#024【福岡の風習の由来！！】2024/09/15

ゴリケンの諸説あります

There are various theories about Goriken.

学校の教科書には載ってない歴史について語りますと

I will talk about history that is not included in school textbooks.

はい今日のお題は何でしょうか

Yes, what is today's topic?

本日のお題は福岡の風習の由来という

Today's topic is the origin of the customs in Fukuoka.

福岡の風習

Fukuoka's customs

あのーまあ住んでますと

Um, well, I live there.

福岡ならではの風習ってあるじゃないですか

There are unique customs that can only be found in Fukuoka, right?

例えば山笠の期間中山笠をね

For example, during the period of the Yamaboko, the Yamaboko...

山を担ぐ人はキュウリを食べちゃう

The person carrying the mountain eats cucumbers.

そうですね串田神社の御神門に似てるから

That's right, it's because it resembles the sacred gate of Kushi Shrine.

似ているから食べちゃいけないみたいな

It feels like you shouldn't eat it just because it looks similar.

福岡県だけじゃないですか

Isn't it just Fukuoka Prefecture?

そうですね福岡県というよりは福岡市の博多の山笠に関わる人だけですからね

That's right, it's only the people involved with the Hakata Yamakasa in Fukuoka City rather than the entire Fukuoka Prefecture.

そういう感じで言うと例えばお正月にね

If you put it that way, for example during New Year's...

福岡はブリを持っていく

Fukuoka will bring the amberjack.

ああ

Ah.

はいはいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

あれも他あんまないんですよね

That doesn't really exist much either, does it?

そうですよね

That's right.

これもやっぱなんで持っていくかっていうと出世魚であるというね

The reason why I'm taking this is because it is a promotion fish, after all.

ブリっていうのは

"Buri" refers to a type of fish.

葉町とかヤギとかそこから

From places like Hasumachi and the goats there.

縁起がいいっていうのもあるし

It's considered auspicious.

このもらった奥様嫁さんの

The wife I received.

嫁ブリがいい

I like being a daughter-in-law.

そう嫁ブリがいいという

I want to be a good wife.

言いますよね

You say that, don't you?

っていう言葉があって持っていくっていう

There is a phrase that means to take it with you.

はいはい

Yes, yes.

結構他県から来ると正月いきなりブリをドーンって持ってこられると

When coming from other prefectures, being suddenly presented with a big piece of amberjack (buri) during New Year's can be quite surprising.

さばき方もわからんし

I don't even know how to handle it.

めちゃめちゃ他県からすると

It’s really something when you look at it from the perspective of other prefectures.

他の地域も同じだろうって思って持ってっちゃうと大変なことになるってことね

If you think that other regions are the same and take it with you, it will lead to serious consequences.

困惑するっていうのあるから

Because there's something called confusion.

っていうのをちょっといろいろ集めると

When you gather various things like that a little...

他にもじゃあ何でしょう

What else could it be, then?

三能が入っていますよね

It's included in the three abilities, right?

ああ言いますね声を合わせてみんなでこうね一斉に

Ah, they'll say that, and everyone will join in and do it all at once.

歌うときこれ福岡だけですよね

When singing, this is only in Fukuoka, right?

だいたい福岡だったら一二の三とか福岡じゃない他の

"Usually, if it's Fukuoka, it's either one or two, or something other than Fukuoka."

福岡三能が入るでしょ

Fukuoka will definitely join in, right?

福岡三能が入る

Fukuoka Sanno will participate.

他の地域だと一二の三とか一世の世とか

In other regions, it's like "one, two, three," or "generation of one."

世みたいなことじゃないですか

Isn't it something like the world?

そんなのあるのかな

I wonder if there is such a thing.

三能が入ってよくわかんないじゃないですか

It's hard to understand because San'nō is involved, isn't it?

なんでそう言うんだろう

I wonder why they say that.

由来

Origin

これ調べると

When you investigate this...

二つぐらいあって

There are about two.

一つは歌うとき

One is when singing.

三はい

Three, yes.

ああはいはいはい

Ah, yes, yes, yes.

っていうことが

That means

一二三はいっていうかね

"One, two, three, it's like I'm saying."

三能がはいになってる

San'nou has become a part of it.

でももともと

But originally

せーのっていうのと一緒なんですね

It's the same as saying "ready, set, go."

三能が入って

Sannou has entered.

せーの

Ready, set, go!

そのせーのっていう語源が

The origin of the phrase "that say so" is...

もともと

originally

祭の神来いっていう

"Come, festival gods!"

え

Eh?

あの祭の神っていうのね

That's the god of that festival, huh?

いらっしゃって

Welcome.

お祭禅の

Festival Zen

お祭禅の祭っていう字

The character for "festival" in "Omatsuri Zen."

そうそうそうそう

That's right, that's right, that's right.

あの

Um...

祭の神に力を貸してくださいということで

Please lend your power to the festival's deity.

祭の神来い

Come, gods of the festival.

っていう漢字が

The kanji that says.

祭来い

Come to the festival.

せい来い

Seiko (or success).

せーの

Ready, set, go!

へー

Oh, really?

っていうのが

What I mean is

二つに言われて

Told in two ways.

ちょっと持ってき方遠かったけど

It was a bit far to bring it, but...

遠かったけど

It was far, but...

これはだいぶ端折りました

This is considerably abbreviated.

でももともとの由来は祭の声です

But the original origin is the voice of the festival.

あの祭の神来い

Come, deity of that festival.

それが三能がはいに

That is how Sanno became.

じゃあその最初は

Well, that first...

リズムよくするためにっていうよりは

Rather than to do it rhythmically,

神に祈るっていう意味でやってたんだ

I did it with the meaning of praying to God.

せーのっていうのは

"Se-no" means...

元気玉の考えですよ

It's the idea of the Spirit Bomb.

オラにパワーを貸してくれって考え

It's the thought of asking for power to be lent to me.

祭の神様力貸してくださいよ

Please lend me the power of the festival gods.

せーのから来てるっていう

It comes from "se-no".

という

That is.

そういう風に言うと

If you say it like that

一世の

Yours truly.

せいも

"Seimo"

一世って

What is Issei?

なんですか

What is it?

あの一世のじゃないんですよあれ

That's not from that era.

え、違うんですか

Huh, is that not the case?

違うんですよ

That's not it.

みんな揃って一世にじゃないんだ

It's not about everyone coming together for one life.

じゃなくて

Not that.

うん

Yeah.

これはあの

This is, um...

フランス語なんですね

It's French, isn't it?

また

Again

いや本当に

No, really.

明治時代に

During the Meiji era

へー

Oh really?

その引き上げる

Lifting that up.

うん

Yeah.

一世っていうのは

What's meant by "Issei" is...

フランス語で引き上げる意味なんですよ

It means to lift in French.

引き上げる

to raise

明治時代に日本海軍が

During the Meiji era, the Japanese Navy...

フランス海軍と合同練習した時に

When we conducted joint exercises with the French Navy.

ボートを引き上げる

Pulling up the boat.

号令を使用したところ

Where the command was used

ほう

Oh.

から

from

一世の

Issei's

へー

Oh really?

みたいな

Like

これはちょっと福岡関係ないけど

This is a bit unrelated to Fukuoka, but...

そういう

That's how it is.

フランス語だったんですよ

It was French.

へー

Oh really?

で

And

三能が入っていうのは

The meaning of "Sanno ga Haitte Iu no wa" is "What Sanno is saying."

その

That

才の神

God of talent

恋

Love

へー

Huh.

九州の肉まん何にかけます

What do you put on Kyushu's meat buns?

酢醤油

vinegar and soy sauce

なぜ

Why?

美味しいから

Because it's delicious.

そりゃ正解

That's correct.

いやいや

No, no.

確かに

Certainly.

でも九州だけなんですよね

But it's only Kyushu, isn't it?

そうなんですよね

That's right.

あれね

That thing, huh?

これはもともと

This is originally

長崎中華街が発祥って言われてるんですよ

It is said that Nagasaki Chinatown is the origin.

あそこから来てるんだ

I'm coming from over there.

で天津に黒酢をつけて食べていた

I was eating it with black vinegar in Tianjin.

当時

At that time.

ただ日本にはなくて

It's just not in Japan.

黒酢の代わりに酢醤油をつけて食べて流れてきたのが

What flowed in was eaten with soy sauce instead of black vinegar.

肉まんのその

The inside of the meat bun.

へー

Oh really?

長崎から来てる

I’m from Nagasaki.

へー

Oh really?

っていうので言わせてもらうと

Speaking of which, let me say this.

お正月

New Year

一番福岡だけの

The one and only Fukuoka.

独特の

unique

お雑煮

Ozouni (a traditional Japanese New Year's soup)

違う

Different.

違う何

What is different?

お正月

New Year's Day

当たり前のようにお参りいくけど

It's only natural to go to worship, but...

あ

Ah

三者舞

Three-way dance

はいはいはいはい

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

福岡だけですよ

Only Fukuoka.

あれ知らなかった

I didn't know that.

もうどこもやってると思ってた

I thought everywhere was open.

ね

Hey.

いやもう福岡だけで

No, just Fukuoka.

他は一社だけってこと

So there's only one other company.

大体そうです

That's generally it.

熊本も一社だけ

Only one company in Kumamoto.

一社だけです

Only one company.

へー

Oh really?

まあ大体まあ

Well, generally speaking, yeah.

太宰府

Dazaifu

函館

Hakodate

宮城だけみたいな定番

It seems like a classic that is unique to Miyagi.

まあそうですね

Well, that's true.

そういうコースがありますよね

There is such a course, isn't there?

でもだからたくさん参った方が

But that's why it's better to come a lot.

運が良くなりそうとか

It seems that luck is about to get better.

ほうほうほう

Hmm, hmm, hmm.

三者が回るの限界だからみたいな

It seems that there is a limit to how many can rotate among the three.

いろんな説あるんですよ

There are a lot of different theories.

ええええ

Eeeeeh!

ただ

However

これ調べると

When you investigate this,

お

Oh

なんか見つかった

I found something.

由来は福岡じゃない

The origin is not Fukuoka.

え

Eh?

福岡じゃない

It's not Fukuoka.

由来は違うんですよ

The origin is different.

どこからですよね

"Where are you from?"

由来は鎌倉時代までさかのぼる

Its origins date back to the Kamakura period.

ほう

Oh.

1181年の出来事ですね

It's an event from the year 1181.

1181年

Year 1181

はい

Yes

1181年って鎌倉でもないよ

1181 is not during the Kamakura period.

あその前ですかね

Maybe before that.

鎌倉もともと1192年って僕ら習ってるけど

We learned that Kamakura originally started in 1192.

あ1185年

1195年

1185年でしょ今

It's 1185 now, isn't it?

そう鎌倉のじゃあ

So, it's in Kamakura then.

ちょっと手前だ平和

Just a little bit closer to peace.

でも源頼朝

But Minamoto no Yoritomo.

が鶴岡八幡宮にまず正月にお参りした記録があるんですよ

There is a record of visiting Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gu Shrine first on New Year's Day.

それまで正月に参拝するってそんななかったんですけど

I hadn't really visited shrines during the New Year until then.

1181年の1月1日に源頼朝が鶴岡八幡宮に初詣に行ったという

It is said that Minamoto no Yoritomo visited Tsurugaoka Hachimangu for the first prayer of the year on January 1, 1181.

記録があります

There is a record.

その数年後同じく頼朝が

A few years later, the same Yoshitomo.

箱根神社と

Hakone Shrine and

伊豆山神社と静岡の三島神社に

Izusan Shrine and Mishima Shrine in Shizuoka.

どんな流れかっていうのは説明されてないんですけど

They haven't explained what the flow is like.

なんかこう氏神も含めて

Including the local deity and all.

ついでについでの連続だったかもしれないですけど

It might have just been a series of subsequent events, though.

三社

Three companies

参ったんだ

I'm defeated.

参ったんですよ

I was defeated.

三箇所お参りした

I visited three places.

数年後のお正月に

On New Year's Day a few years later.

はい

Yes

ここが元で三社参りの始まりって言われてるんですよね

This is said to be the place where the tradition of visiting three shrines began.

へー

Oh, really?

その数年後も江戸時代になって

A few years later, during the Edo period,

数年後

A few years later

数年後だいぶね

A few years later, quite a bit.

だいぶだって

It's been a while.

数百年後やね

A few hundred years later.

なぜか黒田藩にお正月に

For some reason, on New Year's, in the Kuroda domain.

頼朝が三社回ったよっていう噂が広まったんですって

It's said that the rumor spread that Yoritomo visited the three shrines.

黒田藩の武士たちがそれを真似て

The samurai of the Kuroda clan imitated it.

住吉日吉箱崎神社を参ったと

I visited the Sumiyoshi Hiyoshi Hakozaki Shrine.

へー

Oh really?

それが始まりでさらに数年後

That was the beginning, and several years later...

数年後ってもうだいぶ先じゃありません

Isn't a few years from now quite far away?

終戦後ですね

After the end of the war.

神社と

Shrine and

鉄道と旅行

Railways and Travel

これ諸説ありますよ

There are various theories on this.

旅行会社が

Travel agency

ずっと諸説ありますけどね

There have been various theories for a long time, though.

はいこれも全部諸説

Yes, all of this is just speculation.

キャンペーンをやったんですね

You held a campaign, didn't you?

正月の参拝は電車でっていうことで

We are going to visit the shrine for New Year's by train.

はー

Ha~

電車で行くと一日でここが回れますよっていうことでその

If you go by train, you can explore here in just one day.

太宰府

Dazaifu

函館

Hakodate

宮路岳

Miyaji Mountain

はー

Ha-

西鉄で行けるわ

You can go by Nishi-Tetsu.

そうでしょ

That's right.

大牟田線から太宰府線っていうかね行ったり宮路岳線に行ったり

From the Omuta Line to the Dazaifu Line, or rather, going to the Miyaji-dake Line.

これが

This is

はー

Ha~

これ昔思い出してください

Please remember this from the past.

はい

Yes

もともと初詣自体ももともとその

Originally, the New Year’s pilgrimage itself was originally that.

まあ頼朝が先って言ってたけど

Well, I heard that Yoritomo said he was going first.

最初にその一般の人がやるようになったのは

The first time that ordinary people started doing it was...

その明治鉄道鉄道が走った時に川崎大社まで行けるようになったんですよね

When the Meiji Railway was in operation, it became possible to go to Kawasaki Daisha.

へー

Oh really?

東京から

From Tokyo

はいはい

Yes, yes.

お正月は家族みんなでお参り行きましょうよって

Let's all go to pray together as a family for the New Year.

はー

Ha~

結構キャンペーンに

Quite a campaign.

キャンペーンなんだ最初は

It's a campaign at first.

キャンペーンなんですね

It's a campaign, isn't it?

いやーなんで今

Well, why now?

これだって思ったのに

I thought this was it.

いやーだからもう昔の人に

Well, that's why to the people from the past...

うん

Yeah.

あのねうなぎの日だってキャンペーンだった

You know, there was a campaign for Eel Day.

まあそりゃそうよね平賀元内の

Well, that's true, isn't it, Hira ga Gennai?

平賀元内が夏だからそういう

"Because it's summer, that's what Hiraga Motonai says."

うのつくものって聞いてね

I heard it’s something that starts with "u."

昔の人の発想に今続いてるという

It is said that the ideas of ancient people continue to this day.

はーでも今日いろいろ話出てきたけど風習の由来本当ですか

Wow, we've discussed a lot today, but is the origin of the customs for real?

諸説あります

There are various theories.

ということでね福岡の風習の由来について今日はお送りしました

So, today I presented about the origins of the customs in Fukuoka.

はい

Yes

ゴリケンの諸説あります

There are various theories about Goriken.

最新作はRKBラジオ日曜午前11時

The latest work is on RKB Radio Sunday at 11 AM.

ゴリケンのぐるぐるマップの中で放送中

Currently broadcasting in Gori Ken's Guruguru Map.

こちらもゴリゴリお聴きください

Please listen to this with enthusiasm.

樋口清則です

This is Kiyonori Higuchi.

僕がしゃべる我思うゆえに我ありが

I speak, therefore I am.

ラジオを飛び出してポッドキャストで放送中です

We are broadcasting on a podcast after leaving the radio.

僕の持論哲学をRKBアナウンサーの

My theory on philosophy is by RKB announcer.

武田彩アナとしゃべっています

I am talking with announcer Aya Takeda.

固定観念や既成概念をぶち壊す

Break down stereotypes and preconceived notions.

ポッドキャスト番組我思うゆえに我あり

Podcast program "I Think, Therefore I Am"

ぜひお聴きください

Please give it a listen.