#039 宇都宮隆さんとの研究「40年」

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J-WAVE ロジスティード トモローラボラトリー 略してトモラボ

J-WAVE Logisteed Tomoro Laboratory, abbreviated as Tomo Lab.

チーフの井桁博です

I am Hironobu Igeta, the chief.

毎週一つの意思を決めて

Decide on one intention each week.

様々な角度から見立てる研究所という名のラジオ

A radio called a research institute that examines from various angles.

トモラボ

Tomolabo

このポッドキャストを聞いた後

After listening to this podcast

皆さんそれぞれ自分にしっくりくるヒントや

Everyone has their own hints that resonate with them.

考える選択肢が増えることを願っています

I hope you have more options to think about.

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今回は2024年9月7日にラジオでオンエアした

This was aired on the radio on September 7, 2024.

宇都宮隆さんを迎えしてお話しした一週

A week spent discussing with Takashi Utsunomiya.

40年のディレクターズカット版です

This is the 40th anniversary director's cut edition.

時勢などの表現は

Expressions of the times, etc.

オンエア当時のままお届けしますので

We will deliver it just as it was during the on-air time.

ご了承ください

Thank you for your understanding.

こんばんは宇都宮隆です

Good evening, this is Takashi Utsunomiya.

宇都宮隆 東京生まれ

Takahiro Utsunomiya, born in Tokyo.

中学生よりアコースティックギターを手にし

I picked up an acoustic guitar in middle school.

キネナオトとともに音楽活動を開始

Started music activities with Kinenauto.

高校卒業後スピードウェイとしてデビューした後

After debuting as a speedway racer after graduating from high school.

1983年に

In 1983.

コムロの音楽を始めた

I started listening to Komuro's music.

コムロ徹夜 キネナオトとTMネットワークを結成

Komuro Tetsuya forms a group with Kinen Naoto and TM Network.

翌年アルバムレインボーレインボーと

The following year, the album "Rainbow Rainbow" and

シングル金曜日のライオン

Single Friday Lion

テイクイットトゥーザラッキーを同時にリリースした

Released "Take It to the Lucky" simultaneously.

デジタルシンセサイザーやサンプラーを駆使して

Utilizing digital synthesizers and samplers.

ダンスミュージックとJポップを結びつけた楽曲で

A song that brings together dance music and J-pop.

日本の音楽シーンに変革をもたらす

Bringing about a transformation in the Japanese music scene.

1994年にプロジェクト終了を宣言

Declaration of project completion in 1994.

東京ドームトゥーデイズ

Tokyo Dome Two Days

東京ドームトゥーデイズは伝説となっている

Today's Tokyo Dome has become legendary.

その後ソロ活動や俳優としてミュージカルレントに出演するなど

After that, he engaged in solo activities and appeared in the musical Rent as an actor.

新しいジャンルにも挑戦

Challenging a new genre.

2024年はTMネットワークの結成40周年イヤーとして

The year 2024 marks the 40th anniversary of the formation of TM Network.

ライブツアーやアルバムのリリースなど精力的に活動

Active with live tours and album releases.

また9月28日

Also, September 28th.

ZEPPダイバーシティ東京を皮切りに

Starting with ZEPP DiverCity Tokyo

宇都宮たかしツアー2024

Takahashi Utsunomiya Tour 2024

U-WAVEセミコロンミックスを全国7カ所で開催する

Holding U-WAVE Semicolon Mix at seven locations nationwide.

よろしくお願いします

Thank you in advance.

初めましてです

Nice to meet you.

TMネットワークさん今年が40周年

TM Network is celebrating its 40th anniversary this year.

おめでとうございます

Congratulations!

はいありがとうございます

Yes, thank you.

実感としては体感どんな感じなんですか40周年

What does the 40th anniversary feel like to you personally?

例えばアルフィーさん50周年かな

For example, is it Alfee's 50th anniversary?

あの人たちってずっとやってきて

Those people have been doing it for a long time.

はい

Yes

50周年迎えてるわけで

It's the 50th anniversary.

僕たちって10年で一度終わったので

We ended our relationship once every ten years.

あーそっか

Ah, I see.

はいそれから時折何年が何年後とかで

Yes, and then sometimes there are years and years later.

たまに集まるぐらいだったので

It was just about gathering occasionally.

そういう密な感じではないので

It's not that kind of close feeling.

じゃあ体感としては気づけばっていう感じですか

So, is it more of a feeling that you notice without realizing it?

そうですね

That's right.

でも私まだ27年しか生きていないので

But I have only lived for 27 years so far.

27年だもんね

It's been 27 years, right?

40周年っていうその

It's the 40th anniversary, you know.

年月の長さが全然体感としてわからないんですけれども

I don't really have any sense of how long a year feels.

じゃあいろんな40周年いろんなことがあったっていう感じですか

So it feels like there have been various things happening for the 40th anniversary, huh?

そうですね

That's right.

なんかそのソロ自分のソロで31年ぐらいなので

I've been doing my solo for about 31 years now.

そっちの方が濃さで言ったらそっちの方が濃いですね

If we're talking about richness, that one is richer.

毎年やってきてるから

Because it comes every year.

そこの31年は

Thirty-one years over there.

この実際に最初TMネットワーク結成の時って

This was actually during the time when TM Network was first formed.

40周年って何年か経ったんですかね

I wonder how many years have passed since the 40th anniversary.

30周年で想像してましたか

Did you imagine it would be 30 years?

全くだから10年で一度終わったで

That's why it ended once in ten years.

ちょうどその頃にソロ始めたので

I just started soloing around that time.

もうずっとソロでやっていくんだなという感じですね

It feels like I'm going to be doing this solo for a long time.

その後にじゃあまたやろうっていうのは

"After that, let's do it again."

どういうきっかけで集まる

What brings them together?

なんかその都度何かがあって

It seems like something happens each time.

例えばこういうイベントとかわからないけど

For example, I don’t know about events like this.

何かこういうものがあるけどどうって小室から言われて

I was told by Komuro that there is something like this, but what do you think?

とかそういう形で何回かやったって感じですね

I feel like we've done it several times in that way.

皆さんはどんな感じ

How is everyone doing?

お二人はどんな感じで40周年を迎えられてたんでしょうか

How did you two celebrate your 40th anniversary?

多分同じような感じだと思う

I think it’s probably something similar.

いや本当はこの3人って同じような感じの性格が近いからやってこれるっていうか

Actually, the reason these three can work together is that they have similar personalities.

じゃあ何やんないって言ったらいいよっていう感じが

Well, it feels like it's okay to say you won't do anything then.

へー

Oh really?

どういう性格なんですか皆さん

What kind of personalities do you all have?

暑くないって感じ

It doesn't feel hot.

あー

Ah-

じゃあ温度感が近い

Then the temperature feels similar.

すごい近い

It's really close.

高すぎず低すぎるわけでもないですもんね

It's not too high or too low, right?

だから喧嘩とかもないし

So there are no fights or anything like that.

なんか別に何年後に会って

It's like, meeting again after a few years or something.

でパッてスタジオとかどっか入ってこうやると

So when you suddenly go into a studio or somewhere and do this...

おはようって普通の感じ

It feels like a normal "good morning."

じゃあ年月空いても関係性が変わらない

Well, even if time passes, the relationship doesn't change.

うん

Yeah.

なんかポジション的にはあるんですかこうリーダーツッコミボケとか

Is there a position like a leader, a straight man, or a funny guy?

あーそんなのはないんですけど

Ah, there's nothing like that.

一応リーダー小室になってるので

For now, I'm the leader, Komuro.

だからTMに関しては

So regarding TM,

だからまあ彼がこういうこっちゃやってみたいなとかそういうので

So, well, he might want to try something like this or something like that.

で記念と僕がいいんじゃないっていう

I think it's good for a commemoration.

あーユーニューシューでじゃあ喧嘩とかもなく

Ah, so there's no fighting with you, huh?

ないですね

It doesn't exist.

ただ記念がね

It's just a keepsake, you know.

あの大変だったら

If it was difficult.

時は割と真剣に音楽やってました

I was seriously doing music at the time.

えーそれどういう感じですか

Umm, what does that feel like?

あのギターってもともと

That guitar originally...

特にエレキギターとかって

Especially electric guitars, for example.

もともとそんな弾かなかった人なので

They weren't really the type to be bouncy to begin with.

だいたいサポートメンバーが弾くので

Basically, the support members will play.

まあちょっとリズム切ってるぐらいだったのが

Well, it was just a little off rhythm.

その3人だけのライブが今回あったんで

There was a live performance with just those three people this time.

その時にずっといろんなこと弾かされてるんですよ

At that time, I was being forced to play various things.

あー

Ah-

すごい煮詰まってたの初めてみたいな

It's like I've never seen something so intense before.

音楽やってんじゃんみたいな

It’s like, "Aren’t you doing music?"

あーえそれじゃあ最近になってってことですか

Ah, so you're saying that it has been recently, huh?

そうです

That's right.

えーじゃあほんと40周年こう穏やかにというか

Well then, it's really the 40th anniversary, so let's celebrate it peacefully, or rather...

うん

Yeah.

そんな大きな波がなく

There aren't any big waves like that.

うんそうですね

Yeah, that's right.

あーだからこう気づけば40周年っていう感覚なんですね

Ah, so that's why it feels like it's been 40 years when I realize it.

うん

Yeah.

じゃあその中でこう続けるために

Well then, in order to continue with that.

とはいえやっぱ40周年40年続けるってすごく

That said, it's still amazing to have lasted for 40 years, celebrating the 40th anniversary.

まあ私の中でも果てしない

Well, it's endless even within me.

うん

Yeah.

ことな感じがするんですけれども

It feels a bit different, though.

その中でこう大切にしてきたことというか

What I have cherished in the midst of it all is...

意識してきたこと

Things I have been conscious of.

続ける上で大事だったことって

What was important for continuing?

なんでしょうね

I wonder what it is.

まあもちろんあの一人とか

Well, of course, that one person or something.

もうその3人でもいいんですけど

It's fine with those three already.

その押し付けないっていうか

It's more like not being pushy.

なんかまあ割とそのやっぱりファンの人たちが

Well, it seems that the fans are quite...

いてくれたっていうのも大きい

It's also a big deal that you were there for me.

一番大きいというか

It's the biggest, or rather...

一番大きいんですけど

It's the largest.

うん

Yeah.

でどうやったらその楽しませるか

So how can we make it fun?

あー

Ahー

で自分も楽しみながらどうやってあのお客さんを楽しませるかっていうところかな

It's about how I can entertain that customer while also enjoying myself.

そこがずっとモチベーション

That's been my motivation all along.

ずっとはい

Always yes

だからTMの場合はどうやったらびっくりしてもらえるかなとか

So in the case of TM, I'm wondering how I can make them surprised.

そういうことですかね

Is that how it is?

中学生の時のアコースティックギターっていうところが

The part about being an acoustic guitar in middle school

はい

Yes

こうプロフィールにはありましたか

Was this in the profile?

ありましたけど最初からその音楽ビビッときたんですか

I heard it, but did that music resonate with you from the start?

それとも他にもやりたいことがあった中で

Or was there something else you wanted to do?

えっとね小学校から音楽がすごい好きでしたね

Well, I've really loved music since elementary school.

あーそれは楽器歌どっちもですか

Ah, so it's both an instrument and a song?

なんか聞くのがすごく好きで

I really love listening to things.

で洋楽とか邦楽とかそういうのを

Like Western music and Japanese music, that kind of thing.

ラジオとかでこう聞くのが好きで

I like listening to things like this on the radio.

へー

Wow.

で方や俳優さんも好きで

On the other hand, I also like actors.

おーはい

Oh yes!

はいでなんかこうかっこいいなこの職業みたいな

Yes, I think this profession is kind of cool.

当時はその日活ってなんかそういうスターたちがいっぱい

At that time, Nikkatsu had a lot of those kinds of stars.

映画スター

Movie star

あの時代にすごいかっこいいなと思って

I thought it was really cool during that time.

俳優とかなれないのかなとか

I wonder if I can’t become an actor or something.

おー

Oh!

一度なんか

Just once.

高校卒業かなの時かな

Is it when I graduated from high school?

なんかあの劇団ってあるじゃないですか

There's that theater company, isn't there?

そういう子供たちも入るような

Children like that can also join.

あれに応募したことあります

I have applied for that.

えーーー

Ehhh???

あそうなんですか

Oh, is that so?

はい

Yes

それで

So.

はい

Yes

写真と書類で受かったので

I passed with photos and documents.

はい

Yes.

えそんなんで受かるんだとか思って

I thought that you could pass just like that.

それで金額見たら

So when I looked at the amount...

当時の金額にしてたらばっか高かったので

It was pretty expensive for the amount at that time.

そのニュー

That new one.

ニュー団する

Form a new group.

ニュー団するための

For the purpose of forming a new group.

はぁー

Haa~

それはうちないっていう

That's not what we say.

お金払わないと入れない

You can't enter without paying.

入れなかったですね

I couldn't get in, could I?

だからすごいお金だったと思うよ

So I think it was a lot of money.

当時で何十万って言ったらすごいよね

It was incredible to say hundreds of thousands back then.

じゃあもしそれがお金かからなくて

Well, if that doesn't cost any money...

劇団に進んでたら

If I had joined the theater company...

今のティームネットワーク

Current team network

ない

None

でもそのキネと高校も一緒だったので

But that Kine was also in high school with me.

で

Then

キネがあの音楽を中学から始めてたの知ってたので

I knew that Kine started that music in middle school.

で高校の文化祭でクラスの人男の子とあのなんか意気投合してでなんかフォークギター持って二人でその文化祭に出たんですよ

During the high school cultural festival, I hit it off with a boy from my class, and we performed together at the festival with a folk guitar.

はい

Yes.

そしたらそれを見てたキネが

Then Kine, who was watching that, said...

はい

Yes

あやってるんだっていう感じで

It feels like they are doing it that way.

それで誘われてきたんですよね

So that's why I was invited here, right?

はい

Yes

あでこうこう

Adorable elegance.

はい

Yes

それから二人でなんかやろうよみたいな感じ

Then it felt like we should do something together.

すごいなんか改めてその結成の時の話を聞けることってなかなか

It's amazing to be able to hear about the time of their formation again.

うんね

Yeah.

貴重というかそういう

It's not so much precious as...

でもそこから40周年

But from there, it's the 40th anniversary.

時代とともに

With the times.

うん

Yeah.

音楽の文化も大きく変わってきたと思うんですけど

I think the culture of music has changed significantly.

そこに対してどういう風に変化していったのかそれともしなかったのか

How it changed in relation to that, or whether it didn't change at all.

音とか

Sound, etc.

うん

Yeah.

そういうアイディアだったりって小室が一番敏感なのってすごくいろいろ考えて常にやってたので

It’s impressive that Komuro is the most sensitive to ideas like that, as he has always been thinking and doing a lot of different things.

その辺は全然安心してたっていう感じですね

It feels like I was completely at ease about that.

早かったですかこの音楽文化のカルチャーの変化って40周年実際にその中で活動されてきた方にからしてどういう感じで変わっていったんですか

Has the change in this music culture felt fast? For those who have been active in it for 40 years, what has been your impression of how it has evolved?

なんかそのTM

Somehow that TM.

のデビューからずっといろんなことを考えてやってきて

Since my debut, I've been thinking about various things and doing them.

それがちょっとやっと追いついてくれた感じがする

It feels like it has finally caught up a bit.

おー時代が

Oh, the times!

そうだから配信とかも無観客でライブ映像を作ったり

That's why we've also made live videos without an audience for streaming.

それがもう40年前近いから

That's nearly 40 years ago now.

だからそういうのも含めてなんかやっとここ来たんだみたいな

So, including all of that, it feels like I finally made it here.

へー

Oh really?

それはでも見越してって

Well, that's something to anticipate.

それはね本人に聞いてみないと分かんないですけど

I don't know unless I ask the person themselves.

見越してはないと思うんだけど

I don't think it's something I've anticipated.

見越してたらすごいなとも思いますけどね

I think it would be amazing if you had anticipated that.

すごいじゃあ今なんか順応してきてる感じもあるっていう感じなんですかね

That's amazing! So it feels like you're adapting to it now?

そのファンの皆さんは40周年どういうふうに受け止めてらっしゃるのかっていうのは体感感じたりしますか

How do you feel the fans are perceiving the 40th anniversary? Do you feel it in your experience?

あの意外と人数がすごく多かったので

Surprisingly, there were quite a lot of people.

多分その

Maybe that.

デモ撮りファンみたいな人たちがたくさんいたんだなっていう感じが

It feels like there were a lot of people who are fans of demo recordings.

コアなファンは多分もちろんいるんで

There are probably many dedicated fans, of course.

それ以外の人たち

Other people.

あと業界の人たちとか

Also, people in the industry, etc.

えこんないるんだっていう感じを

It feels like there's an echo.

その40周年の時にいろんな場所で地方も行ったし

During that 40th anniversary, we went to various places including the regions.

でその地方の曲とか行ったりすると

When you go to that region, and listen to the local songs…

すごい歓迎がすごくて

The welcome was amazing.

だからこういう年代の人たちがファンなんだっていう

That's why people of this age group are fans.

なんか聞いたことあるのはちょっとビジュアル系に近かったから

I think I've heard something that was a bit close to visual kei.

その最初の頃は

In the early days of that.

だからみんな本当ファンなのにっていう感じで

So it feels like everyone is really a fan, you know?

なんかあんまり言わない人が多かったって

It seems that there were a lot of people who didn't speak much.

後に聞いたんですけど

I heard about it later.

そのバンドの人たちがたくさん売れてる時代とか

A time when that band was selling a lot.

その時に

At that time.

その時いたのにバンドではないから

I was there at that time, but it wasn't a band.

なかなか好きだって言いづらかったみたいで

It seems like it was quite hard to say that you liked me.

じゃあそこも時代とともにファンの方の反応も変わってきて

Well, the reactions from fans have also changed over time.

でも一緒に成長していってるというか

But it's like we're growing together.

一緒に時を重ねていってる感じもあるんですかね

It feels like we're building memories together, doesn't it?

ファンの方と一緒に

With the fans.

そういうのってどういう感覚なんですか

What kind of feeling is that?

いやもう明らかに嬉しいとしかないですね

Well, it's clearly nothing but happiness.

そんな嬉しい

That's so嬉しい.

こんないっぱいいるのって

Why are there so many of them?

本当蓋開けないと分かんないぐらい

You won't know until you actually open the lid.

もちろんその前にチケットは発売するけど

Of course, tickets will be on sale before that.

チケットそんな売れてんのみたいな

"Are tickets really selling that well?"

そんな感覚なんですか

Is that how it feels?

売れるでしょうっていう感じではなく

It's not really a feeling that it will sell.

例えば新曲がすごい売れて

For example, the new song is selling really well.

そうしたら当然観客って集まってくるじゃないですか

In that case, the audience will naturally gather, right?

別に新曲ってそんな出してないし

I haven't really released that many new songs anyway.

今回出した

This time, I submitted it.

出しましたけど

I put it out, but...

でもそれだけであんな人数は来ないから

But just that alone won't bring in that many people.

だから多分皆さんゲットワイルド聴きたくてとか

So maybe everyone wants to listen to Get Wild or something.

セルフコントロール聴きたくてとか

I want to listen to Self Control and so on.

他にも曲あるけど

There are other songs too, but...

そういう人たちがすごく多くて

There are so many people like that.

それをびっくりされるんですね

You are surprised by that, aren't you?

40年やられてても

Even after being done for 40 years.

ボーカルっていうのは

What I mean by "vocal" is...

年齢が大きく関わってくる

Age plays a significant role.

パートなので

Because it's a part-time job.

今の自分の年齢の歌が乗せられたらいいなとは思っていました

I had hoped that a song reflecting my current age would be made.

ここ最近の自分の喉の傾向って

Lately, my throat's condition seems to be...

割と初期の声に戻っている感じがあるんですよ

It feels like I'm going back to a relatively early voice.

角宮さんのインタビュー記事より一部抜粋してご紹介しました

I have excerpted and introduced a portion from Mr. Sumiyagi's interview article.

この初期の声に戻っている

I am returning to this early voice.

に近いです

It is close to.

近い

Close

それどういう

What does that mean?

ご自身的にどういう感覚というか

What is your personal feeling about it?

どういうのが初期の声に戻っているのか

What is going back to the early voice like?

声なんですか

What is that voice?

割と明るめの声

A relatively bright voice.

声の出し方っていうか

It's about how to use your voice.

そういうのがちょっと変わってきて

That's starting to change a little.

喉の感覚的な

Sensory of the throat

感覚もあるし

I have a sense of it.

なんかそういう傾向になった時に

When it became like that,

ちょうど売れちゃったんですけど

It just sold out.

ゲットウェルド

Get Welded

ずっと来て

Come here all the time.

ずいぶん経って

A long time has passed.

40周年とか

40th anniversary or something like that.

あとちょっと

Just a little more.

何年か前ぐらいから

Since a few years ago.

ソロで歌ってる声も

The voice singing solo.

なんかちょっと若返ってるなと思って

I thought you looked a bit younger.

なんでしょう

What is it?

なんでですか

Why is that?

なんかすごいトレーニング

It's some amazing training.

トレーニングしたことないです

I have never trained.

したことないんですか

Haven't you ever done that?

じゃあなんかルーティーンみたいなのはあるんですか

So do you have some kind of routine?

ルーティーンを見つけてから

Since finding my routine

楽になりました

I feel relieved.

それ見つけたのはどのぐらい前ですか

How long ago did you find it?

10年以上経つかな

I wonder if it's been over 10 years.

でも10年前ぐらい

But about 10 years ago.

うん

Yeah.

ここのとこ40周年でいろんなインタビューだったりとかで

Recently, there have been various interviews due to the 40th anniversary.

よく聞かれるんですけどこういうことは

I get asked this a lot, but...

そうなんですか

Is that so?

それで毎回言ってるんですけど

I keep saying this every time, but...

ツアーがメインになって

The tour has become the main focus.

やっぱりツアーって疲れるじゃないですか

Tours are really tiring, aren't they?

前は終わってから

It was before the end.

ダーって

It's a "dar".

朝方まで遊んでたりとか

Playing until morning or something like that.

お昼に起きてどっか食べに行ったりとか

Waking up around noon and going out to eat somewhere.

なんかそういうのをしてるとすごい窮屈だったんですよね

It felt really constricting to do things like that.

それ自体が

That itself

それは体が

That is the body.

体が多分

My body probably.

もちろん喉もそうだと思うんですけど

Of course, I think it's the same with the throat.

でルーティーンを考えて

Think of a routine.

だいたいお昼ぐらいに起きて

I usually wake up around noon.

ホテルの部屋にこもるようにして

To isolate oneself in a hotel room.

遊びに行かなくなったんですか

Have you stopped going out to play?

行かなくなった

I stopped going.

それで

So, then.

お風呂とかご飯とか買ってきてもらって

"Could you bring me things like a bath or food?"

そこでゆっくり2,3時間過ごすのかな

So I guess we’ll spend 2 or 3 hours there slowly.

でゆったりとして会場に入ってリハやって

Relaxed, I entered the venue and did the rehearsal.

で本番やって

"Then let's do the real thing."

で終わってからみんなとご飯食べに行くって

After it's over, we’re going to eat dinner together.

9時とかその9時前後分かんないですけど

I don't know if it's around 9 o'clock or before 9 o'clock.

で深夜ちょっと行ったぐらいで

"I only went a little late at night."

うん

Yeah.

で帰ろうかなって感じなんですけど

I feel like I might just go home.

それを今自宅の時にやってる

I am doing that at home right now.

っていうルーティン

That's the routine.

毎日の生活もそういう

Everyday life is like that too.

毎日そういう生活に近い感じにしたらすごく楽になって

If I make my life feel close to that every day, it becomes a lot easier.

じゃあやっぱ規則正しい生活と

Well, it seems that a regular lifestyle is important.

そうですね時間帯は規則正しいのかどうか分からないけど

Well, I don't know if the schedule is regular or not.

よく言われちゃうんですけど

It's often said.

そうなんですか

Is that so?

だいたい体を見て起きるわけでしょ皆さんは

Basically, you all wake up by looking at your bodies, right?

まあ私はもうだいぶ体位は上がってから起きますけど

Well, I'm already quite skilled at various positions, so I wake up later.

本当ですか

Is it true?

そういうルーティンになってからなんかすごく

Ever since it became that kind of routine, it feels really...

喉の調子もいいし

My throat feels good too.

お酒とかは

Like alcohol, etc.?

はい飲みます

Yes, I will drink (it).

あそうだですね

Oh, right.

でも私結構声出なくなっちゃったりもすること多いんですけど

But I often end up not being able to speak very well.

そういう時ありますか

Are there times like that?

もちろんその歌全力で歌ってるのでライブだと

Of course, I'm singing that song with all my might during the live performance.

そうですよね

That's right, isn't it?

それでやっぱり1日目はすごい疲れて

So, I was really tired on the first day.

もう来たみたいな感じになるんです

It feels like I've already arrived.

でも一応飲んで

But just drink it anyway.

そんな大きな声出さずに飲んで

Drink without using such a loud voice.

お酒を

alcohol

はい

Yes.

それで次の日さっき言ったようにゆっくりホテルで過ごして

So the next day, as I mentioned earlier, I took my time and spent it at the hotel.

徐々にお風呂入って声をちょっと出してみて

Gradually get into the bath and try to make a little noise.

いけるいけるって感じになって

It feels like we can do it!

で2日目とかやって

So it will be the second day or something like that.

だいたい大丈夫のようになりました

It seems to be mostly okay now.

じゃあやっぱなんかもうツアーでコンサートで鍛えられてきた

Well, I guess I've been strengthened through the concerts on the tour.

その強さっていうのは間違いなくありますよね

That strength definitely exists, no doubt about it.

そうですね

That's right.

で声枯れるのって多分

It’s probably because my voice is hoarse.

割と喉を使ってるから潰れるんですよね

It's relatively hard on my throat, so it ends up getting strained.

でもそうかもしれないです

But that might be the case.

こうお芝居とかで無理にガーって大声出そうとしちゃったりすると

If you try to forcefully shout out loudly during a performance...

チリってなります

It will become chili.

ですよね

That's right.

そうじゃないとやっぱちゃんと

If that's not the case, then you really need to...

ちょっと腹からってとこですよね

It’s just a bit from the stomach, isn’t it?

そうですね

That's right.

あとこのちなみに気になったのがホテルでゆっくり何か読んだりされるんですか

By the way, I'm curious if you spend time at the hotel reading something leisurely.

何してるんですか

What are you doing?

テレビ見てる

I'm watching TV.

本当にゆっくり

Really slowly.

ゆっくり

Slowly

バラエティとかも

Variety shows, too.

テレビ好きなので

I love watching TV.

そうなんですね

I see.

自分の部屋だとずっとテレビついてます

The TV is always on in my room.

ずっとここソファーなりゴローとしながら

I've been here on the sofa, lounging around.

えー

Ehh?

割とまあそのみんなとみんなだったり仲のいい人とかでちょっと飲み行くときは全然あるんですけど

Well, it’s quite common to go out for drinks with everyone or with close friends.

何もなかったら部屋でいろんな

If there was nothing, I'd be doing various things in the room.

まあもちろんバラエティとかも見るしドラマも見るし

Well, of course, I watch variety shows and dramas too.

で好きな海外ドラマがあったらそれ一気に見たりとか

If there’s a foreign TV show you like, you might binge-watch it all at once.

えー

Uh...

そうなんですね

I see.

海外ドラマで人気のあるのって十何話ぐらいいくじゃないですか

Popular overseas dramas often have about ten or more episodes, don't they?

ありますね

It exists, doesn't it?

十八とか

Eighteen or so.

三日間で見れちゃったりするよね

You can see it in just three days, right?

見れちゃうというか見ちゃう

It's more like I can see it, or I end up seeing it.

じゃないと止まんないんですよね

If not, it won't stop.

次もう

Next, please.

気になっちゃって

I can't help but be concerned.

終わりどころわかんないですよね

You don't know where to end, do you?

ダメじゃないですか規則正しくならなくなっちゃうじゃないですか生活

Isn't it bad? Your life will become irregular.

いやでも大丈夫ですよそこは

No, but it's okay there.

そこはちゃんと終われるんですか

Can you really finish it there?

終われます

I can finish it.

すごいおっちゃめなところも知れましたけど

I also learned about your amazingly playful side.

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

僕の基本はやっぱり今もいかにこのサウンドの中で発揮できるか

My foundation is still how I can express myself within this sound.

それのみを考えてきました

I have only thought about that.

声もリズムのうちの一つだと思っていて

I think that voice is one of the elements of rhythm.

歌詞の聞き取りやすさを目指してやってきたので

I've been aiming for the clarity of the lyrics.

あまり感情移入しすぎるとちょっと自分の声だったり

If you get too emotionally involved, it can affect your own voice a bit.

あとは性格と合わない気がして

I feel like our personalities don't match.

宇都宮さんのインタビュー記事より一部抜粋してご紹介しました

We have provided an excerpt from Mr. Utsunomiya's interview article.

この歌

This song

うん

Yeah.

音楽の中でのこの歌のボーカルのあり方という話ですが

It's about the way the vocals of this song exist within the music.

この声もリズムのうちの一つっていうのがやっぱり素人

"This voice being one of the rhythms is really just amateur."

ちょっとまだ難しいですけど

It's still a bit difficult, but...

難しいですよね

It's difficult, isn't it?

ちょっと教えていただいてもいいですか

Could you please tell me a little bit?

なんて言えばいいのかな

What should I say?

その一つの音楽

That one piece of music.

一曲で

In one song

Group of

Group of

Betwi many

Betwi many

For those girls

For those girls

So many

So many.

ходит

It seems that "ходит" is not Japanese; it is actually Russian, meaning "walks." If you have a specific Japanese text you'd like translated, please provide it!

it's because of that

それが理由です。

を考えて歌うので

Because I think and sing.

どうやったらうまくはまるかなとか

I wonder how I can fit in well.

じゃあ結構こう脳トレじゃないですけど

Well, it's not exactly brain training, but…

いろんな要素を考えて

Considering various elements.

でこの楽器の

So this instrument's

例えばじゃあこの楽器っていうのが

For example, this instrument...

例えばじゃあギターだとして

For example, let's say it's a guitar.

ベースでもいいんですけど

It's okay to use a base too.

この曲はこのギターに割と寄せるとか

This song is relatively close to this guitar.

そのリズムを

That rhythm.

なんかそういう何か的も必要だったりするから

Because sometimes you need something like that.

それはその楽曲によって

It depends on the piece of music.

どこに焦点を合わせるかも変わってくる

Where to focus will also change.

このベースに合わせていこうかなとか

I'm thinking of matching it to this base.

でもリズムは全部基本的にはみんな一緒に

But the rhythm is basically the same for everyone.

一緒なんですけど

It's the same, but...

この一拍の中に

Within this one beat

いるので

Because I am here.

パンパンパンの中に

In the midst of the sound of clapping.

じゃあゆっくりタッとして

Well then, take your time and let it sink in.

うんがありますよね

Yes, there is a yes.

そこのどこに入れたら一番

Where is the best place to put it?

気持ちよく聞こえる

It sounds pleasant.

入ってくる

To come in

聞く人にとってどうかなとか

I wonder how it will be for the person listening.

なんか脳科学の話聞いてるみたいな

It feels like I'm listening to a discussion about neuroscience.

多分一番でも多いのは8ビートと16ビートが一番多いんですけど

Probably the most common ones are 8-beat and 16-beat.

16で録ることは割と多めですね

It's quite common to record at 16.

TMに関しては特に

Especially regarding TM.

うん

Yeah.

キッスという曲が初めて

It's the first time with the song "Kiss."

レコーディングした時に

When I recorded it

ちょっとラップ調だったんで

It had a bit of a rap vibe.

ラップなんて聞いたことなかったので

I had never heard of rap before.

一応ディレクターの人と一緒に

Just in case, I'm with the director.

こんな感じこんな感じみたいなのを聞いて

I heard something like this, something like this.

ああこういう感じなんだって言って

"Oh, so this is what it feels like."

でそれを日本語でやるわけじゃないですか

So you're going to do it in Japanese, right?

だからすごく難しくて最初は

So it was really difficult at first.

まあ今は割と楽に歌えるんですけど

Well, I can sing fairly easily now.

これはどの楽器に楽器にということですか

Which instrument is this referring to?

どこに入っているのか

Where is it located?

どこに焦点当てて

Where should I focus?

これはその音キーボード系の音が

This is the sound of that keyboard-type sound.

そのもともと入っている音が今流れてるんだと思うんですけど

I think the original sound that was in there is playing now.

そこがちょっと後ろに入ってくるんですよ

It comes in a little from the back there.

さっき言ったこの

This thing I just mentioned.

うの一番このたっていうところに近いんですよすごい

It's amazing because it's very close to the number one place.

はいはい

Yes, yes.

ずれてはないんですけど

It's not that it's off, but...

もう本当後ろにいるので

They're really right behind you now.

分解していったら後ろにいるんですね

If you break it down, it's behind you, isn't it?

そう

Yes.

はい

Yes

,

,

はい

Yes

一回それを試す時間があるんですね

You have time to try that once, don't you?

そうですね

That's right.

はい

Yes.

すごい

Amazing.

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

インタビューにもありましたけど

It was mentioned in the interview, but...

感情移入しすぎると歌えないってところもあるんですかね

I wonder if there's a point where too much empathy makes it hard to sing.

歌うのが

Singing

感情移入とかいうのはもうどっかに行っちゃってるんですよ

Empathy has already gone somewhere else.

もうとりあえずこれをどうやって歌おうかなっていう

For now, I'm just wondering how I should sing this.

どうやってそのリズムを

How do you create that rhythm?

攻略するかというか

It's more about whether to tackle it or not.

とかそういうことで頭の中いっぱいなので

My mind is full of things like that.

うーん

Hmm.

あんまりその感情のとこになってっていうのはないですね

I don't really have that feeling about it.

これでも最初多分似たくあるわけじゃないですか

Even so, at first, it probably won't be similar, right?

その緻密にこうリズムでっていうところと感情を込めてっていう

"That intricate rhythm and the incorporation of emotion."

そこでその選択肢ってどういうふうに決まったんですか

So how was that option decided?

やっぱりそういう音楽をやってるかやってないかは

Whether one is making that kind of music or not is indeed...

僕らは一つの音楽として作ってきたから

Because we have created it as one music.

だからその声も一部だから

So that voice is also a part of it.

もう楽器の一部というか

It's more like part of the instrument.

楽器の一部

Part of a musical instrument.

うん

Yeah.

でもこれライブ中とかにリズム狂ったりしないんですか

But doesn't the rhythm go off during live performances?

もう分かんなくない

I don't understand it anymore.

もう何が何かみたいな

I don't even know what anything is anymore.

えっとほとんどないんですけど

Well, there’s almost nothing, though.

だいたいあの打ち込みって言って

Basically, they call that a hit.

もうコンピューターに入っている音を流すんですけど

I'm going to play the sound that is already on the computer.

そのドラム生のドラムを使うと

If you use that drum student's drum...

多少ずれる時あるんですよね

There are times when it gets a little off, you know.

うーんそうですよね

Hmm, that's right.

はいそれはしょうがないというか

Yes, it can't be helped, or rather...

まあそれもライブのライブ感っていうのは伝わるんですか

Well, does that convey the live feeling of the performance?

そうですよね

That's right.

その時はなるべくドラム寄りに歌います

I will sing as close to the drums as possible at that time.

へーそれはなんでですか

Oh, why is that?

外で聴いてくれる観客の人たちにとったら

For the audience listening outside

ドラムってすごく大きいのでその存在が

The drums are really big, so their presence is quite significant.

だからドラムに割と合わせていかないと

So, we have to relatively match with the drums.

ここの僕たちはヘッドホンみたいなこういうもので聴いてるので

We listen to it using things like headphones here.

で向こうの人たちはみんな観客はスピーカーから聴いてるわけじゃないですか

Well, everyone over there is listening to the speaker, right?

そうですね

That's right.

そうなるとやっぱり重要なのはドラムが入った場合は

In that case, what’s important is when the drums are included.

ドラムの人を優先的に歌わないとっていう

"I have to prioritize not singing for the drummer."

だから苦手なドラマも多分いると思いますよ

So I think there are probably some dramas that you're not good at either.

違うのでテンポ感がドラマによって

The sense of tempo differs depending on the drama.

割とクリックに近い人だとすごく歌いやすいし

If you're someone who's relatively close to a click, it's really easy to sing.

ああそうなんですね

Oh, I see.

自分のリズムみたいな人にはちょっと難しいしみたいな

It's a bit difficult for someone who has their own rhythm, I suppose.

はいじゃあそこはね

Well then, about that...

そこでの歌い方の違いとか

Differences in singing style there.

歌い方を変わる

Change the way you sing.

歌いやすさ

Singability

そうですね歌いやすさ

Well, it's about singability.

あと観客の方がどう聞こえてるかっていうのも変わってくる

Also, how the audience perceives it can change.

そうですね

That's right.

その音源で聞くのとその場所で聞くのと

Hearing it from that audio source and hearing it in that place.

えーすごい

Wow, amazing!

それは気づいたら習得できるもんなんですか

Is that something you can acquire just by realizing it?

じゃあ素人が宇都宮さんみたいに歌いたいと思ったとして

Well, if an amateur wants to sing like Utsunomiya-san...

どういうコツってあるんですか

What kind of tips are there?

コツはないです

There are no tips.

そうなんですけど割とそのなんて言ったらいいんだろう

Well, that's true, but how should I put it...?

よく小室が最近言ってるんですけど

Recently, Komuro has been saying a lot.

なんか音楽の運動神経がすごいっていう言い方してるんですけど

It's like saying that my sense of rhythm in music is incredible.

運動神経は割と良かったのでその普通の運動神経も

Since my motor skills were quite good, that normal motor skill as well...

そうなんですね

I see.

好きだったしそういうのと関係してるかどうか分かんないですけど

I liked it, and I'm not sure if it's related to that or not.

割となんかパーってやるとできちゃうみたいな

It seems like you can just do it pretty easily if you go for it.

そういうのが好きだったりとかそういうのが好きだったりとか

I like things like that or I like things like that.

そういうのが好きなので

I like that kind of thing.

絶対音感とはまた違う

It's different from perfect pitch.

違いますね

That's not correct.

絶対音感持ってても音痴の人いますもんね

There are people who have perfect pitch but are tone-deaf, right?

音痴っていうのは自分の出す声がちゃんと歌えない人っていうのは

Being tone-deaf means a person who can't sing properly with their own voice.

本当は自分で分かってるんですよね

You actually understand it yourself, don't you?

あー外してるって

Ah, you're off.

違うんだけどその音が出ない

It's different, but that sound won't come out.

出ないとか多分あると思うので

I think there might be times when it doesn't come out.

じゃあそこは宇都宮さんが持ってるリズム感とか

Well, that's where Utsunomiya-san's sense of rhythm comes in.

そこにどう喉を持っていくかみたいな運動神経

It's about the motor skills of how to position your throat there.

がいいっていうところは

"What's good about it is that..."

じゃあそう簡単に素人は歌えない

Well, it's not that easy for an amateur to sing.

難しいですよねきっとね

It must be difficult, right?

いやでもそれかっこいいなそれ

Yeah, but that's cool!

ライブはその

The live performance is that.

いかにレコーディングで皆さん聞いてもらってるじゃないですか

You've all been listening to the recordings, haven't you?

レコードで

On a record.

いかに再現できるかっていうところを一生懸命やってる感じです

It feels like we're putting in a lot of effort into how we can reproduce it.

じゃあその時その時の歌っていうよりかは

Well, rather than the songs of the moment…

いかに忠実に

How faithfully

そうですね

That's right.

それも結構難しいので

That's quite difficult as well.

難しくないですか

Isn't it difficult?

難しいです

It's difficult.

そしてもうミュージカルもやられてると

And I see you've also been doing musicals.

やりました

I did it.

その時のやっぱり歌い方の違いってどういう風に変えて

How did you change the way you sang at that time?

変えたというかミュージカルの時は本当大変で

It's not so much that I changed, but it was really tough during the musical.

実は音符が読めなくて

Actually, I can't read musical notes.

え

Eh?

音符読めなかったんですよ

I couldn't read the musical notes.

それ今は読めるの

Can you read that now?

今なんとなく

I don't know why, but right now...

えそうなんですか

Is that so?

それでミュージカルは音符じゃないですか

So the musical is not about musical notes?

初めて聞くし

It's the first time I'm hearing this.

でその音符がわかる人をよく聞いて

So listen carefully to the people who understand that note.

こんな感じだな

It feels like this.

耳コピで

By ear.

えそうなんですか

Oh, is that so?

当時主演が2人ダブルキャストだったので

At the time, there were two main actors in a double cast.

その相手の男性がそういう譜面読める子だったので

The man in question was someone who could read that kind of sheet music.

すごく楽でした

It was really easy.

その方が歌ってるの聞いて耳で覚えて

I listened to that person singing and memorized it by ear.

先にやってって練習を

Go ahead and practice first.

だいたいピアノで最初練習するんですよね

Usually, I practice on the piano first.

その時に先にやってって言って

At that time, I told you to go ahead and do it.

それ聞いててこういう感じでそうだねみたいな

I hear that and think, "Yeah, something like that."

でもそれ家帰ってもうそれメロディー忘れちゃったらもう

But if you go home and forget that melody, then...

メロディーは大丈夫です

The melody is fine.

すごい

Amazing.

ソロの時もじゃあ楽譜ではやってないんですか

So, you’re not using sheet music when you play solo either?

やってないです

I haven't done it.

どう

How?

デモテープで来るので

It will come on a demo tape.

小室の声で

In Komuro's voice.

それでも絶対早めに楽譜を読めるようになった方が早くないですか

Still, wouldn't it be faster to be able to read sheet music earlier?

そう思うでしょ

I think so too.

違うんですよ

It's different.

僕人の声でがメロディーを言ってもらうと

When the servant’s voice conveys the melody,

それを自分の声に変換できるので

Because it can be converted into my own voice.

だからピアノとかギターでもいいんですけど

So it's fine if it's a piano or guitar.

それでメロディーを聞いてもピンとこない

That's why I don't feel a connection when I listen to the melody.

って

"That" or "You know" (context-dependent)

というか

By the way

下手でもいいんです

It's okay if I'm not good at it.

ただ人間の声の方が自分の声変換しやすいので

It's just that it's easier for me to transform my voice into a human voice.

それはもうじゃあ昔からそのやり方で

Well, then, it's been that way since a long time ago.

昔からそうですね

It's been like that since long ago.

喉の使い方とか出し方みたいな違いはありましたか

Was there a difference in how you used or produced your voice?

ソロとミュージカルと

Solo and musical.

そうありました

That's how it was.

すごい普通の音楽やってる時の出し方じゃ届かないっていうか

It's just that the way I'm putting it out when I'm doing really ordinary music doesn't reach people.

前に

Before

ミュージカルまたはミュージカルとか

Musical or something like a musical.

またマイクの場所とかだったり

Also, it might be the location of the microphone or something like that.

そうですねマイクもそうだし

That's right, Mike is the same.

だから割となるべく大きめに歌うことをしないと届かないというか

So, if I don't sing relatively loudly, it won't reach, you know?

割とその時は無理しちゃってやっぱり枯れました

I pushed myself pretty hard at that time and of course, I ended up running out of energy.

枯れた時ありますやっぱり

I definitely experienced moments of being drained.

そうなんですね

I see.

喉の使い方がやっぱりちょっと違うので

The way I use my throat is still a bit different, after all.

それを経験したことによってまた

By experiencing that again.

このティームネットワークでの活動の時に歌いやすくなったとか

It became easier to sing during the activities in this team network.

そういうこともあったんですか

Was that something that happened as well?

それはないですけど

That's not the case, though.

とりあえず一回レントっていうミュージカルやった時に

For now, when I did a musical called "Rent" once,

もうこんな大変なのやりたくないと思って

I don’t want to do something so difficult anymore.

もう絶対やらないんだという決意のもとに

With the determination that I will never do it again.

それだけやっぱり同じ歌うということに関しても全然違うんですね

That alone really shows that singing the same song is completely different.

そうですね

That's right.

あれはやっぱりプロのミュージカルの人たちが

Those are definitely professional musical performers.

自分たちには敵わないので

Because we cannot compete with them.

そういう人が頑張ってほしいという感じで

I hope that kind of person will do their best.

ただなんでそれやってみようということになったのは

I just wonder why we decided to try that.

割とレントっていうのが音楽寄りの楽曲が多かったので

Relatively, there were many songs in the "Rent" that leaned towards music.

ミュージカルなんだけど割と音楽に近かったので

It's a musical, but it was relatively close to music.

音楽性の高いミュージカル

A musical with high musicality.

という感じなので

It's that kind of feeling, so...

一応大きい声は歌っているけど

I'm singing out loud, just in case.

でも自分の雰囲気みたいなものも出せたから

But I was able to express my own atmosphere as well.

そういう意味でもじゃあやってみようっていう

In that sense, let's give it a try then.

やってみようと思って

I think I'll give it a try.

もう一回じゃあレント

One more time, then rent.

やらないです

I won't do it.

大変なの知ってるので

I know it's tough.

確かにもう一回経験されたからこそ

Indeed, it's precisely because you've experienced it once more.

なんでこんなに動かなきゃいけないのかなと

I wonder why I have to move so much.

片付けもやらなきゃいけなかったりするの

I also have to do some cleaning.

アンテナの中で

Inside the antenna

アンテナの中でここに椅子を持ってくるとか

Bringing a chair here inside the antenna or something.

全部が細かすぎて

Everything is too detailed.

もう頭の中がもうパンパンになっちゃって

My head is just about to burst.

そんな大変な

That's so tough.

でもそういう経験もあってっていうところですもんね

But that's where those kinds of experiences come into play, isn't it?

でもそのご病気も経験されたということで

"But I hear you have also experienced that illness."

そういうところでこの歌への向き合い方っていうところは変化ありましたか

Has your approach to this song changed in that regard?

死ぬかもしれないと思ったので最初は

At first, I thought I might die.

結局大丈夫だったんですけど

In the end, it was okay.

なんか前はそんなに考えないで

I didn't think about it that much before.

人と

With people

付き合ったりとか

Dating or something like that.

いた自分なんですけど

It's about my past self.

なんかよりその

"Somehow, more than that"

生きてる感が

The feeling of being alive.

強くなったっていうか

It's more like I've become stronger.

せっかく生きてるじゃん今っていうのは

It's a precious thing that we're alive right now.

すごく出てきちゃってる感じですね

It feels like it's really coming out.

そこに対してこの

Regarding that, this...

このティームネットワークっていうところへの

To this place called Team Network.

思いみたいなところも強くなった

I have become stronger in places that feel like thoughts.

強くなりました

I have become stronger.

もっとちゃんと生きなきゃっていう感じかな

I feel like I need to live more properly.

そうなんですね

I see.

最後に

Finally

最近の音楽とかどういう風に感じてらっしゃいますか

How do you feel about recent music?

聴いてないんですよ

I’m not listening.

唯一移動してる時の車の中で

Only when I'm moving, inside the car.

今こんな歌流行ってんだなぐらいしか分かんないです

I only know that this kind of song is trending now.

じゃあ今気になるアーティストさん

So, the artist I'm currently interested in is...

いないです

Not present.

せいぜいアドさんぐらいは分かる

I can at most understand someone like Ad.

やあそびさんとか

Hey, it's about time, right?

それも分かります

I understand that too.

洋楽は聴いたりはされるんですかね

Do you listen to Western music?

洋楽もラジオで流れてくるぐらいですね

Western music is coming through on the radio, isn't it?

じゃあそれはやっぱり

Well then, that's definitely...

ご自身の音楽を貫き続ける上では

In continuing to pursue your own music.

なんかそれは良かったのかもしれないですかね

I guess that might have been a good thing.

そうですね

That's right.

なんかそのソロをやるようになって

Since I've started doing that solo...

TMの場合小室が全部

In the case of TM, Komuro does everything.

大体のことを考えつつやってもらうんで

I'll have you do it while considering the general idea.

ソロは自分一人じゃないですか

Solo means being alone, doesn't it?

だから自分一人で

So I can do it by myself.

全て考えなきゃいけないので

I have to consider everything.

それで

So, then.

そういえば

By the way.

ここの

Here.

写真撮ったなこれ

I took a picture of this, didn't I?

それを携帯で撮った写真を

A photo of it taken with a mobile phone.

掘り起こして

Dig it up.

これいいなと思って

I think this is nice.

それが衣装だったりとか

That was the costume or something.

細かく言えば

To be more precise

そういうものに変わっていく

It will change into something like that.

変化になっていく

It will change.

変化されていく感じなので

It feels like things are changing.

だからいろんなものを見てるし

So I'm looking at various things.

なるほど

I see.

今の音楽からというよりはいろんな要素から

Rather than from the current music, from various elements.

音楽につなげて

Connect it to music.

そうですね

That's right.

だから軸としてはブレずに

So, as a foundation, let's not waver.

続いてるっていうところは

The part where it continues.

そこにもあるのかもしれないですね

It might be there as well.

何に宇都宮さんいつもこう

What is it that Mr. Utsunomiya always does like this?

エネルギーというかパワーをもらってるような

It's like I'm receiving energy or power.

あ

Ah

えっと

Um...

スポーツ

Sports

一番かな

I wonder if it's the best.

だから

So.

オリンピックとかは

Things like the Olympics.

なるべく全種類は見たいです

I want to see all the different types as much as possible.

じゃあこんなスポーツっていうよりか

Well, rather than calling it a sport...

何でも

Anything

だから世界大会もあるじゃないですか

That's why there's also the world tournament, right?

いろんな競技で

In various competitions.

ワールドカップみたいな

Like the World Cup.

そういうやつも好きだし

I like that kind of person too.

すごく元気をもらえる

It gives me a lot of energy.

そういうスポーツマンの人たちって

People like those sportsmen

いやー

No way!

わかります

I understand.

大好きです

I love you.

そうだね

That's right.

そうですね

That's right.

意外

Unexpected

バレーボールで燃えましたみたいなぐらい

Like I was fired up playing volleyball.

じゃあ結構パリオリンピックも

Well, the Paris Olympics too...

割と頑張ってみ

Try your best.

ちょっと忙しかったのでいろいろと

I've been a bit busy with various things.

はい

Yes

いつもだったらもっとどっぷり見てるんですけど

Usually, I'd be more deeply immersed in it.

はい

Yes

で

And

この競技こういうルールなんだとか

This is the rule of the competition.

あまり見てないもの

Things I don't look at much.

うん

Yeah.

そういうのも楽しいし

That's fun too.

ルール

Rules

日本の方が出てなくても

Even if a Japanese person is not present.

はい

Yes

あ

Ah

こういうルールなんだとか

It's like this is the rule.

そういうルールなんだっていう

I heard it's just that kind of rule.

それが楽しくて

It's fun.

余計楽しめるルールを知るとさらに

Knowing the rules that enhance the experience makes it even more enjoyable.

そうですね

That's right.

ルール分かんないと

If you don't understand the rules...

ラグビーとかも最終よく分かんなくて

I don't really understand rugby and such in the end.

なんでこれ前に落としちゃったらダメなのとか

Why is it bad if I drop this earlier?

下に出たりするんですけど

It sometimes comes down.

え何これ

Eh, what is this?

目まぐるしいですもんね

It's overwhelming, isn't it?

そうなんですよ

That's right.

でだんだんこう見ていったら

As I continued to look at it,

あ面白い競技だなんだなーって

Oh, it's an interesting competition, isn't it?

スポーツなんですね

It's sports, isn't it?

スポーツ

Sports

スポーツが一番かな

I think sports are the best.

他にももちろん

Of course, there are others.

例えば舞台を見に行ったりとか

For example, going to see a play.

ミュージカル見に行ったりとか

I went to see a musical and stuff like that.

そういうのもすごく力もらえるけど

Things like that really give me a lot of strength, too.

スポーツは一番ですね

Sports are the best.

でもこのご自身が歌うことによって

But by singing this yourself

そのもちろんお仕事としてっていうところもあると思うんですけど

I think there is also the aspect of it being a job, of course.

ご自身が歌うってことで

It's about singing yourself.

なんかエネルギーなってるというか

It's like it's becoming energy or something.

なんか発散できてるとか

It feels like I'm releasing something.

なんかどういう感覚ですか

What kind of feeling is it?

発散はしてないですね

I'm not expressing it.

そうなんですか

Is that so?

うん

Yeah.

発散というよりは

Rather than dissipation

うわ疲れるなーとか

Wow, I'm so exhausted.

これ曲目陣とか出てきて

This is where the setlist comes out.

で十何曲って決まるじゃないですか

So it's decided to be around ten songs, right?

絶対ここ無理っていう

"I definitely can't do this here."

いや後半にここは

Well, in the second half, this is...

2曲はこれ無理だよとか

"I can't do this with just two songs."

そのぐらい分かっちゃうので

I can understand that much.

はい

Yes.

いやこれちょっと

No, this is a bit...

話そうよとか

Let's talk.

リアル

Real

そういうことを考えながら

While thinking about such things

やっぱ私はこう

I knew it, I'm like this.

見てる側お客さん側でしか

Only from the perspective of the audience/viewers.

見たことがないんですけど

I've never seen it before.

やっぱ気持ちよさそうだな

It really looks enjoyable.

そのステージの真ん中で歌うのって

Singing in the middle of that stage...

思うんですけど

I think that...

気持ちいいんですか

Does it feel good?

あの疲れてない時が気持ちいいです

I feel good when I'm not tired.

今後

From now on

このTMネットワークとしても

As TM Network as well

ソロとしても

As a solo artist as well.

どういう風に将来描いていますか

How do you envision the future?

それすごくあの

That's really, um...

40、50ぐらいの時に聞かれたら

If asked around the age of 40 or 50

なんか言えるような気がするんですけど

I feel like I can say something, but...

もうすぐ67なので

I'm turning 67 soon.

やっぱ年齢がすごく関係してくると思ってるので

I believe age has a significant influence.

もう目先のことしかほとんど考えてないですね

I'm only thinking about what's right in front of me.

目先っていうのはもう1年後

What’s right in front of us is already a year later.

1年後

One year later.

いや1年も長いなっていうぐらい

Wow, a year really feels long.

半年ぐらいじゃないと

It's not until about six months.

それをじゃあずっと更新し続けてる

So I will keep updating it continuously.

半年後の

In six months.

うん

Yeah.

じゃあまだ来年の春のことは

Well, as for next spring,

全然わかんないです

I don't understand at all.

そうなんですね

I see.

ちなみにその宇都宮さんにとって

By the way, for Mr. Utsunomiya...

TMネットワークっていう存在って

What does the existence of TM Network mean?

どういう存在なんですか

What kind of existence is it?

なんかあの

Well, um...

最初の方で言ったと思うんですけど

I think I mentioned it at the beginning.

割と

relatively

中の

Inside

仲間って感じなので

It feels like we're comrades.

ただ仲いいからまたやればいいじゃん

Since we're just good friends, we can do it again.

っていう感覚に近いですね

It's a feeling that's close to that.

なんかでも家族とか

"Well, something like family..."

家族だと気持ち悪いですよね

It's strange when it comes to family, isn't it?

そうなんですか

Is that so?

でもなんかその絶対的安心感みたいなところもある

But there is also a feeling of absolute安心感 that comes with it.

そうですね

That's right.

友達以上

More than friends.

友達以上ぐらいですね

It's more than just friends.

じゃあそこの縁はもう一生続く

Then that bond will last a lifetime.

誰かが死なない限り続くと思います

I think it will continue as long as no one dies.

じゃあ50周年も

Well then, here's to the 50th anniversary as well.

よく聞かれるんです

I get asked that a lot.

やっぱり40周年とかで

After all, it's for the 40th anniversary or something.

そうですよね

That's right.

何周年がって言われるんですけど

They ask how many years it's been.

毎回言ってるのは

I say it every time.

いやもう僕たちそういう何周年とかいう

Well, we really don't care about anniversaries like that.

年齢になっちゃうと

When you reach that age...

もうすごくプレッシャーかかるので

I'm under a lot of pressure right now.

だからやれるときにやるっていう

So you do it when you can.

言い方をしてます

I'm expressing it that way.

うん

Yeah.

やれるとき集まれるときに

Gather when we can, when we are able to.

楽しくやろうよって感じなので

It feels like let's have fun with it.

何十周年とかそういう何周年とかよりはって感じですね

It feels more like it's about something other than just decades or anniversaries.

確かにその心持ちだからこそ

It is precisely because of that mindset.

40周年続けられたっていうところも

It's remarkable that it has continued for 40 years.

あるのかもしれないですね

It might exist.

貴重なお話をたくさんありがとうございました

Thank you very much for the valuable conversation.

今回は宇都宮隆さんをお迎えしてお話ししてきました

This time, we welcomed Takashi Utsunomiya and had a conversation.

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Thank you again, Utsunomiya-san.

ありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

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