第94回 副業入門講座「会社がやるべきこと５選（労働条件・副業規定の作成）」

こんにちは 遠藤克樹です

Hello, this is Katsuki Endo.

久野正弥のローブの未来 久野先生よろしくお願いいたします

The future of Masaya Kuno's robe. Thank you, Professor Kuno.

お願いします

Please.

さあということで今日もいきたいと思いますが

Alright, with that being said, I would like to get started today as well.

副業の続きということで第2弾やっていきたいなと思います

Since we're continuing with the side job, I would like to dive into the second installment.

しばらく副業シリーズ続きそうですけども

It seems that the side job series will continue for a while.

ちょっと前回のおさらいからさっといきましょうか

Shall we quickly go over what we covered last time?

そうですね前回のおさらいで副業をするとき

That's right, in the review from last time, when doing side jobs...

させるかどうかを決めるときに会社がやるべきことが5つあるようなところで

It seems that there are five things a company should do when deciding whether to allow it or not.

前回3つ話させてもらったんですけど

I talked about three things last time, but...

見てない方は前回のフォトキャスト聞いていただいて

For those who haven't seen it, please listen to the previous photicast.

1つ目が副業を認めるかどうかを決めるということですね

The first point is deciding whether to allow side jobs.

そりゃそうですよねということと

Well, that's true, isn't it?

あとは認める方式を決めるというところで

Now we just need to decide on the method for approval.

許可制とかそういう話をさせてもらう

I'll talk about things like permission systems.

届出制とかねあると

If there's something like a notification system, you know.

3番目が認める業種の範囲を決めるというところで

The third point is about determining the scope of industries recognized.

これは

This is

例えば長時間労働の観点とか

For example, from the perspective of long working hours.

情報漏洩の観点とか

From the perspective of information leakage, etc.

昼間仕事に集中できないじゃないかとか

You can't concentrate on work during the day, can you?

そういったことから範囲を決めるといいよという話

It's a suggestion to set boundaries based on those kinds of things.

という話をしてきましたという中で

I have been talking about such things.

今日残り2つの項目がまずはどこからいきますか

Which of the two remaining items should we start with today?

まず副業先での労働条件を決めるというところと

First, determine the working conditions at the side job.

あと副業規定を作成するというこの2つですね

Also, these two: creating a side job policy.

副業先での労働条件を決めるというところと

Deciding the working conditions at the side job.

労働条件をこっち側というか決めるんですか

Are you going to decide the labor conditions on this side?

決めていいんですか

Is it okay for me to decide?

これ意外かもしれないんですけど

This might be unexpected, but...

副業を始めるって決まったら

Once you've decided to start a side job.

これやってほしいことが1個ありまして

I have one thing I would like you to do.

まずプロセスとしてはまず1個目が

First, the process starts with the first one.

従業員に副業許可申請書というのを出させるんですね

You make employees submit a side job permission application.

私は何々でこういう仕事をやりたいですというところで

I want to do this kind of work in that field.

お伺いをされるような形にしてもらって

Please make it in a way that I can inquire.

会社がいいですよという形になったら

If the company agrees, then...

初めて相談の

For the first consultation

交渉ごとに乗れるというようなイメージなんです

It gives the impression that one can engage in negotiations.

今度次は例えば総務とか人事と

Next time, for example, in general affairs or human resources.

副業をやりたい人と話をして

Talk to people who want to do side jobs.

そこでどういう働き方で働くかというところで

So, it's about what kind of working style to adopt.

副業合意書副業権業もあるんですけど

There is also a side business agreement, but there are rights related to side businesses.

副業に関する合意書みたいなものを

Something like an agreement regarding side jobs.

会社と従業員で作るというのが一般的な流れです

It is common for the company and the employees to create it together.

副業合意書

Side Business Agreement

なぜこれがいるかというと

The reason why this is needed is...

はい

Yes

要は個別具体的に細かく取り決めておかないと

In short, if you don't make specific and detailed arrangements,

働き先がみんな違うわけなので

Since everyone's workplace is different.

というようなところから

From such a place as this.

本当に個別契約に近い形になるんですけど

It will really be in a form that is close to an individual contract.

それを決めるということですね

That means to decide on that.

へーそこまでするんですね

Oh, you really go that far, huh?

例えば副業先は週3回までしか働かないとか

For example, you might only work at your side job up to three times a week.

副業先では何時から何時までで

At the side job, it's from what time to what time?

時間外労働してもいいのかしてもいけないのかとか

Is it okay to work overtime or not?

した場合何時から何時までで

If that happens, from what time to what time?

何時までにするのかっていうのを決めるんですよ

You need to decide by what time you will do it.

なるほど

I see.

でこういう話はしていいとかしちゃいけないとか

It's okay to talk about things like this or not.

絶対にしちゃいけないとか

Things you absolutely must not do.

それはあの協業基地とかの観点からとかですか

Is that from the perspective of collaboration bases or something similar?

そうですね

That's right.

守秘とか

Confidentiality, etc.

はい

Yes

で反対に合意書に違反したら

If you violate the agreement, on the contrary...

副業を取り消しますよみたいな

"I'll cancel the side job, you know."

あー

Ah-

否定的なものを含めて

Including negative things.

っていうような形ですね

It's in that kind of form, isn't it?

で何でこんなこと言ってるかっていうと

The reason I'm saying this is because...

一つが過重労働っていうところで

One aspect is the excessive labor.

あの

Well...

基本的に

Basically

基本的にはですね

Basically,

メインの勤務先がですね

The main place of employment is...

普通に所定労働時間働きまして

I will work the regular hours as usual.

そうすると副業先っていうのは

So, what about the side job?

完全に法律の時間外で働いてるわけなんで

I'm completely working outside of legal hours.

そこで80時間以上働きましたとか

"I worked there for over 80 hours."

副業先プラス自社の残業を合わせて

Combining overtime from the side job with our company's overtime.

80時間超えました100時間超えましたって言って

"I've exceeded 80 hours, I've exceeded 100 hours."

もう倒れてしまった時は

If you have already collapsed.

安全配慮義務っていうのを

The duty of ensuring safety.

基本的に副業先と連携して

Basically, in collaboration with my side job.

こういうような形になるんですよね

It becomes something like this.

その場合は連帯なんですね

In that case, it's solidarity, isn't it?

基本は連帯だし

The foundation is solidarity.

反対に知らなかったじゃ済まされないんですよね

On the contrary, not knowing isn't an excuse, is it?

例えば

For example

そうなんですか

Is that so?

そうですね

That's right.

もちろん知らないにはいろいろあると思うんですけど

Of course, I think there are many reasons for not knowing.

完全に内緒にしてたら別だと思うんですけど

I think it would be different if I had kept it completely a secret.

でも普段から健康管理に気をつけるっていうのは

But usually paying attention to health management is...

メインの事業所追ってますんで

I'm following the main office.

なんか疲れてるなって思った時に

When I thought I was feeling somewhat tired.

何も聞かなかったじゃ済まされないんですよね

It's not something that can be dismissed by saying I didn't hear anything, is it?

うーん

Hmm.

なのでとにかくもう

So anyway, just...

把握するという努力を

The effort to grasp.

徹底的にしなきゃいけないよというところと

You have to do it thoroughly.

あとまずいと思ったら

If you think something is bad...

止められる仕組みを作っておかないといけないよ

We need to create a mechanism that can stop it.

っていうのがポイントですね

That's the key point, isn't it?

ちゃんと労働を管理しなきゃいけないって感じですね

It feels like we really have to manage our work properly.

すごい平たく言うと

To put it very simply,

そうです

That's right.

であともう一個はね

And one more thing, you know.

未払い残業の問題がありまして

There is an issue with unpaid overtime.

はい

Yes

残業代の支払い方法みたいな感じで

Like the method of payment for overtime work.

次回ちょっとまた触れられるかなと思うんですけど

I think I might be able to touch on it again next time.

お金の生産っていうのがあったりするんですよね

There is something called the production of money, you know.

ここはややこしそうですね

It looks a bit complicated here.

はい

Yes

であとね社会保険の未加入

And also, not enrolled in social insurance.

これも結構大変なんですけど

This is also quite difficult.

例えば副業先で

For example, at the side job...

はい

Yes

よくポッドキャストでも取り上げてますけど

It's often discussed on podcasts as well.

10月からは

From October onwards

51人以上働いている会社って

A company with more than 51 employees.

週20時間以上働くと

If you work more than 20 hours a week

社会保険に加入しなきゃいけない

I have to enroll in social insurance.

ありましたね

It was there, wasn't it?

そうすると副業先で

In that case, at the side job...

週20時間以上働くとですね

If you work more than 20 hours a week...

社会保険に加入させなきゃいけないんですよ

You have to enroll them in social insurance.

そうすると

In that case...

あーそういうこと

Ah, I see what you mean.

2以上勤務と言いまして

It means "I'm talking about working more than two days."

はい

Yes

今の会社と

With the current company...

2以上勤務と言いまして

It means "I said it's more than 2 shifts."

副業先とですね

With my side job, you see.

社会保険両方入ってですね

I'm enrolled in both social insurances.

両方入って接班しなきゃいけない

Both need to participate in the shift.

というルールがあります

There is a rule that says so.

えーどういうことですか

Uh, what does that mean?

社会保険の会社負担分を

The company's share of social insurance.

それぞれ受けようと

Let's each try to receive it.

あと給与で安分するって形なんです

It's a way to distribute it based on the salary.

給与の割合で安分するというルールになってます

The rule is to divide it based on the salary ratio.

なるほど

I see.

そうすると相手が入っているかどうか知らないと

In that case, you won't know whether the other person is inside or not.

手続きしたらできないので

If you proceed with the process, you won't be able to do it.

なるほどですね

I see.

うわーややこしそうですね

Wow, that seems complicated.

ややこしいでしょ

It's complicated, isn't it?

はい

Yes

ちょっと今日は大枠なんで

Today is just a broad overview.

ちょっとディテールには入らない方がいいですかね

Maybe it's better not to get into the details too much?

そうですね

That's right.

そういうのを次でやるかもしれない

I might do something like that next time.

という形ですね

That's the way it is.

はいはいはいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

それだけ決めて

Just decide that much.

あれですよね

That's right, isn't it?

申請副業許可申請書があって

There is an application form for permission to engage in side jobs.

合意書を作って

Create a memorandum of agreement.

合意書を作った上で

After creating the agreement.

ただ会社としてのグランドルールみたいなのを

Just a kind of grand rule for the company.

作らなきゃいけないので

Because I have to make it.

そこで副業規定みたいなのを作成するんです

So, I'm going to create some kind of side job regulations.

就業職の一部ですよね

It's part of the job, isn't it?

副業規定ね

It's about the side job policy.

はい

Yes

ポイントは

The point is

目的とか

Purpose or something like that.

適用範囲みたいな感じで

Like a scope of application.

どこの社員に適用しますよと

It will be applied to employees from which company.

あー

Ah–

そっかそっか

I see, I see.

全社員じゃない場合もあるわけですね

It may not be the case for all employees.

はい

Yes

あと許可のプロセスルールですよね

It's also about the rules of the permission process, right?

申請書出さずにやっても許可しませんよとかですね

"I won't allow it unless you submit the application."

あと一般的な留意事項とか

Also, general points to keep in mind.

あと許可の要件とかまとめておいたほうがいいと思います

I think it would be good to summarize the requirements for permission as well.

例えば

For example

許可申請書出てきたのに

Even though the application for permission has come out.

あいつはなんかサボりそうだなとか言って

I feel like that guy will slack off or something.

日にちゅう

During the day

許可

Permission

許可しないとかしてると

If you keep saying you won't allow it...

完全にあのなんか

Completely, something like that.

人事の裁量になっちゃうので

It will be left to the discretion of human resources.

はいはい

Yes, yes.

なのでこういうルールで許可してますよみたいなことの

So it's like saying that we allow it under these kinds of rules.

基準を明確にするということです

It means to clarify the criteria.

ルール作りね

Making rules, huh?

あとは時間管理の方法の一般的なパターンを入れておくということと

Additionally, it involves incorporating general patterns of time management methods.

あと一番大事なのは禁止事項ですね

And the most important thing is the prohibited items, right?

で禁止事項を破ったら

If you break the prohibited items.

例えば合意書を作ったんだけど

For example, I created an agreement.

合意書を破ったら取り消しますよとか

If you break the agreement, I will cancel it.

こういうような事案

Such incidents like this.

例えば仕事中に寝てたと

For example, you were sleeping during work.

これが2回も注意されたら

If I've been warned about this twice...

副業を禁止します

Side jobs are prohibited.

とかいう形で

In that form or something like that.

禁止事項も入れておくっていうのは大事かなという風に思っています

I think it’s important to include the prohibited actions as well.

なんか話を聞けば聞くほど

The more I hear about it, the more...

副業を認めるの

Recognizing side jobs.

感情的に言うんだったら

If I were to say it emotionally,

めんどくさって感じですね

It feels bothersome, doesn't it?

そうなんです

That's right.

だから大半の会社は

So most companies are

労務管理に自信がないから

Because I lack confidence in labor management.

やりませんっていう会社が多いです

Many companies say they won't do it.

あー

Ah-

なんか働かせたくないとかじゃなくてね

It's not that I don't want you to work or anything.

そうで僕の肌感としても

Well, that's also my personal feeling.

中小企業にこの管理はもう不可能だと思います

I think it's already impossible for small and medium-sized enterprises to manage this.

うーん

Hmm.

それはあまりにちょっと

That's a bit too much.

手間がかかりすぎる

It's too time-consuming.

そう副業って認めたら

Once you acknowledge it as a side job,

やっていいよって話じゃないんですね

It's not a matter of whether you're allowed to do it.

認めることによって

By acknowledging it

仕事が増えちゃうんですねむちゃくちゃ

It seems that work is going to increase, which is crazy.

管理等の

Management, etc.

例えば自社の方が

For example, our company...

自分の会社の方がほとんど残業ない

There is hardly any overtime at my company.

っていう会社だったら

If it's a company like that.

本当に副業の時間分くらいが

It's really about the amount of time for a side job.

少し法廷から出てる

I'm stepping out of the courtroom for a bit.

労働時間で走るんだけど

I'm running on working hours.

自分の会社も結構残業があるし

There's quite a bit of overtime at my company as well.

副業の時間分くらいが

About the time spent on a side job.

副業先も結構肌に働かせるみたいなもので

It seems that my side job also requires a lot of physical effort.

副業させると

If you make them do side jobs,

ちょっとこれはこれでまずいかなみたいなところがありますよね

There are parts where you feel like this might be a bit problematic, right?

そうなんですね

I see.

いやーちょっと

Well, that's something...

今回はね大枠言ってるんですけれども

This time, I'm giving you the big picture.

じゃあ具体的に

Well, specifically...

どのくらい時間

How much time?

残業代が出た時にどう安分するか

How to divide the overtime pay when it comes out.

みたいな話し出すとまたもう

If we start talking like that again...

頭から火出そうな感じの

It feels like my head is on fire.

匂いがしてますが

It has a smell.

その辺の話は

That kind of story.

少し次回触れていきますか

Shall we touch on it a bit next time?

そうですね次回少し

Well, next time a little.

労災の話と

The topic of work-related accidents and

あと雇用保険

Also, unemployment insurance.

どこで入ったらいいの問題っていうのと

The issue of where to enter.

一番めんどくさい時間管理の話

The most tedious time management story.

ちょっとさらっとして

Just a little refreshing.

もう聞いたら嫌になると思いますけど

I think you will hate it if you hear it again, but...

次回もぜひ聞いていただけると

I hope you'll listen again next time.

いうことですね

That's what you're saying.

労働時間と労災そして社会保険

Working hours, labor disasters, and social insurance.

加入に関してのどういう風な

What kind of information regarding joining?

形になるのかと副業の場合

Whether it takes shape in the case of a side job.

お伝えしていきたい

I would like to convey this.

というところで

At that point

今日は終わりますか

Are we done for today?

はい終わりましょう

Yes, let's finish.

終わりましょう

Let's finish.

ありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

本日の番組はいかがでしたか

How was today's program?

この番組では

In this program,

久野正弥の質問を受け付けております

We are accepting questions from Masaya Kuno.

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