第129回『初めましての人との話題の切り出し方』

スポーツメンタルコーチ川部恵梨子の

Sports mental coach Eriko Kawabe's

100発100中目標達成の秘密

The secret to achieving your target with 100 shots, 100 hits.

この番組はオリンピック選手のメンタルコーチ川部恵梨子が

This program features mental coach Eriko Kawabe, who works with Olympic athletes.

スポーツだけではなく

Not just sports

ビジネスにも教育にも共通する

Common to both business and education.

メンタルの整え方について

How to stabilize your mental state.

あなたからの質問にお答えしながらお届けする番組です

This is a program that delivers answers to your questions.

ジュニア選手、トップアスリート、営業マン

Junior athletes, top athletes, salespeople.

企業経営者の目標達成までをサポートする

Support the achievement of corporate executives' goals.

春明日株式会社の提供でお送りします

This program is brought to you by Haru Akira Co., Ltd.

どうも皆さんこんにちは

Hello everyone.

川部恵梨子の100発100中目標達成の秘密

The secret to Eriko Kawabe's perfect success rate of 100 out of 100.

第129回スタートです

This is the start of the 129th session.

ナビゲーターのトーマス・J・トーマスです

This is navigator Thomas J. Thomas.

よろしくお願いいたします

Thank you in advance.

そして

And then

スポーツメンタルコーチの川部恵梨子です

I am Eriko Kawabe, a sports mental coach.

よろしくお願いします

Thank you in advance.

実はですね、エリリン

Actually, you see, Eri Rin...

報告がありまして

I have a report to make.

なんと

What a surprise!

なんとトーマス

What a Thomas!

父になりました

I have become a father.

父、イエーイ

Dad, yay!

パパ、トーマスパパ

Daddy, Thomas Daddy.

パパになりました

I became a dad.

おー

Oh!

生まれましたよ、ついに子供が

We finally had a child.

すごい

Amazing

男の子?女の子?

Boy? Girl?

男の子

Boy

トーマス・ジュニア

Thomas Junior

生まれました

I was born.

おめでとうございます

Congratulations!

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

すごい

Amazing!

結婚10年が経つんですけど

It has been 10 years since we got married.

10年にして初子供

First child in ten years.

すごい

Amazing

それは世の中の希望になりますね

That will be a hope for the world.

そうですね

That's right.

いやいやいや、本当に

No, no, no, really.

いやー、でもあんなに可愛いものだとは思いませんでした

Wow, I didn’t think it would be that cute!

可愛い?

Cute?

はい

Yes

おー

Oh!

生まれてきた時はなんかお猿さんみたいで

When I was born, I looked kind of like a little monkey.

あれ大丈夫かなって心配の方が多かったんですけど

I was worried if that was going to be okay, but many people felt the same way.

日を経つごとに

As days go by

なんか顔がはっきりしてきて

Somehow, your face is becoming clearer.

人間になってきて

Become human.

可愛いなーって思ってますね

I'm thinking that it's cute.

撮ってますか写真

Are you taking pictures?

写真ね、トーマスカメラマンじゃないですか本業

The photo, it's not Thomas the photographer's main job, is it?

だけどあんまりプライベートで写真撮らないから

But I don’t really take photos in my private life.

子供生まれても多分僕撮らないと思いますよって周りにしてたんですよ

Even if I have a child, I probably won't take any pictures, I was telling those around me.

結構撮りますね

You take quite a few photos, don't you?

撮っちゃうよね

I'm going to take a picture, right?

結構撮ります

I take a lot of photos.

カメラ持って行きますね

I'll take my camera with me.

そうなんだね、これが

I see, this is it.

意外と

Surprisingly

カメラにスマホにね、生理追いつかないですから

With the camera and the smartphone, I can't keep up with my period.

いや、すでになってますね

No, it's already happening.

でもね、ほんと新生児は1ヶ月、2ヶ月ぐらいなので

But you see, newborns are only about 1 or 2 months old.

もうこの期間、その後赤ちゃんの時代は長いんですけど

This period is already long, and then after that, the baby stage is long as well.

新生児はほんとに

Newborns are really...

え、変わるんすか?この新生児から赤ちゃん

Huh, is it going to change? From a newborn to a baby?

変わる、変わる、全然違う

It changes, it changes, completely different.

違う、全然違うの?

No, it's completely different.

何が違うってもう忘れたけど

I don't remember what the difference is anymore.

忘れたんかい

Did you forget?

忘れたけど違う

I forgot, but that's not it.

全然違う、新生児

Completely different, newborn.

もうちょっとだからぽよぽよしてくるんすか?

Are you going to get a little more poyo poyo?

まあ、そのうちね

Well, eventually.

肉が付いてきてね

"You've started to gain some meat."

まあ、お子さんのその発育によって違うと思いますけど

Well, I think it depends on the child's development.

ほんとにね、新生児と赤ちゃんとまた違うので

You know, newborns and babies are really different.

どんどん変わるから

Because it keeps changing rapidly.

あ、そうなんすか

Oh, is that so?

そう

Yes.

楽しみだなあ

I'm looking forward to it!

なんか、うちの娘、下の子は

"Somehow, my younger daughter..."

すくすくっていうNHKの子育て番組出たことあるんですけど

I've appeared on an NHK parenting program called "Sukusuku."

なんか応募したら当たっちゃって

I somehow applied and ended up winning.

出たんですけど

I came out, but...

なんかそれ実験するんですよ、子供の

I'm going to experiment with that, for kids.

その先生がいて

That teacher is there.

はいはい

Yes, yes.

その先生がいて

That teacher is here.

なんか手、ちっちゃい子が物をどうやって掴むかっていうのを年齢別に

Somehow, it's about how small children grasp objects by age.

へー

Oh, really?

テストっていうか実験するみたいな

It's more like an experiment than a test.

やったんですけど、その赤ちゃんの時

I did it, but when I was a baby.

はい

Yes

と、うちの子はたぶん3歳とか2歳ぐらい出てるんですけど

Well, my child is probably about 3 or 2 years old.

物の掴み方とかも違うから

Because the way of grasping things is different.

へー

Oh really?

その赤ちゃんって、すぐ手をキュって掴むでしょ

That baby quickly grabs onto things, right?

あ、握る握る

Ah, I'll hold it.

そうそう、あれの握り方とかもね違う

That's right, the way to hold it is different too.

いろんな反応があったりするんで

There are various reactions.

面白

Interesting.

そう

That's right.

気になる

I'm curious.

あと、もう、あーもういっぱいこんなの1時間ぐらい全然喋るけど

Also, well, oh, I could talk about this for like an hour without stopping.

番組の趣旨が変わっちゃいますからね

The purpose of the program will change.

もうおばあちゃんだんで

I'm already a grandma now.

ウケる

That's hilarious!

おばあちゃん

Grandma

えりりんママですよーって

It's Eri-chan's mom!

えりりんママ、ありがとうございます

Thank you, Eririn Mama.

ちょっと

Just a moment.

あ、えりんバーバですよーって

Ah, it's Erin Grandma!

ママじゃない、バーバで

Not Mama, Grandma.

あのー

Um...

番組のね、打ち合わせ、これ収録終わったらいろいろ聞いちゃおうかなと思ってますけど

After the recording of the show, I'm thinking of asking various questions during the meeting.

バーバー、ダンキュー、はい

Barber, thank you, yes.

ちょっとあのリスナーの皆さんもぜひおめでとうのメッセージをですね

I hope those listeners will also send their congratulations messages.

えりりんのLINEの方に送っていただけたら嬉しいなと思っております

I would be happy if you could send it to Eririn's LINE.

ちゃんとトーマスも見ますのでよろしくお願いします

I will properly watch Thomas, so thank you in advance.

というわけで、ではですね、今日も相談が届いておりますので相談にご回答いただきたいと思います

That being said, we have received a consultation today, so I would like to ask for your response to the inquiry.

今日こちらです

It is here today.

はじめましての人と話すことが苦手です

I'm not good at talking to people I've just met.

何を喋ればいいんだっけと真っ白になってしまいます

I blanked out and can't remember what I'm supposed to say.

なんて話しかければいいと思うけれど話題が出てきません

I wonder what I should say to start a conversation, but I can't think of any topics.

どう話題を切り出していいのかアドバイスをお願いします

Please give me advice on how to start a conversation.

ということで

So, that's it.

はい、これね私もそんな得意ではないんですけど

Yes, I'm not really that good at this either.

このはじめましての人とどういうシチュエーションで話すかによると思うんですよね

I think it depends on the situation in which I talk to this person for the first time.

本当に話すのがもう例えば1対1でも苦手とか大勢の中で話すのが苦手とか

I'm really not good at talking, whether it's in a one-on-one situation or speaking in front of a large group.

大勢の中は苦手だけど1対1なら何とか話せるとか

"I'm not good in a crowd, but I can manage to talk one-on-one."

もちろん上司部下とか

Of course, bosses and subordinates, etc.

はい

Yes

取引先とかその関係性によってもお友達なら喋れるけど仕事と思うと喋れないとか

Depending on the business partner or the nature of the relationship, I can talk if we're friends, but when it comes to work, I can't speak.

逆に仕事だと思うと営業だと思うと話せるけど

Conversely, if I think of it as work or as sales, I can talk about it.

逆にありそうありそう

On the contrary, it seems possible.

プライベートだと話せないとか

I can't talk about it in private or something.

これ多分人によってですね、はじめましての人と話すののシチュエーションがまず違うので

I think it really depends on the person, as the situation for talking to someone for the first time is different.

まず自分はこのすべての人と苦手なのか本当に?というところを

First, I need to consider whether I really struggle with all these people.

うん

Yeah.

ちょっと自分に問いかけてもらいたいんですよね

I would like you to ask yourself a little.

例えば初めましてだけど

For example, it's our first meeting, but...

それこそ今の赤ちゃんが生まれたパパママ同士みたいになって

It's just like how the parents of the baby that was just born are now.

多分話が続く人結構いると思うんですよね

I think there are quite a few people who can continue the conversation.

確かにね

That's true.

例えば同じ病院で同じ日に生まれましたみたいな

For example, it’s like being born on the same day in the same hospital.

私今でも年賀状やり取りしてるんですけど

I still exchange New Year's cards even now.

そうなんですよ

That's right.

同じ病棟で同じ日に生まれたっていうだけなんですけど

It's just that we were born on the same day in the same ward.

それだけで連帯感があるから

Because that alone creates a sense of solidarity.

年も10歳以上下のご夫婦なんですけど

They are a couple more than 10 years younger.

お家まで遊びに行ったりして

I went over to play at their house.

仲良くなっちゃったんですよね

We've become pretty close, haven't we?

それで私が別に初めましての人と話すのが得意だからとかいうよりは

So it's not that I'm particularly good at talking to people I've just met.

共通語があるから

Because there is a common language.

強烈な共通語があるほど話しやすいわけですよね

The more intense the common language, the easier it is to communicate, right?

そういう意味で言うと初めましてだけど

In that sense, it's nice to meet you for the first time.

趣味が一緒とか

Having similar hobbies, for example.

もしくは仕事が一緒とか

Or perhaps we work together.

住んでるところが一緒

We live in the same place.

好きなスポーツというかチームが一緒とか

It's not so much about a favorite sport, but about having the same team.

そういう何か共通語があると話しやすいわけなんですよね

Having some sort of common language makes it easier to talk, doesn't it?

なので何喋ればいいんだっけっていうのは

So, what was I supposed to talk about again?

自分が喋らなきゃと思ってるからなんですけど

It's because I feel like I have to talk.

相手に何か共通語ないかなと思って

I was wondering if there was something we had in common.

相手にいろいろ質問して

Ask the other person various questions.

聞いてみると

When I asked,

同じ趣味とか思考が見えるかもしれないですよね

You might be able to see similar hobbies or thoughts, right?

確かに確かに

Certainly, certainly.

天気の話したところで

There's no point in talking about the weather.

今日雨ですね

It's raining today, isn't it?

雨ですね

It's raining, isn't it?

嫌ですね

I don't like it.

嫌ですねで終わっちゃうわけですね

It ends with just "I don't like it," huh?

広がらない

Not spreading.

天気は確かに広がらない

The weather certainly doesn't spread out.

一瞬じゃみたいなマンションの人でね

It's like one of those moments in a mansion.

ご挨拶程度の会話ならいいですけども

A conversation for just greetings is fine, but...

この後なんか喋らなきゃいけないみたいな

It feels like I have to say something after this.

やったら難しいじゃないですか

Isn't it difficult if you just do it?

そしたらその関係性にもよりますけども

Well, it depends on the nature of that relationship.

例えばお仕事とかだったら

For example, if it's about work...

お仕事はどんなことされてるんですかみたいな

What kind of work do you do?

で向こうに喋ってもらう

I'll have them talk over there.

なんか自分こういうことやっててああいうことやってて

I feel like I'm doing this kind of thing and that kind of thing.

カメラマンでこうでああで喋ってると

When I'm talking about being a photographer like this and that...

向こうが引く可能性もあるんですよね

There is also a possibility that they might back off.

そうですよね

That's right.

聞き上手な方もいらっしゃるし

There are also people who are good at listening.

相手も会話が上手とは限らないので

The other person may not necessarily be good at conversation.

確かに

Certainly.

なので普段どういうお仕事されてるんですかとか

So, what kind of work do you usually do?

今日はどこからお越しですかとか

Where are you coming from today?

なんかこう質問してみると

When I try asking like this...

相手が話したい話題が出てくる可能性があるということですね

It means that there is a possibility that a topic the other person wants to talk about will come up.

こっちが話したい話題を話すというよりは

Rather than talking about the topics I want to discuss,

向こうが話せる話題は何だろうか

I wonder what topics they can talk about.

なるほど

I see.

というのを探りに行く感じです

It feels like I'm going to explore that.

その時に大事になるのが

What becomes important at that time is

フィクションですね

It's fiction.

なるほど

I see.

例えばお仕事何ですかって聞いてトーマスが

For example, when asked what his job is, Thomas said...

写真撮ったりポッドキャストで喋ったりしてます

I'm taking photos and talking on a podcast.

そうなんですね

I see.

はいそうなんです

Yes, that's right.

終わりみたいな

It feels like the end.

やだやだやだやだやだ

No, no, no, no, no!

なんちゃうんじゃないですか

Isn't it something like that?

嫌な間ができた今

Now that an uncomfortable gap has formed.

そうそうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right!

というのとじゃあもう一回いきますね

In that case, I'll go again.

トーマスさんお仕事何されてるんですか

What kind of work does Thomas do?

写真撮ったりポッドキャストで喋ったりしております

I am taking pictures and talking on a podcast.

写真とかポッドキャストで喋ったりしております

I talk on photos and podcasts.

ポッドキャストって何ですか

What is a podcast?

ポッドキャストっていうのは音声のネットラジオみたいなもんなんですけど

A podcast is like an audio internet radio.

ネットラジオ

Internet radio

ネット上でラジオ番組をね

A radio program on the internet.

ラジオって言うんですか

Is it called a radio?

ラジオといえばラジオ

Speaking of the radio, it's the radio.

すごいですね

That's amazing!

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

そんなことできる

I can do such a thing.

しかも写真も撮ってるんですか

Are you also taking pictures?

写真も実は撮るんです

I actually take pictures too.

どういう写真撮るんですか

What kind of photos do you take?

人物を撮るのがどちらかといえば得意なんですけども

I'm more skilled at taking pictures of people.

どういう人撮るんですか

What kind of person do you take photos of?

企業家さんだったりとか

Such as entrepreneurs.

モデルさんなんかも撮るんですけど

I also take pictures of models.

モデル

Model

すごい

Amazing

そうですね

That's right.

写真撮るんですか

Are you taking a picture?

写真見えたりして

Can you see the photo?

写真ちょっと探してみましょうか

Shall we try looking for some photos?

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

どうですか私

How about me?

えすごい

Wow, that's amazing!

何ですかしか言ってないんですけど

I just said, "What is it?"

確かに

Certainly.

なんか気持ちよく喋れるというか

It's like I can talk comfortably.

どんどん自慢したくなりますね

You just want to brag more and more, don't you?

そうですね

That's right.

最初のとどうですか

How does the first one look?

そうなんですね

I see.

なんで聞いたんだろう

I wonder why I asked.

となりますよね

That makes sense, doesn't it?

なのでここの初めましての場で別にコーチングじゃないので

So it's not coaching in this first meeting here.

なんかふざけたりとか

It's like joking around or something.

深掘りするみたいな

Like digging deeper.

一体何を目的にとか

What on earth is the purpose?

どういうことを大事にとか

What kind of things are important?

急にこれがちょっと怖いですね

This is a bit scary all of a sudden.

怖いじゃないですか

Isn't it scary?

そんなことまで聞く必要は

There's no need to ask such things.

それは信頼関係ができていく中で聞いたらいいと思うんですけど

I think it's good to ask that as the trust develops.

初めましてでまずは

Nice to meet you, first of all.

それぞれのお話を聞くみたいな段階で言うと

If we talk about it at the stage of listening to each story...

仕事とかお住まいとかって

About work and where you live?

割と当たり障りのないテーマ

A relatively innocuous theme.

だからこそ質問して

That's why I'm asking.

その時にリアクションが大事なんですよね

The reaction at that time is important, isn't it?

なるほど

I see.

なんでそういうのが大事なのか

Why is that kind of thing important?

どうですかそれみたいな

How about something like that?

リアクションは考えてなかった

I didn't think about the reaction.

っていうその深掘りするより

Rather than digging deeper into that

へーほーみたいな

Like "hee ho."

興味

Interest

興味あります

I am interested.

みたいな感じで演技でもいいから

Something like that, even if it’s just acting.

でもそうやってこの人一体どういうことしてるのかな

But I wonder what this person is doing exactly.

っていう興味関心を持って話を聞く

Listen to the story with that kind of interest and curiosity.

もしくはそういう振りをする

Or act that way.

反応する

React.

っていうのがこの初めましての方とは

This is what I mean by meeting someone for the first time.

やっぱりとても大事になってくるんですよね

After all, it becomes very important, doesn't it?

そうすると

In that case

なんか色々質問してく

I will ask you various questions.

質問もそんなに大した質問してない

The questions aren't really that significant.

うん確かに

Yeah, that's true.

なんですよね

That's right.

そうなんです

That's right.

でもこれでトーマスの方が

But this means Thomas is better.

この人話しやすいなと思ってくれたら

If you feel that this person is easy to talk to,

締めたもので

With a tight grip.

そっから向こうが話を振ってくれる可能性もあるんですよね

There’s also the possibility that they might bring up a conversation from that point onward.

まあね

Well, you know.

ずっと喋ってたらなんか

I was talking for a long time, and somehow...

自分だけ喋ってたってなりますもんね

It would be like I'm the only one talking, right?

そうなんですよ

That's right.

聞こうみたいなね

I want to listen, or something like that.

自分大好きな人はずっと喋ってるんで

People who love themselves keep talking all the time.

それならそれでいいじゃないですか

Well, that's fine then.

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

喋ってくれてよかったみたいな感じになるので

It feels like I'm glad you talked to me.

相手が喋り続けてもよし

It's okay if the other person keeps talking.

話を振ってくれてもよし

It's fine if you bring up the topic.

なるほど

I see.

どっちに転んでもいい状態になるので

It will be in a state where it can go either way.

うんうん確かに

Yeah, that's for sure.

初めましての時は

When meeting for the first time

まあ何でもいいので

Well, I don't mind anything.

いきなりご趣味はって言うと

Suddenly asking about your hobbies...

特にないですみたいなことになるかもしれないし

It might turn out to be something like, "Nothing in particular."

あないですよね

That's right, isn't it?

もう自分もね

Now I too.

あそこもリアクションなんだ

That's a reaction too, huh?

そう自分もね探したりするんですけど

Yeah, I also look for things like that.

なかなか趣味が見つかんなくて

I can't seem to find a hobby.

うん

Yeah.

なんかこれまで

Somehow up to now

これまでやってみたことありますかとか言ったら

Have you tried doing this before?

まあ一つや二つぐらいはあるわけで

Well, there are one or two, after all.

確かに確かに

Certainly, certainly.

途中で終わっちゃってても

Even if it ends halfway through

うんうんうん

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

いいか

Got it.

そうなしでどうやったら続くんでしょうかねみたいな

I wonder how it can continue without that.

うんうんうん

Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

でソフコースといううちに

So, within the soft course...

なんか話が広がるかもしれないです

It might lead to a broader conversation.

確かに話続くなそれなら

Indeed, if that's the case, let's keep talking.

うん

Yeah.

というこう仕事とか趣味とか

Such as work or hobbies.

そういうのを聞いてみるまず

First, I want to hear about that kind of thing.

うん

Yeah.

であとは

Then, what's next?

まあ場合によっては大学とか

Well, it depends on the situation, maybe university or something.

これまでやってきた部活とか

Clubs and activities I've been involved in so far.

うんうんうん

Hmm, hmm, hmm.

まあこういうのを聞いてみるとか

Well, how about asking something like this?

お仕事これまでってお仕事でもいいし

It's fine if you want to talk about your past jobs.

うん

Yeah.

なんかそんなことを聞いてみた後に

After asking something like that...

うん

Yeah.

あそれを聞くのとともにリアクションですね

It's a reaction to hearing that.

なるほどね

I see.

もうとにかく反応

Anyway, just react.

あでさらに言葉だけじゃなくてもう

Moreover, it's not just words anymore.

ジェスチャー

Gesture

あ身振り手振り

Ah, gestures and movements.

身振り手振り

Gestures and movements

うん

Yeah.

もうむすっとして話を聞くのと

"Now you scowl and listen to what I'm saying."

笑顔で話を聞くのと違うし

It's different from listening with a smile.

はい

Yes

うなずくとか

Nodding, for example.

ああそうなんですかすごいとか言ってこう手を叩く

Ah, is that so? That's amazing! *claps hands*

まあそういうのもあるし

Well, there's that too.

そういうねキャラクターでできるできない人いると思いますけど

I think there are some people who can and cannot handle that kind of character.

はいはい

Yes, yes.

でも拍手ぐらいは

But at least a round of applause.

確かに

Certainly.

あったりとか

"Like that" or "for example."

うん

Yeah.

あとこれは男女でできるかどうかによりますけど

It also depends on whether it can be done by both men and women.

握手とかね

Shaking hands and such.

ああなるほどね

Ah, I see.

みたいな

Like, similar to.

あの

Um...

男性から女性に握手を求めるのはハードルがあるって言われたことがあるので

I've been told that it's a hurdle for a man to ask a woman for a handshake.

はい

Yes

まあ場合によっては握手は難しいかもしれないんですけど

Well, depending on the situation, a handshake might be difficult.

できるならね握手でもいいと思いますし

If possible, I think a handshake would be fine too.

あのそういうリアクションっていうんですかね

I wonder if that's what you call that kind of reaction?

うん

Yeah.

,

,

うん

Yeah.

すごく大事です

It's very important.

あとねもしリアルでお話ししてる時に

Also, if we're talking in real life...

はい

Yes

可能な場合はなるべく横というか斜め向かいぐらいですかね

If possible, it would be preferable to be positioned sideways or at an angle.

対面するんじゃなくて

Instead of facing each other.

そうですね

That's right.

ちょっと横並びになってみるとか斜めに

Try lining up a little or at an angle.

そうそうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.

の方がお互い話しやすいというか

It's easier for both of us to talk that way.

まあよく日本人は目を見て話せと言われますけど

Well, Japanese people are often told to look into each other's eyes when speaking.

目見て話すの結構大変なんですよね実は

Actually, talking while making eye contact is quite difficult, you know.

はいはいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

実はコーチングでも

Actually, even in coaching...

目見て話してるようで全然私目見ないんですよ

It seems like you’re looking at me while talking, but you’re not looking into my eyes at all.

そうなんですか

Is that so?

まあ見ますけど

Well, I’ll take a look.

見るというより相手が考えてる時は

Rather than seeing, it's when the other person is thinking.

考えてる方向に視線を寄せるんですね

You focus your gaze in the direction you are thinking.

はーなるほど

Ah, I see.

同じ方向を見るってやつだ

It's about looking in the same direction.

そうそう

That's right.

そう例えばトーマスに

For example, to Thomas.

えポッドキャストと写真

Ah, podcast and photos.

ポッドキャストってどんなことやってるんですか

What kind of things do you do on a podcast?

って聞いた時に

When I heard that,

一瞬さっきね上をやっぱ向いたんですよ

Just a moment ago, I ended up looking up again.

でも確かに見るから

"But I can definitely see it."

こうやって

Like this

一瞬私もこうやって上を向くわけですよ

For a moment, I also look up like this.

なるほど

I see.

でまた

So again.

まあこっち向いて

Well, look this way.

目を合わせるんですけど

I make eye contact.

これ結構テクニックではあるんですが

This is quite a technique, actually.

相手が向いた方法を一緒に見るってやると

If you take a look together at the method the other person is facing...

なんかそれだけね

That's about it.

共感してくれる感じがぐっと増すんですよね

It really feels like the sense of empathy increases significantly.

すげー

Awesome!

そう

Yes.

それすげーっすね

That's amazing!

そうなんです

That's right.

めっちゃいろんなテクニックある

There are a lot of different techniques.

この人やっていると

When this person does it,

あ今日はね本当にいいお話聞けました

Oh, today I heard a really good story.

ありがとうございます

Thank you.

これからまたお願いしますね

I'll ask you again from now on.

みたいな感じで

It's like that.

いい感じで終わるわけです

It finishes off nicely.

なるほどなるほど

I see, I see.

すご

Amazing!

そうこれを繰り返していくと

So, if you keep repeating this...

まあこの相談者さんも

Well, this person seeking advice...

あの自分なりにこういう風にやれば

If I do it this way in my own way...

初めての人とお話ができるなーって

I can talk to someone for the first time!

苦手意識がなくなっていくと思います

I think the sense of being not good at it will fade away.

なるほどね

I see.

で今話した話はまあ

Well, the story I just mentioned is...

仕事先であっても

Even at the workplace

お友達であっても

Even if we are friends.

多少上下があって

There is some fluctuation.

年齢が上の人であっても

Even if they are older people.

まあだいたい大丈夫

Well, it's mostly okay.

問題ないです

No problem.

コア表の人でもだいたいこれでいけますよ

Even for people on the core table, this should generally work.

本当に

Really.

コア表の人大丈夫っすか

Are you okay with the core table?

コア表っていうか

It's not exactly a core table.

あの私そのご紹介いただいて

Um, if you could introduce me to them, please.

コア表って言ったら

When you mention the core table...

あれですけど

It's that, but...

アスリートでめっちゃごっつい人とか

Like a really big athlete

すっごいもう一見怖そうな

Really looks scary at first glance.

鬼軍曹みたいな人と

Like a demon sergeant.

お会いしたことあるんですよ

We've met before.

全然鬼軍曹じゃないんですけど

Not at all a demon sergeant, though.

もういかついんで

It's already tough.

見た目がね

The appearance, you know.

見た目が

Appearance

一瞬ビビったんですけど

I was startled for a moment.

こんにちはって

Hello.

まああのスポーツって繋がりがあるので

Well, that sport has connections.

なんですけど

It's like…

初めましてとか言ってこんな感じで

It's nice to meet you and this is how it goes.

あそうなんですねすごいですね

Oh, I see! That's amazing!

どんな風にあのチームまとめてるんですかとか

How are you managing to bring that team together?

ねほりはほり聞いてたら

I was listening intently.

今日はね喋っちゃったなーと言ったら

"Today, I ended up talking a lot."

コア表なのに

Even though it's the core table...

そうそうそうありがとうございますみたいな

Yes, yes, yes, thank you for that.

できますね

I can do it.

1時間くらいね余裕で喋れますので

I can easily talk for about an hour.

あそうか

Oh, I see.

すげーなんかめっちゃいいこと聞いた

Wow, I just heard something really great!

はい

Yes

まあこんなのねぜひ

Well, something like this, definitely.

試してみていただけたらなと思います

I hope you can give it a try.

そういうねリアクションとかね

Like that reaction, you know?

はい

Yes

もう全然コーチング以前の問題ですよね

It's really a problem that goes beyond coaching itself, isn't it?

すごいなーなんか超勉強になりました

That's amazing! I really learned a lot.

ぜひ試してみてください

Please give it a try.

相手に喋らせる

Let the other person talk.

喋ってもらう

Please talk.

そのためのリアクション

Reaction for that purpose.

はい

Yes.

いやー素晴らしい

Wow, amazing!

なんか質問リストとか作ってとか

Could you make a list of questions or something?

そういう話になるのかと思ったら

I thought that was the kind of conversation we were having.

リアクション

Reaction

作ってもいいですけど

You can make it if you want.

相手の話頭に入らないですからね

I can't get into the other person's topic, you know.

確かにそうなんですよね

That's certainly true.

次これ何聞けばいいんだっけみたいな

What should I ask next again?

まさに何喋ればいいんだっけの真っ白とは一緒ですよ

It's exactly the same as being completely blank about what to say.

確かになーそうだよな

That's true, isn't it?

相手を見ましょう

Let's look at the other person.

相手を見て喋っていきましょう皆さん

Let's talk while looking at each other, everyone.

リアクション頑張りましょう

Let's do our best with the reactions!

リアクション練習しよう

Let's practice our reactions.

はいというわけでいかがでしたでしょうか

So, how was it?

今日の配信を聞いて

I listened to today's broadcast.

皆様の中に

Among everyone.

さらに湧いてきた疑問質問だったり

Moreover, there were further questions and doubts that arose.

自分の場合こここうなんですけど

In my case, it's like this.

どうしたらいいですかとか

What should I do?

ご相談あると思いますので

I think you have something to discuss.

ぜひですね

Certainly!

概要欄にエリリンに通じる

Linking to Eririn in the description.

LINE公式アカウントのリンクがありますので

There is a link to the official LINE account.

そちらポチッと

Just click over there.

友達追加をしていただいて

Thank you for adding me as a friend.

メッセージを送る形で

In the form of sending a message.

どしどしメッセージ送ってきてください

Feel free to send messages!

お待ちしております

We are waiting for you.

というわけで

So, that being said.

カーベル君の100発100中目標達成の秘密

The secret to Carvel-kun's achievement of hitting the target 100 out of 100 times.

第129回

The 129th time

今週も以上で終了とさせていただきます

This concludes this week as well.

エリリンありがとうございました

Thank you, Eririn.

ありがとうございました

Thank you very much.

See you

See you

今週も最後までお付き合いありがとうございました

Thank you for staying with me until the end this week as well.

あなたの毎日に少しでもお役に立ちますので

I hope to be of help to you in your daily life, even just a little.

来週の配信も楽しみにしていてくださいね

Please look forward to next week's stream as well!

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Narration

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