＃1「行きよりも、帰り道の方が短く感じる」が気になる。

この番組は日常の気になることや言われてみれば気になることを自由気ままにお話しするトークバラエティ番組です

This program is a talk variety show where we casually discuss everyday curiosities and things that might pique your interest when mentioned.

気になるラジオ記念すべき第1回目の放送でございます

This is the first broadcast of the special radio show that piques my interest.

皆さん初めまして中村と申しますよろしくお願い致します

Hello everyone, nice to meet you. My name is Nakamura. I look forward to working with you.

第1回目ということでね本来ならば自己紹介とかするのかなぁなんて思ったりしますけれども

Since this is the first time, I was wondering if we should do self-introductions or something like that.

中村はそんなことよりも何よりも気になっていることがあると

Nakamura has something that matters to him more than anything else.

それをお話ししていければなと思っております

I hope to talk about that.

多分これを聞いてくれている

"Maybe you are listening to this."

あなたもこの今回のテーマ題名に気になってクリックしてくれたんじゃないかなと思うので

I think you were curious and clicked on this theme title as well.

しのごの言わずに今回のトークテーマ早速いきたいと思います

Without further ado, I would like to jump into this talk's theme.

行きよりも帰りの道の方が短く感じるこれです

I feel that the way back feels shorter than the way there.

いやこれめちゃめちゃあるあるですよね

Yeah, this is really something that happens all the time, right?

なんだろうこう旅行とか行った時に初めて行く道だからなのか

I wonder if it's because it's a road I take for the first time when I go on a trip.

分かんないですけど

I don't know, but...

まあ行きますよね行き道

Well, I'm going, right? On the way.

例えばこう最寄りの駅から旅行先の宿泊先ホテルまで

For example, from the nearest station to the accommodation hotel at the travel destination.

こう歩いて行く時に

When walking like this

まあ初めて見る景色なんか見ながら

Well, while looking at a scenery I’m seeing for the first time.

まあ一緒に行った人と喋りながらなんて行くんですけども

Well, I'll be going while chatting with the person I went with.

あの帰りに宿泊先から駅まで歩く時は

When walking from the accommodation to the station on the way back,

なんか来た時よりも一瞬で着く感覚

It feels like it arrives instantly compared to when it came.

一瞬じゃないですけど

It's not just a moment.

早く着く感覚があるんですよ

I have a feeling I'll arrive early.

早く着く感覚に陥りがちっていうとこで

It's easy to fall into the feeling of arriving early.

これはね多分みんな経験したことがあると思う

I think this is something everyone has probably experienced.

あれなのかな

Is that what it is?

初めて見る景色が新鮮で時間が過ぎるのが遅く感じてるからなのかな

Maybe it's because the scenery I'm seeing for the first time is fresh and makes time feel like it's passing slowly.

慣れるからってのもあるかもしれないなーなんて思ったりしますけどね

It might be that I'm getting used to it, or at least that's what I think.

しかもこういう気になるものって

Moreover, things that catch my attention like this...

その時はなんか早く感じるなーって

At that time, it feels like it's going by quickly.

ふわって思うんですよ

I feel fluffy.

ふわって思うんですけど

I feel like it's fluffy.

帰りの電車とかでこう疲れて寝ちゃったりとかすると忘れちゃうんですよ

If I get tired and fall asleep on the train ride back, I tend to forget.

そのなんか気になるなってぼんやりした感覚のまま行っちゃうと忘れてるっていう

If you just go with that vague feeling of curiosity, you end up forgetting it.

なので今回中村調べました

So this time I researched Nakamura.

だからねこう気になった時に調べないとダメなんですよねこういうのね

So, you have to research it when you're curious about something like this, you know.

まさかのこの現象には名前がついているそうで

It seems that this incredible phenomenon has a name.

いきましょう

Let's go.

いきますよ皆さんここですよ気になるところ

Here we go, everyone. This is the place that interests me.

はいこの現象の名前は科学の世界ではリターントリップエフェクトと呼ばれる有名な話題だそうです

Yes, this phenomenon is said to be a famous topic in the world of science called the return trip effect.

めちゃめちゃかっこいい名前ついてます

It has an incredibly cool name.

リターントリップエフェクトかっこいいですよねこれね

The return trip effect is really cool, isn't it?

技名みたい

It looks like a technique name.

この現象は2011年のオランダの大学で研究されたみたいで

It seems that this phenomenon was studied at a university in the Netherlands in 2011.

慣れは関係ないそうです

It seems that familiarity doesn't matter.

こうね行き道は初めての道だから新鮮だなと思うけど

Since this is my first time on this path, I find it refreshing.

帰り道は同じ道を通るから

We will take the same way home.

一回こうね慣れがあるから早く感じるってわけではないそうです

It's said that just because you get used to something, it doesn't necessarily mean it feels faster.

まず一つ目の実験では69名を対象に時間の間隔を検証したそうです

In the first experiment, they examined time intervals with 69 participants.

もうすでに気になるんですよねこれ69名ってもう一人足せば70名ですっきりするのにっていうこの

I'm already concerned about this; with 69 people, if we add just one more, it will be a neat 70.

もうすでになんか

It's already something.

ちょっと気になっちゃってますね69名を対象にしたそうです一つ目の実験は

It seems I'm a little curious. It appears to be targeted at 69 people. The first experiment is...

同じ距離を車に乗って往復したところ全ての参加者が帰り道を短く感じていました

After traveling the same distance by car, all participants felt that the return journey was shorter.

もちろん移動時間は変わっていません

Of course, the travel time has not changed.

さらに路上の様子を覚えている人は少なく道に慣れたということは実証できませんでした

Furthermore, very few people remember the state of the streets, and it could not be proven that they have become familiar with the roads.

なるほどね慣れではなくみんなが帰り道が早く感じたよと

I see, it’s not about getting used to it, but everyone felt like the way home was quicker.

次に2つ目の調査です

Next is the second survey.

この調査では93名を対象に自転車を使ってある道を往復する実験を実施しました

In this survey, an experiment was conducted with 93 participants who used bicycles to travel back and forth on a certain road.

またこれ93名とかこれ何なんですかこれ

What is this about 93 people? What is this?

あと2人足すか3人こうねちょっとご遠慮いただいて90人か95人とかにすればいいのに

Maybe we should add 2 or 3 more people, or kindly decline some, and keep it at around 90 or 95 people.

93人何が中途半端なんでしょうかね

What is half-hearted about 93 people, I wonder?

それかもう100名とかにすればもっとね霧が良くなるんですけどね

If we could increase it to 100 people or so, the fog would improve even more.

変なとこばっか気にしちゃいますねこれねはい

You really tend to worry about strange things, don't you? Yes.

ということでいきましょう

Let's go with that.

93名を対象に自転車を使ってある道を往復する実験を実施しましたと

An experiment was conducted with 93 participants to cycle back and forth on a certain road.

一部の参加者には行き帰りで別のルートを走ってもらいましたが

Some participants took a different route on their way to and from the event.

帰り道に別のルートを使った場合でも時間を短く感じる効果が現れました

Even when using a different route on the way home, there was an effect of feeling that the time was shorter.

なるほど行き帰りの道が同じかどうかや道に対する慣れが関係ないことがこの結果でわかりますと

I see, this result shows that whether the route is the same for going and coming back or familiarity with the road is irrelevant.

なるほどね

I see.

これ結構びっくりですよね

This is quite surprising, isn't it?

行きとは違う道通っても帰りの方が早く感じる

Even though I took a different route on the way back, it feels faster.

うーん確かに条件一緒ですもんね

Hmm, that's true; the conditions are the same.

新鮮さがどうかではないという理由が

It's not about whether it's fresh or not.

これ結論どういうことかっていうと

So, what this conclusion is saying is...

帰り道を短く感じる理由は予測にありましたということらしいです予測

It seems that the reason we feel the journey home is shorter lies in our expectations.

3つ目の調査では139名

In the third survey, there were 139 participants.

もういいってこれ

That's enough already.

1人足せば100人

One more person makes it 100 people.

140人じゃん

That's 140 people.

いやーこれめっちゃ気になりますね

Wow, this is really interesting!

じゃあ続きいきますね

Well then, let's continue.

自転車で目的地へと移動する人の様子を捉えたビデオを見てもらいました

I showed you a video capturing people moving to their destination by bicycle.

その際映像に登場するライダーが元の場所に戻ることになった時にどれくらいの時間がかかるのかを予測してもらいました

At that time, we asked for a prediction on how long it would take for the rider appearing in the video to return to the original location.

もちろん移動する距離はオーロと同じです

Of course, the distance traveled is the same as the Auroro.

ちなみにこの調査は

By the way, this survey is...

行きの予測が帰り道の時間間隔に影響しているのではないかという推測のもとに行われたもの

It was conducted based on the assumption that the predictions for the outbound journey affect the time intervals on the return trip.

これまでの調査でほとんどの参加者がオーロにかかる時間を少なく見積もっており

In previous surveys, most participants underestimated the time spent on Auro.

到着までにかかる時間を長く感じている傾向があったそうです

It seems that there was a tendency to feel that the time until arrival was長く感じている.

この調査でライダーがオーロにかけた時間は7分

The time that the rider spent on Oro in this survey was 7 minutes.

しかしフクロに対する参加者の予測はほとんどの場合9分ほどという結果に

However, the participants' predictions for the backpack were, in most cases, about 9 minutes.

誰もがフクロにかけた時間は9分ほどという結果に

The result is that everyone spent about 9 minutes on the bag.

フクロにかかる時間を余分に計算していることが分かりました

I found out that extra time is being calculated for the bag.

なるほど

I see.

これらのことから人は行きにかかる時間を短く見積もっている

From these things, people tend to underestimate the time it takes to reach their destination.

そして予測した時間よりも実際にかかる時間が長くなる

And the actual time taken becomes longer than the predicted time.

その経験からフクロにかかる時間、帰りですね

Based on that experience, it takes time to return to the bag.

帰りにかかる時間を過剰に見積もる

Overestimate the time it takes to get home.

その結果帰り道は予測よりも早く目的地に到着すると

As a result, they arrived at their destination on the way back earlier than expected.

なので行きよりも帰り道の方が短いという感覚を覚える

So I feel that the way back is shorter than the way there.

ということだそうです

It seems that's the case.

これちょっと納得だな

This makes sense to me.

つまり予測しちゃってるってことですね

So, that means you're predicting it, huh?

なるほどね

I see.

これ面白いな

This is interesting.

気になることちょっと解決しました

I resolved a little bit of what was bothering me.

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

この行きよりも帰り道の方が短く感じるっていうのに類似して

Similar to the feeling that the way back seems shorter than the way there.

あの年を取るごとに

As the years go by

時間が経つのがますます早く感じられるってよく言いますよね

It's often said that time seems to pass more quickly.

これ中村もそんなに若くはないので日々感じてます

Nakamura is not that young either, so I feel it every day.

この年を取ると時が経つのが早く感じるっていう法則のことを

The theory that as we get older, time seems to pass more quickly.

ジャネーの法則って言うみたいです

It seems to be called the Law of Janney.

でこれはどういうことかというと

So what this means is...

さっきのねリターントリップエフェクトと同じような感じで

It's kind of like that return trip effect from earlier.

時間の間隔っていうのは

The interval of time is

その人がこれまでに過ごしてきた年数との比率で

In proportion to the number of years that person has lived so far.

評価される

To be evaluated.

これ分かりやすく言うと

To put it simply,

何年生きてきたかによって

Depending on how many years you've lived.

時間の長さを判断するってことですね

It's about judging the length of time, isn't it?

10歳の子供と40歳の大人が

A 10-year-old child and a 40-year-old adult.

同じ1年を過ごしたとしましょうと

Let's say we spent the same year.

大人も子供も1年間という物理的な時間は同じなんですけども

Although the physical concept of one year is the same for both adults and children,

その1年間がその人の人生の何分の1に相当するかは

How that one year corresponds to a fraction of that person’s life is

人によっては分かりやすいと思います

Some people might find it easy to understand.

人によって異なりますよね

It varies from person to person, doesn't it?

なんで10歳の子供にとっての1年間っていうのは

Why is one year for a 10-year-old child...

10年間の人生のうちの10分の1なんで

It's one-tenth of my life over the past ten years.

割合にして10%

10% in proportion

一方40歳の大人にとっては

On the other hand, for a 40-year-old adult.

それまでの人生の40分の1が1年だから

Because one year is one-fortieth of my life up to that point.

割合にして2.5%

2.5% in terms of percentage.

なんで10%と2.5%

Why 10% and 2.5%?

4倍違うわけですね

It's four times different.

この比率の

This ratio's

比率によって

By ratio.

長く感じたり短く感じたり

Feeling long or feeling short.

つまりこう年齢が4倍違えば

In other words, if the age difference is four times.

1年間の速さの感覚っていうのも4倍違うよっていう話らしいですね

It seems that the sense of the speed of a year is said to be four times different.

残酷ですねこれ

This is cruel, isn't it?

これめちゃめちゃ残酷だな

This is very cruel.

いやなんか確かに

Well, certainly.

でこれ

So this is it.

ジャネーの法則って

What is the law of Jenae?

あのリターントリップエフェクトのように

Like that return trip effect.

これ

This

時間の感覚っていうのは

The sense of time is

いろんな経験をしていくと

As you go through various experiences,

まあ仕事行って

Well, I'm off to work.

家帰ってきて寝る

I'm going home to sleep.

仕事行って家帰ってきて寝るみたいな

It's like going to work, coming home, and then sleeping.

自分が今まで経験したことの繰り返しになってしまうと

If it becomes a repetition of what I've experienced so far,

予測が立てられるわけですよね

It is possible to make predictions, isn't it?

要は自分の中で

In short, within myself.

この人生

This life

生きている時間

Time of living

の予測が立てられるから

Because predictions can be made.

より1日が早く感じられて

The days feel like they're passing more quickly.

そのルーティンを毎日毎日こなして

Doing that routine day after day.

1年が過ぎるんで

A year has passed.

もう12月早みたいなことが起こるってことですよね

It means that something like December is coming early, right?

子供の時はね

When I was a child

いろんなことが新鮮で

Everything is fresh and new.

変な虫見つけたとか

I found a weird bug.

ねなんだこのおもちゃすごいなみたいなとか

Wow, what is this toy? It's amazing!

何でも多分新鮮だったと思うんですよね

I think everything was probably fresh.

だからあれですよね

So, that's what it is, right?

やったことないことやってみるとか

Trying things I've never done before.

習い事初めてやる習い事だったり

It was the first time doing a new activity or lesson.

初めて会う人だったり

It was someone I was meeting for the first time.

それこそ初めて行く土地だったり

It was precisely a place I was visiting for the first time.

自分が経験したことない刺激をこうね

"Stimulations that I have never experienced before."

もらい続けることによって

By continuing to receive

子供の時のようなこの1日が長かった時のような

Like a day that felt long, just like when I was a child.

1年がすごく長い時間に感じていたような

It felt like a year was an incredibly long time.

感覚って取り戻せるのかななんて

I wonder if I can regain my senses.

思ったりしますけどね

I sometimes think that way.

なかなかうまくいかないですよねこれがね

This isn't going quite well, is it?

仕事して帰ってきたらね

When I got home after work.

遊びに行こうなんてあんま思わないし

I don't really think about going out to play.

youtube見て

Watch YouTube.

テレビ見て

Watch TV.

ポテチ食べて

Eat potato chips.

コーラ飲んで

Drink cola.

あーもうこんな時間だ寝なきゃ寝る起きたら仕事だり

Ah, it’s already this late; I have to sleep. When I wake up, I have to work.

と思いながら眠い目こすりながら電車にいられて行く

Thinking so, I rub my sleepy eyes and head towards the train.

でおこごと言われながら仕事して

"Working while being told to be quiet."

あーなんとか今日も乗り切った定時だ帰ろう

Ah, somehow I made it through today. It's time to go home.

ちょっとこれ頼まれてくれる残業残業する帰る

Could you please help me with this? I'm going to stay late, so I'll be going home.

あー疲れたもうこんな時間か風呂入んなきゃ風呂入るご飯食べる

Ah, I’m tired. Is it already this time? I have to take a bath. I’ll take a bath and then eat dinner.

youtube見る寝るわーみたいな

I'm just going to watch YouTube and then sleep.

この循環ね多くの人が感じているこう時間の流れの速さの闇が

This cycle, many people feel, is the darkness of the fast flow of time.

こういうところに存在していたということですね

It means that it existed in a place like this.

わかってはいるけどもなかなかうまくいかない

I understand, but it doesn't go well.

なんでねこのジャネーの法則にも逆らうような

"Why would it go against the law of cat Jané?"

自分のこの今までの経験からは予測もつかないのでね

I can't predict it based on my experiences up until now.

なんでねこのジャネーの法則にも逆らうような自分のこの今までの経験からは予測もつかないのでね

I can't predict based on my experiences so far, which seem to defy even the laws of cat Jané.

なんでねこのジャネーの法則にも逆らうような自分の今までの経験からは予測もつかないのでね

I can't predict anything based on my past experiences, which seems to defy even the law of cat Janey.

新しいことに挑戦してみても面白いんじゃないかなと思いました

I thought it might be interesting to try something new.

ということで今回第1回目は行きよりも帰りの道の方が短く感じる現象

So, for this first installment, we will discuss the phenomenon of the return trip feeling shorter than the journey to the destination.

リターントリップエフェクトについてお話ししました

I talked about the return trip effect.

ではまた

See you later.