悪いことはなぜ楽しいのか

白心の井戸端番組 職業主婦です

Heartfelt Neighborhood Talk Show: I'm a Housewife.

主婦の目線で世間を見る 井戸端会議的な番組です

This is a program that views the world from the perspective of a housewife, similar to a neighborhood gathering.

縁の下から社会を支えている けど意外と知られていない主婦の世界を

The world of housewives, which unexpectedly supports society from behind the scenes.

都内で子育て中の私 ピューがご案内します

I, Puyuu, who am raising children in the city, will guide you.

今回は 最近読んだ新書のお話

This time I will talk about a new book I recently read.

ということで まずは40代女性のニトキさん

So, first up is Ms. Nitoki in her 40s.

ニトキ? ちょっとアクセント違ってたらすみません

Nitoki? I’m sorry if the accent was a bit different.

ニトキさんで行かせていただきますね

I will go with Nitochi-san.

ニトキさんからいただいたメッセージをご紹介します

I would like to introduce the message I received from Nitoki.

これね 結婚をめぐる常識を疑う 結婚の社会学のエピソードを聞いて

Listen to an episode of the sociology of marriage that questions the common sense surrounding marriage.

おくんです

It's Okun.

作っていただいたメッセージです

This is the message you created for me.

8月26日の配信 とても勉強になりました

The broadcast on August 26 was very informative.

まさに平栄な内容ですね

It's truly a harmonious content.

今の伝統と思われていることが 実はそんなに昔からではないとは

What is thought to be tradition today is actually not as old as it seems.

夫婦同棲が伝統なんて言っている人たちは 何を守りたいのでしょうか

What do the people who say that cohabitation is a tradition want to protect?

など聞きながら いろいろ考えさせられました

Listening to things like that made me think about various matters.

私もこの本を読んでみようと思います

I think I will try reading this book too.

私は毎日パートと家の

I do part-time work and house chores every day.

往復の生活で 息子たちと激務の夫に振り回されて

In the hustle and bustle of daily life, I am being tossed around by my sons and my hardworking husband.

頭の中はこんだてと 送迎スケジュールでパンパンで

My head is packed with menus and transportation schedules.

ついつい夫に昔言われて 腹が立ったことを思い出したり

I can't help but remember the things my husband said to me in the past that made me angry.

つまらないことばかり 考えてしまいがちです

I tend to think about only boring things.

ピューさんはご家庭のこともしながら

Mr. Piyu is also taking care of family matters.

何冊も新書を読んでいらっしゃる ということをお聞きして

I heard that you have been reading many new books.

私ももっと情報や知識を インプットしたいと

I also want to input more information and knowledge.

気持ちが上向きになりました

My spirits have lifted.

今後もピューさん目線の方に 気をつけていただきたいです

I would like you to continue to be mindful of things from Pyu-san's perspective.

面白かった本の紹介や感想のお話も 時々していただけると嬉しいです

I would be happy if you could occasionally share introductions or thoughts about interesting books.

というメッセージでした

It was a message saying.

ニトキさんどうもありがとうございます

Thank you very much, Nitoki-san.

パートされて夫さんが激務っていうことで

"My husband is very busy with his work."

お忙しい毎日の中で 私の番組を聞いていただいて

Thank you for listening to my program amidst your busy days.

本当に光栄です ありがとうございます

I am truly honored. Thank you very much.

本のことをお話しするのって

Talking about books is...

リスナーさん的にどうなんだろうなっていう

I wonder what the listeners think about it.

毎度そうなんですけど

It's always like that, isn't it?

ちょっと不安もあったんですよ

I was a little worried.

そんな中で本の紹介良かった なんていうお便りを

In the midst of that, I received a message saying that the book introduction was good.

複数いただきまして

Thank you for the multiple items.

良かったと安心しているところです

I'm relieved and feel that it was a good outcome.

私も思い出しますよ

I remember too.

本当に恥ずかしい 自分の恥ずかしいこととか

I'm really embarrassed about my embarrassing moments and things.

本当につまらないことを思い出しては

I keep remembering truly boring things.

一人で恥ずかしくなったり

Feeling embarrassed alone.

はーって落ち込んだり

Sigh... feeling down.

そんなこと私もずっとしておりますよ

I've been doing that for a long time too.

でも本のことは

But about the book...

本は確かに読んではいるんですけど

I am indeed reading the book, but...

でもそんな大層なもんでもないんですね

But it's not such a big deal, is it?

そんな大層なもんでもないんですけど

It's not such a big deal, though.

新書に関しては大学のゼミで

Regarding the new book, in the university seminar.

定期的に何冊も課題として読んでたんですね

It seems you were regularly reading several books as assignments.

ゼミの先生がその知識の定着とか

The seminar teacher emphasized the retention of that knowledge.

その考えがどうとか

What about that idea?

そういうことよりも

More than that.

これからの人生で

In the life to come

新書を読む習慣がついてくれたらいいなと思うっていう

I hope they develop a habit of reading new books.

そういうようなことをね

Something like that, you know.

おっしゃってたのが

What you mentioned was

なんか印象に残っててね

It's been stuck in my mind, you know.

なんとなく定期的に読もうかなっていう

I feel like I might read it regularly for some reason.

そういう意識があるんですね

You have that kind of awareness, don't you?

だからそんなに抵抗もないし

So there's not much resistance.

本屋さんに行くと目が行くっていうのもあるし

When you go to a bookstore, your eyes are drawn to things as well.

あと夫がね

And my husband...

図書館で借りてきたりとか

Borrowing from the library, for example.

買ったりして

Buying things and so on.

ボーンとリビングの机に置いてあったりすると

If it's placed on the living room table with a bang...

私も読んでみようっていうね

I think I'll give it a read too.

そういうので読んだ本をね

That's the kind of book I read.

買った本もありますね

There are also the books I bought.

今回はせっかくなので

Since this is a special occasion...

よかったよっておっしゃっていただいて

I'm glad to hear you said that.

ちょっと調子に乗ってと言いますかね

I guess you could say I'm getting a bit carried away.

最近読んだ新書で

In a recent book I read...

これね夫が子供にも読ませたいっていうことで

This is something my husband wants the children to read as well.

買った本があるんですね

You have bought a book, haven't you?

最初はね

At first, you know.

これも図書館で借りて読んだんですけど

I also borrowed and read this at the library.

ちょっと子供に読ませよう

I'll let the child read it a little.

買おうかっていうことになった本

The book that we decided to buy.

これをねご紹介できたらと思います

I would like to introduce this.

まだね子供はね手に取ってもいないんですけど

The child hasn't even picked it up yet.

今後に行きたいですね

I want to go in the future.

このタイトルは

This title is

悪いことはなぜ楽しいのか

Why is doing bad things enjoyable?

そういうタイトルの

Such a title

ちくまぷりま新書でして

This is from the Chikuma Primi New Series.

ちくまぷりま新書ってね

Chikuma Primal New Book, you know.

どれも中高生とかに向けて書かれてるのかな

I wonder if all of them are written for middle and high school students.

すごくねとにかく読みやすいんですよ

It's incredibly easy to read, anyway.

著者は戸谷ひろしさんで

The author is Hiroshi Toya.

立命館大学大学院先端総合学術研究科の

Ritsumeikan University Graduate School of Advanced Global Studies

准教授でいらっしゃいます

You are an associate professor.

ちょっといけないことをした時に

When you've done something a bit wrong

ドキドキ心が躍るとか

My heart is racing with excitement.

意地悪自己中復讐

Mean-spirited self-centered revenge.

これにも絶妙な快楽がつきまとうとか

It is said that a subtle pleasure accompanies this as well.

そういう私たちのダメな部分とか

Such parts of us that are not so great.

そういう私たちのダメな部分から

From those flawed parts of us

悪と善を考える

Thinking about good and evil

そういうコンセプトの本ですね

It's a book with that kind of concept.

悪いことをしろとかね

"Do bad things, for example."

するなとか

Don't do it.

そういう本ではなくて

It's not that kind of book.

悪いことって何だろうとか

I wonder what bad things are.

人間ってこういうものとかね

Humans are like this, you know?

そういうことを考える中で

While thinking about such things

ベターな生き方を考えていこうっていうことですね

Let's think about a better way to live.

この本は一応学問で言うと

This book is somewhat academic, so to speak.

倫理学

Ethics

ということでね

So, that being said.

倫理といえばですよ

Speaking of ethics, you know...

私高校の時に倫理の授業ってありましたけど

I had an ethics class in high school.

先生もどんな先生だったかも覚えてますけど

I also remember what kind of teacher you were.

でも授業がね

But the classes...

誰々は何々主義とか

Someone is an advocate of a certain ideology.

そういうのをひたすら先生が教科書を読んで

The teacher kept reading the textbook without stopping.

ひたすら面白くないと思っていたんですよね

I honestly thought it was just not interesting at all.

この本はね

This book is...

そういう倫理に出てきたような哲学者

A philosopher who appears in such ethics.

ホップページとか

Homepage, etc.

ブースターカントだって言った人たちのそういう考えが

The thoughts of those who said it's a booster count.

絶妙なね

It's exquisite.

分かりやすい例とともに説明されてるんですね

It is being explained with easy-to-understand examples.

だから読みやすい上に

So it's not only easy to read, but also...

哲学家たちを少し身近に感じられるっていう

It makes me feel a little closer to philosophers.

そういうところもあります

There are such points.

もともとね私

You see, originally I...

哲学はそんなに好きじゃないというか

It's not that I don't like philosophy that much.

いろんなことの意味をね

The meaning of various things, you know.

すごい考えるじゃないですか

You're really thinking hard, aren't you?

そういう意味をね

In that sense.

むしろ深く考えるんですよ

Rather, I think deeply about it.

考えたくないというかね

It's not that I don't want to think about it, you know.

めんどくさがりなところがあるので

I tend to be a bit lazy.

あんまり沼にはまりたくないっていう

I don't want to get too deep into the swamp.

そういうところがあったんですね

I see there were such things.

唯一読破した哲学系の本は

The only philosophy book I have completely read is

イエール大学教授のシェリー・ケーガンさんの

Professor Shelley Kagan of Yale University

死とは何かっていう

What is death?

大学の授業を本にしたものですね

It's something that has been turned into a book from university lectures.

これはね読んだけど

I've read this, you know.

なかなか骨の折れるというかね

It's quite a difficult task, you could say.

簡単に読んだっていうことでもないし

It's not like I read it easily.

もなかったんですけど

It didn't exist, though.

でもこの今回の新書はね

But this new book is, you know...

抵抗がなく

Without resistance

もうさーっと読むことができました

I was able to read through it quickly.

本筋の内容は

The main content is

ぜひ本を読んでいただきたいんですけど

I would really like you to read the book.

私がねちょっと印象に残ったところ

A part that left quite an impression on me.

いくつかお話ししたいと思います

I would like to talk about several things.

まずはね復習についてですね

First of all, let's talk about review.

復習ってもうやり返す復習ですね

Reviewing is like a retaliation review, isn't it?

この復習っていうものは

This thing called review

怒りとか苦痛といった感情だけでなく

Not only emotions like anger and pain.

甘美な側面もあるということ

It means that there is also a sweet aspect.

快楽喜ばしくも感じているっていう

It feels like pleasure is also something to be enjoyed.

そういうようなことをね

Things like that, you know.

指摘していたところが

What you pointed out was...

ちょっと印象に残ったんですね

It left a bit of an impression, didn't it?

これね古代ギリシャの哲学者

This is an ancient Greek philosopher.

アリストテルスが出てくるんですね

Aristotle appears, doesn't he?

復習っていうのは怒り

Reviewing is anger.

でもその一方で欲求が満たされる

But on the other hand, desires are fulfilled.

あるいは満たされそうっていう

"Or it seems like it will be fulfilled."

これがね快楽につながるっていうこと

This is what leads to pleasure.

ここで言うその欲求っていうのは

The desire being referred to here is

こうすれば復習できるっていう

This is how you can review.

三段を立てる期待する

I expect to establish the three stages.

これが快楽となるっていうことなんですね

So this is what it means to experience pleasure.

本の中ではねカラマーゾフの兄弟

In the book, it’s The Brothers Karamazov.

ドストエフスキーのあのカラマーゾフの兄弟が

Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov.

例に出てきていたんですけど

It was mentioned as an example.

私ねたまたまこの本を読んでる

I'm reading this book by chance.

同時期にLINEの漫画を開いたんですよ

At the same time, I opened a manga on LINE.

その時にキャンペーンで3つ漫画を読んで

At that time, I read three manga as part of the campaign.

選んでね読むとポイントゲットみたいな

Choose and get points when you read, something like that.

そういう企画があってね

There is such a plan, you know.

ちょっと読んでみようと思って

I thought I'd give it a read.

適当に3つ選んで読んだんですね

You randomly chose and read three of them, didn’t you?

そしたらその時に

Then at that time.

3つとも復習の話だったんですよ

All three were about reviewing.

もうね時代とか設定とかは様々なんですけど

Well, the times and settings are various, but...

もうどれも復習の話だったんですよ

It was all just about reviewing, you know.

復習の話だなっていうことに気づいた時に

When I realized it was about reviewing.

アリストテレスと思ったんですね

You thought it was Aristotle, huh?

あーすごいなんかいろんな感情を持ち合わせた

Ah, amazing, it's like I have a mix of various emotions.

復習っていうのは漫画エンタメの題材としてもね

"Reviewing can also be a theme in manga entertainment."

人の心を動かしやすいんだなっていう

It's easy to move people's hearts.

だからそういう風にね題材に使われてるんだな

So that's how it's being used as a theme, huh?

っていうことを思って

Thinking about that.

妙に納得したっていうね

"I strangely felt convinced."

そういう発見がありました

There was such a discovery.

あとはね

And then...

自己中の話も詳しく出てくるんですね

It seems like there's a detailed discussion about selfishness as well.

自己中心的の自己中ですね

It's selfish and self-centered, isn't it?

これね日本人からするとね

You know, from a Japanese person's perspective...

主張が強い外国の方に

To foreigners with strong opinions.

こうおされ気味になるっていうことを

It means being a bit pushed or pressured.

経験したことがね

Things I've experienced.

ある方もいらっしゃるかと思うんですね

I think there are some people who feel that way.

それも日本人から見たら

That looks to a Japanese person as well.

ちょっと自己中とも言えるというか

You could say it's a bit selfish.

自分の心の中で

In my heart.

主張をすごいされてるなっていうことで

I feel like there's a strong assertion being made.

そうとも言えるかなというとこなんですけど

I guess you could say that.

でも日本って主張をせずに

"But Japan doesn't assert itself."

気づいてほしい的なね

I want you to notice.

そういうコミュニケーションをしますよね

That's the kind of communication we have, right?

でもそういうコミュニケーションをしてると

But when you're communicating like that...

自分の中に意見を抱え込んでしまう

Holding onto opinions within oneself.

そういうことをしてるうちにね

While doing that, you know...

自分の本当の意見とか気持ちっていうのは

My true opinions and feelings are

分からなくなっていってしまうなとか

I feel like I'm starting to not understand.

でさらにストレスをため込む

And further accumulate stress.

ちょっとねそういうことを

Well, you see, about that...

この自己中の話の時に思ったんですね

I thought about this when I was talking about being self-centered.

だから日本人からすると

So from a Japanese person's perspective.

自己中に見えるような

It seems like self-centered.

そういうコミュニケーションを取る人たちの方が

People who communicate like that...

自分自身とか

Such as oneself.

自分の気持ちをね

My feelings.

守っているんじゃないか

Aren't you protecting it?

と思っているんですよ

I think so.

そういうことをしたりもしたんですね

You did things like that, too.

ついつい人のこととか周りのことを考えて

I can't help but think about others and what's going on around me.

どうしようどうしようって

What should I do, what should I do?

優柔不断になったりするんですけど

I sometimes become indecisive.

そういうねこう周りを考えるっていうことは

Thinking about those things, like considering the surroundings...

日本人の良さでもあると思うんですけど

I think it's also one of the good qualities of Japanese people.

でももっと自分はどうしたいのか

But what do I want to do more?

自分はどう考えるのかっていう

It's about how I think.

そこをねもっと日々大事にしないと

You need to cherish that more in your daily life.

いけないよなあということをね

It's something that shouldn't be done, right?

思わされたんですね

You were made to think that, weren't you?

本当にこういうことって

Really, things like this...

日頃から意識をしていないと

If you don't consciously pay attention to it on a regular basis,

できなくなっていってしまうんですよね

It gradually becomes impossible to do.

とっさに自分の気持ち

Suddenly, my feelings.

とっさにわかんないってことになっちゃうんですよね

It ends up being that I don't know in the moment.

というようなことをね

Something like that.

本を読んでる時に考えましたね

I thought about it while reading a book.

で同じようなね流れで

In a similar flow, then.

空気を読むっていうところでね

It's about reading the atmosphere.

20世紀のドイツの哲学者のハイデガーが出てくるんですけどね

The 20th-century German philosopher Heidegger comes up, you know.

そこで人は誰しも空気を読んで生きている

There, everyone lives by reading the air.

その時交換可能な存在になってしまう

At that time, I will become an interchangeable existence.

交換取り替える交換することができる

You can replace and exchange it.

そういう存在になってしまうって

It becomes that kind of existence.

指摘してるところがあるんですね

There are some points you are pointing out, aren't there?

で自分らしく生きている状態を本来性

Living in a way that is true to oneself is one's true nature.

これ漢字はね本来の差が

This kanji originally has a difference.

本来の性質の本来性

The original nature of original nature.

自分らしく生きているのを本来性として

Living in a way that is true to oneself is called authenticity.

そうじゃない状態を非本来性とすると

If we define the state of being otherwise as inauthenticity.

人はね世間の中で同調圧力の中で生きている時

People live under social pressure in the world.

みんなの一員

A member of everyone.

誰でもない誰かの一人として

As someone who is not anyone in particular.

常に非本来性の状態にある

Always in a state of inauthenticity.

本来性じゃない状態にある

In a state that is not original.

意思が強い人も個性的な人も

Both strong-willed people and unique individuals.

世間の中では必ず非本来的だということなんですね

It means that it is certainly inauthentic in the eyes of society.

で非本来的そうするとね

So, that's not really the case, then.

本来性のない交換可能な存在になってしまうんですよね

It ends up becoming an interchangeable existence that lacks authenticity.

でも例えば余命が1年ですと言われたら

But for example, if you were told that you have a year to live...

空気を読む生き方が少し変わる

The way of living that reads the air will change a little.

世間からどう思われるかっていうよりも

Rather than worrying about what the world thinks of me,

自分のやりたいことを

What I want to do.

やるだろうと

I thought you would do it.

そういうね指摘が本の中にありまして

There are such observations in the book.

人はいつか死ぬ

People will die someday.

それが1年なのか数十年なのかの違いなだけであって

It's just a difference of whether it's one year or several decades.

そういう自分の人生の有限性っていうのを自覚すると

When you become aware of the limited nature of your own life...

本来性自分らしさを取り戻せる

You can regain your true self.

日本人っていうのはね特に空気を読みがちなんですけど

Japanese people tend to be very sensitive to the atmosphere.

空気を読まない時こそ

It's precisely when you don't read the air.

自分らしさを取り戻せる

You can regain your true self.

自分はかけがえのない子

I am a priceless child.

個人の子ですね子だと思い出せる

It's an individual child; I can recall that it's a child.

そういう話があったところもね印象的でした

That part where there was such a story was impressive too.

あとはねルールによる同調圧力の話で

Then there's the story about the pressure to conform to rules.

ルールそのものの正しさとは関係なく

Regardless of the correctness of the rules themselves.

みんなが従うから従うっていう同調圧力の話のところで

In the part about the pressure to conform because everyone else is following along.

なんか読んでたらね

I was reading something and...

エスカレーターの

Escalator's

一列か二列か問題を思い出したんですね

You remembered the issue of one row or two rows, didn’t you?

お盆にね私新幹線東京駅から名古屋駅まで向かって新幹線で行ったんですけど

During Obon, I took the Shinkansen from Tokyo Station to Nagoya Station.

新幹線のホームに上がるところのその下のところにね

It's under the place where you go up to the Shinkansen platform.

駅員さんがいて声を張り上げてね

The station staff is there, raising their voice.

二列でお進みくださいってね繰り返し言ってるんですね

"They keep saying to proceed in two lines, don't they?"

でもやっぱり右側を開けて

But after all, please open the right side.

上って行く人が8割9割ですよ

About 80 to 90 percent of the people are going up.

でまぁ私はね子供と一緒だったこともあって

Well, I guess I was with my child.

右側に乗ったんだけどね

I got on the right side, you know.

そういう状況だとあれ良かったかなって

In that situation, I wonder if that was a good thing.

私二列って言われて乗ったけど

I was told to take the second row, so I got on.

みんな乗ってないなみたいな

It seems like everyone isn't getting on.

ちょっとソワソワしちゃったりするんですよね

I get a little fidgety sometimes.

でその後ね名古屋の地下鉄で乗り換えをした時に

So after that, when I transferred on the Nagoya subway...

その上りのエスカレーターがね

That escalator going up, you know.

二列ともぎっしり埋まっていたんですよ

Both rows were packed tightly.

ここではね特に駅員さんが声をかけるでもなく

Here, the station staff doesn't particularly say anything to us.

別にそれを監視してるわけでもなく

It's not like I'm monitoring that specifically.

自然にみんな二列で登って行っていたんですよ

Everyone was naturally climbing up in two lines.

昔はね名古屋も左側だけに乗ってたと思うんですけど

I think in the past, Nagoya also had vehicles only on the left side.

今はずいぶん両側で止まって乗るっていうのが徹底をされてるんですね

Now, stopping and getting on from both sides has been thoroughly implemented.

はい

Yes

そこに至るまでには様々ね啓発活動があったっていうことも聞くんですけどね

I hear that there were various awareness activities leading up to that point.

でもガラッと文化ルールが変わっていたんですよ

But the cultural rules had changed drastically.

もうそりゃね二列のが安全だし

Well, it's definitely safer to have two rows.

一列で乗るためにもバカみたいに左側だけに行列ができてる時とかありますよね

Sometimes there are times when a ridiculous line forms only on the left side, just to board in a single line, right?

もう右側空いててね

The right side is already empty.

でも荷物あるからやっぱ左側に並ばなきゃなっていう時

But since I have baggage, I guess I'll have to line up on the left side after all.

もし間違えて右側の方に

If you accidentally go to the right side.

進んじゃったら

If you move forward...

どんな荷物でもね

Any kind of luggage.

重くても子供がいても

Even if it's heavy, even if there are children.

ともかく歩いて登らないといけない空気とかね

Anyway, we have to walk up through the air and such.

ありますよね

It exists, doesn't it?

これもルールそのものの正しさを検討する前に

Before examining the correctness of the rule itself.

右側は急ぐ人のために開けとかないといけないっていうね

The right side should be kept clear for people in a hurry, right?

それにみんなが従う空気感

The atmosphere in which everyone follows along.

これ本来はもうよっぽど急ぐ人は

This is meant for people who are in a real hurry.

階段を使えばいいんですよ

You can just use the stairs.

そういう理屈もあるわけなんですけど

There is that kind of reasoning, but...

ともかく空気感が第一なんですよね

In any case, the atmosphere is the most important thing, isn't it?

そしてねそこに基本的にはもう従う私がいるわけですよ

And basically, there I am, someone who will comply with that.

空気を読むっていうのは

"Reading the air means..."

正しいか正しくないかが分かっていないっていうことでもある

It also means that one does not know whether something is correct or not.

っていうお話もねこれ本にあったんですね

There's actually a story like that in a book, you know.

それねすごく恐ろしいこと

That's really terrifying.

例えばいじめ

For example, bullying.

知らず知らずのうちに暴力に加担することになる

You will unknowingly become complicit in violence.

これねちょっとこれ経験の濃い薄いって

This is about the depth of experience, isn't it?

だったりとかいじめかどうか

Whether it's bullying or something else.

いじめとまではいかないっていう話だとしてもね

Even if it's not exactly bullying, you know?

レベルも種類もいろいろあるにせよ

There are various levels and kinds, after all.

空気を読む

Read the atmosphere.

これ多くの場合は黙っているっていうことになる

In many cases, this means staying silent.

と思うんですけど

I think so, but...

もうこの空気を読むということが

The act of reading the atmosphere has become...

自分の態度として正しかったのかどうか

Whether my attitude was correct or not.

もやもやするした

I feel hazy.

そんな経験

That kind of experience.

皆さんも思い浮かぶ情景があったりしませんか

Don't you all have scenes that come to mind as well?

いや私もちょっと大人になってからのことなんですけど

Well, it's something that happened to me after I became an adult too.

今ねちょっと思い浮かぶ情景があるんですけど

Right now, there's a scene that's coming to mind.

思い浮かぶ情景があるんですけど

There's a scene that comes to mind.

思い浮かぶ情景があるんですよね

There is a scene that comes to mind.

どこに軸を置いて行動するかなんですけど

It's about where to place your axis when taking action.

何も言わないことが得策みたいなね

It seems that not saying anything is the best strategy.

賢いみたいな

Like being smart.

そういう空気って感じることありますよね

You can sometimes feel that kind of atmosphere, can't you?

それを破ってしまってね

I ended up breaking it.

あーこれで良かったかなって

Ah, I wonder if this was the right choice.

また後になってね

See you later.

それはそれでもやもやするっていうこともあるんですけど

Sometimes that can still feel unclear or confusing.

それでもやもやするっていうこともありますしね

There are times when you still feel confused.

というわけでね

So that's how it is.

新書に関しては

Regarding the new book.

実は他にもご紹介したいものがいくつかあるんですけど

Actually, there are a few other things I'd like to introduce.

今回はちょっとこの一冊ということで

This time it's just about this one book.

あんまり本ばかりでもなというのもありまして

I also thought that being too focused on just books isn't ideal.

またね機会を見つけてお話ししたいと思います

I hope to find another opportunity to talk again.

私最近特にね

I've been particularly like that lately.

文系と言われる学問の重要性を感じているんですね

You feel the importance of the humanities, which are often referred to as liberal arts.

まあね文系と言われる学問の重要性を感じているんですね

Well, you feel the importance of the humanities, which are often referred to as liberal arts.

理系を分けるのがもう古いっていう話もありますけど

There are also talks about how separating fields like science and engineering is already outdated.

それは一旦置いておいてお話をすると

Putting that aside for a moment, to continue the conversation...

正直ね自分も大学の学部は文系なんですけど

To be honest, I also have a liberal arts major in college.

世の中に役立っているのは理系なのかなっていう意識ってね

I wonder if it's the science and engineering fields that are truly helpful to society.

やっぱうっすらとあったんですよね

I knew there was something faintly there, after all.

まあねやっぱり理系の学問の方が

Well, I guess the sciences are more...

役立ち方が目に見える場合から

From cases where usefulness is visible.

多いのかなっていう感じもするしね

I get the feeling that there might be a lot, you know.

そういうのがあったんですけど

There was something like that.

でも世の中がどう便利になっていくかとか

But how convenient the world will become.

科学的な解明とかね

Scientific explanation, you know?

もちろんそういうことも大事なんですけど

Of course, those things are important too.

どう生きるかっていうこともね

It's about how to live.

すごく大事で

It's really important.

それには今の社会を読み解いたりとか

This involves interpreting or understanding the current society.

過去の社会に学んだりするっていうことで

Learning from past societies.

そのためのねヒントをね

For that, here are some hints.

ヒントが得られる

You can get hints.

それは文系の学問だったりするんですよね

That's a field of study in the humanities, you know.

最近はね読みやすい新書も多いですし

Recently, there are many easy-to-read new books.

できれば子供にも読んでほしいんですけど

I would like children to read it if possible.

まだねそういうのを積極的に読むっていう

I'm still actively reading those kinds of things.

そういうようなね様子は

Such a situation is like that.

うーんまああまり見られないかな

Hmm, well, I guess it's not something you see often.

というところなんですけど

That's what I'm saying.

押し付けずね

Don't force it.

でもおすすめはしていきたいなと思います

But I would like to recommend it.

最後まで聞いてくださって

Thank you for listening until the end.

どうもありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

小説もねちょこちょこ読んでましてね

I've been reading some novels here and there.

最近だと豊臣の世襲とか

Recently, there has been talk about the Toyotomi succession.

あと浅井亮さんの死に甲斐を求めて生きているの

"I'm living in search of meaning in Ryo Asai's death."

とか

"Like that" or "or something like that"

辻村瑞希さんのね

It's about Mizuki Tsujiura.

この夏の星を見る

Watching the stars this summer.

これもねやっと読みました

I finally read this too.

夏休みはねむしろ時間がなかったのでね

I didn't have much time during summer vacation.

まあ読書の秋

Well, it's the season for reading.

できればね時間を見つけて楽しんでいきたいと思います

If possible, I would like to find time and enjoy myself.

白心の井戸端番組職業主婦です

I am a housewife on a talk show called "Heartfelt Chat."

もしよかったら番組のフォローをお願いします

If you don't mind, please follow the program.

新しいエピソードが追加されて

A new episode has been added.

聞いていただきやすくなりますし

It will be easier for you to listen.

私の励みになります

It encourages me.

星の評価もいただけたら嬉しいです

I would be happy to receive a star rating as well.

ご意見ご感想などメッセージも

Messages such as your opinions and feedback are welcome.

フォームやインスタグラムで

On forms and Instagram.

ぜひお気軽にお送りください

Please feel free to send it.

それではまた

See you again.

ご視聴ありがとうございました

Thank you for watching.