#4 「小さな違いを楽しむ」（後編）｜岡本仁（編集者）

日々の苦闘点

Struggles of daily life

余白が生まれる夕暮れ時

The twilight that creates white space.

by 積水ハウス

by Sekisui House

途切れなく続いていく日常の中に

In the continuity of everyday life that doesn't break.

ふと立ち止まる時間を作ってみませんか

Why not take a moment to pause?

日々の苦闘点は忘れがちだけれど大切な

It's easy to forget the struggles of daily life, but they are important.

余白のようなひとときにスポットを当てた

Focusing on moments that feel like margins.

ポッドキャストプログラムです

It's a podcast program.

こんにちは、前田ゆまです

Hello, I am Maeda Yuma.

今日で4回目の配信となります

This is the fourth broadcast today.

今までお二人のゲストをお迎えしましたが

Until now, we have welcomed both of your guests.

皆さんに日々の苦闘点についてお聞きしましたね

I asked everyone about their daily struggles, didn't I?

私にとっての苦闘点は眠ることなんですけれども

The point of struggle for me is sleeping.

前回お話ししたときに

When we talked last time

ヨーロッパに旅行に行っていたこと

I had been traveling in Europe.

話したと思うんですけれども

I think I mentioned it.

帰ってきてからですね

It's after I got back.

時差ボケがひどくて

I'm suffering from severe jet lag.

2週間くらい本当に寝れなくて

I really haven't been able to sleep for about two weeks.

全然苦闘点が打てないというか

I can't hit any points of struggle at all.

ひたすら大きな時間が横たわっている中で

Amidst the vast expanse of time that stretches endlessly.

生きている感じがちょっと辛かったですね

It was a bit辛かった to feel alive.

さて、第4回のゲストは

Well, the guest for the fourth episode is...

前回から引き続き

Continuing from the last time.

編集者の岡本仁さんをお迎えします

We welcome editor Hitoshi Okamoto.

人気雑誌ブルータスやリラックスなどの編集者として活躍し

Active as an editor for popular magazines like Brutus and Relax.

現在は書籍以外にも音楽イベントをプロデュースしたり

Currently, I am also producing music events in addition to books.

展覧会の監修をしたりするなど

Such as curating exhibitions.

さまざまな企画を手掛けていらっしゃいます

You are involved in various projects.

今週もどんなお話が聞けるか楽しみです

I'm looking forward to hearing what kind of stories we will have this week as well.

日々の苦闘点

Daily struggles

余白が生まれる

Margins are created.

夕暮れ時

Dusk

前回に引き続き

Continuing from the last time.

本日のゲストも編集者の岡本仁さんです

Today's guest is editor Hitoshi Okamoto.

今回もよろしくお願いします

Thank you for your support this time as well.

よろしくお願いします、岡本仁です

Thank you very much, I am Hitoshi Okamoto.

さて、今週は

Well, this week is...

岡本さんらしさがどのように形作られていったのかを

How Okamoto's uniqueness has been shaped.

伺っていきたいと思います

I would like to visit.

岡本さんは職業柄

Mr. Okamoto's occupation...

出会う人の数を

The number of people you meet.

関わる人の数も本当に多いと思うんですけれども

I think there are really a lot of people involved.

人とコミュニケーションをする中で

In the process of communicating with people

大事にしていることっていうのは何ですか?

What is something you cherish?

なかなか難しい質問ですよね

That's quite a difficult question, isn't it?

私、人と会うの苦手なんですけど

I'm not good at meeting people.

すごい感じますよ、僕

I feel amazing.

なかなかね、初めて会った人と

It's quite difficult, you know, to meet someone for the first time.

打ち解けで話すタイプではないんだなっていう風には思います

I think you are not the type to open up and talk easily.

だからそういう観察は

So that kind of observation is...

ある程度できると思うんですよ

I think I can do it to some extent.

いっぱい会ってるから

Because we've met a lot.

こんな人苦手そうだな

This person seems difficult to deal with.

そうそうそうそう

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

だけど

But...

そうですね、コミュニケーションを取るっていうのは

Well, communicating is...

本当は相手によって違うんですけど

It really depends on the other person.

インタビューみたいなことで言うと

Speaking of something like an interview...

自分が聞きたい話を聞くよりも

Rather than listening to the story I want to hear

相手の人が喋りたい話を

The story that the other person wants to talk about.

とにかく喋ってもらうっていうことに徹するっていうか

In any case, it's about sticking to just having them talk.

そうすると喋ってくれた人が

Then the person who spoke will...

気持ちよく喋ってる自分に

To the me who is happily chatting.

ある瞬間に

At a certain moment.

そういえば君は何か聞きたくて来てくれたんだよねみたいな

By the way, you came here because you wanted to ask me something, right?

君は何が聞きたかったのって

What did you want to ask?

逆に聞いてくれる時があって

There are times when you ask the opposite.

いや実はこれでっていう

Well, actually, it's because of this.

そういうインタビューって

That kind of interview...

なんか多かったんですよね

There were quite a few of them, you know.

そういうインタビューって何か多かったんですよね

There were quite a few interviews like that, weren’t there?

そういうインタビューって何か多かったような気がします

I feel like there were quite a few interviews like that.

素晴らしい

Wonderful

私本当なんかすごく真面目な部分があるのかわからないですけど

I really don't know if I have a serious side or not.

こういうふうに誘導したら

If you guide it this way

こういうことに話がつながるかなとか

I wonder if this will lead to such a discussion.

すごく考えちゃって

I think a lot about it.

全然それと真逆のことをしてしまいがちなんですよね

I tend to do the exact opposite of that, you know.

いやだからね

Well, that's why.

相手の人がじゃあ60分でとか

The other person said something like, "Well, how about 60 minutes?"

でも相手が乗ってるんだったら

But if the other person is on it...

多分伸びても気にならないだろう

Maybe it won't matter even if it grows.

相手の人も気にしないだろうみたいな

It seems like the other person wouldn't mind either.

そういう感じで

In that kind of way.

ことはあって

"Things happen."

なんか具体的に

Something specific.

うん

Yeah.

編集者として

As an editor.

それができたかもって思った企画みたいなのとか

Things that I thought could have been done, like projects.

なんか思い浮かんだりしますか

Does anything come to mind?

これは俺やったなみたいな瞬間

This is the kind of moment where I think, "I did that."

この企画でこの人にこういうふうに泳がせて

In this project, I'll let this person swim like this.

ここまで自由にこうさせて

Let me do this freely up to this point.

よかったなみたいな瞬間で

In moments like "I'm glad."

強く熱烈に残ってるものとか

Things that remain strongly and passionately.

うーん

Hmm.

なんか自分が

I don't know why, but I feel like I'm...

こういう方法で

In this way.

あの

Um...

作れたらいいなって思うことを

I hope I can make it.

初めてできたなと思ったのは

I thought it was the first time I was able to do it.

今はもうない雑誌なんですけど

It's a magazine that no longer exists now.

マガジンアースがガリバーっていう雑誌を出してて

Magazine Earth publishes a magazine called Gulliver.

そのガリバーで

In that Gulliver.

イタリアの特集をやったんですけど

We did a feature on Italy.

その後がなんか

Something about what comes after.

やったっていう

I did it.

僕的にはやったって感じでした

I felt like I did it.

で

Well then.

それはね

Well, you see...

イタリアを北から南に移動しながら

Moving from north to south in Italy.

いろんな街でいろんな人に会うんだけど

I meet various people in different towns, but...

そのすごい有名人もいれば

There are also those amazing celebrities.

全然普通のピザの窯に

In a completely ordinary pizza oven.

巻きをくべるおじいちゃんだったりとか

It was a grandpa who makes rolls.

でもそういう人を等しく扱う

But we treat such people equally.

だからこの人は有名人だから1ページだけど

That's why this person is a celebrity, so it's just one page.

この人はこんなちっちゃい写真だけじゃなくて

This person has more than just this tiny photo.

全部1ページで

All on one page.

っていうような

Like that or something like that.

大きい小さいをつけないっていう

It's said not to add big or small.

こっちが判断しないっていう

"We're not going to make a judgment on this."

全部フラットに並べて

Line everything up flat.

で読んだ人が

The person who read it.

どの人が好きになってもいいと

It's okay to fall in love with anyone.

例えばジョルジョアルマーニみたいな人が出てたとして

For example, if someone like Giorgio Armani were to appear...

アルマーニだから素晴らしい人だ

Because it's Armani, they are a wonderful person.

じゃなくて

Not that.

アルマーニも素晴らしいけど

Armani is wonderful too.

ここでそのネクタイの

Here is that tie.

を

wo

塗ってるおじさんが出てきて

The man who is painting comes out.

その人の顔もいいし

That person's face is nice, too.

喋ってることもいいっていうような感じで

It feels like it's okay to be talking.

みんなが判断して

Everyone decides.

みんなの好きな人が違うみたいな

It seems like everyone has different people they like.

ものができたらいいなっていう風に

I hope things will turn out well.

思ってやった号なんですよね

It's the kind of issue that I did because I thought about it.

そんな企画があったんですね

I didn't know there was such a project.

ありました

There was/It existed.

読んでみたいですね

I want to read it.

ぜひ読んでみてください

Please give it a read.

今

Now

読んだら古臭いと思うんだけど

I think it seems old-fashioned if I read it.

でもなんかその岡本さんの

But somehow, regarding Mr. Okamoto...

なんかときめきというか

It's like a sense of excitement or thrill.

それが詰まった一冊だったんでしょう

That must have been a book filled with that.

そうですね

That's right.

でなんかその後に

And then something after that...

雑誌を作っていく上で

In creating a magazine

こう

Like this.

色構成とかが出て

The color composition and such appear.

構成の束みたいなのが

It's like a bundle of compositions.

編集部に置かれて

Placed in the editorial department.

で僕がもう帰った後に

After I've already left.

その時の編集長が来て

The editor-in-chief from that time came.

こう見て

Look at this.

俺にはこんな特集作れねえって

I can't create a feature like this.

言ってたよ昨日って

You said it yesterday.

次の日に聞いて

Ask me the next day.

それが褒め言葉なのか

Is that a compliment?

けなしてんのか

Are you putting me down?

未だに分かんなくて

I still don't understand.

で

and

今度その人に会って

I will meet that person next time.

あれはどういう意味ですかって

What does that mean?

絶対聞きたいなと思うんだけど

I really want to hear it for sure.

そういう思い入れのある号です

It's an issue that holds such deep sentimental value.

へえますます気になります

Wow, I'm even more curious now!

ではじゃあそんな岡本さんにとって

Well then, for someone like Okamoto-san...

自分らしさとは

What it means to be oneself.

何でしょうか

What is it?

うーんとね

Hmm, well...

僕思うのは

What I think is

自分らしさって

What it means to be true to oneself.

そのらしさって

What that is like.

自分が考えることじゃないと思うんですよ

I don't think it's something for me to think about.

人が自分をどう思うか

How people think of themselves.

それが

That's it.

相手にとっての自分らしさであって

It's about being oneself for the other person.

自分はずっと

I have always...

自分でしかないから

Because it's uniquely myself.

自分として普通に

As myself, normally.

生活をこう続けていくわけですよね

This is how we will continue our lives, right?

それをやること

Doing that.

しか

but

できなくて

I can't do it.

俺は俺らしく生きてるとかっていうよりも

Rather than saying I'm living in my own way,

普通にこう日々を

Living the days normally.

自分のやりたいように

Do it the way I want to.

できるだけ

As much as possible.

こう嫌なことはしないで済むような

So that I can avoid doing unpleasant things.

風に思いながら

Thinking in the wind.

生活しているだけであって

I'm just living.

それを

That.

こう見てる人が

People looking like this.

なんか岡本さんらしいよね

It's so like Okamoto-san, isn't it?

とか

and so on

いうものだと思ってて

I thought it was something that is said.

自分が自分らしさみたいに

Like being true to myself.

感じるものなんで

It's something you feel.

ないです

There isn't any.

逆に

On the contrary.

これ岡本さんらしくないよね

This isn't like Mr. Okamoto.

とか言われたこととかってあります?

Have you ever been told something like that?

あーなんか

Ah, something...

それは

That is

そう言われないように

So that I won't be told that.

したいって

I want to do it.

いつも思ってるけど

I've always thought that.

なんかこれを

I guess this.

例えば仕事の依頼があって

For example, there’s a work request.

この仕事を

This job.

引き受けることで

By taking it on

なんか岡本さんらしくないよね

It's not really like Okamoto, is it?

って

"Well then" or "So" (depending on context).

言われて

I was told.

言われないかなとかは考えたりしますね

I do think about whether or not I will be told.

あとなんかこう

And also something like this...

大げさだけど

It's an exaggeration, but...

こう例えば

For example,

こう自分のやってきたものを好きだと

I like what I've done.

思ってくれる人が

Someone who thinks of me.

なんか新しくやったことを見て

I saw something new that I did.

やっちゃってるな

You've done it now.

この人みたいに

Like this person.

ある意味その人の

In a way, that person's...

行為を裏切るような

Like betraying an act.

結果を招くようなことに

Leading to a result.

関わらないようにしようとは思ってますけどね

I'm thinking of trying not to get involved.

なるほど

I see.

なんかそれって

It seems like that...

すごく難しいバランスだと思ってて

I think it's a very difficult balance.

らしさを

"Being oneself" or "the essence of being"

ある意味他人からのらしさを

In a sense, the "ness" from others.

守ろうと思うと

When I think about protecting it.

枠を外れてないというか

It's not that I haven't stepped outside the frame.

成長が

Growth.

しにくくなる

It will become harder to die.

環境になりかねない

It could lead to an unfavorable environment.

部分もあると思うんですけど

I think there are parts of it, though.

それどうしたらいいですか

What should I do about that?

うーん

Hmm.

どうだろう

I wonder how it is.

なんか今の自分の年齢で

At my current age, somehow...

今考えてることを

What I'm thinking about right now.

僕今喋ってるから

I'm talking right now.

例えば40の時の自分は

For example, when I was 40.

そう考えてなかったかもしれないんですよね

You might not have thought of it that way.

でそういう風なことで言うと

Well, speaking in that way...

本当にらしさっていうのも

What it really means to be oneself

その人の成長によって

Due to that person's growth

変わっていくものだと思うので

I think things will change.

自分の枠を自分で決める

Set your own boundaries.

っていうこととは

What that means is

違うと思うので

I think it's different.

自分らしくありたいと

I want to be true to myself.

思ってないけど

I don't mean it, but...

人があの人らしくないなって

"People say that person doesn't seem like themselves."

思ったら嫌だなとは思うって

I think I would hate it if that were the case.

さっきも同じこと言いましたけど

I just said the same thing earlier, but...

そういうことを

Such things.

一つの基準として

As a single criterion.

なんか

Somehow

生活を続けていく

Continue living your life.

っていう感じでしょうか

Is that how it feels?

だからあの人にはどう見えるんだろうとか

I wonder how that person sees it.

常に考えてるって意味でもないんですよ

It doesn't mean that I'm always thinking about it.

人の目が気になるということではないんだけど

It's not that I'm particularly concerned about what others think, but...

自分は自分のやりたいように

I want to do things my own way.

やり続ける

Keep going.

っていうことを

That means

ちゃんと続けてるかっていう

I'm just wondering if you're continuing properly.

視点で

from a perspective

その他の人が

Other people.

それが岡本さんらしくないって言ったら

If I said that wasn't like you, Mr. Okamoto...

俺はなんか

I'm not sure about something.

間違ってるかもしれないなって思う

I think it might be wrong.

気づきにつながるっていう意味が

It means that it leads to awareness.

ですね

That's right.

なるほど

I see.

さあここまで

Well, here we are.

岡本さんのらしさについて

About Mr. Okamoto's uniqueness.

伺ってきましたが

I visited to inquire.

ここからは今後について

From here on, it's about the future.

お話を伺いたいと思います

I would like to hear your story.

これまで編集者として

As an editor until now

様々な企画を立ち上げて

Launching various projects.

来られたと思いますが

I think you came.

これから新たに挑戦したいことは

What I want to challenge myself with from now on is

ありますか

Is there?

うーん

Hmm.

いや

No.

新たに

Newly

新たに挑戦するっていうのも

Taking on new challenges is also...

なんか

Something.

自分自身が考えるというよりは

Rather than thinking for oneself

人が導いてくれるような

Like someone guiding you.

気がするので

I have a feeling that...

誰かに

To someone.

何かを

Something

頼まれることが

Being asked to do something.

自分にとって挑戦になればいいなと

I hope it will become a challenge for me.

思うぐらいですかね

I guess that's what I think.

なんか

Something.

いくつまでにこれをやりたいとか

I want to finish this by a certain age.

今はもう思うような年でもないし

It's no longer the age when I can think as I wish.

でも

But

やってほしいという人がいるんなら

If there are people who want me to do it, then.

やってみようかなって

I think I might give it a try.

考えるぐらい

Just thinking about it.

おじいさんですね

It's an old man, isn't it?

いやいや

No, no.

でも面白いですよね

But it's interesting, isn't it?

編集者という立場だと

As an editor...

人に何かをある意味求めたり

In a sense, asking something from someone.

人に何かこう仕事を

Doing something for someone as a job.

してくださいとお願いする立場ですけど

I'm in a position to ask you to do it.

今のその岡本さんのマインドは

What is Okamoto-san's mindset right now?

逆に編集される側というか

On the contrary, it's more like being on the receiving end of the editing.

そうですね

That's right.

あの

Um...

,

,

まあそういう意味では編集者として

Well, in that sense, as an editor...

今も肩書きは編集者にしてますけれど

I still hold the title of editor.

こう自分的にはもう編集者は引退したんだという風に勝手に思ってるんですよ

I personally have come to think that I have already retired as an editor.

それはいつ頃とか明確なのある

Is there a clear timeframe for that?

ありますあります

There is, there is.

えっとね

Um...

3年前かな

Maybe three years ago.

あの鹿児島県の

That Kagoshima Prefecture

桐島アートの森っていう美術館があって

There's an art museum called Kirishima Art Forest.

そこで

So, then.

なんか

Something.

編集に

In editing

ついての

"About" or "regarding"

あの

Um...

展示をしてほしいって言われたことがあって

I was asked to do an exhibition.

で

So.

その時に今自分なりにこう展示を考えて

At that time, I thought about this exhibition in my own way.

最初に挨拶をこう書くわけですよ

This is how I write the greeting at the beginning.

この展示に関しての

Regarding this exhibition

でそこにね

So there.

なんかその時書いたのは

What I wrote at that time was something like this.

こう僕には答えがありませんっていう書き出しだったんですね

It started with me saying that I have no answer.

要するに人は例えば誰か言うと

In short, when people say someone, for example,

例えば誰か有名な人

For example, a famous person.

あるいは自分のアイドルでもいいけど

Or it could be your own idol.

そういう人が答えをくれるっていう風に思ってるけど

I think that kind of person will give me an answer, but...

きっかけはくれるけど

It gives me a reason, but...

答えは自分で考えなきゃいけないっていうことの方が大事なんじゃないっていう

Isn't it more important that you have to think for yourself to find the answer?

それでだから僕には答えはないし

So that's why I don't have an answer.

自分が作ってきたものも今を見直すと

When I look back at what I've created,

結局どう受け止めてもらってもいいし

In the end, it's fine however you choose to perceive it.

あのこれが今一番かっこいいからこうやれば君もかっこいいと思うし

I think this is the coolest thing right now, so if you do it like this, I think you’ll look cool too.

例えば君もかっこよくなるみたいなことを

For example, something like you becoming cool too.

自分は言わないようにしてきたはずだし

I should have been trying not to say it.

だから答えは自分で探すべきものですよっていうことを

So the answer is something you should find for yourself.

言いたくて

I want to say.

でもそれを言う方が自分にとっては

But saying that is for my own sake.

自分には答えがないって言い切っちゃうことだったんですよね

It was saying that I don't have an answer myself.

でそれでもだから僕には答えがないから

And still, that's why I have no answer.

それがイコール

That equals.

編集者としてやることはもうやりましたっていう宣言でもあると思うんです

I think it's also a declaration that I've done what I need to do as an editor.

そういう気持ちでずっとやってきて

I've been doing it with that feeling all along.

それをまとめて皆さんに今見てもらってますっていうことで

I’m summarizing it and showing it to everyone now.

ここからは引退した編集者としては何が喋るかもしれないけど

From here on, as a retired editor, I might say something.

あのそういう立場ですって宣言したような気分になって

I feel like I've declared that I'm in such a position.

そこから後なんで今は

After that, why now?

だからこれからやりたいこととか言われても

So even if you ask me what I want to do from now on...

自分はもうやったから

I have already done it.

でもこれやってっていうのがあったら

But if there's something you want me to do...

言ってって考えるからっていう立場

The position of saying "I'll think about it" after you mention it.

そういう態度っていう感じですか

Is that the kind of attitude you're talking about?

なるほど

I see.

では最後になるんですけれども

Well, this will be the last thing.

岡本ひとしさんにこんな質問をしてお別れをしたいと思います

I would like to say goodbye by asking Mr. Hitoshi Okamoto this question.

はい

Yes

あなたらしい幸せの形とは何ですか

What does happiness look like for you?

幸せの形は今この時です今現在です

The shape of happiness is now, at this moment, the present.

だから今がいいって考えることが

So thinking that now is good.

なんか一番の幸せだと思います

I think this is the greatest happiness.

で実際に今いいな俺って思ってるから

Because I actually think I'm in a good place right now.

あのちゃんとそこには嘘はないですよ

There is no lie there, really.

あの今いいと思えるっていうことが

What I think is good right now is...

幸せだっていう風に思います

I think I'm happy.

今をいいと思う

I think the present is good.

終える自分でいるかどうか

Whether I am the one who finishes it or not.

そうそうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.

じゃあ私も今いいと思って

Well, I think it's good now too.

日によって違いますけども

It varies from day to day, but...

今いいって基本は思えてるから大丈夫ですかね

I'm basically feeling good right now, so I think it's okay.

そうですよ

That's right.

そのくらいのことでいいんじゃないですか

Isn't that about enough?

幸せって

What is happiness?

はいありがとうございます

Yes, thank you.

では2週にわたって

Well, over the course of two weeks.

岡本ひとしさんにお越しいただきました

Mr. Hitoshi Okamoto has come to visit.

たくさんお話ありがとうございました

Thank you for the many conversations.

ありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

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今日は水銀靴をお届けします

Today, I will deliver the mercury shoes.

小川のせせらぎ

The murmuring of the stream.

ポタポタと滴る雨音など

The sound of rain dripping drop by drop.

水の音ってとても心地よいですよね

The sound of water is very soothing, isn't it?

この水銀靴も地中に埋めた亀に

This mercury shoe is also buried with the turtle underground.

水滴が落ちる時の音の響きを楽しむもの

It is something that enjoys the sound resonance of water droplets falling.

心にしみいるような澄んだ音に

A clear sound that seeps into the heart.

水銀靴も地中に埋めた亀に水滴が落ちる時の音の響きを楽しむもの 心にしみいるような澄んだ音に

The sound of water droplets falling on a turtle buried underground with mercury boots is something to enjoy, a clear sound that resonates deep in the heart.

耳を傾けてみましょう

Let's listen carefully.

音始め

Sound start

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暮らしの音風景

Soundscape of Daily Life

インタールード

Interlude

今日は水金屑をお届けしました

Today, I delivered water and gold dust.

日々の苦闘点

Daily struggles.

ここからは感性を豊かにする種をまいていく

From here, we will be sowing the seeds that enrich our sensibilities.

余白の種

Margin Seed

異色種

Different species

様々なジャンルから好きを極めて生きる方々に

To those who live by mastering their passions from various genres.

暮らしを楽しむヒントをお話ししていただきます

I will share tips for enjoying life.

今日は料理人の島田博之さんにお話を伺います

Today, we will be speaking with chef Hiroyuki Shimada.

皆さんはじめまして

Nice to meet you all.

鹿児島県市木久敷の市にあるレストラン

A restaurant in Ichikikushikino City, Kagoshima Prefecture.

土着の店主島田博之です

I am the local shop owner, Hiroyuki Shimada.

自然農で栽培している農家から仕入れた野菜など

Vegetables sourced from farmers cultivating using natural farming methods.

その土地ならではの土着の食材のみを扱い

Only handling local ingredients unique to the land.

土器や枝や薪を用いた料理を提供しております

We offer dishes cooked using pottery, branches, and firewood.

ポッドキャスト日々の苦闘点では

On the podcast Daily Struggles Points

旬の和野菜のお話をさせていただきます

I will talk about seasonal Japanese vegetables.

今回は

This time.

9月初旬ということで

Since it's early September.

夏だけではなく

Not just in summer.

秋もおいしい茄子を取り上げたいと思います

I would like to highlight delicious eggplants in autumn.

地味深い味が特徴の茄子

Eggplant with a rich and subtle flavor.

実はたくさんの品種が日本にあるんです

In fact, there are many varieties in Japan.

黒紫のものも多いですが

There are many things that are dark purple as well.

中には白いものも

Some of them are white.

形も丸型長型などいろいろあります

There are various shapes such as round and long types.

地野菜も多く

There are many local vegetables.

京都の鴨茄子をはじめ

Starting with Kyoto's duck eggplant

私の出身地である

My hometown is

埼玉の新居町にある

It is in the new housing area of Saitama.

新黒茄子、青茄子

New black eggplant, blue eggplant.

新潟だけでも20種類ほどの茄子を栽培しているそうです

It is said that about 20 varieties of eggplant are cultivated just in Niigata.

これだけ多様な茄子ですが

There are so many varieties of eggplants.

もともとインドが原産

Originally from India.

中国を経由して日本に入り

Entering Japan via China.

奈良時代に食べられていたという記録も残っています

There are also records that it was eaten during the Nara period.

地域の路地栽培や

Local alley cultivation and

近所の農家さんが無農薬で育てた茄子を使った

I used eggplant grown pesticide-free by a local farmer.

この季節ならではの食べ方を紹介します

I will introduce a unique way to eat that is specific to this season.

まずはこの茄子を使ってみます

First, I'll try using this eggplant.

この茄子を使ってみます

I will try using this eggplant.

まずは揚げ茄子

First, fried eggplant.

包丁も入れずに揚げてしまいます

It will be deep-fried without even cutting it.

丸ごと揚がったら塩をつけてそのままかじる

Once it's completely fried, sprinkle some salt on it and just bite into it as it is.

茄子と油の汁がじわっと口に広がります

The juice of eggplant and oil gently spreads in my mouth.

たくさん作って揚げ浸しにしても美味しいです

Making a lot and soaking them in tempura sauce is also delicious.

シソやバジルなどと合わせた塩や

Salt combined with shiso and basil.

味噌などと一緒に食べるのもいいですね

It's also nice to eat it with miso and such.

もう一つは漬物です

The other one is pickles.

ぬか漬け味噌漬けの定番もおすすめですが

While traditional flavors like nukazuke and misozuke are also recommended,

中でも僕は海水漬けをおすすめします

Among them, I particularly recommend the seawater pickling.

茄子の揚くと海水の苦いの相性がとても良いと思います

I think the combination of fried eggplant and the bitterness of seawater goes very well together.

海水は漬かるのが遅いので

Since seawater takes time to soak.

物にもよりますが5日から2週間ぐらいを漬けるのがおすすめです

It depends on the item, but it is recommended to marinate for about 5 days to 2 weeks.

まだ暑さの残るこの季節

This season still holds onto the remnants of heat.

旬の野菜とともに乗り切りましょう

Let's get through it with seasonal vegetables.

ということで今回の余白の種は島田博之がお届けしました

This time, the seed of the margins was delivered by Hiroyuki Shimada.

日々の苦闘点

Daily struggle points

余白が生まれる夕暮れ時

The twilight hour gives birth to margin.

by 積水ハウス

by Sekisui House

岡本さんをお招きしての第2回目

The second meeting inviting Mr. Okamoto.

自分らしさが他人によって作られていくこと

The way my individuality is being shaped by others.

そして幸せの形が今が幸せということを感じられる自分であるかどうかと

And whether I can feel that the shape of happiness is being able to be happy right now.

いやなんか各お仕事を岡本さんもされているわけで

Well, it seems like Mr. Okamoto is also doing various jobs.

私は各仕事もするし

I also do each job.

ご編集者の方と一緒にお仕事することもあるし

There are times when I work with the editor.

自分で企画するときもあるし

There are times when I plan it by myself.

人のお話を聞くお仕事もあるしという感じで

It feels like there are jobs where you listen to other people's stories as well.

いろいろ重なる部分が多かったので

There were many overlapping aspects.

本当になんか学びになりましたし

It was really educational for me.

今日お聞きしたこと

What I heard today.

これからこの番組の中で

From now on, in this program

活かしていけたらいいなって思っております

I hope I can make the most of it.

皆様からのお知らせをお伝えしたいと思います

I would like to convey the information from everyone.

ではまた次回お会いしましょう

Well then, let's meet again next time.

バイバイ

Bye-bye.

次回からの番組へのメッセージもお待ちしています

We are looking forward to your messages for the next program as well.

番組の公式ホームページにお寄せください

Please send it to the official homepage of the program.

さて日々の苦闘点

Well then, the daily struggles.

次回の配信は終分の頃

The next broadcast will be around the equinox.

9月20日夕暮れ時

At dusk on September 20th.

立ち止まることから始まる余白の時間を一緒に楽しみましょう

Let's enjoy the blank time that starts from stopping together.

それではまた次回

See you next time.

ご視聴ありがとうございました

Thank you for watching.