている

We're currently holding a small study session.

そうですそうです

That's right, that's right.

でこれらの活動をいわゆる支え人っていうチームで

So, these activities are carried out by a team called the "supporters."

今後もちゃんと続けてやりたいと

I want to continue doing it properly from now on.

そうです

That's right.

ということでこれから今募集をかけるっていう状況に

So, from now on, we are in a situation where we are going to start recruiting.

来てるんですね

You're here, aren't you?

今それらの規約的なものであったりとか

Now it's those regulatory things, etc.

内容を今まとめている最中ということで

I am currently in the process of summarizing the content.

ちょっと早くしろと他の理事から今

One of the other board members is telling me to hurry up a bit now.

怒られてるところです僕が

I'm the one getting scolded.

ちょっとやらなきゃいけない

I have to do a little bit.

すいません

Excuse me.

という感じなんですけれど

That's how it feels, but...

こういうやっぱり仕組みは絶対的にもう

This kind of structure is absolutely essential.

これも前も言ったと思うんですけれど

I think I mentioned this before as well, but...

行政の皆さんだけではやっぱり

It's just not possible with only the government officials.

なかなか難しい部分が今出てきていて

There are some quite difficult parts coming up now.

いろんな縦割りのいろんな理由もあるんですけれども

There are various reasons for the different separations, but...

市民自らが何かできることって

What can citizens do by themselves?

やっぱり探していくっていうのが

After all, it's about continuing to search for it.

重要な時代なんじゃないかなと僕も思うんですよね

I also think it's an important era.

それによってねなんていうか喜んでいただけるというか

It makes me happy to think that it brings you joy.

ちょっと安心していただけるような人が増えれば

If there are more people who can make you feel a little more at ease.

やる価値のある活動だなというふうに思いますけれども

I think it's an activity worth doing.

そうですね

That's right.

一人でもですね一人でもちょっと安心できたりとか

Even if it's just one person, it can provide a bit of安心.

ちょっと気持ちが落ち着くっていうふうに

It feels like my emotions are settling down a bit.

なんか思っていただけたらもうありがたいとかいいですよね

If you could think of it that way, I would be really grateful, and that would be nice, wouldn't it?

そうですね素晴らしい活動だと思いますよ

I think it's a wonderful activity.

はいということでございまして

Well then, that being said.

ちょっと今日長めになりましたかね

Did it get a bit longer today?

今何分ですか

What time is it now?

20分近く歌ってしゃべったと思います

I think I sang and talked for nearly 20 minutes.

すいませんなんか前置きがとても長かった

I'm sorry, the introduction was really long.

くだらない話を

A trivial story.

悪かっただけだな

I just did something bad.

こういうのを悪くないといけないんですよ

You have to think of things like this as not bad.

面白いなって

That's interesting.

そういう感じですけどね

That's the kind of feeling it has, though.

支え人はまだもうちょっと

The supporter is still just a little more.

そうですねいろいろ

That's right, various things.

あまり焦ってもしょうがないなとも思っているし

I also think that there's no point in getting too flustered.

やりながら形を作っていかなきゃいけないところは結構あると思うので

I think there are quite a few places where you have to shape things as you go along.

とにかく僕らは一応やると言ったからやめないっていうのを

Anyway, we said we would do it, so we're not going to stop.

やっぱりなるべく心情にして

After all, I want to be as considerate of feelings as possible.

できるやり方は何であるか

What is the way to do it?

諦めない

Don't give up.

そうですね

That's right.

だから諦めるって言葉を最初から

So from the beginning, the word "give up"...

辞書からなくせばいいわけですよね

You can just remove it from the dictionary, right?

それはないからと思っておけばいいので

You can just think that it won't happen.

そうですね

That's right.

そうやって形で作っていければなと思いますので

I hope to be able to create it in that way.

一つ一つ丁寧にやっていけたらいいですね

It would be great if we could do everything carefully, one by one.

ということでございまして

That being said.

今日は

Hello.

おさわラジオでございました

It was O-sawa Radio.

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

ご苦労様です

Thank you for your hard work.

では皆さんお疲れ様でした

Well then, everyone, good work.

お疲れです

You must be tired.

ご視聴ありがとうございました

Thank you for watching.