【3-4】Day2 眠気、痛み、時々呼吸。

アスペルガーオッドでビパッサナー瞑想者の堀田さんと

Mr. Horita, an Asperger's oddity and Vipassana meditation practitioner.

ビパッサナー瞑想10日間コースに行ってみた奥さん

My wife went to a 10-day Vipassana meditation course.

離婚前談義

Pre-Divorce Discussion

ビパッサナー瞑想編

Vipassana Meditation Edition

はい年に1回10日間の瞑想修行へ行き

Yes, I go on a 10-day meditation retreat once a year.

それ以外の日は1日に2時間の瞑想

On days other than that, meditate for two hours a day.

そんなことする時間があったら子供の面倒見ろや

"If you have time to do that, take care of the kids."

と思っていた奥さんが

I thought my wife was...

ビパッサナー瞑想10日間コースに参加した体験を語る

Sharing my experience of participating in a 10-day Vipassana meditation course.

インターネットラジオ番組

Internet radio program

離婚前談義ビパッサナー瞑想編

Pre-Divorce Discussion: Vipassana Meditation Edition

私が奥さんを苦しめている現況

The current situation where I am causing my wife suffering.

アスペルガーハズボンドで

Asperger's Husband.

ハズボンド

Husband

ビパッサナー瞑想者の堀田さんです

This is Mr. Horita, a Vipassana meditator.

ちょっとあれですね

Well, that's a bit of a problem.

ハズバンドとビパッサナーとこの辺がちょっと

I'm not sure about the husband and Vipassana in this area.

綺麗に言おうとしてミスっていることがちょいちょいありますね

There are moments when you try to say it nicely but end up making mistakes.

疲労でこうなっているのか

Is it like this because of fatigue?

疲労か

Is it fatigue?

口が回りませんでしたね

I couldn't get my words out.

そんな堀田さんの妻奥さんです

That's Mr. Hotta's wife.

このラジオは堀田さんと奥さんが

This radio is with Mr. Hotta and his wife.

ビパッサナー瞑想10日間コースに参加した体験を語ってみる番組です

This is a program where I share my experience of participating in a 10-day Vipassana meditation course.

あくまでも僕たちの主観というか

It's just our subjective opinion, after all.

僕たちが思ったことを語るだけで

Just by talking about what we think.

その通りです

That's right.

人それぞれ思うことはきっと違うと

Surely, everyone has different thoughts.

全然違うと思いますこれは特に

I think this is completely different, especially.

そうなんです

That's right.

参考程度に聞いてください

Please take this as a reference.

はい

Yes

前回はデイワン1日目ですね

Last time was Day One.

朝4時半から1日中10.5時間ぐらいしたっけ

I guess I worked for about 10.5 hours from 4:30 in the morning.

確か計算したよね

I'm sure you calculated it, right?

計算したら10.5ぐらいでしたね

When I calculated it, it was about 10.5.

なんと長時間

What a long time!

当然休憩はありますが

Of course, there are breaks.

10.5時間ぐらい1日中瞑想して

Meditate for about 10.5 hours all day long.

足がすごい痛い

My legs are really painful.

そしてお題は自分の呼吸に気づき続けましょうと

And the theme is to continue being aware of your own breathing.

はい

Yes

なんですかそれみたいな

What is that supposed to be?

それがパッと聞き簡単そうなんですけど

It sounds simple at first glance, but...

めっちゃ難しかったっていうところまでお話ししました

I talked about how it was super difficult.

今日は2日目デイ2です

Today is Day 2.

はい

Yes

デイワンは多分お互いたまたまたぶん鐘を鳴らす人が

Day one, perhaps we'll both coincidentally be the bell ringers.

おそらく寝坊してか忘れてて

Probably overslept or forgot.

鳴りませんでした

It didn't ring.

4時の

4 o'clock

鐘がね

The bell sound.

鳴るはずの4時の鐘

The bell that should ring at 4 o'clock.

あの鐘は鳴りませんでした

The bell did not ring.

2日目鳴ったんですよ

It rang on the second day.

鳴ったんですよ

It rang.

だから全然起きれた

So I was able to wake up at all.

今日鳴るんやみたいな

It seems like it will ring today.

やっぱ昨日がおかしかったやん

Yesterday was definitely strange after all.

そうそうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right!

初日は寝かしてくれるのかなみたいな

I wonder if they'll let me sleep on the first day.

分かんなくて会話できないから分かんなくて

I don't understand, so I can't have a conversation because I don't understand.

ただただ10日間モードに鐘を鳴らす人が入ってなかったやと思う

I just think that there wasn't anyone ringing the bell in the 10-day mode.

はい

Yes

で

And

えっと

Well...

えっとねデイワンとの違いに僕はすぐ気づきました

Well, I quickly noticed the difference from Day One.

はい

Yes

あ鳴ったやった

Ah, it rang! Yay!

うっ

Ugh

この意味はですね

The meaning of this is that...

背中が痛いです

My back hurts.

ほうほうほう

Hoh hoh hoh.

マジで

Seriously.

この2日目起きて

I woke up on this second day.

やべ

Oh no!

背中にめっちゃ負担かかっとったよなみたいな

It felt like a lot of pressure was on my back, you know?

あー座ってる姿勢が

Ah, the sitting posture is...

普段座るってやっぱ地べたに

I usually sit on the ground, after all.

なんかあぐらかいて1日10.5時間とか座らないって

I don't sit cross-legged for about 10.5 hours a day or anything.

座らないですね

You won't sit down, huh?

これ背もたれがないって

This doesn't have a backrest.

うんうんうん

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

背もたれ分背中の筋肉が頑張っとるんですよ

The muscles in my back are working hard due to the backrest.

なるほど

I see.

うん

Yeah.

ほんで起きた瞬間にその10.5時間なんて俺やったことないからみたいな感じで

And then, as soon as I woke up, I was like, “I’ve never done anything like that 10.5 hours before.”

背中がめっちゃ痛いんです

My back really hurts.

うんうんうん

Yes, yes, yes.

そんなことない?

Is that not true?

なんかねもうあんまり覚えてなくて

I don't really remember much anymore.

2日目

Day 2

うん2日でもベッドがねあんまりこう

Yeah, even after two days, the bed isn't really like this.

硬かった

It was hard.

質の良いものでは

Ones of good quality.

あっていうかベッドが悪いっていうか

Well, it's either the bed that's bad or...

その木の硬いベッドが

The hard bed of that tree.

ただおかずを動かして Hartfordに

Just move the side dish to Hartford.

ただただ布団が一枚

Just a single futon.

そのだからベッドマットみたいのはなく

So there's no thing like a bed mat.

ただ布団一枚ボンて敷いてるだけなんで

It's just that I'm only laying down a futon.

硬いんですよ

It's stiff, you know.

下がまだあのね畳とかだったら

If the bottom part were still tatami mats or something...

もうちょっと良かったと思うんですけど

I think it could have been a little better.

普通の板に布団直だったんで

Since the futon was placed directly on a regular board.

体は痛かったですね

My body was sore, wasn't it?

でも背中が猛烈な痛みとかはなかった

But there was no extreme pain in my back.

なるほど

I see.

だから寝心地ぐらい

So, it's about the comfort of sleeping.

らなーってちょっとねまあでも 修行だもんねって

"Well, it's training after all."

そうなんかね教えの中でもえっと 豪華なベッドで寝るなみたいな

Is that so? It’s like one of the teachings that says not to sleep on a luxurious bed.

そうそうそうあったんですよそう だからあそうかあえてなんだって

Yeah, yeah, that happened. So, I see, that's why...

お前ら疲労取りにここに来とるん じゃねーやそんな感じなのかもし

You guys aren't just coming here to relieve fatigue, are you? It might feel that way.

れないね

I can't do it.

でもこっちとしてはね生まれて 初めて1日10.5時間の瞑想した次の

But for us, you know, it was right after the first time I meditated for 10.5 hours in a day since I was born.

日ぐらいちょっとその日かその日 ぐらいちょっと快適に眠りたい

I just want to sleep a little comfortably for a day or so.

ぜって思うんですけどね

I definitely think so, you know.

かといってあの無印の人をダメ にするクッションみたいなで寝ても

That said, even if I sleep on a cushion that makes that person from Muji feel bad...

それはそれで金なっても起きれん よ

Even if it becomes money, I still can't get up.

あーそうかもしれないですね

Ah, that might be true.

そういう意味もあるかもね

That might have a meaning like that too.

やだやだやだやだ行きたくない ってなるかもしれないですね

I might feel like saying, "I don't want to go, I don't want to go, I don't want to go."

そうまあ例えて言うとなんだろう ねえっとあこれはやめとこうか

Well, if I were to give an analogy, what would it be... um, let's just not go there.

この台本のやつ

This is the script thing.

あーこれはちょっと伝わりにくいん じゃないですか

Ah, isn't this a bit difficult to convey?

やめときましょうかね

Shall we stop?

はい

Yes

ちょっと

Just a moment.

台本すっきり前に書いてあった のでちょっと申し訳ありません

I had written the script clearly beforehand, so I apologize a bit.

野球選手に例えようと今してたん ですけど多分これはわからない

I was trying to compare it to a baseball player, but I probably don't understand this.

私もわからないしわかる人の方 が

I don’t understand either, and those who do understand are...

少ないか

Is it few?

少ないと思うんで例えましょう

I think it's少ない, so let me give you an example.

あーなるほどまあ一応言っとこう かね

Ah, I see. Well, I guess I should mention it just in case.

どうぞ

Please.

なんていうかねこの座り方について 僕が当時書いたのが要はこの背

I mean, what I wrote back then about this sitting posture is basically about this back.

もたれ付きの椅子に座るのとこの

Sitting in a chair with a backrest and this.

ね瞑想の会場で座るのとどう違う かを例えてるんですねわかりやすく

It's comparing how it's different from sitting in a meditation venue, making it easy to understand.

和式と洋式ぐらいうんあのうんこ するスタイルで言うと違うと

In terms of styles for using the bathroom, the Japanese style and Western style are quite different.

であのプロ野球の名キャッチャー 谷茂元信さんっていう一番キャッチャー

So, the top catcher in professional baseball, Mr. Shigenobu Tani.

として試合数出てるんじゃない ですかね

Aren't there a number of matches being played?

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

でこの方がよく言われるのがあの 便器が洋式になったからあのキャッチャー

What is often said by this person is that the toilet has become Western-style, so the catcher...

の足腰が弱くなったよと

"My legs and back have become weaker."

へー

Oh really?

和式で育ったから強いんじゃん みたいな感じの

It's like saying I grew up in a traditional Japanese way, so I'm strong.

へー

Oh really?

そんなそれと近いかなと思いました

I thought it was something close to that.

そんなこと言ってたんですね

I didn't know you were saying that.

背もたれに座っとるからお前ら 弱いんじゃんみたいな

"You're sitting back, so that's why you guys are weak."

なるほどなるほど

I see, I see.

かなーってなんかあ痛ってと思 けたら谷茂元信さんそういえば

I was thinking about something and suddenly it hurt, and then I remembered Mr. Tani Shigemoto.

みたいなのをあの僕は京都で思 ってました

I was thinking about something like that in Kyoto.

だいたいあれですね野球選手の ことばっか考えてるんですね

Basically, you're just thinking about baseball players all the time, aren't you?

そうやっぱり

I knew it.

おじさんは

The uncle is

そうやね

That's right.

はい

Yes

全然

Not at all.

家族のことをこう

About family like this.

思ってみたりとか

Like I’ve been thinking, or something like that.

すみません

Excuse me.

全然ないですね

There's none at all.

はい申し訳ない

Yes, I'm sorry.

はーいでーす大丈夫でーす

Yes, it's alright!

であとはねあの背中に加えて足 も痛かったですねそれは奥さん

And also, in addition to my back, my legs hurt as well, you know, dear.

もどうでした

How was it?

もうあんまりね痛かったって覚え はないんですよね

I don't really remember it being that painful anymore.

あっ

Ah.

好きやな

I like you.

空手行ってるから

Because I'm practicing karate.

なるほどそれもあって

I see, that's part of it too.

まあまあ関係ないと思うけどな

Well, I don't think it really matters though.

人それぞれやなこのへんもな

It's different for each person, isn't it?

うん

Yeah.

空手行ってるから

Because I'm doing karate.

うん

Yeah.

空手行ってるから

Because I'm practicing karate.

なるほどそれもあって

I see, that's also the reason.

まあまあ関係ないと思うけどな

Well, I don't think it really matters, though.

人それぞれやなこの辺もな

It varies from person to person around here too.

うん

Yeah.

空手行ってるから

Because I'm doing karate.

うんこの辺もな

This area is also about poop.

うん体はむちゃくちゃしんどい ってことは多分10日間中なかった

Yeah, my body is really exhausted. That probably hasn't happened in the last 10 days.

と思う

"I think."

おお

Oh!

あとね4日目か5日目ぐらいに腹痛 に襲われた日があってその日ぐらい

And then, on around the fourth or fifth day, there was a day when I was hit by stomach pains, about that day.

かな

Kana

ええ

Yeah.

しかも別に体の何足が痛い手が 痛いとかじゃなくて

Moreover, it's not that any particular part of my body, like my legs or hands, hurts or anything.

なるほど

I see.

うん

Yeah.

そうか人それぞれですね

I see, everyone is different.

そうですね

That's right.

うん分かりました

Okay, I understand.

うん

Yeah.

眠気とか朝大丈夫だった

I was okay with sleepiness and in the morning.

2日目はまあ眠いは眠いですけど でも十分なくらいその寝る時間は

On the second day, I am indeed sleepy, but I have had enough sleep during that time.

あるんで

It exists.

あそっか

Oh, I see.

9時半にね寝ていいし私寝つき とても良いので

It's fine to sleep at 9:30, and I'm a very good sleeper.

いいね確かに

That's definitely true.

はいなんで朝眠すぎっていうこと も基本的になかったかな

Yes, I generally didn't have a reason to feel too sleepy in the morning.

なるほど

I see.

早とは思ってましたよだって 朝起きて洗顔洗顔ってちょっと

I thought it was early, you know? I mean, waking up in the morning and washing my face... it's just a bit much.

歯磨きに行ったりするのに

Going to brush my teeth, for example.

行くね

I'm going.

一回外出なきゃいけないじゃない ですかそうするともうまだ星出てん

I have to go out once, right? In that case, the stars are still out.

ですよ

That's right.

出とったね

You went out, didn't you?

そう星が出てるからいくらなんでも 星出とんやぞみたいなことは思って

"Well, the stars are out, so I can't help but think that there are stars shining brightly."

ましたけどああ今日もかみたいな

I did it, but it feels like today is just another one of those days.

なるほどですねそうか僕の場合 は結構眠気との戦いが2日目から入って

I see, in my case, the battle with sleepiness really starts from the second day.

きたから初日は結構緊張感もあって そうですね

Since it was the first day I came, there was quite a bit of tension. Yes.

眠くなかったんですけどなんで なんだろうな足が痛いからそれが

I wasn't sleepy, but I wonder why my legs hurt.

着付けになって起き続けれるか っていうとそうでもなくて

It's not necessarily the case that I can stay awake while doing the kimono dressing.

眠気には加点ですよね

Sleepiness is a plus, isn't it?

もうろうとしながら眠気ででも こう痛いみたいな最後に呼吸忘れ

In a daze and feeling sleepy, it’s like pain, and in the end, I forgot to breathe.

取ったなみたいなでもまた足痛 なってまた眠くなってみたいな

It feels like I’ve taken something, but then my leg starts hurting again, and I feel sleepy again, you know?

眠気痛み

Drowsiness pain

あとたまに時々呼吸みたいな

Sometimes, it feels like breathing.

いや呼吸メインのはずなんやけど みたいな

No, it should be mainly about breathing, or something like that.

そうそうそう本当はねそれだけ なんですけどね

That's right, that's really all there is to it.

全然あれ全然呼吸アニッチャー ウッドサンカーラってね

I have no idea what that is, it's totally outside my understanding.

救いの休憩の鐘

The bell of salvation's respite.

やったーと同時に全然できんかった みたいな

I can’t believe I did it all at once, but it feels like I didn’t do anything at all.

そうですねそうそうそうそれも ある

That's right, yes, yes, yes, that's also the case.

でただこのアニッチャーが流れて からは全然眠くないんですよ

But since this Aniccha has been playing, I haven't felt sleepy at all.

うんうんうんうんうん

Mm mm mm mm mm

やったーみたいな終わりは終わり は意外と長いんですけど

The kind of ending that feels like "Yay!" actually tends to be quite long.

そうですね

That's right.

どんだけ朝が一番長い気がする

It feels like the morning is the longest.

そう長いです長いですなんか体感 230分

It's really long, it feels like 230 minutes.

鋭いね俺これ法師側で行った時に こんな手前から流れとったんや

You're sharp! I remember when I went on the priest's side, the flow was just like this from so close.

ってびっくりしたその法師側や と朝ごはんの用意しとる時にその

I was surprised when I was preparing breakfast and saw that monk.

ねキッチンで流れるんですよなんか ラストちょっとだけ流れとるんか

You know, it’s flowing in the kitchen, right? It’s just flowing a little at the end.

と思っとったらこんな手前から 流れとったんやみたいな

I thought it was flowing from way back, but it turns out it was coming from this point.

ね

Hey!

なんか他の時間もその瞑想の終わり 終わりにアニッチャーって言うん

I somehow say "Anicca" at the end of that meditation during other times too.

ですけど朝だけすごい長いんですよ

But the morning is really long.

長めやね

It's a bit long, isn't it?

うん

Yeah.

朝長いっすからね

It's a long morning, isn't it?

それは思ってました

I was thinking that.

2時間

2 hours

だから朝はいや来たけど気を抜く なってちょっと思ってました3日目

So I really didn't want to come in the morning, but I was a bit thinking I should relax on the third day.

ぐらいからは

"From around..."

素晴らしい賢いっすね

That's wonderfully clever!

僕は全然気づいてませんでした

I didn't notice at all.

やったーって

I did it!

あれでもなんか長ぇなみたいな 気のせいからアニッチャーから

It feels a bit long, doesn’t it? It’s just my imagination, or maybe from my brother.

始まっとるから

It's already started.

時々すごいポンコツになります よねみたさんね

Sometimes you become really clumsy, right, Mitami-san?

うんすごいね簡単な算数できん とかとかね

Yeah, that's amazing, you can do simple math and stuff like that.

うんそうそうそうそうそうなんか 信じられない訳のわからないなんか

Yeah, that's right, something unbelievable and incomprehensible.

ルートの計算とかなんか私には もう意味のわからない計算とかできる

I can perform calculations like route calculations and other calculations that I no longer understand.

のに8たす6を間違えたりとかあります よね

You sometimes make mistakes like adding 8 and 6, right?

ピントがピントが合ってないよね たぶんねそん時で

The focus isn't right, is it? Probably at that time.

ピント

Pint

そこの難易度にピントが合ってないん たぶん頭の

The difficulty there doesn't seem to be in focus, probably in my head.

うーんちょっとよくわからない けどそういうことがあるよね

Hmm, I don't really understand it well, but those things do happen, right?

ありますね

It exists, doesn't it?

うんはいでこの救いの鐘が鳴って でやっていきましたとで2日目の

Yes, this salvation bell rang, and I managed to get through the second day.

テーマはですねたぶん最初やから っていうのもあると思うんですけど

The theme is probably because it's the beginning.

うんうん

Yeah, yeah.

えっと初日と同じで

Um, just like on the first day.

同じでしたね

It was the same, wasn't it?

お題は変更なし

The topic remains unchanged.

はい

Yes

自分の呼吸に気づき続けるでたぶん 夜までやっとった気がしますね

I feel like I've been aware of my breathing until probably nighttime.

うん

Yeah.

はいで具体的な指示としては繰り返し になりますけど

Yes, as for the specific instructions, it will be repetitive, but...

うん

Yeah.

まあ瞑想のそれぞれのターンの 最初にご縁起きをしていただき

Well, please make an auspicious offering at the beginning of each turn of meditation.

たいと思います

I think I want to.

最初にご縁起さんのねえーっと keep calm and quiet mindみたいな感じ

First, it’s like the connection with "keep calm and quiet mind."

で落ち着いてやれよという感じ で言った後にえーっとオブザーブ

It feels like they're saying to take it easy, and then after that, they said, "Um, observe."

せよと

"Do it."

うん

Yeah.

なんか英語で言ってその後日本語 で働きなさい観察しなさいみたい

"Say something in English, then work in Japanese and observe, it feels like."

な

Na

言いますね

I will say it.

うんで自分の呼吸を観察しなさい と

"Now, observe your own breath."

はい

Yes

息が右の鼻の穴を通るのか左の 穴を通るのかもしくは両方の鼻

Does the breath pass through the right nostril, the left nostril, or both?

の穴を通るのか

"Does it go through the hole?"

はい

Yes

それに気づいてみなさいと

"Try to notice that."

うん

Yeah.

はい

Yes

たまに鼻詰まっとったらどうしたら いいみたいな質問したりと

Sometimes I ask questions like what to do if my nose is blocked.

思って

Thinking.

面白いですね

It's interesting, isn't it?

でもなるべく鼻でやってっていう 感じで返すとき

But when I respond, I try to do it as much as possible with my nose.

なんであそこなんだ

Why there?

気がする

I have a feeling.

笑

Laughter

うん鼻詰まりのひどい人はちょっと どうしようって感じなんですけど

Yeah, it makes me feel a bit unsure about what to do with someone who has really bad nasal congestion.

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

でえーっと昨日の最後あっ夜にね 最後あの質問ができるんですよ

Well, at the end of yesterday, at night, I was able to ask the final question.

ね

Right?

僕が知ったのが頭の中で言葉を唱えてはいけないんですけどね

I shouldn't be chanting words in my head that I know.

それについて質問して思い浮かんでもすぐに感覚に集中しなさいみたいな

"Like, even if you come up with a question about it, you should focus on your feelings immediately."

思い浮かんでしまったことはもうしょうがないからすぐ呼吸に戻りなさいっていうような感じですよね

It's like saying there's no helping it once it comes to mind, so just return to your breathing right away.

要はその思い浮かんだのも感覚でしょうみたいな感じなのかもしれない

In short, it might be that the idea that came to mind is just a feeling.

思考とかもね

Thinking and such.

でもどうしても頭の中に実況の言葉とかね

But no matter what, words of commentary just get stuck in my head.

今感覚気づいとるわとかね

Right now, I'm aware of my senses.

そうなんですよ止まらないんですわこれが

That's right, I just can't stop this.

呼吸の実況はすぐ終わっちゃって

The live commentary on breathing will soon be over.

いつぞやの記憶やら言葉やら将来の妄想やら言葉やら

Memories from some time ago, words, delusions of the future, and words.

こればっかり

This is all there is.

本当にそうです

That's really true.

私はね1日目2日目は

On the first and second days, I...

えっと

Um...

1日目はもうただただ打つ状態で来ちゃってるんでこっちに

On the first day, I've just come here in a state of just hitting.

もうただただつらい

It's just really painful.

つらいつらいつらい

It's painful, it's painful, it's painful.

こんなことして何になる

What good will doing something like this do?

キダはいいけど

Kida is good, but...

こんな座るだけで何になる

What good does just sitting do?

現実を変えてくれるのか

Will you change reality?

いいなみたいな

It seems nice.

喧嘩越しやねん

It's a fight, isn't it?

瞑想に対して

Regarding meditation.

2日目もだいたい多分そんな感じでしたね

The second day was probably more or less the same.

でだんだんだんだんもっともっと過去のことに

And gradually, more and more into the past.

どんどんどんどん自分の気持ちがきて

My feelings are coming on stronger and stronger.

子供が生まれ

A child is born.

でももう生まれた時から私はもうこんな小さき生き物を育てられるのかって不安だった

But even since I was born, I have been worried about whether I can raise such a small creature.

不安だったのにさらにそこになんか

Even though I was anxious, something further happened there.

低粒高がんっていうね

It's called low-grade invasive cancer.

あれは病気と言ったらいいのか

Should I call that an illness?

生まれつきのものだったんですよね

It was something I was born with, wasn't it?

これちょっと解説するとなんか男子の1%ぐらいに起こるらしいですけど

Just to explain this a bit, it seems to happen to about 1% of boys.

なんか金玉がこう

It feels like my testicles are like this...

なんか定位置におらずフラフラすると

When you're not in your usual spot and are wandering around.

そう袋の中に収まってない子が100人に1人ぐらいいるらしくて

It seems that about 1 in 100 children don't fit into the bag.

で本来はあの1歳児献身とかそういうので気づかれるはずなんですけど

Originally, one should have noticed through things like the devotion of a one-year-old child.

多分ね出たり入ったりするタイプの子だったんじゃないかなと思うんです

I think she was probably the type of girl who would come and go.

移動清掃とかって確か言うんですけど

I believe it's called mobile cleaning or something like that.

で気づかれなくて3歳ぐらいまで

Until around the age of 3 without being noticed.

3歳の時に親ないぞって先生が言ってて

When I was three years old, the teacher said I didn't have parents.

ない?

Not there?

ってなってで結局手術をね

So in the end, I had to undergo surgery.

3歳4歳?

3 years old, 4 years old?

でそうしたんですよ

So that's what I did.

その時も私なんでもっと早く気づいてあげられなかったんだって

At that time, I also thought, why couldn't I realize it sooner?

もうこの手術って早ければ早いほどいいんですって

They say that the sooner you have this surgery, the better.

でまぁちょっと詳細は省きますけどそういうことがあって

Well, I'll skip the details, but that's what happened.

そういう記憶とかでそっからまた発達障害じゃないかみたいなのも

It's like those memories make you wonder if it's a developmental disorder again.

でもなんかもっと小さい時から保育園の先生とかに

"But somehow, even from a younger age, I was told by my nursery teachers..."

あのみんなと一緒のことができないですとか

I can't do things together with everyone.

言葉の教室みたいのをなんか進めてくれる

It seems like they are recommending some kind of language classroom.

なんとなくねぼんやりねこう伝えてくれ先生がいたのに

Somehow, even though there was a teacher who vaguely conveyed this to me.

私はいつか追いつくだろうとか

I will catch up someday.

早生まれだからとか

Because I'm born early, or something like that.

周りもねそうやって言ってくれてたから

Because others were saying the same thing.

なんかそうやって見て見ぬふりを私がしてきたから今

It's because I have been turning a blind eye to things like that until now.

うわああああみたいな

Something like "Whoa" or "Oh my gosh"!

僕のせいでみたいな

It feels like it's my fault.

そうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right.

もうずっとそのどんどんね成長生まれてからで

It has been growing rapidly ever since it was born.

なんかさらに言えば

If I were to say more...

生まれた時とかから

Since I was born.

どんどんどんどん

Little by little, steadily.

だからどういう順番だったかは

So I'm not sure what the order was.

覚えてないんですけど

I don't remember.

ひたすらに過去の

Endlessly of the past.

反数が止まらなくて

The negative numbers won't stop.

それもうまくいかなかったこと

That also didn't go well.

オンリーで楽しかったことも

There were also fun things that were only experienced.

きっとあるはずなんだよ

Surely there must be something.

でも一切出てこないで

But don't come out at all.

辛いばかりだみたいな

It feels like it's just painful.

っていう

That is to say.

呼吸?知らねえよ呼吸なんか

Breathing? I don't know anything about breathing.

みたいな

Like

でも一応真面目な自分の部分

But still, it's a serious part of myself.

もあるんで

"because there is also..."

言われたようにやればもしかしたら

If you do it as you were told, maybe...

この辛さが

This spiciness is

少しは変わるのかもしれない

It might change a little.

でちょっと集中するんだけど

I'm going to focus for a bit.

だんだんだんだん

Gradually, gradually.

みたいな

Like that.

っていう葛藤でしたね

That was the conflict, wasn't it?

相変わらずそこに行きますね

You still go there as always, huh?

正直ずっとでしたよ

Honestly, it lasted a long time.

そんな

"That's so."

二日目の奥さんの頭の中ですが

It's about the wife's thoughts on the second day.

ちょっとしつこいようですが

I know this might be a bit persistent, but...

もうちょっとこの定流交換について

A little more about this constant flow exchange.

もうちょっと補足したくて

I want to add a little more detail.

した

Did it.

なんでこの玉袋に

Why is it in this pouch?

金玉がないとダメなのっていうのは

It's no good if you don't have balls.

特に女性の方はピンとこないかもしれないんで

Especially women might not feel it.

男性の方はピンとくるかなと思うんですけど

I think men might resonate with this.

金玉

Testicles

精子にとって

For sperm

精子のいる場所なんですけど

It's a place where sperm is found.

金玉が

Testicles.

金玉にとって最適な温度というのが

The optimal temperature for testicles is...

どうも体温よりちょっと低い温度ぐらい

It feels like a temperature just a little lower than body temperature.

らしいですよね

It seems that way, doesn't it?

なので男性の金玉袋っていうのは

So the male scrotum is

暑ければだらーんと

If it's hot, then just relax.

だるだるの状態になって

Getting into a sluggish state.

寒いとキュッといなり寿司のような

When it's cold, it's like tightly wrapped inari sushi.

この

This

なんていうんですかね

What should I say?

カチッとこう

Like this, with a snap.

なるほど

I see.

体側にヒュッと

A swift movement to the side.

もっと温度をくれと

Give me more temperature.

なるんですよね

It becomes, doesn't it?

あーなるほど

Ah, I see.

ほんでだから金玉が玉袋のところに

So that's why the testicles are in the scrotum.

低位置におらずに

Not in a low position.

フラフラしているイコール

Being unsteady or wavering.

内側におるんですよ

I'm inside.

内側暑いんですよ

It's hot inside, you know.

そうするとなんかそれでうまく金玉が育たず

Then somehow the testicles don't grow well because of that.

最悪ガンっぽい感じになるとかね

It feels like it might end up being the worst kind of cancer or something.

そういう話だったと思います

I think that was the story.

はいでしたね

Yes, it was.

なので世の男児の親御様

So to the parents of boys in the world,

そうビビらすつもりじゃないんですよこれは

I'm not trying to scare you with this.

生まれた暁には金玉が

When born, the testicles will be.

右の袋に入っているか

Is it in the bag on the right?

左の袋にも入っているか

Is it also in the left bag?

気づき続けてください

Please continue to be aware.

うまく絡めてきましたね

You managed to intertwine things well.

うまいこと絡めてきました

You've managed to weave it together skillfully.

うまいこと絡めてきましたね

You've managed to weave it in cleverly, haven't you?

全く台本になかったんですけどうまいこと

It wasn't written in the script at all, but it worked out nicely.

デイツーもう終わろうかなこれで

I think I'll end Day Two here.

そうですねちょっとあまりに綺麗に

Well, it's just a bit too beautiful.

っていうのはちょっと番組の趣旨としておかしいかなと思うんで

I think that's a bit strange for the purpose of the program.

もうちょっと続けましょうか

Shall we continue a little longer?

ちゃんと台本にもなった

It has properly turned into a script.

2日目ですね

It's the second day, isn't it?

僕にとっては奥さんは足あんまり痛くないとか

For me, my wife doesn't have much pain in her feet.

やっぱりね僕は足が痛すぎて

I knew it, my legs hurt too much.

やっぱり2日目のテーマ

After all, the theme for the second day.

座り方改革

Sitting Style Reform

個人的なテーマってことですね

So it's a personal theme.

を定めましてこれだと

"Determine this."

これをやらんと

I have to do this.

俺はデイテンまで持たんと思って

I don't think I can last until daytime.

でえっとね

Well, um...

まずはあぐらを書くときに

First, when writing in a cross-legged position.

右足左足どっち上にするか問題みたいな

It's like the issue of whether to put your right foot or left foot up.

ありますねありますね

There is, yes, there is.

でこれ利き手と一緒で

It's the same as my dominant hand.

なんかどっちが上上下が楽かみたいな

It feels like which one is easier to go up and down.

自然とこっち楽やなみたいな

It feels easier to be here with nature, doesn't it?

あるじゃないですか

Isn't there?

でそれを

So that...

自然な方でやっとったんですけど

I was doing it in a natural way.

勇気を出してちょっと短めのターンで

Gather your courage and make a slightly shorter turn.

逆でやってみたんですよね

I tried doing it the other way around.

ちょっと勇気いりますよね

It takes a little courage, doesn't it?

これだって途中でさ変えにくい

It's difficult to change this halfway through.

わかります

I understand.

最初の方は痛すぎたら組み替えていいよ

If it hurts too much at first, you can rearrange it.

崩していいよとか言われるんですけど

I've been told that it's okay to break it down, but...

僕割と真面目にやるタイプなんで

I'm the type to take things quite seriously.

割とそんなことせずに

Without really doing such things.

なるべくやっとったんですよね

I was doing my best as much as possible.

1時間耐える

Endure for one hour.

はいで結果から言うと

Yes, to get straight to the point.

足組み替えても

Even if I change my leg position.

何も変わらない

Nothing changes.

どっちでも痛いわみたいな

It hurts either way, you know.

はいはいはいはい

Yes yes yes yes

そう

Yes.

ほんであとは微妙に足の位置変えてみたいな

And then I want to subtly change the position of my feet.

うんうんわかりました

Yeah, I understand.

なんとかね

Just somehow.

なんとかもうちょっと呼吸の方に

Somehow, a little more towards breathing.

意識を持っていけない

I can't keep my consciousness.

痛みよりも

More than pain

でもねこれね

But you see, this...

ちょっと笑顔と思っても

Even if you think it's just a little smile.

ずらしても

Even if I shift it.

結局変わらない

It doesn’t change in the end.

中盤以降はね

From the middle of the game onwards.

もうとにかく痛い

It's just so painful, anyway.

痛い痛い

It hurts, it hurts.

でも谷繁選手

But player Tanishige

あの時やっぱりおはしきがとか

At that time, I knew I wanted to use chopsticks, after all.

うわ違う

Wow, that's not it.

みたいな

Like that.

そう

That's right.

全然ダメだった

It was completely no good.

なるほどね

I see.

奥さんの

Your wife’s

私も

Me too.

私はまあ一応1時間は耐えられる感じだったんで

I was able to hold out for about an hour, I guess.

足に関してはね

Regarding the feet, you know...

ずっと腰とか痛かったですけど

I've had back pain for a long time.

それもだんだん慣れてきたかな

I guess I've gotten used to that gradually.

多分体がだんだん

Maybe the body is gradually...

この姿勢ならそんな痛くないぜっていうのを

If you adopt this posture, it won't hurt as much.

体が多分勝手に模索

The body is probably searching on its own.

なるほど

I see.

し始めて

"start doing"

どっちかっていうと

Rather, or More like.

首とかのが痛かった

My neck and other areas hurt.

なんかスマホ首が治ったの言っとったね

I heard that your smartphone neck has healed.

そうなんか

Is that so?

これは後日談として語ろうかと思ってたんですけど

I was thinking of telling this as an epilogue.

そう元々すげースマホ首で

Yeah, originally it was an amazing smartphone.

なんかもう慢性的に首が痛かったんですけど

I've been experiencing chronic neck pain for a while now.

でやってる間も痛かったんだけど

It was painful even while I was doing it.

戻ってきてからね

I'll come back later.

首痛くないんだよね

I don't have a neck pain.

スマホ首が治ったかどうかわかんないんだけど

I’m not sure if my smartphone neck has healed or not.

慢性的な痛みはね

Chronic pain is...

取れたんですよね

It came off, didn’t it?

でもね私も

But you know, I also...

なんか今そんな足痛くないけど

I don't really have hurt feet right now, though.

でも全くの無痛ってわけでもないから

But it's not completely painless.

やっぱさらに楽な姿勢はないだろうかみたいに

I wonder if there's an even more comfortable position.

いろいろ組み替えたりはしましたけど

I made various rearrangements, though.

やっぱあんま変わんない

I guess it doesn't change much after all.

変わらないよね

It doesn't change, right?

で結果やっぱりいつも

So in the end, it's always the same.

自然と組んじゃうその足の

The legs that naturally intertwine.

やっぱどっちが上

Which one is better after all?

安心するってあるじゃないですか

There's something called feeling at ease, isn't there?

脂かくのに

It's for fattening.

安心する方にやっぱ行っちゃったかな

I guess I ended up going towards what feels reassuring after all.

そうでね

That's right.

僕の場合はね

In my case, you see.

僕の場合は

In my case

これ自分だけで解決しようとしたらあかんと思って

I think it's not good to try to solve this by myself.

その終わり際とかに

At the end of that.

ゴーオンっていう

It's called Go-On.

目ピシュッと

Eyes squinting tightly.

チラッとこう

A little glance.

あーやりますやります

Ah, I will do it, I will do it.

チラッと横目に

Out of the corner of my eye.

隣はどうじゃんみたいな

“How about the neighbor?”

分かる分かる

I understand, I understand.

そしたら

Then.

あの一個隣が

That one right next to it.

すっげー綺麗なダルシムズライしてるんですよ

That's such a beautifully executed Dhalsim!

ダルシム

Dhalsim

ヨガファイアーとか

Yoga Fire, etc.

ヨガフレイムとか

Yoga Flame and so on.

何でしたっけ

What was it again?

ストリートファイターみたいな

Like Street Fighter.

ストリートファイターね

It's Street Fighter, huh?

僕めっちゃ下手だったんですけど

I was really bad at it.

一つ

One

全然

Not at all.

あの波動拳すらまともになせんで

I can't even perform a proper Hadouken.

全然ハマりもせんなんですけど

I really don't get into it at all.

それは知らないですけど

I don't know that.

その中で出てくる

It comes up among them.

ダルシムっていうキャラが

There's a character named Dhalsim.

あの

Um...

ガンディみたいな

Like Gandhi.

ガンディを

Gandhi.

スト2に

In Street Fighter 2

出そうとしたら

When I tried to take it out...

こういう感じになるかなみたいな

I wonder if it will be something like this.

なんかインドっぽい感じで

It has an Indian-like vibe, somehow.

そう

Yes.

なんか

Something

えーと

Um...

ガンディがもうちょっと

Gandhi a little more.

なんか

Something.

非暴力とか言わずに

Don't talk about non-violence.

非とか

"Non-" or "not"

なんか

Something.

そうですよね

That's right.

めちゃめちゃ暴力振るってますもんね

You're being extremely violent, aren't you?

もうちょっと

Just a little more.

暴力的に

Violently

した感じ

It feels like...

って言ったら

If you say that...

ちょっと怒られるかもしれないですけど

I might get scolded a little, but...

うん

Yeah.

なんかイメージそうな感じ

It kind of feels like that image.

はい

Yes

でなんか

Well, somehow...

すっごいこう

So awesome!

こんな感じ

Like this.

こう

Like this.

こんな感じって

"Like this."

言葉で言っても分かる

I can understand even if it's said in words.

なんつってんやろ

What are they saying?

それなんかちょっと

That’s a bit...

今

Now

見た感じ

At first glance.

あの

Um...

ザビエルがこう

Xavier is like this.

あー上向いてるみたいな

Ah, it seems like it's looking up.

上向いてる時の

When you're looking up

手のポーズに似てますけど

It looks similar to a hand pose, but...

そうね

That's right.

そういうポーズだった

It was that kind of pose.

そんな感じで

That kind of feeling.

なんか

Something.

あごめん

Sorry, my bad.

足をちゃんと

Properly with the legs.

足をね

The leg, you know?

足のことねこれね

It's about the foot, you know.

足

Foot

足こんな感じに組んどるの

My legs are crossed like this.

なんかそんな感じじゃない

It doesn't feel like that, does it?

ダルシム座り

Dhalsim sitting

ちょっと

Just a little.

ちょっとダルシムが

A little Dhalsim is...

さっきちょっと画像を

I just sent a picture.

見せてもらいましたけど

I was shown it.

ちょっとね

Just a little.

ダルシムで検索してみてください

Please try searching for Dhalsim.

そうですね

That's right.

なんかね

You know...

そうしてもらうのが一番いい

It's best to have it done that way.

あぐらの描き方が

How to draw a cross-legged position.

すごくキュンってこう

It's really heart-fluttering like this.

上をちゃんと

Make sure to look up properly.

足が浮いてるみたいな

It feels like my legs are floating.

そんな感じじゃないですか

Isn't it like that?

うん

Yeah.

ちょっとちゃんと見てないんで

I haven't really looked at it properly.

なんて言うんですかね

What can I say?

こう

Like this

両足のつま先が

The toes of both feet.

ふくらはぎと太ももの間から

Between the calves and the thighs.

上に向かって出ていくみたいな

It seems like it's going out upwards.

うーん

Hmm.

こんな感じ

Something like this.

うーん

Hmm.

まあちょっと

Well, a little.

これ言葉で伝えるのは

It's difficult to express this in words.

難しい気がする

I feel like it's difficult.

気になったらダルシムを

If you're curious, try Dhalsim.

そうっすね

That's right.

インターネットがありますね

There is the internet, isn't there?

今の時代

In this era.

いいんじゃないでしょうか

I think it's fine, don't you?

で

And

あ

Ah

これか

Is this it?

うん

Yeah.

この座り方かみたいな

I wonder what this sitting posture looks like.

うんうんうん

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

で

So, then.

僕

I

股関節固いのが

My hip joints are stiff.

うん

Yeah.

全然できなくて

I can't do it at all.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

うん

Yeah.

ほんで

So then

相変わらず

As always.

なんか

Something.

あれなんですよ

Well, you see...

一日に一回の

Once a day.

うん

Yeah.

前呼ばれて

Called before.

師匠から

From the master.

うんうん

Uh-huh.

昨日も前回の放送でも言いましたけど

I mentioned it in yesterday's broadcast as well as in the previous one.

うん

Yeah.

どうですか

How is it?

呼吸に気づけますかみたいな

Can you be aware of your breathing?

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

あれで

With that.

2日目も

On the second day as well.

サーファーの兄ちゃんが

The surfer brother.

うん

Yeah.

足が痛すぎて

My legs hurt too much.

それどころじゃありませんって

"I'm not in a position to deal with that."

答えてて

Answer me.

正直だなー

You're honest, aren't you?

救われました

I was saved.

うん

Yeah.

よかったーって

I'm glad!

隣は

The neighbor is.

ダルシム座りで

Sitting like Dhalsim.

平静としとるけど

I'm calm, but...

隣の隣は

The neighbor next door is.

うん

Yeah.

一緒だーみたいな

It's like we're together!

うん

Yeah.

救われました

I was saved.

安心しますよね

It makes you feel relieved, doesn't it?

なんかそういう

Something like that.

その

That

なんていうの

What do you call it?

俗っぽいこと言ってる人がいると

When there are people speaking in a vulgar manner,

ははは

Haha.

あー大丈夫だ

Ah, it’s okay.

ここにも普通の人おるみたいな

It seems there are ordinary people here too.

そうそうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right.

うん

Yeah.

で

So, then, well

輝くしみって似とるのかなみたいな

I wonder if shining stains are similar.

なるほどねー

I see.

これふわーっと内側から出てきて

This comes out gently from the inside.

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

俺この人のことこんな嫌いやったんやみたいな

I didn't realize I disliked this person so much.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

うん

Yeah.

っていう話なんですけど

That's the story, you know.

だからこのターン終わった時ちょっと息切れしそうぐらいなんかもう

So by the time this turn ends, I feel like I might be a little out of breath.

はぁー終わった終わったーって

Phew, it's finally over!

へー

Oh really?

はい

Yes.

っていうなんか余談なんですけど

That's just a little side note, but...

うんうん

Uh-huh.

なんかそういうのも

Something like that too.

こう出てくるのかなみたいな

I wonder if it will come out like this.

うん

Yeah.

私はずっともう

I have been for a long time now.

自分への憎しみと

Hatred towards oneself and

ははははは

Hahaha!

人生への

Towards life

なんか絶望とみたいな感じでした

It felt like a kind of despair.

なんか負の感情がすごい出てくる

I feel a lot of negative emotions coming up.

あーそうかもしれん

Ah, that might be the case.

あ、なんか

Ah, something...

後でその10日終わると喋れるじゃないですか

You’ll be able to talk after those 10 days are over, right?

そういった時に最初の方はなんかずっと歴代の元彼のことを

In those times, at first, I kept thinking about my past boyfriends.

あのーがずっと頭に出てきたっていう美女がいて

Um, there’s this beautiful woman who has been stuck in my mind.

何人怨念まずみたいな

"How many people's grudges are piling up?"

そんだけそんだけ1日かけて思い出すぐらいって

That's how much it takes a whole day to remember.

どんだけめっちゃ美人だったんで

She was incredibly beautiful.

まあめちゃめちゃいいんだろうなと思って

Well, I thought it would be really good.

なんか聞いてたんですけど

I was listening to something, but...

でなんか自分のこういうところを見ると

When I see parts of myself like this...

それが良くなかったから

Because it wasn't good.

別れるに至っちゃったのかなとか

I wonder if it really came to us breaking up.

こういう努力が足らなかったから

Because there was not enough effort like this.

なんかあえて喧嘩別れしちゃったのかなとか

I wonder if we intentionally had a falling out.

うんうんうん

Hmm hmm hmm.

そういうことをなんかずっと考えてる時期があったって

There was a time when I was constantly thinking about things like that.

あー

Ah-

言ってたんで

I was saying.

やっぱちょっとどっかで

I guess it's just a little bit somewhere.

後悔とか

Regret and such

うん

Yeah.

憎悪とか

Hatred, etc.

うん

Yeah.

そういう負の感情にのまれる

Such negative emotions engulf me.

タイミングっていうのが

It's all about timing.

うん

Yeah.

それぞれあるのかもしれない

There may be individual ones.

ある気がする

I have a feeling.

うん

Yeah.

なんかね

I don't know, but...

やっぱり

After all

うん

Yeah.

後々出てくる

It will come out later.

サンカーラーをみたいな

I want to see a sankarela.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ああいう話

That kind of story.

絶対ある気がする

I feel like it's definitely there.

うん

Yeah.

それぞれ何が出てくるか

What will come out of each?

自分の人生の中でいろんな葛藤があった

I have had various conflicts in my life.

そういうところが出てくるかもしれないですね

There may be places like that.

そうかもしれないです

That might be the case.

この日も痛いなと思いながら背中も痛いし

I think it's painful again today, and my back hurts too.

あっちも痛いし

It hurts over there too.

でもたまに呼吸には気づけるよみたいな感じで

But sometimes it feels like I can notice my breathing.

夜の7時からかな

Maybe around 7 PM.

そうですね7時から8時半

That's right, from 7 o'clock to 8:30.

この動画までの講話にたどり着きました

I have arrived at the talk up to this video.

この日の講話の内容覚えてますか

Do you remember the content of the lecture from that day?

覚えてません

I don't remember.

では僕の記憶を通りに話してみます

Well, I will try to speak through my memory.

僕がこの時の講話で印象に残ったのは

What left an impression on me during this talk was

髪の毛の話ですね

It's a conversation about hair.

髪の毛といえば

Speaking of hair...

僕ちっちゃい頃もラルクアンシエルの曲に乗せて

When I was little, I sang along to L'Arc-en-Ciel's songs.

美女の髪の毛がサラサラフワーみたいな

The beautiful woman's hair is silky and fluffy.

シャンプーのCMよくね

Shampoo commercials are pretty good, aren't they?

ラルクアンシエルの曲っていうのが出てこない

I can't think of a song by L'Arc-en-Ciel.

あなたは風のように

You are like the wind.

サラサラフワー

Silky fluff

サラサラフワーみたいな感じの

It feels like silky and fluffy.

髪綺麗みたいな

Your hair looks beautiful.

私だとパッと思い出すのは

What comes to mind for me right away is

あれだな椿のCMで

That's in the Tsubaki commercial.

ようこそ日本へ

Welcome to Japan.

って言いながら綺麗な人がいっぱい出てくる

As I say that, a lot of beautiful people appear.

サラサラフワー

Silky soft flower

なるほどね

I see.

やっぱりサラサラしてるねみんなね

Everyone's hair is definitely smooth, isn't it?

で講話の中で語られてるのが

What is being discussed in the lecture is

お前らほんまにそれ綺麗なのかと

Are you all really saying that's beautiful?

髪の毛

Hair

で例えばね

For example, you know.

女性の髪

Women's hair

サラサラしとった髪が

The hair that was so smooth.

抜けますよねと

"You're going to leave, right?"

あなたの髪綺麗ですねって言って

Please say, "Your hair is beautiful."

でその髪の綺麗な女性が

And that woman with beautiful hair...

これは夕飯のシチューだよ

This is dinner's stew.

シチューやったか知らんすけど

I don't know if you made stew or not.

でそのシチューの中に

So in that stew

抜けたサラサラの髪の毛が

Fine, flowing hair that has fallen out.

入っとったら

If you're in it.

汚いと

It's dirty.

思うわけです

I think so.

あれさっきまでサラサラして綺麗やと思っとったのに

I thought it was smooth and beautiful just a moment ago.

まとまってると綺麗だけど

It's beautiful when it's all put together, but...

本体から

From the main unit.

外れた途端に汚物になる

The moment it is removed, it becomes filth.

不思議な現象ですねと

It's a mysterious phenomenon, isn't it?

ありましたねこの話ね

This story was there, wasn't it?

今聞いて思い出しました

I just remembered as I was listening now.

確かにって思った

I thought for sure.

肌や爪なんかも同じだよって

It's the same for skin and nails.

美白とか

Whitening and so on.

ファンデーションとか

Foundation and such.

コラーゲンとか

Collagen and so on.

なんかね言っとるけど

It's like they're saying something, but...

爪もね

Nails too.

なんかねネイルとか

Something like nails, you know?

同じやんけど

It's the same, isn’t it?

そう結局爪だって切って

So in the end, I even cut my nails.

その辺にポンって置いてあったら

If it was casually placed around there...

いい

Good.

あれさっきまで言ったよな

You just said that a moment ago, right?

爪綺麗だねって言っとったのに

I was just saying that your nails are beautiful.

外れてこれが

This is off.

綺麗なものを並べて

Arrange the beautiful things.

綺麗と思えるかっていうと

Whether or not it can be thought of as beautiful.

宝石と違って

Unlike jewels.

おぼつになっちゃって

It's becoming uncertain.

その話がすごく印象的だ

That story is really impressive.

ありましたね

It was there.

何にたどり着くかっていうとその話が

What it leads to is that story.

要は

In short,

髪や肌や爪に執着するなんて

To be obsessed with hair, skin, and nails.

無駄やんけと

It's pointless, isn't it?

それ結局最後

That's the end after all.

髪の毛が無駄になるんで

Because hair would go to waste.

そこの美しさを求めてどうするんですか

What are you trying to achieve by seeking beauty there?

とはいえね

That said, you know.

そうとはいえやっぱ

That being said, after all...

これだいぶ男性と女性で

This is quite different between men and women.

これは感じ方違うと思うんですけど

I think this feels different to different people.

とはいえよって

That being said, however...

女性側は

On the women's side

思うよね絶対ね

You definitely think so, right?

思ってたとは思うし

I think I was thinking that way.

私も思ってた

I was thinking the same thing.

でもそれを一周回って

But after going around that once...

もしかしたら

Perhaps.

そこのなんか

Something over there.

わたわたと

in a flurry

時間かけて

Take your time.

整えな整えなってやるよりも

Rather than just saying "organize yourself, organize yourself,"

こんなもんに執着してないよって

I'm not attached to something like this.

吹っ切れた状態で堂々と

Confidently and without hesitation.

ニコニコしとったら

If you keep smiling...

そっちの方がいいかもしれない

That might be better.

思ったりもするけど

I sometimes think that way, too.

でも一般的な解釈として

But as a general interpretation,

とはいえでもサラサラの

That said, it's still smooth.

女性綺麗みたいなね

It seems like women are beautiful, right?

例え話として納得はできるんだけど

I can understand it as a metaphor, but...

とはいえ

That said

っていうね

You know what I mean?

っていう気がしました

I had the feeling that...

はい

Yes

こんな感じで

Like this.

ちょっと講話はね1時間半あるんで

The lecture will take about an hour and a half.

これについて語りだすと

When I start talking about this...

もうね収集つかないんで

I can't manage it anymore.

ちょっと印象に残ったとこだけ

Just the parts that left an impression.

こんな感じで

Like this.

紹介していこうかなと思います

I think I will introduce it.

気になった方は

If you're interested,

参加してみるしか

I guess I have no choice but to try participating.

そうですね

That's right.

1時間半そしたらたっぷり

After an hour and a half, then plenty.

いろんな例え話を

Various anecdotes.

聞くことができるんで

I can listen.

この時間は別にね

This time is nothing special.

あの姿勢を正したりとかせんでいいんで

You don't need to correct that posture or anything.

そうそうそう

That's right!

楽な姿勢で聞けるんでね

You can listen in a relaxed posture.

とはいえ雑魚寝はいけませんみたいな

That said, it seems like sleeping together in a group is not acceptable.

そうですね

That's right.

雑魚寝となんか足をこう

Sleeping together like this, with our legs like this...

えっとアシスタントに向けるとか

Um, something like directing it towards the assistant.

に向けるっていうことしなければ

If I don't do the thing of turning towards...

自由ですっていう感じでしたね

It felt like freedom.

他の生徒に向けてください

Please direct it to the other students.

うんそうそうそう

Yeah, that's right.

あの足の匂いを

That foot smell.

で最後講話の後ですね

And finally, after the lecture.

5分の休憩を挟んで

After a 5-minute break.

最後の短い30分ぐらいね

About the last short 30 minutes.

瞑想です

It’s meditation.

でDay2カラーですね

It's the Day 2 color, isn't it?

これが

This is it.

いつものパターンになるんですけど

It’s going to be the usual pattern again.

このタイミングで

At this timing.

スタート時に

At the start

あのごめんなさい

I'm sorry about that.

ブドゥドゥドゥとかからいって

It sounds like "Buddudududu or something."

えっと

Um...

新たなお題を出してくるんですよね

They're presenting a new challenge, aren't they?

じゃあ明日からこれに励めみたいな感じ

Well, it's like saying to really dive into this starting tomorrow.

のでしたっけ

Was it?

うんえっとね

Um, well...

だからその30分ターンの最初に

So at the beginning of that 30-minute turn

新たなお題が出て

A new topic has emerged.

すぐ終わるんですけど

It will be over soon.

明日からもこれやれよみたいなね

"Like you should keep doing this from tomorrow."

練習じゃないけど

It's not practice, but...

予習みたいな感じかな

I guess it's like a preview.

明日からこれやるぞと

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to do this!

うんうん

Uh-huh.

ではいお題覚えてますか

So, do you remember the topic?

いやもう覚えてないっす

I really don't remember anymore.

これね僕はえっと僕の記憶をたどると

Well, when I trace back my memories,

はい

Yes

上唇と

Upper lip and

鼻の付け根のトライアングル

Triangle at the bridge of the nose.

上唇ってことは

So you mean the upper lip?

唇って上と下に2つありますよね

There are two lips, the top and the bottom, right?

これが開くと声が出たり

When this opens, it makes a sound.

なんかねよだれが出たりとか

It seems like I'm drooling or something.

いろいろあるんですけど

There are various things.

その上天側

On top of that, the heavenly side.

天と地で言うと天側

Speaking in terms of heaven and earth, it refers to the heavenly side.

はい

Yes

うん鼻側っすね

Yeah, it's on the nose side.

うん

Yeah.

顎側じゃなくて

Not from the jaw side.

うん

Yeah.

鼻側のえっと唇

Nasal side, um, lips.

うん

Yeah.

横にピュッと伸びてますよね

It's stretching out to the side, isn't it?

はい

Yes.

大体の人は

Most people

うん

Yeah.

でまあ斜めの人もいるかもしれないですけど

Well, there might be some people who are a bit off-kilter.

うん

Yeah.

横に伸びとって

It is spreading sideways.

うん

Yeah.

ここと鼻の付け根ということは

This means "So it's referring to here and the bridge of the nose."

うん

Yeah.

目と目の間ぐらいですかね

Is it about between the eyes?

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

鼻の付け根大体の人は

Most people at the bridge of the nose

うん

Yeah.

でここのえっと上唇と鼻の付け根をえっと何だ結ぶとトライアングルができるわけですよね

So, if we connect the upper lip and the root of the nose, a triangle is formed, right?

そうですね

That's right.

あ今やってくれてますね

Ah, you're doing it now, aren't you?

三角形がね

It's a triangle.

うん

Yeah.

確かに

Certainly.

うん

Yeah.

あったトライアングル

It was a triangle.

うん

Yeah.

そのエリアで呼吸以外の感覚に気づけ

Become aware of senses other than breathing in that area.

うん

Yeah.

あーそうだあった

Ah, that's right, I found it.

呼吸以外

Besides breathing

うん

Yeah.

あれ

That.

うん

Yeah.

でで僕はですねこれ聞いてまあ奥さんも今あえってなったと思うんですけど

Well, when I heard this, I think my wife also had a moment of surprise.

うん

Yeah.

鼻の付け根ってわかります?

Do you understand the bridge of the nose?

僕今目と目の間って言ったからなんとなくわかったかもしれないですけど

I might have somewhat understood because I said "between my eyes."

うんうん

Uh-huh.

これ多分ねそのアナウンスの時ってそこまで言ってない気がするんですよ

I don’t think they said that much during the announcement.

うん

Yeah.

鼻の付け根ってしか言ってない

I only said the bridge of the nose.

うん

Yeah.

でこれ僕わかんなくて

I don't understand this.

うんうん

Uh-huh.

うん

Yeah.

ほんで目つぶっとるし

And then you're closing your eyes.

うん

Yeah.

誰もさここだよって

No one is here, just me.

あーそうですね

Oh, I see.

あのー

Um...

言ってくれない

You won't tell me.

ほんとに目つぶりながら聞いてえどこって思うしかなくって

I really had no choice but to close my eyes and wonder, "Where is this?"

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

で本来ねその上前に立とう人はここだよーってこう

So originally, the person who is supposed to stand in front of you is right here.

うんうん

Uh-huh.

ずーっとこうトライアングル書き続けてくれたらわかるんだけど

If you keep drawing triangles like this, you'll understand.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

うん

Yeah.

ほんでたまらずですね

So I couldn't help it.

うん

Yeah.

この質問がない方は部屋に帰ってお休みくださいの

If you don't have this question, please go back to your room and rest.

うん

Yeah.

ね終わった後

After it's over.

はいはいはいはいみたいな感じで

It's like "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."

おー素晴らしい

Oh, wonderful!

うん

Yeah.

今日も僕が先陣を切って

Today, I'll take the lead again.

うんうん

Uh-huh.

先生の前に座りました

I sat in front of the teacher.

うん

Yeah.

もう通知表だったら意欲関心態度のところが二重丸ですね

If it were a report card, the section for enthusiasm, interest, and attitude would definitely get two circles.

あ

Ah.

もうね

Already, huh?

素晴らしい

Wonderful

もうあの聞くしかねえと思って

I thought I had no choice but to ask that.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

聞けるんだら聞こうみたいな

If you can listen, then let's listen.

うん

Yeah.

でさっきの新しい課題のエリアって

So, about that new area for the assignment...

うんうんうん

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

ここですか多分ね

Is this here, maybe?

うん

Yeah.

こんな感じだと鼻の付け根ってさ

If it’s like this, the bridge of the nose...

うん

Yeah.

鼻の

Nose's

私もね最初ちょっとそこだと思ってた

I also thought that was the case at first.

鼻のだから

Because it's my nose.

先端っていう

It's called the tip.

鼻の穴の

Nostrils

うん

Yeah.

間のね

In between.

間のこのプクってなってる部分の上だよね

It's the part above this puffed-up area in the middle, right?

そうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right.

ここですかって聞いたら違うと

When I asked if this was the place, they said no.

ここやって目と目の間

Here, between the eyes.

うん

Yeah.

なるほどーみたいな

I see, something like that.

骨骨がグッとは

The bones go "grrr."

そうそうそうそうそこですかと

Yes, yes, yes, yes, is that it?

うん

Yeah.

いや違うここだよってね

No, it's over here.

うん

Yeah.

それ教えてくれまして

Thank you for telling me that.

うん

Yeah.

はい

Yes

この両目の間こめかみって言うんですね

It's called the temple between these two eyes, isn't it?

こめかみ

temple

うん

Yeah.

あここあそうか

Ah, I see.

こめかみって言うよね

It's called a temple, right?

うんうん

Uh-huh.

うん

Yeah.

確かにそこ付け根だなと

Surely, that's right at the base.

うん

Yeah.

こめかみって言ってよみたいなのをちょっと思いましたけど

I thought a little about wanting you to call it "temple."

鼻の付け根ってみたいな

Like the bridge of the nose.

うん

Yeah.

はい

Yes

であなるほどこれね明日からあの分かったやること分かったけどみたいな

I see, so starting tomorrow, I understand what I need to do, but...

うん

Yeah.

さてこの呼吸以外の感覚とは何ぞやろ

Now, what could the sensation other than this breathing be?

そうなんですよね

That's right.

ということにDay3はなっていきます

So, it will be Day 3.

はい

Yes

というわけでここまでビパスタナー瞑想10日間コースのDay2が終わったところで

So, this marks the end of Day 2 of the 10-day Vipassana meditation course.

お話ししました

I talked to you.

はい

Yes

はいちょっと慣れてきたけど僕の場合はもう痛すぎてもうどうやべ座り方改革全然進んでるし

Yes, I'm getting a little used to it, but for me, it's already too painful, and my sitting posture reform isn't progressing at all.

うん

Yeah.

さっき真っ暗みたいな

It was just really dark a moment ago.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

いう感じですね

It feels like that.

うんうん

Uh-huh.

はいで次回はえーDay3

Yes, and next time is Day 3.

はい

Yes

語りたいと思いますこの足と背中の激痛問題僕の場合は

I would like to talk about the severe pain in my legs and back in my case.

うん

Yeah.

これは解決するのかという感じですが奥さんは何かお話ししたいと思いますか?

It feels like whether this can be resolved or not, but does your wife want to talk about something?

何か言っておきたいことありますか?

Is there anything you want to say?

うーん確かここでなんかDay2で逃げ出す人が一番多いんですよみたいなことを

Hmm, I believe this is the place where the most people tend to escape on Day 2.

なるほど

I see.

講話で言ってたんで逃げ出さなかったぜって

I didn't run away because you said so in your speech.

でこのつらいなりにうつ病だけど逃げ出さなかったぜ私はって思った思いました

"It's tough, and I have depression, but I thought to myself that I didn't run away."

はい

Yes

その後ぼっちゃんがお母さんリタイアして早く帰ってきてほしいってずーっと言ってました

After that, Botchan kept saying that he wanted his mother to retire and come home early.

はい

Yes

はいでまあでも連絡ないってことはあるんじゃないか

Well, if there’s no contact, it might be possible.

うんうんうん

Uh-huh.

えー早く帰ってきてほしいリタイアしてほしいお母さんに会いたいみたいな

I want you to come home quickly, I want you to retire, I want to see my mom.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

うん

Yeah.

はいそんな感じでした

Yes, it was like that.

はい

Yes

はいではリスナーの皆様Day3の内容が気になった方は次回もお会いしましょう

Yes, then for those who are curious about the content of Day 3, let's meet again next time.

はい

Yes

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Thank you for watching.