[後半]徳光和夫 とくモリ！歌謡サタデー」 特盛ディレクターズカット版

本日のお客様は 香山雄三さんでございます

Today's guest is Mr. Yuuzou Kayama.

ありがとうございました よろしくお願いいたします

Thank you very much. I appreciate your assistance.

よろしくお願いいたします

Thank you in advance.

今日はですね また本当に残念ながらですね

Well, unfortunately today again...

これはあるいは唯一無二の役者 田中邦恵と呼んでよろしいと思うんでございますけど

I believe it is appropriate to refer to this as the one and only actor, Kunie Tanaka.

田中邦恵さんのお話もちょっと 伺わせていただきたいなと思うんでありますが

I would like to hear a little about Ms. Kunie Tanaka, if possible.

最初の出会いはどういったところからなんですかね

Where did your first meeting take place?

やっぱり彼の場合は 若大小生一番最初だね

As expected, in his case, it's definitely junior high school students first.

と思うんですけど

I think so, but...

それからそうするとずっと気が合う みたいなところがあったわけです

And then, by doing that, there was a part where we really clicked with each other.

時代劇でやっぱり一緒になってんだね

In the period drama, it seems like you're still together after all.

その時に出会って以来 割と頻繁にね 会うようになって

Since we met at that time, we've started to meet quite frequently.

シャイとかそういう僕らイメージなんですけど そんなことはないですか

We have an image of being shy, but is that really the case?

シャイなことはシャイですよ 彼 本当

Being shy is indeed being shy, him really.

あんまりイメージでは人を解釈できないけど

I can't really interpret people with just an image.

イメージだけでも

Just the image would be enough.

ってものを言うとは ちょっと違うなともね

That's a bit different from what I would call it.

ものすごく明るくてね ユニークな人だなと僕は思ってね

I think that person is extremely bright and unique.

邦恵さんの 田中邦恵さんの訃報に接して

I received the news of Ms. Kunie Tanaka's passing.

加山さんは実はこういうふうに コメント発表されました

Mr. Kayama actually made his comments like this.

ちょっと抜粋してご紹介いたしますと

Let me introduce a brief excerpt.

邦恵さんに連絡が取りたくて ずっと気になっていて

I’ve been wanting to get in touch with Kunie-san and I’ve been thinking about it for a while.

不思議なことに2日前 若大小のDVDで

Strangely, two days ago, with a DVD of big and small.

邦恵さんの姿を見たばっかりだったんだよ

I just saw Kunie-san's figure.

うん

Yeah.

寂しいよ 本当に寂しい

I'm lonely. I'm really lonely.

こういうコメントをされているほど

It's to the extent that comments like this are being made.

簡単相照らす間柄だったんだな ということをね

It was a relationship where we simply reflected each other.

感じますけれども

I feel that way, but...

もうショック以外にないっていう から

There's nothing more to say but shock.

ものすごい衝撃でしたね

It was incredibly shocking, wasn't it?

なくなった どうして

It's gone. Why?

どうしてがついちゃうんですよね

I wonder why it happens.

ただね 88歳でいらっしゃいますからね

Well, you are 88 years old, after all.

ある意味で大王女のようで

In a sense, like a great princess.

そうなんだね

I see.

米女ってなっちゃいますしね

It seems it will turn into "rice girl."

何かその役者としましてこう

As for something with that actor...

なんていうんですかね

What do you call it, I wonder?

こう得たものとか そういったようなものって

Things like what you obtain like this, or something like that.

終わりになるんですかね

Is this the end?

やってて 演技に出てくる結果とね

The results that come out in the performance while doing it.

人生普通に歩いてる人間としての彼って

As a person living a normal life, he is

まあ似てるところがあるけども やっぱり普段歩いてる方によってはね

Well, there are some similarities, but it really depends on the person who is walking around on a regular basis.

出てる方が素晴らしい人だなと

I think the person who is out there is wonderful.

もう映画の中で出てくる若大将って

The young general that appears in the movie...

青大将はちょっと違うなって

The blue snake is a bit different.

もっといい人ですよ

You are a better person.

あんなに素晴らしい人にね

To such a wonderful person.

だから青大将演じられたんですかね

So, was that why you were able to play the blue snake?

そういうことも言えると思うんですよ

I think that can be said as well.

なかなかそうできないと思うんだけど

I don't think that's easy to do.

実際にやっぱりいい人だから

Because in reality, they are indeed a good person.

ああいうことができるんだろうなと

I guess I could do something like that.

つくづくもんね

It's really true, isn't it?

話してて面白い方だったんですよ

They were an interesting person to talk to.

そう面白いトンチンカンのこと言ったよね

You said something really funny and ridiculous, didn't you?

それが面白くてね

It's interesting, you know?

こういうことがあったんですけどね

Something like this happened.

僕は日テレ時代にアナウンサー時代に

I was a broadcaster during my time at Nippon Television.

何度も実況中継みたいなのしてました

I was doing something like live commentary multiple times.

それでその時にスペシャル番組で

So at that time in the special program

皇居2週でしたかね

Did you do two laps around the Imperial Palace?

で日本テレビまで帰ってくると

"When I come back to Nippon Television..."

マラソンがありました

There was a marathon.

それ一般公募でやったわけですね

So it was done through a general public recruitment, right?

で募ったわけです

So it was gathered.

そしていよいよスタートして

And finally, it's time to start!

いろんな人たちをチェックしながら

While checking different people.

で戻ってきた時に

When I came back

2位に入ってきたのが田中邦さんだったんですよ

The person who came in second place was Mr. Kuniyoshi Tanaka.

田中邦さん一般で応募したんだなと思って

I thought Mr. Kunii Tanaka applied as a general candidate.

びっくりしちゃった

I was surprised.

そういうところのある方なんですね

I see that you are someone who has those kinds of qualities.

そうかもしれないです

That might be the case.

皇居一周するのも得意だったんですよ

I was also good at going around the Imperial Palace.

そうなんですか

Is that so?

全然関係ないけど

It's completely unrelated, but...

一人で走ってるんですよ

I'm running alone.

そうですか

Is that so?

なんで走ってるの

Why are you running?

いいだろ

That's fine.

いいだろいいよ

That's fine, it's alright.

それはいいけどさ

That's fine, but...

どうしてあれちょうど10キロからあるんだろう

I wonder why it just starts at 10 kilometers.

一周5キロですよね

It's a 5-kilometer loop, right?

だから2周だと10キロですよね

So, two laps is 10 kilometers, right?

ちょうど10キロ

Exactly 10 kilometers.

そんなに走るの

Are you running that much?

へーって

Heh.

僕が今度は映画の中でも

This time, I will be in a movie too.

走らなきゃいけない時

When you have to run.

千葉先から江戸島まで

From Chiba to Edoshima.

8キロ8.5キロぐらいあるから

It's about 8 to 8.5 kilograms.

それを走ろうじゃないかって

Let's run that!

そうですけど

That's true, but...

何回も走ったんですよ

I ran countless times.

一緒に走ったんですか

Did you run together?

一緒じゃないですよ

We're not together.

僕は僕で走ったんですからね

I ran my own way, you know.

走るの全然

I can't run at all.

ニューヨーク行って

Go to New York.

ニューヨークシティマラソンに

To the New York City Marathon.

映画の中でも参加したんですよ僕は

I participated in the movie too.

へーそういうことも終わりになったんだ

Oh, so that's how it came to an end.

そうなんですよ

That's right.

地域を受けたことは間違いない

There is no doubt that I have received the area.

ありがたい悲しだと思うんですけどね

I think it’s a grateful sadness.

逆に香山さんの影響を受けたってことはないですかね

On the contrary, could it be that you were influenced by Koyama?

香山さんはもう滝に渡ってですね

Ms. Kayama has already crossed the waterfall, you see.

ゲームもおやりになりますし

You also play games.

いやそんなって

No way that's not it.

油絵もですね

Also with oil paintings.

僕が描きました

I drew it.

波の絵なんか素晴らしいじゃないですか

Isn't the wave painting wonderful?

いやそれは

Well, that's...

たまたまね住んでるところが

I just happen to live in a place where...

海っぺりだから波を描かせりゃ

Since it's by the sea, let's let the waves draw.

まあ見えでないでいいよって

Well, it's okay if you don't see it.

そういうね

I see.

気持ちはあったんですけどね

I had feelings, you know.

でも

But

絵が好きなことは

What I like about pictures is

ものすごく小さい時から絵が好きでね

I've loved drawing since I was really little.

そうなんですね

I see.

でやっぱり

Well, after all

波の絵が多いってのは

There are many paintings of waves.

本当千ヶ崎の影響でね

It's really because of Chigasaki.

影響でね

Due to the influence.

影響ですよ

It's an influence.

やっぱそうなんですかね

I guess that's how it is, huh?

そうですよ

That's right.

だってあれもう

Well, that's already...

本当1歳半からね

It really starts at one and a half years old.

33歳まで

Until 33 years old.

あそこの千ヶ崎の海岸のそばに住んでたじゃないですか

You used to live near the beach in Chigasaki over there, didn't you?

海のすぐ前ですもんね

It’s right in front of the ocean, isn’t it?

すぐ

Right away.

それでもう歩いて行けるところだもんね

Still, it's a place you can walk to, right?

でしょっちゅう波乗りやっちゃう

I often go surfing.

また帰ってきてって言って

Say "come back again."

繰り返してるんだよ

I'm repeating it.

波乗りやってたんですか

Were you surfing?

波乗りやってましたよ

I was surfing.

サーフィン

Surfing

最初はね

At first, you know.

いわゆるハワイスタイル波乗り第1号って

It's the so-called first wave of Hawaiian-style surfing.

新聞に出たぐらいですよ

It was only in the newspaper.

香山さんが

Mr./Ms. Kayama is...

そう

Yes.

また1人でやってたんだから

I was doing it alone again.

へー

Heh.

最初はVボードでしょ今で言うと

At first, it was the V-board, or as we would say now.

へー

Oh really?

うちの親父もそういうのやってたんですよ

My dad did that kind of thing too.

はー

Haa~

だからその波乗りをやると

So when you do that surfing...

キャッチウェーブがものすごい得意だったんですよね

I was really good at catch waves, you know.

あそうですか

I see.

でそれで

So, with that...

この波だったら絶対に

With this wave, for sure.

ハワイスタイルの波乗りもできるはずだってんで

You should be able to surf in Hawaiian style.

それでボードを作ったんですよ

So I made the board.

ご自分で

By yourself.

うん

Yeah.

それを今だったら濡れたんで

Because it would get wet now.

ビューってやって

Do a view.

引きちゃうんだけど

I'm going to pull it.

うん

Yeah.

その当時は一個一個こうやってフレームを作ってね

At that time, we made the frames one by one like this.

模型の飛行機の羽目の羽目じゃないけど

It's about the wings of a model airplane, not the actual wings.

やって

Do it.

5ミリのベニヤを張って

Attach a 5mm veneer.

でコーナー材をきれいにちゃんと丸見つけてね

So please make sure to find the corner material nicely and properly.

それでそれをちゃんとピタタッと張り付けて

So make sure to stick it on properly.

釘を打って

Drive in the nail.

ラッカーを何回も何回も打ってね

Keep hitting the lacquer over and over again.

でツルツルしたら今度はパルフィン塗るわけでしょ

So once it's smooth, the next step is to apply the parfin, right?

ローをね

"That's a row."

ピンをつけて

Attach the pin.

それで

So, that's it.

波乗って

Ride the wave.

やったら乗れるんじゃないですか

If you try it, you might be able to ride it.

3回目に立って

Stand up for the third time.

うまいこと行って

I hope things go well.

それからハワイ

Then Hawaii.

当時いなかったでしょあんまり

You weren't really around at that time, were you?

いないいないいない

Peek-a-boo!

あのブギボーやってるのはいたんだろうとは思うんですけど

I think there might be someone doing that Boogie Woogie.

見たことないですね

I haven't seen it before.

それでその後ハワイ行ったときに

So after that, when I went to Hawaii...

もうすぐグレグノールっていうね

Soon, it's going to be Gregnor.

ボードを買ってきて

Please buy a board.

はあ

Huh.

それで羽田に着いたときにね

So, when I arrived at Haneda...

税関を通るじゃないですか

You have to go through customs, don't you?

羽田ですよ

It's Haneda.

うん

Yeah.

これは何ですかって言ったら

What do you mean by "What is this?"

だからねもうパルフィンで砂だらけにしてね

So, you get all covered in sand with the Parfin, huh?

汚れたまんま持って帰ってきた

I brought it back dirty.

これはねサーフボードっていうもので乗ってね

This is something called a surfboard, and you ride on it.

でそう波に乗るんですよこれで

You can ride the waves with this.

はあそういうもんですかって

Oh, is that how it is?

まあ気をつけてくださるように取っちゃった

Well, I took it so please be careful.

はあでも誰も知らなかったわけですよね

Well, no one really knew, right?

知らないんですよそんなもの

I don't know about such things.

へえ

Oh really?

だからその時初めてやったのを新聞にちゃんと載ったんだもんね

So it was the first time I did it, and it was properly published in the newspaper.

はあ

Haa.

いくつぐらいもないですよ波乗りしてたんですか

How long have you been surfing?

いくつぐらいもないですよ

There aren’t really that many.

今までってだから33年間は済んでた

So, it means that for the last 33 years, I have been living.

はあその間ずっとですか

Huh, has it been that long the whole time?

ほとんどシーズンがもちろんシーズンはあったけどね

There was almost a season, of course, but there was a season.

はあそうですか

Oh, is that so?

そうねかなりの年月後やったね

Yeah, that was quite a few years ago.

はあでその波乗りという道の部分も去ることなら

Well, as for the part about surfing, that can also be left behind.

そのものを作るという性の部分ですよね

It's the part of creating the thing itself, isn't it?

それも香山さんは本当に親になるじゃないですか

That means Kaoyama-san will really become a parent, right?

船の模型を作られたりとかですね

For example, making models of ships.

はあはあはあはあ

Hah hah hah hah.

合図を書いたりとかですね

Like writing signals, or something like that.

ある意味であるんですよね

In a sense, it exists.

日本一堂々たる明るい

Japan's most magnificent brightness.

そしてまた日本一

And once again, the best in Japan.

ご長寿なオタクですよね

You're quite a long-lived otaku, aren't you?

ご長寿

Longevity

それだけよく言うかもしれないけど

You might say that quite often, but...

いやいや

No, no.

84歳になるご長寿だってもいいやね

It's okay to be a long-lived 84 years old.

そうですよ

That's right.

ありがたいな

I'm grateful.

話が飛んできて恐縮でございますけど

I apologize for the abrupt change in conversation, but...

助かったっていうよりも

Rather than saying I was saved,

助けられたみたいな感じ

It feels like I was saved.

そうですね

That's right.

いろんな人に支えられて

Supported by various people.

いろいろアイデアをいただいた

I received various ideas.

っていう方が多いぐらいですよね

There are quite a few people who say that, right?

そういう感じ

It feels like that.

大病するとやっぱりそうなりますね

When you have a serious illness, it definitely turns out that way.

そうなっちゃうんですよね

That's how it ends up, isn't it?

大病のせいかどうかわからないけど

I'm not sure if it's because of the serious illness or not.

やっぱりね

I knew it.

自分一人で生きてると思ったら

When I thought I was living all by myself,

大間違い

A big mistake.

周りにいろんな人がいて

There are various people around.

支えてくれて教えてくれて

Thank you for supporting and teaching me.

初めてできるんだなと

I see that I can do it for the first time.

思うようになりますよ

It will come to be as you think.

にもかかわらずじっとしてられないんですよね

Even so, I just can't sit still.

いや今じっとしてます

No, I'm sitting still right now.

してますか

Are you doing it?

一方であれですよね

On the other hand, it's that, isn't it?

好奇心も大変強くて

Very curious as well.

ビートルズが日本に来た時に

When the Beatles came to Japan

ああそうですよ

Ah, that's right.

10回を

10 times

彼ら占領してると

They are occupying.

どっからも行かれないんです

I can't go anywhere from here.

非常階段も続く

The emergency staircase continues.

全部ダメでしたね

Everything was a failure, wasn't it?

唯一行かれるところは

The only place I can go is...

ご飯を運ぶ

To serve the rice.

裏道ですね

It's a back road, isn't it?

それだけは

That's the only thing.

あるからって言ったら

If I said it's because it exists...

そこらへんを話してくれたんですよ

They talked to me about that.

それがあってて

That's right.

でさっさと行って行ったら

So I quickly went and left.

あそこにあそこのところです

It's over there.

ちょっと

Just a moment.

動いてるって言って

Say that it's moving.

ああよく来たなって

Ah, I'm glad you came.

いきなり握手する

Shake hands all of a sudden.

リンゴスターが握手するんですよ

Ringo Starr is shaking hands.

と思ったけども握手してたら

I thought that, but when I was shaking hands...

さらに横からパッと取って

Then, quickly take it from the side.

の握手し直したのは

"Redid the handshake."

ポールですよ

It's Paul.

マッカートニー

McCartney

ポールマッカートニー

Paul McCartney

よく来たなって言って

I'm glad you came.

そこから意外とね

Surprisingly, from there.

お話ししてくれれば全部ポールですよ

If you talk to me, it will all be Paul.

そうですか

Is that so?

他の人はもう自分たちの話しかしない

Others only talk about themselves now.

でもそこまで会話があったわけですね

But there was that much conversation, huh?

そう一応ね

Well, for now, yes.

しばらく経ったらば

After a while,

窓のところへ行くんですよ

"I'm going to the window."

そうすると下に乗って

Then ride underneath.

ギャーって

"Yay!"

この後出てくるんですよ

It will come out after this.

へーって思って

I thought, "Huh?"

ここで見に行って

Go see it here.

俺が出てくると

When I appear...

ギャーって

"Gyaa!"

誰が出てくるのもいいんだよ

Anyone can come out, and that's fine.

いやいやいや

No, no, no.

そんなことはないんですよ

That's not true.

下で見た人はびっくりしたでしょうけどね

Those who saw it from below must have been surprised.

分かんない

I don't understand.

見えないくらい

So small it can't be seen.

そうですね

That's right.

10階ですからね

It's on the 10th floor.

かやまさんご自身の音楽の中では

In Mr. Kayama's own music,

ビートルズの影響を受けたってことはないでしょうか

Could it be that you were influenced by The Beatles?

ある

to exist / to have

あるんですか

Is there?

やっぱりビートルズっぽい曲っていうのが

It's definitely a song that feels like The Beatles.

未だにあるんですよ

It still exists.

はぁー

Haa- (a sound of exasperation or sighing)

まだ出してないのがあるんですよ

There are still some that I haven't released yet.

あそうですか

Is that so?

似てるなってのがよくあって

I often think they look alike.

へー

Oh really?

それなんかもう出してきて

Just bring that out already.

倉庫にあったやつを出したのね

You took out what was in the warehouse, huh?

今聴いてるんですよ

I'm listening right now.

いや

No.

詩がないな

There's no poem.

詩誰かに書かせようって

"Let's have someone write a poem."

書いてくれます?

Can you write it for me?

いやとんでもない

No, that's ridiculous.

僕は書けないですよ

I can't write it.

いやいいよ

No, that's okay.

特別な作詞

Special lyrics

とてもとても私はそういう文才なんで

I really, really have no literary talent.

やっぱり断交作さんに書いて

After all, I’ll write to Dango Sakusan.

いやいや

No, no.

断交作は曲は作りますから

I will create a song for the disconnection.

詩がなかなか書けないんでね

I can't seem to write poetry well.

思ってるんですけど

I'm thinking about it.

あのかやまさん

That Koyama-san.

田中邦さんの

Mr. Kuni Tanaka's

北の国からといいますとですね

When it comes to the northern country...

やっぱり佐田正さんの歌声なしには

After all, I can't do without Masashi Sada's singing voice.

語れないわけでございますけども

I can't say why, but...

佐田さんの歌作りっていうのは

Sada's songwriting is...

かやまさんどういう風に

How does Mr. Kayama feel?

いやもう素晴らしいと思ったけど

I thought it was wonderful, but...

このメロディーできた時

When this melody was created.

聞いたんですよ

I heard about it.

なんで言葉がないじゃんって言ったら

When I said, "Why are there no words?"

言葉はいらないと思うんですよね

I think words are unnecessary.

できなかったんですよって言って

"I couldn't do it."

本人が言ってたような気がしました

I felt like the person mentioned it.

あそうですか

Oh, is that so?

このメロディーがいいから大丈夫だって

It's okay because this melody is good.

素晴らしいですもんね

It's wonderful, isn't it?

ものすごいいいと思ったもんね

I thought it was really great.

この音楽聞いただけで

Just by listening to this music

あの映像が浮かびますよね

That image comes to mind, doesn’t it?

そうこれはもうこのシーンでなきゃ

Yes, this is something that only works in this scene.

ですよね

That's right.

この曲でなきゃダメだって言うの分かったもんね

I realized that it has to be this song.

北の大使は浮かびませんよね

The ambassador from the north doesn't seem to be floating, right?

かやまさんもあれですよね

Mr. Kayama is also like that, right?

あの断交作として

As a work of that severed relationship.

佐田さんの歌をいくつか作曲されてますね

You have composed several songs for Sada-san, haven't you?

商用歌

Commercial song

そぞろ歩けば

If I stroll aimlessly.

そうですよね

That's right.

あれあの若大将悠々散歩のテーマソングで

Ah, that's the theme song of the young chief Yuu's leisurely walk.

そうなんだよね

I see, that's true.

実は皆さん

Actually, everyone...

かやまさん演歌も結構

Mr. Kayama's enka is quite good too.

お好きなんですよ

I like it.

もう大好きなんだもんね

I already love you so much.

ないですよ

It doesn't exist.

もうねもうほんとカラオケ全部演歌

I just can’t take it anymore; karaoke is all enka now.

そうですかどういう歌が一番お好きですかね

I see. What kind of songs do you like the most?

この奥平坊上なんて最高じゃない

This Okudaira-boujo is the best, isn't it?

いい歌ですよね

It's a good song, isn't it?

いい歌ですよこれ

This is a good song.

その他の曲だってなんだって

Other songs, whatever they are.

歌われるんですかカラオケで

Do you sing it in karaoke?

カラオケでBSで見るじゃないですか

Aren't you watching it on BS while doing karaoke?

オーンやってやって必ずこれいっぱい合わせちゃってね

Sure, go for it! Be sure to match a lot of these!

一緒に歌うんですか

Are we singing together?

前川清とグインだって言ってましたよね

They said it was Maekawa Kiyoshi and Guin, didn't they?

そうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right.

前川清さんの曲は

Maekawa Kiyoshi's songs are

また多いんでね

There's also a lot of it.

バンドやってたでしょ

You used to be in a band, didn't you?

学生時代からずっと続いてるのね

It has been continuing since my student days, hasn’t it?

それの仲間はみんな好きだったんだね

Everyone liked that fellow, didn't they?

わーわーわーが

Waa waa waa ga

男子生でみんな

Everyone is a male student.

峰岸さんなんかですか

Is it someone like Minegishi?

そうそう峰岸を一頭にね

Yes, yes, let's make Minegishi the leader.

あの同級生の北島さんの歌なんか歌われます

I might sing a song by that classmate, Kitajima.

歌うでしょ

You'll sing, right?

風雪流れ旅

Snow and wind flow journey

あそれも歌ってる

Oh, they're singing that too.

あそうですか

Oh, is that so?

色んなの歌ってる

Singing various songs.

うんこれが意外なんですよね

Yeah, this is surprising, isn't it?

かやまさんのテーマは一番お好きですかね

Is Kayama-san's theme your favorite?

あれですよね

That's it, isn't it?

演歌ではございますがゆざわ母嬢っていう

It's enka, and it's called "Yuzawa Bohjo."

あれもいい歌ですよね

That's a nice song too, isn't it?

そうですよ

That's right.

まあ伝家っぽい歌ね

Well, it's a song that feels like a family heirloom.

ちょっとね

Just a little.

かやまさんの通常の曲とはちょっと違う感じで

It feels somewhat different from Koyama's usual songs.

そうちょっとね

Well, a little bit.

かやまさんは84歳の誕生日に迎えられました

Mr. Kayama was celebrated on his 84th birthday.

復帰作品となります新曲が赤いバラの花

The new song, which will be my comeback work, is "Red Rose."

これは配信リリースされたという風に伺いました

I heard that this was released for distribution.

これはあれですか

Is this that?

この配信されるまでの経緯といたしましてね

As for the background leading up to this broadcast...

どういうお話があるんですか

What kind of story is there?

これはねもうそれこそ戸棚を掃除しようじゃないかって

Well, let's clean out the cupboard, shall we?

全部出してバラバラーっとオープンリールの箱が落っこってきた

Everything was taken out, and the open reel box fell down with a clatter.

それでそれを聴いて見てくれるって言って

So, you said you would listen to it and check it out.

レコードのレコード会社に渡したんですよ

I handed it over to the record label.

みんなこれ聴いたことないの

Hasn't everyone heard this before?

これも聴いたことないぞっていうのばっかり歌で流行ってたんですよね

There were a lot of songs that I had never heard of before that were trending.

こういうバラによく似てるけど赤いバラの花っていう

It looks a lot like this kind of rose, but it's called a red rose.

なんか詩が載ってるのがありますね

There's something that has a poem in it.

それちょっと聴いてみようって聴いたら

When I thought I'd give that a listen and actually listened to it,

これ出してないなって出してないですね

I haven't released this, have I? I haven't released it.

これやっぱり50年前に作った曲なんですよ

This is a song that was actually made 50 years ago.

それちょっとそのままやってみようって重ねて入れたら

I thought I'd just try doing it as it is, so I added more on top.

今の声と全然変わってないんでね

Your voice hasn't changed at all.

すごいですねそれはねかやまさんね

That's amazing, isn't it, Nakayama-san?

演歌とかJポップとかですね

It's things like enka and J-pop.

フォークとかいろいろジャンル分けがありますけども

There are various genres like folk and others.

かやまさんの音楽はかやまゆうぞうというジャンルですね

Kayama's music is in the genre of Kayama Yuzou.

そう言っていただけないとくさんだけだよ

I can only say that if you say so.

そうじゃないです本当につくづくそう思いますよね

That's not the case; I truly think so deeply.

ありがとうございます本当に嬉しいね

Thank you, I'm really happy.

もうそう言っていただけるだけで

Just hearing you say that is already enough.

聴いてみてご自身客観的に色褪せてなかったですか

When you listened, didn't you feel that it had faded objectively?

いやだけどね

I don't want to, though.

赤いままでしたバラの花は

The rose that remained red

うんそのまんま

Yeah, just like that.

それと全く同じタイトルの絵も仕上げたばっかり

I just finished a painting with the exact same title.

あそうですか

Oh, I see.

赤いバラの花っていう曲

The song called "Red Rose."

とともに

together with

とともに同じタイトルの絵も書いた

I also drew a picture with the same title.

半世紀を越えて生まれ変わった幻の一曲でございますけど

This is a phantom piece that has been reborn after more than half a century.

スタッフがね言いますにはギターの響きが大変印象的だったと

The staff said that the sound of the guitar was quite impressive.

青い星屑

Blue stardust

ちょっと似てるかな

Maybe a little similar.

ちょっと思わせるね

It makes you think a little.

王道の若大将ソングじゃないかという

Isn't this a classic young leader's song?

それ意識してるんですよやっぱ

I'm definitely aware of that, after all.

やっぱそうなんですかね当時ね

I guess that's how it was back then, right?

そういう意味でもそれも色褪せてないっていうことなんだけど

In that sense, it means that it hasn't faded either.

かやまさんご本人がディレクションをいたしまして

Mr. Kayama himself will be directing.

60年代当時のボーカルを生かしながらですね

While bringing out the vocals from the 60s.

現在のかやまさんの声を

Kuyama-san's current voice.

ミックスしたもんだそうでございまして

It seems that it has been mixed.

Aメロには当時60年代のかやまさん

The A melody features Mr. Kayama from the '60s.

Bメロが今のかやまさん

The B section is now Kayama-san.

戻ったAメロでは当時かやまさんに

In the returned A melody, at that time, Mr. Kayama...

今のかやまさんがハモってるというですね

It's that Kayama-san is harmonizing now.

その通りです

That's right.

やっぱりだからね

I knew it after all.

53年前に作ったっていう雰囲気が残ってる

It still has the atmosphere of being made 53 years ago.

ていうか53年前っていうのは驚きますね

I’m surprised that it was 53 years ago.

その頃にこういう音を作ってたってことが

The fact that they were creating sounds like this back then

そうかな

Is that so?

なんか僕は

I don't know why, but I...

音楽のいいところっていうのはね

The good thing about music is that...

時代を超えるなと

"Don't transcend the era."

時を超えるなと

Do not transcend time.

場所を超えるなと

Do not exceed the limits of the place.

なるほど

I see.

全部全てをこの一点にある

Everything is concentrated in this one point.

それが僕の気持ちなんだけどもさ

That's how I feel, you know.

だからそう思ったらね

So if you think that way, then...

だからこそ音楽を愛してるんだな

That's why I love music.

よかったなと思う

I'm glad to hear that.

そう思いますよ

I think so too.

全てを超越してるというようなところが

It feels like it transcends everything.

だからね例えば100年前の曲でもね

So, for example, even a song from 100 years ago...

今の人が歌ったら

If the current person sang.

今の音楽になるわけです

This is how it becomes today's music.

ああそういうものはいいんだ

Ah, those kinds of things are fine.

だからその時を超えてるっていうのは

So what it means to transcend that time is

だから音楽っていうのは俺が愛した

That's why I loved music.

そりゃよかったなと俺は思う

I think that's great.

愛したっておっしゃいましたけど

You said you loved me, but...

まだあれですよね

That's still the case, isn't it?

進行形ですよね

It's in the progressive form, right?

愛してるわけですよね

I love you, after all.

ずっと愛は続くんだもん

Because love continues forever.

そうですね

That's right.

そうだね

That's right.

受ける受けないは関係ない

Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant.

思ったらダメ

Don't think about it.

思わないほうがいい

It's better not to think about it.

そうじゃないんだよ

That's not it.

そういうことを考えないで

Don't think about such things.

自分は何しろ音が好きなんだよな

I just love sounds, no matter what.

愛してるんだよな

I love you, you know.

だから自然にこういうの作っちゃってるんだよな

That's why I naturally end up making things like this.

自然に出てきたやつほど貴重なものなんないと思った

I thought that things that come out naturally are more valuable.

ということでぜひこれからも動き続けてください

So please continue to stay active from now on as well.

僕も喋り続けます

I will continue to talk as well.

もうしょっちゅうバスの揺られながら頭をつけて寝ているシーンあれがあるからいいんですよ

It's nice because there are scenes where I often fall asleep with my head resting while being rocked by the bus.

そうですかありがとう

I see, thank you.

そうですよあれなかったら全然徳さんにはないから

That's right, without that, Tokusan wouldn't have anything at all.

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

ダメだよ寝なきゃ

You can't do that, you have to sleep.

今年のまた24時間もよろしくお願いいたします

Thank you for your continued support for another 24 hours this year.

こちらこそよろしくお願いいたします

Thank you, the pleasure is mine.

どうも本当にありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

ありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

永遠の若大将 香山雄三さんでございました

It was the eternal young master, Yuuzo Kayama.