高円寺ハイパー井戸端ラジオ～スタッフ座談会【後編】

どうも街の相談屋大光賢治です

This is Daiko Kenji, the town's advisor.

今日はですね僕は寺子屋中学生家庭教師やってるんですけど

Today, I'm working as a tutor for junior high school students at a temple school.

その子と前回ゲストの鴨さんの

That child and the guest from last time, Mr. Duck.

エルパトっていうお店でやってるポップアップのお店にね

I'm at a pop-up store being held at a place called Elpato.

一緒にご飯食べに行きますよ

Let's go eat together.

そんな感じでね本当ラジオを聞いて

Something like that, really listening to the radio.

また街に出てっていうのを繰り返してきたこの放送です

This broadcast has been repeating the message to go out into the city again.

それでは今週も行ってみましょう

Well then, let's go for this week too.

公園のハイパーイドバタラジオ

Hyper Idobata Radio in the Park

東京公園寺に住む人々インタビューを通して

Through interviews with the people living in Tokyo's Koen-ji.

街の魅力を伝えていくこの番組

This program conveys the charm of the city.

今回のゲストも前回に続いて

This time's guest is also continuing from the last time.

当番組の関係者ディレクターの森岡さんと

Director Morioka, who is associated with this program.

放送作家の大竹さんに来ていただいております

We have Mr. Otake, the television writer, with us.

前回はですね問題提起というか

Last time, it was more about raising questions.

森岡さんの部署移動に伴い

Due to Mr. Morioka's departmental transfer

このポッドキャストの存続はどうなるんだろうか

I wonder what will happen to the continuation of this podcast.

問題が提示されたところで終わりまして

The issue has been raised and will conclude here.

今週はねそれを実際に会議しながら

This week we will actually discuss that in a meeting.

方針を決めていく様子をね

The situation of deciding on a policy.

この生でお届けしたいなと

I want to deliver this live.

生というかね

It's about life, you know.

なんて言うんだろうねこういうの

I wonder what you would call something like this.

無加工で仕込みなしで

Without processing and without preparation.

本当の会議の様子を放送したいと思っています

I would like to broadcast the actual state of the meeting.

ただねあの1回ここまで56回の放送を

Well, you know, up to this point, there have been 56 broadcasts.

振り返りながら

While looking back

どんな放送あったねっていう話を前半にして

Let's talk about the broadcasts that happened in the first half.

後半は会議の続きということになると思います

I think the second half will continue with the meeting.

それではこの後ディレクター森岡さん

Well then, after this, Director Morioka.

放送作家大竹さんの登場です

Here comes the broadcaster writer, Mr. Otake.

公園寺ハイパー井戸端ラジオ

Park Temple Hyper Neighborhood Radio

ゲストはディレクター森岡さん

The guest is Director Morioka.

放送作家大竹さんです

It's Mr. Otake, the television writer.

今週もよろしくお願いします

I look forward to your continued support this week as well.

よろしくお願いします

Thank you in advance.

というわけで今週はですね

So this week,

2人をゲストに迎えつつ

While welcoming two guests

前半の方はこれまでの27名56回の放送を振り返っていこうということで

In the first half, we will look back on the 27 individuals and 56 broadcasts that have taken place so far.

印象深い回とか

Memorable episodes or moments.

このちょっと一言付け足しておきたいことがあるんだよねとか

I have something I want to add with just a little comment.

そういうのありますかねこれまでのやつ

Is there something like that in what has been done so far?

印象深いとかやっぱり一番最初の時は

It's definitely most memorable when I think back to the very first time.

どういう風に進めていこうかみたいな色々考えましたよ

I thought about various ways to proceed.

やっぱり小杉雄の平松さんだったと思うんですけれども

I think it was Hirama-san from Kosugi Yu after all.

そもそもまず僕がディレクター技術が未熟で録音があんまり綺麗じゃないっていうのが申し訳ないなと思いつつ

I can't help but feel sorry that my directing skills are still lacking and the recording isn't very clean to begin with.

ただ平松さんのお話がめちゃくちゃ印象的だったので

It's just that Mr. Hiramatsu's story was extremely impactful.

やっぱりその銭湯にいながらその街のお風呂屋さんとしてどういうふうに街に携わっていけるかってすごい考えてらっしゃる方だなと思ったので

I thought that you really think about how to connect with the town as a bathhouse while being in that public bath.

そこも本当一発目から公園寺ハイパー井戸端ラジオが出てきましたね

That’s where the Kouenji Hyper Wido Batan Radio really made its debut right from the start.

面白いと思いましたね

I thought it was interesting.

総括する内容みたいな感じでしたよね

It felt like a summary of the content, didn't it?

そうですね

That's right.

あれなんか一発目からまとめみたいになってる

That seems to be like a summary right from the first shot.

大滝さんなんか面白いなと思った

I thought Mr. Otaki was interesting.

僕ねポルテゴのタカさん

I'm Taka from Porutego.

あれ熱かったっすね

That was hot, wasn’t it?

やっぱめちゃくちゃいい話だなと思って

I really think it's an amazing story.

公園寺のお店持って行って修業したイタリアの方でも店出すっていう

It seems that a person from Italy who trained at the shop in Koenji is going to open their own shop.

ベネチアに何でしたっけ

What was it about Venice?

公園寺ってお店出すっていうね

I heard that they are going to open a store called Koenji.

公園寺って名前のお店を出すって言ってて

They said they are going to open a store called Koenji.

ベネチアの架け橋になりたい

I want to be a bridge in Venice.

ベネチアが大好きだから

Because I love Venice.

ベネチアで公園寺って名前のお店を見つけて

I found a shop called Kōen-ji in Venice.

公園寺のことを気になって公園寺にまた来てくれたら嬉しいって

I'm happy that you're interested in Kouenji and that you came to visit again.

大滝さんちょっと目頭熱くなってましたよね

Mr. Otaki, your eyes were a bit teary, weren’t they?

そうっすね

That's right.

やっぱりみんな自分の話をしてる時に

After all, everyone talks about themselves when...

もう一回自分の中で蘇ってくる感情があるじゃないですか

There's a feeling that resurfaces within myself again, right?

やっぱりそれが時期もね

I guess that’s the right timing after all.

去年の夏とかって飲食店いろんな感情に出会った時だったし

Last summer was a time when I encountered various emotions in restaurants.

だからすごい僕はいい時間でしたね収録は

So it was a great time for me during the recording.

収録しててすごい幸せな気分になりました

I felt really happy while recording.

中盤に行くと同世代のクリエイターとかも増えてきましたけどね

As we moved into the middle, the number of creators from the same generation started to increase as well.

そうです

That's right.

僕は小田裕二さんが小杉湯でこの前

I saw Yuji Oda at Kosugiyu the other day.

壁画描かれてたじゃないですか

Wasn't there a mural painted?

でウォールに一緒にペインティングさせてもらって

So I was allowed to paint on the wall together.

20年ぶり小学校以来かな30年ぶりか30年ぶりぐらいに筆を取りました

I picked up a pen for the first time in about 20 years, or maybe 30 years since elementary school.

そういうふうなきっかけって多分小田さんと会ってなかったら

If I hadn't met Oda-san, I probably wouldn't have had that kind of opportunity.

多分何かやってるなだけど自分は見てるだけみたいな感じだったと思うんですけど

I think maybe they were doing something, but it felt like I was just watching.

大滝さんと小田さんがいてすごいいろんな街の人がペインティングしてて

Mr. Otaki and Mr. Oda are there, and various people from the town are painting.

じゃあ自分もちょっとやってみたいなって思って参加させてもらいましたね

So I thought I would like to give it a try too, and that's why I joined.

だからやっぱりこう

So, after all, like this...

その収録が

That recording is

収録をきっかけにもう一歩二歩この巻き込みの企画がここの中でまたクロスしていくような形とかになったらさ

If this recording can serve as a catalyst to take one or two more steps toward further integrating the project, that would be great.

今までの収録にもっと意味付けがされていくような気がしますよね

I feel like the recordings so far are starting to have more meaning attached to them.

僕はね印象

I have an impression.

そうですねやっぱり自分のブッキングが多かっただけに

Well, it seems that I had a lot of my own bookings after all.

タッチョモの秋元さんとか

Mr. Akimoto from Tacchomo, for example.

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

トクタケのご主人のトクタケさんとかは印象深くて

Mr. Tokutake, the husband of Tokutake, left a deep impression.

初めましてからほぼ初めましてからこの収録が始まって

Nice to meet you, and it's almost like a first meeting since this recording started.

そうですね

That's right.

そういう機会が生まれたのはすごい有意義だったし

It was very meaningful that such opportunities arose.

トクタケのご主人がやっぱりいつものラインナップとまた違う立ち位置というか意見見え方をしてた

The owner of Tokutake again had a different viewpoint or stance compared to the usual lineup.

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

幅がすごい広くなったし

The width has become really wide.

僕もすごい襟元を正す気持ちにもなった感じだったから

I also felt like wanting to straighten my collar with a strong sense.

ぜひ聞いてもらいたい感じですねあれはあれで

I definitely want you to listen to it; it has its own charm.

トクタケさんはやっぱりいい仕事をちゃんとして

Mr. Tokutake is indeed doing a good job.

ちゃんとした対価をいただきたいっていうのをおっしゃってましたよね

You mentioned that you wanted to receive proper compensation.

それは本当その通りだなと思うんで

I really think that's true.

なんかその安くてそこそこっていうのも悪くはないと思うんですけども

I don't think it's bad to say that inexpensive and somewhat decent is also good.

いいものを作ってちゃんとそれに見合う対価をもらうっていうのは

Creating good things and receiving appropriate compensation for them is...

やっぱりプロの仕事だと思うんですけども

I think it's definitely the work of a professional.

プロの仕事としては大切なことなんだろうなと思って

I think it's an important thing as a professional job.

やっぱりそういうちゃんと幅の広さがあって

After all, it really has that proper width.

いろんな価値観の人がいてっていうことが

There are people with various values.

収められるっていうことが大事かなと思ったりしましたね

I thought that being collected or contained is important.

公園児だったら全然その安くて楽しめればいいっていうのもそれは一つ

If you're a park child, then it's perfectly fine to just enjoy it cheaply; that's one way to look at it.

メインカルチャーかもしれないですけどね

It might be the main culture, though.

でもその中にもいろいろあるっていう

But there are various things within that as well.

いろんな人が住んでるんだなっていうのは分かりますよね

I understand that there are various people living here, right?

そうですね

That's right.

そんな感じで振り返ってきましたけども

I've looked back on things in that way, but...

改めてこの放送を聞いてね

Please listen to this broadcast again.

多分ポッドキャストなんで

Maybe because it's a podcast.

振り返ってこれ聞いてみようって見つかったらぜひ聞いてみてください

If you find something to look back on and think, "I want to hear this," please definitely give it a listen.

というわけでね

So, that's how it is.

ここから先は先週の続き

From here on is a continuation of last week.

今後どうする問題です

It's a question of what to do moving forward.

どうしましょうか

What should we do?

先週ちょっと話したのが僕が人事異動で

Last week, I mentioned that I would be transferred in the personnel changes.

ポッドキャストをやってる部署から離れてしまうと

If you move away from the department that is doing the podcast...

公園児のラジオは僕が公園児が好きで

The park children's radio is because I like the park children.

始めたものなので

Since I just started it.

他の人にスタッフに任せるってわけにもいかないと

I can't just leave it to the staff or other people.

一方で僕が新しく営業に行く部署が結構

On the other hand, the department I'm going to for sales is quite...

スケジュール的にハードな部署なので

It's a tough department in terms of schedule.

なかなか毎週収録したりとか

It's not easy to record every week.

そういうところが難しいな

That's what's difficult about it.

どうしよう

What should I do?

大黒さんおたけさんどうしましょう

Mr. Daikoku, what shall we do about Take?

っていう流れでしたね

That was the flow of events, wasn't it?

番組枠としては日本放送の中に残る

It will remain within the programming slots of Japan Broadcasting.

そうですね

That's right.

公園児ハイパイドバタラジオの

The radio of the park kids Hyper Dive.

ポッドキャストの枠自体は別になくなるわけじゃないので

The podcast format itself won't disappear.

更新もできますし

You can also update it.

過去の話もしてますし

We're also talking about the past.

過去のアーカイブを引くことももちろんできます

You can also access past archives, of course.

その中で編集ディレクションのリソースが

Within that, the resources for editorial direction are

なくなっちゃうっていうのと

It's about losing it.

運営資金も予算的には部署からなくなる

The operating funds will also disappear from the budget for the department.

そういうとこですよね

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

全部リアルに払って

Pay for everything in cash.

どこまで使うかはさじ加減で

It's up to your discretion to decide how much to use.

全部使いましょう

Let's use everything.

僕はこの継続と別地点なんですけど

I'm in a different place from this continuation.

考えてたことで

What I was thinking about.

一つはラジオの切り抜き動画作ったらいいんじゃないかなと思ってたんですよ

I was thinking it might be a good idea to make a clip video of the radio.

字幕乗っけて重要なポイントだけ

Add subtitles and focus on the important points only.

一人のゲストに月5分ぐらいにまとめて

Summarize for each guest in about 5 minutes per month.

あのyoutubeとかで入れるっていうのが

The thing about being able to enter it on YouTube,

よくある

Common.

最近ラジオの切り抜き

Recently, radio clips.

あれ見やすいし

That's easy to see.

youtubeの流れで見れて

I can watch it through the flow of YouTube.

要点絞ってる

Focusing on the key points.

聞けるから

Because I can listen.

なんかそれはいいなと思ってた

I was thinking that's really nice.

もう一つは新しくインタビューしていくんでもいいんだけど

The other option is that it would be fine to conduct new interviews.

うーん

Hmm.

今までの人と改めて

Revisiting the people until now.

相談最後に持ってきて

Bring it to me at the end of the consultation.

こんなことやりたいよねって言ってた内容を

It's the content we said we wanted to do, right?

もう一回掘り返して

Dig it up one more time.

企画を実際に作っていく

Create the project in practice.

はいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes.

ラジオで本当に井戸端会議の様子を

On the radio, it really feels like a chitchat at the well.

紹介から今度次に深掘りのステップに入るっていうのは

The next step after the introduction is to delve deeper.

やってみたいし

I want to try it.

音源撮るだけだったら

If it's just about recording the audio.

それこそ脚本なしでも撮れる

That’s exactly something you can film even without a script.

それをこうあれなんかうまく編集してもらえるみたいな

It seems like they could edit that nicely.

チーム体制とかも

Team structure and such.

編集大変ですけどね

It's tough to edit, though.

多分これ

Maybe this.

まあ打ち合わせ会議を編集するのは確かにそうですね

Well, it's true that editing the meeting notes is necessary.

結構根気のよる作業かもしれないですけどね

It might be a pretty patience-demanding task, though.

ただね

But you know...

ただ面白いです

It's just interesting.

コンセプトは面白いですよね

The concept is interesting, isn't it?

ファシリテーション自体はある程度編集させながら現場を作っていくのは

Facilitation itself involves creating the environment while allowing for some editing to take place.

そんなにどちらかではしないだろうなとは思ってるんですよ

I think you probably wouldn't do either that much.

で普段から会議で議事録とかアシスタントとか撮る余裕ないときは回してって

If you don't have the time to take notes or assist during meetings, please pass it on.

それがもうちょっと番組っていう意識を持ちながらやるっていうのも一つあるなと思ってます

I think it would be good to approach it with a bit more awareness of it as a program.

公開のワークショップみたいな感じですかね

Is it like an open workshop?

そう

Yes.

あとインタビューを撮り続けていくとしても

Even if we continue to conduct interviews...

なんかさっき言った通りで

As I said earlier.

僕がやっぱりこう

I guess I really...

カッチリしすぎちゃうのが課題でもあると思ってて

I think that being too rigid is also a problem.

でもちょっとなんかこう

But somehow, like this...

フリートークっぽいんだけど

It seems like it's a free talk.

番組として構成できる形ってなんかないのかなみたいな

I wonder if there's a way to structure it as a program.

もう本当枠組みだけ決めとけばいいような気もしますけど

I feel like we could just decide on the framework for now.

時間で切っちゃって

Cut it off by the time.

時間で切っちゃうというかお決まり事だけタイトルコール言うぐらい

It's more about cutting it off at a certain time, just saying the title call like we always do.

最後の呼び込みとかね

Like the final call, you know?

それだけ決めちゃって中身はもう大黒さんが

"Since you've decided that much, the contents are already up to Mr. Okubo."

ゲストとのインスピレーションも含めて自由に決めていく

Decide freely, including inspiration from the guests.

であればあんまりこう負荷は高くないと思うかなって思ったり

If that's the case, I think the load wouldn't be that high.

そういう意味だともう完全にノーヒットだと思うんですよ

I think that in that sense, it would completely be a no-hit.

その編集で言い間違いとかもそのままやっちゃうっていうのもあるかもしれないですね

There might also be instances where mistakes in speech are kept as they are in that edit.

20分一発勝負みたいですね

It seems like a 20-minute showdown.

ファーストテイクじゃないですけど

It's not the first take, but...

それは面白いかもしれないですね

That might be interesting.

15分って決めたら15分でもうピリピリってなって

If I decide on 15 minutes, I start getting tense after just 15 minutes.

あっ時間来てしまいました

Oh, the time has come.

それでおしまいに締めていくと

So, to wrap things up...

適度な緊張感っていうのが番組としてのその聞きやすさを作ってた部分は間違いなくて

The moderate tension undoubtedly contributed to the accessibility of the program.

そこはやってみないと分かんないところも

There are things you won't understand until you try them.

実際はありますね

It actually exists.

みんな少し自分の話をするってなった時に

When everyone was supposed to talk a little about themselves,

話す側にとっての勉強というか経験値とか

It's like studying or gaining experience for the speaker.

自分を編集し直すっていう行為をその機会を与えてたっていうのは

The act of re-editing oneself gave the opportunity to do so.

偉そうですけどそこの価値はすごいあるんだろうなと思ってはいます一応

It may sound pompous, but I do think that the value over there is really significant.

僕からは一応なんかこの継続に関して

As for me, I just wanted to mention something regarding this continuation.

まあ方針じゃないですけどこんなこと考えてました

Well, it's not a policy, but I've been thinking about things like this.

大竹さんなんかはどうですか?

How about Mr. Otake?

やっぱ街に来る形はあるといいなと思いましたね

I thought it would be nice if there was a way to come to the city after all.

ここに来る

Come here.

僕自身が一番聞いていて

I myself find it the most enjoyable to listen to.

しかも実際来てるってことじゃないですか

Moreover, it means that they are actually coming, right?

来て完結するなと思ってこの番組って

I thought this program would come to a conclusion when it arrives.

話聞いて実際食べに行ったりとか見に行ったりすることで

By listening to the stories, actually going to eat or see it, etc.

なんかその番組として保管されるじゃないですか

It's something that gets stored as part of the program, right?

あの話のものがすぐにいけるっていう環境にあるってあんまないと思うんで

I don't think there are many environments where you can immediately get to that kind of thing.

まあそういうのはちょっと今頃はなかなか難しいと思うんですけど

Well, I think it's a bit difficult to do such things at this time.

それがあるとなんかまた一個深くなるなと思いましたね

I felt like that made it a bit deeper again.

じゃあ来るのを楽しみにしていただいていたということですか?

So, you’ve been looking forward to coming?

ということでしょうか

Is that so?

それすごく嬉しいですよね

That's really嬉しい, isn't it?

大竹さんとかってもともと公演って全然知らなかったですよね

Mr. Otake, you originally didn't know anything about performances, did you?

縁も良かりもなくて本当に

It's really without any good connections.

今日来るからちょっと1時間早く着けるから昼飯食べちゃおうみたいな

Since I'm coming today, I thought I'd arrive a little earlier by an hour, so I might as well have lunch.

ケンタお前も行ったんですけどちょっと一人で

Kenta, you went too, but just for a bit alone.

行ってからお前収録会いったりとかねしてるんで

After going, you’ve been attending recording sessions and whatnot.

そういうのやるとなんかこう聞いてる人と

When you do that, it somehow makes the listeners feel...

まあめちゃくちゃ公開収録会が一番いいと思うんですけど

Well, I think an open recording session is the best.

うんうんうんうん

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

集めにくい空気ではあるんで ちょっとあれですけど

It's rather difficult to gather the air, so it's a bit of a problem.

それは楽しいかなと思います 公開収録っていうのはちょっとやりたいかもしれない

I think that could be fun. I might want to try a live recording.

お店で何人かお見せして

I'll show you a few people in the store.

今はちょっとコロナウイルスの影響でダメですけれども

Right now, it's not good due to the impact of the coronavirus.

多分今年中にはワクチンとか普及できたらいいなと思って

I hope that vaccines will be widely available sometime this year.

そしたら来年とか可能性あるのかなと思うんですよね

I wonder if there will be a possibility next year or something.

だから参加料だけじゃないとして それをちょっと回ればね

So it's not just the participation fee; if you circulate it a little, you know.

本当はもう毎週僕が収録して更新できればいいんですけれども

To be honest, it would be great if I could record and update every week.

それがどうなるかわからないので

I don't know what will happen because of that.

ただずっとできないわけじゃないんですよね

It's not that I can't do it forever.

いつ更新されるかわからない状態で

In a state of not knowing when it will be updated.

不定期更新であれば全然続けることは僕はできるかなと思ってますね

I think I can definitely continue if it's irregular updates.

もしくは

or

俺と

Me and

集団

Group

収録とかできるよみたいな人がいて

There seems to be someone who can do recording and stuff.

大黒さんと組んで収録してもらって

I partnered with Mr. Ōkuro for the recording.

それを僕が音をもらって

I will take the sound from that.

日本放送のコンテンツになるので

Because it will be content for NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation).

社員がチェックしなきゃいけないと思うので

I think the employees need to check it.

僕が一応チェックはさせていただくんですけれども

I'll check it just in case.

それをアップしていくとかね

Like uploading that, for example.

そういうやり方もできなくはないかなと

I wonder if it's possible to do it that way as well.

高円寺だったらそういうクリエイターもいるんじゃないかなって気がしますね

I feel like there might be creators like that in Koenji.

実際にこの番組のエンディングテーマって

Actually, the ending theme of this program is...

カネコさんがサウンドクリエイターのカネコさんが

Mr. Kaneko, the sound creator, is Mr. Kaneko.

無償で作ってくださったんですよね

You made it for free, didn't you?

きっかけしたやつ

The one who initiated it.

この番組好きだから作りますって言ってくださってて

"I'm going to make it because I like this show."

ちょっとチームを増やしてみますよ逆に

I'll try to increase the team a bit, on the contrary.

そういうのがいいかもしれないですね

That might be a good idea.

やっぱ大峠さんの感想もまさにそうだと思うんですけど

I think Mr. Ootouge's impression is exactly that too.

参加してる

I'm participating.

そうですよね

That's right.

森岡さんもそうですけど

It's the same with Morioka-san.

ライブに入ってるからこそ楽しいみたいな

It seems like it's fun precisely because you're in the live performance.

メイキングが一番楽しみだよね

I'm most looking forward to the making-of.

ちょっと悩んでる部分もあって

I'm a bit worried about some things.

他人にお任せっていうのはどうなのかなと思って

I wonder how it is to leave things to others.

思ったんですけども

I was thinking, though.

確かに枠だね

That's definitely a frame.

ただ枠が活性化しなくて

It's just that the frame isn't activating.

さびれてくぐらいだったら

If it's going to be desolate, then...

いろんな人の力をお借りして

With the help of various people.

支えてくってのもアリなんじゃないかなって僕は気がしてますね

I feel that supporting each other is also a valid option.

僕じゃなくちゃ嫌だっていう変なこだわりはないです

I don't have any strange fixation that it has to be me.

講演時のことが伝えられるチャンスが増えれば

If the chances to convey what was said during the lecture increase.

それは僕は全然アリなんじゃないかなと思ってるので

I think that's totally okay for me.

チーム増やすとしたら映像もやるのもアリだと思いますね

If we're going to expand the team, I think it's also a good idea to do video work.

映像も撮って

Also take some video.

ポッドキャストで音声を抜けばいいですね

It would be good to extract the audio from the podcast.

映像は映像で

Video is video.

ポッドキャストの音で使うでもいいですし

It's fine to use it for podcast audio too.

映像も出演した人がうまく自分のプロモーション部位みたいな感じで使えるといいですよね

It would be great if the people who appeared in the video could use it effectively as part of their own promotion.

そうすると今実はこの講演時ハイパイドバタラジオの映像バージョンをCMみたいに撮りたいって言って

So now, actually, during this presentation, I want to shoot a video version of the Hyperidobataradio like a commercial.

今撮り始めてるんですよ

I'm just starting to film now.

大町さんという方が

There is a person named Oomachi.

はいはい

Yes, yes.

もう一回ちょっと相談して番組の全体が変わっていくからっていうことで

I'll discuss it one more time, as the overall program will change because of that.

っていうのもまあありえますね

That’s something that could happen, I suppose.

そうですね

That's right.

コミュニティで作っていく形

A form created within the community.

聞いてなかったりするのかわからないけどね

I'm not sure if you were listening or not.

あんまりあとはヘビーにしたくないっていうのも一方であって

On one hand, I also don't want to make it too heavy.

仕事をして

Do your job.

そうですそうです

That's right, that's right.

だからそこら辺のこう

So around there, like this...

仕事仕事してない感じですかね

It feels a bit like I'm not working, doesn't it?

そうそう

That's right.

なんかあれですね

It’s kind of like that, isn’t it?

がっちりとした仕事としてやっちゃうと多分負担になっちゃうと思うんですよね

I think if I take it on as a solid job, it would probably become a burden.

みんなで楽しめる環境だったらいいですよね

It would be nice if it were an environment where everyone could enjoy themselves.

僕なんかは本当楽しかったのでやらせてもらってましたけど

I really enjoyed it, so I was allowed to do it.

実際僕自身も去年始めた時から比べると

In fact, compared to when I started last year myself,

単純にプロジェクト数が無だったんですよ

There simply weren't any projects.

始めた時は今結構時間が調整するのがちょっと難しくなってきてる部分もあって

When I started, it's become a bit difficult to adjust my time now.

だからそれでさらに

So that further...

増やすんだったら結構本当に濃いコンテンツにしたいし

If we're going to increase it, I want to make it really rich content.

もう少し気軽に継続できる形で

In a way that makes it easier to continue a little more casually.

逆にラフさを売りにしてくるっていう方法と

On the contrary, there's a method of selling the roughness.

中途半端じゃない方がいいっていうのはありますよね

It's better to not do things halfway, isn't it?

そうですね

That's right.

多分いろいろ今話してますけれども

Maybe we're talking about various things right now.

現実なところで言うと

To put it realistically,

まずはその

First of all, that...

僕が不定期ながらタッチしていくんですけども

I'll touch on it intermittently, though.

仮に今

Assuming now

大黒

Daikokuten

大黒・森岡・大竹

Ooguro, Morioka, Otake

っていうふうな3人でやってるじゃないですか

Aren't we doing it with those three people?

そのバージョンから

From that version.

もしかしたらさっき大黒さんが言った

Maybe what Mr. Ookuro just said.

さらに新しく仲間を増やすとかそういうこともあるかもしれないんですけども

There may also be possibilities of adding new members, among other things.

そこの変化も含めてどういうふうに形が変わっていくかも含めて

Including how the shape will change with those variations.

伝えていくっていうのもあるかなと

I think there’s also the idea of conveying it.

そうですね

That's right.

番組のプロジェクトの変化そのものをコンテンツ化していくということですね

It means that we will be turning the changes in the project's program itself into content.

ありですよねでも

It's possible, but...

そのぐらいの自由度というか読めなさっていうのが

It's that level of freedom or unpredictability.

毎週を楽しみにしていただいてる人にはちょっと申し訳ないんですけども

I feel a little sorry for those who look forward to every week, but...

ちょっと更新費が多分下がると思うんですけども

I think the update cost will probably decrease a bit.

ただその無くすわけじゃないので

It's just that it doesn't mean we'll lose it.

かつその形を変えていく可能性は全然あると思うので

I believe there is definitely a possibility that its form will change as well.

そこをちゃんとお伝えできるようにしていければな

I hope to be able to convey that properly.

なんかドラクエの人が増えていくみたいな

It seems like the number of people from Dragon Quest is increasing.

パーティー探すみたいなもんですよね

It's like looking for a party, isn't it?

そしたらまあそれがその

Well, then, that's...

細枠を用意しておいて更新が1ヶ月かかるとか

Preparing a narrow frame and then taking a month for the update.

別にありなんだったら

If it's not a problem.

まあありですね

Well, that's fine.

それでいきますか

Shall we go with that?

もうまた来週からレギュラーで形いきなりカチッと決めて進めるんじゃなくて

Starting next week, we won't just suddenly push forward and solidify everything in a regular way again.

ちょっと1回1ヶ月くらいじゃこの放送が終わった後

Just for a moment, after this broadcast ends in about a month.

間空けてもいいから

It's okay to have some space in between.

ちょっと次の体制考えて

Let's think about the next system a bit.

次の時はこうなってます現状

This is what the current situation looks like for the next time.

ちょっとこういうことやってみますみたいな

I'll try doing something like this a little.

でもまあまたその2回3回やった後に

But well, after doing it a couple of times again.

もうちょっとこういう形にしていきますことにしましたみたいな

I've decided to shape it a little more like this.

のも含めて見せていくっていう

Including that, I will show you.

そうするとやっぱりその最終的な目的はどこに置くんだっていうとこだけはぶれない方がいい

In that case, it's important not to waver on where to place the ultimate goal.

そうですよね

That's right.

最終的な目的っていうのは

The ultimate goal is...

まあというかこうコンセプトその大元の軸になる

Well, in a way, this concept is the core axis of it all.

そこはやっぱりあれじゃないですか

Isn't that just the way it is?

高円寺の人を通じて高円寺のことを知ってもらうっていいんじゃないですか

Isn't it a good idea to let people know about Koenji through the people of Koenji?

なるほど

I see.

街を知ってもらう

Letting people get to know the town.

そうですね

That's right.

全体を

As a whole

でまあ高円寺のことを好きになってもらうっていうかまあ来てもらうでもいいですし

Well, it's more about getting you to like Koenji or at least come visit.

まあまずは知ってもらう

Well, first, I want them to get to know.

なるほどねはいはいはい

I see, uh-huh, uh-huh.

それですね

That's right.

まあ好きになるかどうかはその人の感性なんで

Well, whether or not you come to like someone depends on that person's sensitivity.

変わらず

Still unchanged.

こんな街嫌だよっていう人は別に無理に好きになってもらう必要ないですし

If someone says they don't like this town, there's no need to force them to like it.

ただありのままの生の声を伝えていくっていうのは

It's simply about conveying the raw voice of life as it is.

人を通して街を伝えていく

Conveying the city through people.

はいはい

Yes, yes.

シンプルでそのまあ変わらずですよね

It's simple and pretty much the same, isn't it?

そうですね

That's right.

一番普遍なねテーマですよね

It's the most universal theme, isn't it?

というわけで今週はね大体なんとなく方向性が見えたんじゃないかなと思うんですけど

So, I think this week we have sort of figured out the direction we want to take.

このフリースタイル

This freestyle.

会議セッション

Conference session

まさに井戸端ラジオ

It's truly a neighborhood radio.

ゲストは当番組ディレクターの森岡さんと当番組放送作家のおたけさんでした

The guests were Morioka, the director of this program, and Otake, the scriptwriter of this program.

ありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

大光ケンジでしたありがとうございました

It was Daiko Kenji, thank you very much.