ep.46 お着物のはなし。祖母は着道楽だったみたい

前回お話ししたように今お着物を着てやる役をしているので 最近ですね家にあるいろいろなお着物を出してみました

As I mentioned last time, I am currently wearing a kimono and playing a role, so recently I took out various kimonos that I have at home.

というお話ピオラジ46回目です

This is the story of Pia Raji, episode 46.

私はオペラの研修所 日記会の研修所っていうところに大学4年生の時から通い始めて2年間通いまして

I started attending a training center called the Opera Training Institute Diary Group in my fourth year of university and continued for two years.

その時にですね いろんなオペラのシーンを勉強のために切り出してですね 名場面みたいな

At that time, I cut out various scenes from operas for study, like famous scenes.

それで実際のオペラのように演技をつけて歌を歌ってみながら

So while singing with acting like in an actual opera.

勉強

Study

いろんなことを教えていただくみたいな経験をしたんですが 日本オペラっていうそのジャンルもあるので日本

I had the experience of being taught various things, and since there is a genre called Japanese opera, Japan...

日本が舞台のオペラのものの中には当然この着物を着てね あの演じる役もたくさんあるわけです

Naturally, in operas set in Japan, there are many roles that are performed wearing this kimono.

そのようなものをやっている時に クラスメイトであのお着物を着るのがとても多分

While doing something like that, it's probably very common for classmates to wear kimono.

趣味だったのかな お好きな方がいらして

I wonder if it was a hobby, since there are people who like it.

でもうお稽古のたんびに あの本当にもう

But every time we practice, I just can't help it.

こなれた感じで ご自身のお着物を着てお稽古に来てる

You came to practice in your own kimono with a polished look.

クラスメイトがいたんです でやはり本当に

There was a classmate, and really...

着慣れてるから よくねなんかまあオペラだといろいろ激しく動いたり歌を歌ったりするんですけど

I'm used to it, so it's okay. In opera, there are various intense movements and singing, but...

あとはさあ筆立ちするときにちょっと 動くと

Also, when I start writing, I tend to move a little.

着崩れたりとかするわけなんですけどそれもよーく見てるとパパッパってこあっちをちょっと引っ張る

It might get a bit disheveled, but if you look closely, I quickly pull that side a little.

こっちをちょっと 指入れて 直すみたいな感じにして本当に1日中着ていても帰る頃にも全然着崩れてなくて

It feels like I'm just slipping my fingers in here a bit to adjust it, and even after wearing it all day, it hasn’t sagged at all by the time I get home.

とっても素敵だったんですね なので

It was really wonderful, you know. So...

あ 将来何かこういう

Ah, something like this in the future.

和装のものをやることが来た時に、自分で着物を着れたり、着慣れているってことってすごく大切なんじゃないかしらって思ったんです。

I thought it was really important to be able to wear a kimono myself and to be accustomed to it when it comes to doing something in traditional Japanese attire.

なので、その当時はですね、私あまりお金がなかったもんですから、なるべく安く、しかも自分の時間的な都合に合わせて、着付けを習えるところはないかなって探しまして、

At that time, I didn't have much money, so I was looking for a place to learn kimono dressing that was as inexpensive as possible and also fit my schedule.

3ヶ月の着付け教室のお安いところを見つけてですね、通いました。

I found an inexpensive kimono dressing class for three months and attended it.

そこは、お着物は自分の持っているものを持って行って、

You can take your own kimono with you.

帯枕とかがちょっとだけそこの教室独特のものを使わなきゃいけなかったりして、買うんですけど、

We had to use some unique items from that classroom, like belt pillows, so we ended up buying them.

でもそれ以外は特にいろいろな出費もなくて、

But other than that, there aren't really any various expenses.

3ヶ月も通っているうちに、一応自分で普通にお着物を着る、

"After attending for three months, I can more or less wear a kimono on my own."

それから帯を結ぶ、お太鼓を結ぶ、

Then tie the obi, and tie the taiko.

帯を結ぶとか、二重太鼓を結ぶとか、

Tying a obi or tying a double drum knot,

で、だんだん進んでくると、冷装といって、

As we gradually move forward, what we call cold clothing,

留め袖みたいなものも自分できちんとした場で着る着物の時の着付けのコツ、

Tips for putting on a kimono like a tomesode for formal occasions.

なんかも教わって、3ヶ月なのかな、みたいな感じでした。

It felt like I was taught something, and it was around three months, I guess.

で、家に着物ないかねって母に聞いてみたところ、

So, when I asked my mother if we had any kimono at home,

祖母が持っていた着物を母がお嫁入りの時に持ってきたもの、

The kimono that my grandmother had was brought by my mother when she married.

がいくつかあるから、この箱の中に入っているはずだから、

There should be some inside this box, so...

探してみれば、みたいな感じで、

If you search for it, it feels like...

こう、ごそごそ発掘してみたら、

Well, when I started digging around,

母も祖母も私よりずっと体が小さかったのですが、

Both my mother and grandmother were much smaller in stature than I am, but...

なんとか着れそうだなっていうお着物も2、3枚あって、

I have 2 or 3 kimonos that I think I can manage to wear somehow.

なのでそういうのを出してきて、

So, bringing up something like that,

で、途中からは着付けの道具一式って、

So, from halfway through, it's a full set of tools for dressing.

全部持って行くと、結構なお荷物になるじゃないですか。

If I take everything, it will become quite a burden, won't it?

で、その着付け教室だけ行くわけじゃなくて、

Well, it's not just about going to that kimono dressing class,

で、その帰りにアルバイトに行ったりとかもしたりすることもあったりしたので、

So, on the way back, there were times when I would also go to my part-time job.

めんどくさいなとか、

It's such a hassle, you know?

あと、何か、どっかの帰りに行くとか用事もあったりすると、

Also, if there's something like an errand or going somewhere on the way back,

あれなので、可能な限りですね、

Since it's that, as much as possible, you know,

途中から2、3回行くと、もう実は着物着れるようになっちゃうので、

By going a couple of times from the middle, you'll actually be able to wear a kimono already.

着物着て行って、それでまたその日のお勉強内容に合わせて、

I'll wear a kimono, and then I'll adjust it according to that day's study content.

じゃあ帯だけ解いて、そこからスタートとか、

Well, how about we just untie the obi and start from there?

そういうような感じでやってました。

I was doing it like that.

でね、その時は、

Well, at that time,

あの、おばあちゃま、

Um, grandmother,

うちの母の母が着ていた大島紬のお着物が、

The Oshima Tsumugi kimono that my mother's mother used to wear,

私すごい気に入っていて、

I really like it.

で、サイズも一番大きかったんですよ、

Well, it was the largest size.

その家にあった中で。

Among those that were in the house.

なのでそれと、まあ、

So, along with that, well,

それに合いそうなお人を見繕ってですね、

I'll select someone who seems suitable for that.

セットで着て、

Wear it as a set,

あの、着付け教室に通っていました。

Um, I was attending a kimono dressing class.

それで、まあ着付け通ってよかったなと思うのは、

So, well, I think it's great that I went through kimono dressing training, because...

やはりその着崩れた時の、

As expected, at that moment when it was disheveled,

あの、直し方ですとか、

Um, about how to fix it,

そもそも着崩れないようにする時の着付けるコツみたいなこと。

Tips for dressing in a way that prevents it from falling apart in the first place.

まあ、今ではね、なんかYouTubeとかで、動画で、

Well, nowadays, you can find videos on platforms like YouTube,

たくさん親切な動画があるので、

There are many kind videos, so...

全然お教室行かなくても切れちゃうと思うんですけれども、

I think it could snap even if I don't go to the classroom at all, but...

当時はまだそういうのはあんまりなかったので、

At that time, there wasn't much of that kind of thing.

本を見るとかだけだと、

If it's just looking at a book,

どうしても動き的に分かりづらいところってあるんですよね。

There are definitely some parts that are difficult to understand in terms of movement.

なので、あの、その時通って、

So, um, at that time, passing by,

すごいよかったなと思ってます。

I think it was really great.

それで、まあ、とっきどき思い出して来たりとかしてたんですけれども、

Well, I would occasionally remember it.

本当にですね、もう本当にそこから6、7年後ですかね、

"Really, it's been about 6 or 7 years since then, hasn't it?"

初めて、町長夫人の鈴木っていうのをやった時に、

The first time I played the role of the mayor's wife, Suzuki,

全部お着物着られて、それで、まあ、

Everyone is wearing kimonos, and well,

あの町長さんの方の帯とかも結んで差し上げたりとかできて、

I was able to help tie the obi for that town mayor as well.

お、習ってよかったって思ったりしました。

Oh, I thought it was good that I learned it.

で、あの、私今ここに住んでるマンションに、

So, um, I currently live in this apartment here,

20年弱ぐらい住んでるんですけれども、

I've been living here for almost 20 years.

あの、この家に引っ越して来る時に、まあいろいろお荷物

Um, when we moved into this house, well, there were various loads.

整理したりした時に、まああのあなた着物

When I was organizing things, well, your kimono...

着れるからって言って、うち母は自分では着れないので、

Just because she can wear it, my mother can't actually wear it herself, so...

あの、おばあちゃんの着物あげるわって言って、

"Um, I said I would give you my grandmother's kimono."

なんか、たくさんいろいろもらったんですね。

It seems like you received a lot of different things.

で、そういうのを締まってあったんですけれども、

Well, I had that all organized, but...

なんかイメージとして、そのうちの祖母はとっても気道楽だったみたいで、

It seems that among those, my grandmother was very carefree.

お椅子にあるととても気道楽だったみたいで、 role live construed in Japan.

It seems that it was very enjoyable to be in the chair, with role-playing construed in Japan.

思ったとおりですね。

As I thought.

で、ここ今ね、この会見中で私の言われることがあるということはないと思うんですよね。

So, I don't think there is anything that I will be told during this press conference right now.

とても木の楽でしたね。

It was very easy with the tree.

私祖母と会ったことがないんです

I have never met my grandmother.

私が生まれる前に亡くなっているので

Because they passed away before I was born.

なんですけれども本当になんかこう

Well, it's just that...

晴れ着?お出かけ用の着物ではなくて

Haregi? It's not a kimono for going out.

普段着るけどめちゃめちゃ凝ってるみたいな

It's something you usually wear, but it's super elaborate.

紡ぎとかのいいのとかをすごいたくさん持ってて

I have a lot of nice things like spinning and such.

しかもですね

Moreover, you know...

ちゃんとそれぞれいろいろ

Properly various for each.

サイズが微妙に違う感じに仕立ててあったりとかして

It feels like the sizes were tailored to be subtly different.

あとは祖母のと母のと

"Then there's my grandmother's and my mother's."

あと母3人

Three more mothers.

4人兄弟のうち3人女なので

Since 3 out of the 4 siblings are girls,

多分そういうそれぞれの娘に合わせて

"Maybe it would be tailored to each of those daughters."

採寸して作ったのとかもあって

There are also things that were made by taking measurements.

それがぐちゃぐちゃに混ざってるんじゃないかと思うんですけれども

I think it's all mixed up and messy.

とにかくね

Anyway, you see...

この

This

着物があるのはいいけど

It's nice to have a kimono, but...

地盤はどれが合うんだろう

I wonder which foundation is suitable.

おかしいな

That's strange.

袖が合わないなとか

The sleeves don't fit, do they?

いろいろあって

After various things happened

なんか着ないで

Don’t wear it or something.

ただ時々むしぼしして

"Just sometimes getting a little confused."

またしまってあるだけっていうのもたくさんあって

There are also a lot of things that are just kept stored away.

そういうの見るとすごく地味な

When I see that kind of thing, it's really plain.

渋い着物がたくさんあるんですよ

There are many elegant kimonos, you know.

渋いのかっこいいんだけど

It's cool in a subtle way, but...

でも若いうちから

But from a young age

あんまり渋すぎるの着るのもなんか

Wearing something that's too sober feels a bit off.

ちょっとあれだしななんて思いながら

I can't help but think, "That's a bit much."

でしかもその紡ぎを着ていくような場所に

And moreover, to a place where I would wear that spun fabric.

着物で出かけるっていう機会もあんまりないので

Since there aren't many opportunities to go out in kimono.

ずっと取ってあって

I've been saving it all along.

んで今回ね

So this time, you know...

あのお稽古着を探すためにまたゴソゴソしていて

"I'm rummaging around again to find that training outfit."

基本的にはその靴で歩くような稽古場の床に座ったりするので

Basically, we sit on the floor of the rehearsal studio as if we are walking in those shoes.

やっぱいいお着物だと汚れが落ちてくるので

As expected, with a good kimono, dirt comes off easily.

しなかったりする心配もあるのでね

There is also a concern that they might not do it.

あの私は洗える着物の

Um, I have a washable kimono.

そのちょっとあの身長が高い人用サイズとか

That size for slightly taller people, or something like that.

今通販で売ってるじゃないですか

It's being sold online now, isn't it?

ああいうのを買って

Buy something like that.

あの稽古着として使っていたんですけれども

I used that as a training uniform.

でもまあ時々はね

Well, sometimes, you know.

なんか気分転換に

Just to refresh my mood.

なんかいい着物ないかしらなんて思って

I was just thinking if there’s a nice kimono.

今回もいろいろ引き出しの中をゴソゴソしていて

This time, I was rummaging through various drawers again.

渋いなとか

That's quite cool, isn't it?

おばあちゃまの着物素敵だななんて

Grandma's kimono is wonderful.

眺めてたんですけど

I was just watching.

よく考えたら

If I think about it carefully

祖母は52歳で亡くなったそうなので

It is said that my grandmother passed away at the age of 52.

もう祖母が亡くなった年齢

The age at which my grandmother has already passed away.

私過ぎてるんですよ

I'm too much.

ってことは

That means...

え、これもう全部

Huh, is this all of it already?

このおばあちゃまの着物

This grandmother's kimono.

私着てもおかしくない年なんじゃないって思うと

I don't think it's unusual for me to wear it at my age.

ちょっとなんか

Just something a little.

おおってびっくりしてしまったんですけれども

I was surprised and exclaimed "Oh!"

まあちょっとね

Well, a little bit.

雪も竹も足りないものが多いのですが

There are many things that lack both snow and bamboo.

ものによっては

Depending on the thing.

なんかついたけとかで着られたらいいななんて思って

I was thinking it would be nice if I could wear something like this.

そういう目で眺めてみたりも今回しました

I also tried looking at it with those kinds of eyes this time.

お着物ね

It's a kimono, isn't it?

なんか決まりごとがたくさんあって

There are a lot of rules and regulations.

ちょっとめんどくさいとか

It's a bit of a hassle.

あの汚れたらどうしようとか

What should I do if it gets dirty?

あと動きづらいとか

Also, it's difficult to move.

暑いとかいろいろ

It's hot and various things.

まああると思うんですけれども

Well, I do think there is.

でもまあ

But well.

ファッションとして

As fashion.

楽しむためにそんなに

So much to enjoy.

あのものすごく

That incredible

あのなんていうのかな

Well, how should I put it...

お呼ばれの場とかでなければ

Unless it's a place where I'm invited.

普段着であればね

If it's casual wear, then.

そこまでこだわらなくてもいいよって

You don't have to be so particular about it.

おっしゃる方も本当にたくさんいらっしゃるから

There are really a lot of people who say that.

そうだよなーって思って

I thought that too.

私もねもう少し気楽に

I want to be a little more relaxed too.

あの時々は袖を通したりとかしてるんですけどね

Sometimes I do wear it, you know.

袖を通したいななんて思ってるんですけれども

I've been thinking I want to try it on.

今回もまだまだ暑い中

It's still really hot this time too.

お稽古で着るわけなので

Because it's what I'll wear for practice.

まあ浴衣の日もあれば

Well, there are days for yukata too.

あと今回ですね

Also this time...

あのあわしじら織っていう

That is called awashijira weaving.

ちょっとこう洋服で言うサッカー地みたいな

It's like a soccer jersey in terms of clothes.

ちょっと表面が凸凹した感じの

A slightly uneven or bumpy surface.

木綿のお着物があって

I have a cotton kimono.

それをはたまたまですね

That's a coincidence, isn't it?

楽天スーパーセールで笑

Laughing at the Rakuten Super Sale.

わけあり品とかで買ったんですけれども

I bought it as a product with issues.

背が高い

Tall.

アンド

And

あの幅も少し広めみたいなのが売ってて

It seems that they are selling something with a slightly wider width.

でそういうのとかを

So, about those things.

でしかも地盤も半地盤とか

And moreover, the ground is also half-substrate or something like that.

あの上半身だけのやつですね

That's the one with just the upper body, right?

など着て中にもあの肌着

Wearing such things and also that underwear inside.

汗取りにユニクロのエアリズムなんかを着て着ると

When you wear something like UNIQLO's Airism for sweat absorption,

意外とですね涼しいもんですね

Surprisingly, it's quite cool, isn't it?

なのでそんなにこう暑くて苦しいっていう感じでもなく

So it doesn't feel too hot and uncomfortable.

それでまあ紐の数もなるべく少なめにして

So, I tried to keep the number of strings as low as possible.

で私の場合はあのハンハーバー帯を

In my case, that Han Harbor belt...

後ろでペタンコに結んで

Tie it flat in the back.

貝の口とか矢の字とかにして

Make it like a shell's mouth or an arrow shape.

それでもう枕もしないで

"Then I won't use a pillow anymore."

で帯揚げとかもしないとこう

If you don't wear an obi-age or something like that, it will be like this.

ちょうど歌を歌う時に息するところが楽団なんで

It's the orchestra that breathes when they sing.

で帯揚げとかもしないとこうちょうど歌を歌う時に息するところが楽団なんで

If you don't tie your obi properly, it feels like the orchestra when you take a breath while singing a song.

ですよ

You know.

それそういう感じにして

Make it feel that way.

なるべくなるべく省略できるものをして

Please do what can be omitted as much as possible.

薄着にして

Dress lightly.

で着てみたいなことを

I want to try wearing that.

あのネットでね調べると

If you search for it on the internet...

普段からお着物を着られてる方とかが

People who usually wear kimonos.

いろんな工夫をなさっているのとかを知ることができて

I was able to learn about various innovations and ideas.

ありがたい時代だなと思って

I think it's an amazing era.

であと帯板とかね

And also the belt board, you know?

ああいうのをメッシュとか

Things like that are called mesh.

伊達巻とかもそうあるんですね

There are also things like datemaki, huh?

だからああそっかこういうところの一個一個を風通しよくしていくと楽なのねなんて思ったりします

So, I think that if we make each of these places well-ventilated, it becomes easier.

あと今回初めてですね

This is the first time for me this time, right?

長いこと巻物着てる割に初めて使ってみたんですけど

Despite wearing a scroll for a long time, it's the first time I've actually tried using it.

降臨ベルトなるものも買ってみたので

I decided to buy something called a "Kourin Belt" as well.

そうするとあのちょっと激しめに動いたりした時もね

In that case, even when I moved a little more intensely, you know.

あの上半身がピタッと決まりやすいのと

The upper body tends to fit tightly.

あとあの紐の数を減らしてみたりすると

"Also, if you try reducing the number of those strings..."

PD のも割も下げらせるので

Because it can lower the PD discount as well.

これまたちょっと楽ちんだななんて

This is a bit easy, isn't it?

新たな発見だったりしました

It was a new discovery.

というわけで皆様は起きものとか着られますか

So, everyone, do you wear things like clothing?

なんかねあのせっかくの日本の文化だから

Well, since it's a valuable part of Japanese culture...

なくならないようにでもまあねーどこにでも着ていくっていうのもなかなか

"To make sure it doesn't disappear, but well, it's quite something to wear it anywhere."

ちょっと難しい部分もあるんですけれどもね

There are some parts that are a little difficult, though.

でもまぁねどこにでも着ていくっていうのもなかなかちょっと難しい部分もあるんですけれど

Well, it's true that it's a bit difficult to wear it just anywhere.

なかなかちょっと難しい部分もあるんですけれど

There are certainly some parts that are quite difficult.

けれども私も今回大きに時々はなんか着てお出かけしたいなって思っております。

However, I also think that I want to go out dressed up sometimes this time.

というわけでピオラ寺46回目、町長夫人のお稽古を機に少し着物を出してみて考えたことのお話でした。

So, this was the 46th episode of Piora Temple, where I talked about my thoughts on kimono after taking the opportunity of the mayor's wife's lesson.

最後までお聞きくださりありがとうございます。池田香里でした。

Thank you for listening until the end. This was Kaori Ikeda.

ご視聴ありがとうございました。

Thank you for watching.