居酒屋であるとテンションの上がるものってある？他 from Radiotalk

どうもアラフォー漫画家きぬこです

I'm Kinueko, a manga artist in my 40s.

本日はですねお題ガチャを使ったお題に答えていこうかなと思います

Today, I think I will respond to a prompt using the topic gacha.

まず1個目ですね

First one, then.

居酒屋にあるとテンションが上がるものってある?です

Is there something that gets you excited when you find it at an izakaya?

イエイ

Yay!

居酒屋さんがすごい好きなんですよ

I really love izakayas.

特にチェーテンのところもいいんですけど

Especially the part with the Cheetens is nice.

いっぱい種類もありますしお手頃なんでね

There are a lot of varieties and they're quite affordable.

でもそれよりも孤独のグルメって皆さんご存知だとは思うんですけども

But I think most of you are familiar with "Solitary Gourmet".

そういうね孤独のグルメで五郎さんが行きそうな

That's the kind of place where Goro-san from "Solitary Gourmet" would likely go.

ちょっと路地裏の小さなお店とかの居酒屋さんが好きですね

I like small izakayas in back alleys.

それでそういうところの居酒屋にあるとテンションが上がるものっていうのはやっぱり

So, the things that get you excited at an izakaya in those kinds of places are definitely...

卵焼きですね

It's a rolled omelette, isn't it?

卵焼きってどこにでもあるけど結構味違いませんか?

Tamago-yaki is everywhere, but doesn't it taste quite different?

私自分でも作るんですけど自分の卵焼きあんまり美味しいと思わないんですよね

I make it myself, but I don't think my omelet is very delicious.

でもほんと卵焼きが好きで

But I really love omelets.

というか卵が好きで

I mean, I like eggs.

それで家ではゆで卵をもっぱら作るんですけど

So at home, I mainly make boiled eggs.

煮卵みたいにするんですよね

It's like making a boiled egg.

ゆでたやつを剥いてつけてみたいな形にするんですけども

I want to peel the boiled ones and shape them like that.

そういうのは家では食べるんですけども

I usually eat that at home.

家で私の作る卵焼きが何しろあんまり美味しくないので

The egg omelet I make at home is really not very good.

外の居酒屋さんの卵焼きを食べるとめっちゃテンションが上がりますね

Eating the tamagoyaki from the izakaya outside really lifts my spirits!

で大体まずいってことはほぼないんですよね

So generally, it's almost never bad.

それもちょっと不思議なんですけども

That's a bit strange, isn't it?

やっぱちゃんとやってるんだろうなっていう

I guess you're doing it properly after all.

細くこうなんていうんですかね

What do you call something that is this thin?

薄く薄く焼いてそれをくるくるくるくるってしてっていうのが

It's about cooking it thinly and then rolling it up and up and up.

あれ難しいですからね

That's difficult, you know.

あの食感を出すにはやっぱあの薄く焼いてくるくるくるくるがないと

To achieve that texture, we definitely need to bake it thin and then roll it up.

私あれが本当にできなくて

I really can't do that.

なんか短期なんですよね

It's kind of short-term, isn't it?

だから天ぷらとかも苦手なんですけど

So I'm not good with things like tempura either.

じっくりなんだろう

I wonder if it’s taking time.

綺麗に丁寧な作業っていうのが本当に苦手で

I'm really not good at neat and careful work.

雑い感じになっちゃうんで

It'll end up feeling rough.

炒め物とか煮物とかね

Stir-fries and stews, you know.

そういうなんだろう

I guess that's how it is.

ザザーっとしたやつは

The one that sounds like a splashing sound.

煮物はそんなでもないでしょうけど

The simmered dish shouldn't be that bad, I suppose.

もっと丁寧にできるんだとは思うんですけども

I think I can do it more carefully.

そういうのは割と得意なんですけども

I'm quite good at that sort of thing, though.

であの卵焼きって甘い方が好きですか

Do you prefer the sweet type of omelette?

しょっぱい方が好きとか

I like it salty.

砂糖が多い方が好きとかあるじゃないですか

Some people like it when there's more sugar, don't they?

私はもうね結構砂糖多めの方が好きなんですよ

I actually prefer it with quite a bit more sugar now.

なんかなぜかというとですね

Well, the reason is that...

私小さい頃に

When I was little,

親がお母さんが作ってくれる卵焼きって

The omelet that my mom makes for me.

甘くなかったんですよね

It wasn't sweet, you know.

完全にだし醤油のみみたいな

It’s like purely just soy sauce.

でどこかのお家かどっかで食べた卵焼きが甘くて

The tamagoyaki I had somewhere was sweet.

すごく美味しかったんですよ

It was really delicious.

それで感動して甘い卵焼きが好きになったんですよね

That's why I became fond of sweet tamagoyaki.

でお母さんに甘い卵焼き作ってよって言ったら

When I asked my mom to make sweet omelets,

やだよ甘いもんって言われて

I don't want to be called something sweet.

あそうですかってなって

Oh, I see.

だから自分では甘い方を作るかな

So I guess I'll make the sweeter one myself.

どっちかっていうと

Rather than that,

で甘い卵焼きなんだけど

It's a sweet omelette, though.

大根おろしが付いてて醤油をかけてるんですよ

It's served with grated daikon and topped with soy sauce.

かけて食べるのが好きです

I like to eat it with sauce.

もうなんて言うんですかね

What can I say now?

豆乳病まっしぐらって感じなんですけども

I feel like I'm heading straight for soy milk sickness.

なんかその両立というかね

It's like balancing both, you know?

甘いのだけでちょっと食べてみる

I'll just taste a little bit of the sweet stuff.

薄い甘い味のやつですね

It's the one with a thin sweet taste, right?

あれが本当に好きで

I really like that.

それで醤油を醤油というか大根おろしとね

So, is soy sauce called soy sauce, or is it grated daikon?

一緒に食べて

Let's eat together.

でまたちょっとこう

And then again, a little like this...

なんかアクセントをつけるみたいなのが

It’s like adding some kind of accent.

すごく好きですね

I really like it.

あー皆さんはどっちが好きなんだろうとか

Ah, I wonder which one everyone likes.

統計とってみたいですよね

I would like to try taking statistics, wouldn't you?

しょっぱい卵焼き派と甘い卵焼き派

Savory omelet faction and sweet omelet faction.

でもなんか大体の家庭ご家庭って

But somehow, most households...

甘い卵焼きが多い気がしますね

I feel like there are a lot of sweet omelets.

私が知ってる人たちはみんな

Everyone I know.

あの甘い方が好きって言いますね

They say they prefer that sweet one.

しょっぱい派の人はもう本当ね

People of the salty faction are really something else, aren't they?

ご意見とね

Your opinion.

どうしてしょっぱいのが好きかっていう感想というかね

It's more of a reflection on why I like salty things.

あの理由を教えてもらいたいですよね

I would like to know the reason behind that, you know.

私もしょっぱいのがずっとまあその食べてきたっていうのが

I’ve always been eating salty things, I guess.

また嫌いじゃないんですけどね

I don't dislike it, though.

外では本当にないですよね

It's really not outside, is it?

やっぱあのお店とか居酒屋さんとかで食べる卵焼きって

After all, the tamagoyaki you eat at places like that restaurant or izakaya...

大体薄甘ですもんね

It's generally a bit sweet, right?

やっぱだしで卵焼き自体にそんなに味をつけないからだと思うんですけれどもね

I think it's because the dash stock itself doesn't really add much flavor to the tamagoyaki.

私あの田舎の方の育ちなんで

I grew up in the countryside.

何でもしょっぱかったんでね

Everything was sour, you know.

おばあちゃん家とかもね

Like at grandma's house, too.

本当に何食べてもしょっぱかったんですけど

Everything I ate was just really salty.

子供だから味付けが濃いものが好きなんで

Because they are kids, they like things that are heavily seasoned.

まあ全然それは問題なかったので

Well, that was not a problem at all.

あのーこう今お世話になってる

Um, I'm currently being taken care of.

まあアシスタント先の先生のところがね

Well, the teacher at the assistant position...

ご飯がすごく美味しいんですけど

The rice is really delicious.

まあ月に本当にちょっとしか行かないんですよ

Well, I really only go to the moon a little bit.

2、3日とかね

In a couple of days or so.

でその時にご飯を出していただくんですけども

And at that time, we are served rice.

その先生のお母さんがね作ったね

That's something the teacher's mother made.

あのご飯がねすごくねいつもお出汁が

That rice always has really good dashi.

いいお出汁の味でね

It has a nice broth flavor.

薄味でね私はすごく好きなんですよそれが

I really like it that way, with a light flavor.

なかなかね

Not easy, huh?

家でその具合って難しくて

It's difficult to manage that at home.

なんか気づくと

I suddenly realized something.

味見してあれ薄いかな薄いかなとか言ってるうちに

While tasting it, I wondered if it might be too thin or too thin.

ちょっと濃いめになっちゃったりとかもあるんですよね

Sometimes it ends up a bit too strong.

なるべく気をつけてはいるんですけどね

I try to be careful as much as possible.

そこの加減がちょっと難しくて

The balance there is a bit tricky.

料理がねそういうお出汁をちゃんと取って

The dish properly uses a good broth.

昆布とかカツオから取って

Made from kombu and bonito.

出たお出汁の味っていうのはすごくこう自然な感じで

The taste of the broth that comes out is really a natural feeling.

優しい優しい感じですよね

It has a gentle, gentle feeling, doesn't it?

でも私はもうあの出汁のもとでね

But I'm already on that dashi base.

大好きっ子なので

Because I'm a kid who really loves you.

もう万倍入れますけどね

I can put in a thousand times more, you know.

出汁のもとの味しかしないのとかでも

Even if it just tastes like the flavor of the broth base.

全然いいよっていうくらい

It's totally fine.

あれは美味しいと思います

I think that is delicious.

味のもとさんありがとう

Thank you, Aji no Moto.

味のもと以外もありますけどね

There are other things besides the flavoring, though.

では続いてのお題は何かあるかな

Well then, is there another topic?

えーとこれかな

Um, is this it?

何歳からおじさんおばさんだと思う

At what age do you think someone becomes an uncle or aunt?

そういうお題ですね

That's the theme, isn't it?

これはもういいか拍手は

Is this good enough now, applause?

で何歳からおじさんおばさんだと思うっていう

At what age do you think someone becomes an uncle or aunt?

のについてなんですけれども

It's about...

私は本人がこうおじさんおばさんだと

I think this person is an uncle or aunt.

認識した瞬間からかなとは思いますね

I think it’s from the moment you recognize it.

なんていうか自分はもう

How should I put it, I'm already...

おじさんだからとかおばさんだからっていう

It's because he's an uncle or because she's an aunt.

瞬間があるんですよね

There are moments, aren't there?

なんかこう若い子と話をしてる時とか

It's like when I'm talking to younger people.

例えば20代後半とかで

For example, in your late 20s.

10代の子とか20歳そこそこの後輩とかね

Youths in their teens and junior colleagues around the age of twenty.

仕事のそういう方とお話をした時に

When I talked with someone like that at work

なんかこう急にこうふっとこう

Suddenly, it's like a puff.

なんだろう肩の荷が下りるっていうのも

I wonder if it means to lighten the burdens on my shoulders.

なんか変なんですけどすごくこう

It's kind of strange, but it's really like this.

頑張らなきゃ頑張らなきゃ頑張らなきゃ

I have to do my best, I have to do my best, I have to do my best.

っていうのから解放された瞬間って感じですかね

It feels like the moment I've been freed from that.

におじさんおばさんが

uncle and aunt

おばさんだなって自分が感じた時から

Since the time I felt like I was an aunt.

おじさんおばさんかなって思います

I think it's probably an uncle and an aunt.

それはだからもう20代でも全然あると思うし

I think that's still completely possible even in your 20s.

もうそういう風に感じないでまだまだいけるって

Don't feel that way anymore; you can still go on.

思ってたらもう40代でも50代でも

If you think about it, before you know it, you'll be in your 40s or 50s.

おじさんおばさんではないと思います

I don't think they're aunt and uncle.

本人次第の感覚だと思うんですよね

I think it's a sense that depends on the person.

私はもうリアルで周りの人から客観的に見たら

From an objective viewpoint, looking at myself in reality among the people around me...

もうおばさんなんですけれども

I'm already an aunt, you know.

40代の人で全然自分はまだまだ若いしって

People in their 40s often think to themselves that they are still very young.

思ってる人がいたとして

If there is someone who is thinking that way

そしたら私はその方はもうそれでいいと思うし

Then I think that person is fine with that.

それについてあいつばばなのになとか

Even though that person is old, I wonder...

じじいなのになとは思ったりはしないですね

I don't think of it as being an old man.

本人がなんていうんですかね

What does the person themselves say?

若い頃の前をひたすら見てるというか

It's like I'm just constantly looking ahead to my younger days.

すごいダッシュでずっと走り続けなきゃいけない感じ

It feels like I have to keep running at an amazing dash non-stop.

というのから解放される瞬間というか

It's the moment of being released from that.

なんかもうまったりしようかなって思う瞬間があるんですよ

There are moments when I think I should just relax and take it easy.

そういうときに安心感というか

In such times, it's a sense of reassurance.

急にすっと楽になるんですよね

It suddenly feels a lot easier.

だからおじさんおばさんっていう風に

So that's why we call them uncle and aunt.

自分たちを納得させることによって

By convincing ourselves.

いろんな自分がやらなきゃいけなかったことやら

Various things that I had to do myself.

叶わなかったことやら何もかも捨て去るというか

It's about discarding everything, including things that couldn't be achieved.

なんていうんですかね

What can I say?

解放される瞬間っていうのがあるから

There is a moment when you are liberated.

私はそんなに悪い言葉だとは思わないんですよね

I don't think it's such a bad word.

別に自分を卑下して言ってるわけじゃなくて

I'm not saying this to belittle myself or anything.

自分はもうその上の段階というか

I am already at a higher level, or rather...

そこの段階は一段落して

Let's conclude that stage.

今は違うことをしようと思ってるんだよ

I'm thinking about doing something different now.

っていう段階って感じですかね

It feels like that's the stage we're at, I guess.

そうですね

That's right.

なんかだからおじいちゃん

For some reason, Grandpa...

自分のことおじいちゃんだからおばあちゃんだからっていうのはもう本当に

"It's really because of my own situation, whether I'm a grandpa or a grandma."

おじいちゃんおばあちゃんお孫さんがいたりとかね

Grandpa and grandma have grandchildren and such, you know.

そういう人たちはもう自分のことを

People like that no longer think about themselves.

おじいちゃんおばあちゃんだからっていうのとは

It's not just because they're grandparents.

また別におじさんおばさんって

Also, separately, uncles and aunts.

自分たちが認識する瞬間っていうのは

The moment we recognize ourselves

なんかこう

Somehow, like...

なんて言ったらいいのかな

I wonder how I should say this.

難しいんですけども

It's difficult, but...

でもその自分たちは本当にその段階は過ぎたんだよっていう

But we've really already passed that stage.

なんか自分への確認みたいな感じだと思いますね

I think it feels like a sort of confirmation for myself.

みたいな感じだと思いますね

I think it feels something like that.

だからこう

So like this

ずっと横も後ろも見ずにダッシュし続けてたけど

I kept running forward without looking to the side or behind me.

ちょっと歩いたり後ろを見たり

Just walking a little and looking back.

まあすごいわかりやすいというか

Well, it's really easy to understand.

よくある言葉ですけども

It's a common saying, but...

ちょっと振り返るみたいなのを感じた瞬間に

The moment I felt like I was looking back a little.

自分はちょっと年を取ったんじゃないかなっていう風に

I feel like I've gotten a little older.

感じるかなと思いますね

I think you can feel it, right?

あ、これね

Ah, this one.

あ、そっかもうこんな時間になってしまいましたね

Oh, I see, it's already this time, huh?

あ、これいつものパターンだ

Ah, this is the usual pattern.

もうそんなに話す

"You're already talking that much."

2個かな

Maybe two.

大体お題2個ぐらい消化がギリギリぐらいですかね

I guess I can barely manage to tackle about two topics.

またなんかこのお題ガチャ結構面白いんでね

This topic gacha is pretty interesting, isn't it?

なんかでも難しいお題多いですよね

There are quite a few difficult topics, aren't there?

生まれ変わるとしたら何がいいとか

If you were to be reborn, what would you want to be?

生まれ変わるとしたら何がいいって

If I were to be reborn, what would be good?

なんか生まれ変わりたくないって選択肢はないんだなって思いましたね

I thought there really isn't an option to not want to be reincarnated.

私はもうこの人生が終わったら

When this life is over for me

そこでどうせ意識が寸断されるというか

In that case, it's as if consciousness is interrupted.

なくなるわけですけども

It will disappear, but...

もう次に何に生まれたいっていうのはあんまりないですね

I don't really have a strong desire to be born as anything in particular next time.

もう終わりたいって感じですね

I feel like I want to be done with it already.

なんか絶望的な話になっちゃうな

It's becoming somewhat of a hopeless story.

まあでも強いて言うならやっぱり動物がいいですね

Well, if I had to choose, I guess animals are the best.

かわいいペットにでも生まれ変わって

I wish to be reborn as a cute pet.

可愛がられて生きていきたいなとは思いますね

I do think I want to live being cared for.

人間はちょっとめんどくさいからいいかなって感じはします

I feel like humans are a bit troublesome, so it's okay.

そしてですね

And then, you see,

あのさっきね鶏むね肉を茹でていたので

Well, I was boiling chicken breast just now.

鶏むね肉を茹でているというか鶏ハムを作っていたのでね

I was boiling chicken breast, or rather, I was making chicken ham.

火を止めた瞬間にね話が何だったか一瞬忘れてしまうというね

The moment you stop the fire, you instantly forget what the conversation was about.

これがねおばさんということなんですよね

This is what it means to be an aunt, you know.

まあこんな感じでまとめてみました

Well, I've put it together like this.

ありがとうございました

Thank you.