【スペシャル対談 完全版】 矢沢永吉×福山雅治
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【スペシャル対談 完全版】 矢沢永吉×福山雅治
14歳のプレイリストということで
It's a playlist for a 14-year-old.
すいません私勝手に喋り始めてしまいました福山正治です
I'm sorry, I started speaking on my own. This is Masaharu Fukuyama.
今日はですねなんと私
Today, you won't believe it, but I...
あるスーパースターそしてある大先輩の方に
To a certain superstar and a certain senior person.
呼び出しを受けましてやってまいりました
I have come in response to your call.
先輩お名前を言っていただいてもよろしいでしょうか
May I ask you to tell me your name, senpai?
もう福山さん初めてですね
This is my first time meeting you, Mr. Fukuyama.
お会いするのは
Nice to meet you.
矢沢恵吉ですよろしく
This is Eikichi Yazawa, nice to meet you.
矢沢さんよろしくお願いします
Thank you, Yazawa-san.
どうもよろしくお願いします
Thank you very much for your cooperation.
今初めてって話になったんですけど
It just became a topic that it's happening for the first time.
実は僕こんなことがありました
Actually, I had something like this happen.
このコロナ禍になって
Since this COVID-19 pandemic began
ある日突然矢沢さんが福山と話したいと言っていると
One day, suddenly, Yazawa said he wants to talk to Fukuyama.
突然その話があったんです
Suddenly, that story came up.
それは本当です
That is true.
いやいやそれが今から
No, no, that's from now on.
去年
Last year
一昨年ですか
The year before last, is it?
去年ですか
Was it last year?
もう一年は過ぎてますね
Another year has passed, hasn't it?
過ぎてますよね
It's already passed, isn't it?
このラジオを聞いてる人は
Those who are listening to this radio.
なんでって思うんですけども
I wonder why that is.
一方的に僕がね
It's one-sided on my part.
ちょっと昔の話になるんですけど
It's a story from a little while ago.
僕の誕生日の時に
When it's my birthday
うちのスタッフがね
Our staff, you know.
龍馬伝っていう
It's called "Ryoma Den."
DVDが4枚入ってる塊ですよね
It's a bundle that contains four DVDs, right?
大河ドラマ全48話です
It's a total of 48 episodes of the taiga drama.
そう
That's right.
あれをね
That thing, you know.
お前が
You.
ボス
Boss
これ見てくださいって
Please look at this.
僕にプレゼントしてくれ
Give me a present.
でなんで僕にプレゼントしたかといったら
So the reason you gave me a present is...
その時僕は福山さんとはまだ全然
At that time, I still had no connection with Fukuyama-san at all.
喋ったこともない仲なんですけども
We’ve never even spoken to each other.
だから僕はなんかのことで
So, I am somehow involved in something.
誰でもが日本の男は一回ハマるって言い方はおかしいんですけども
It's strange to say that any man in Japan gets hooked once, but...
夢中になる坂本龍馬ですか
Is it Sakamoto Ryoma who becomes obsessed?
なんか本読んだり何やったりしてる最中だったんだな
I was in the middle of reading a book or doing something else.
それで僕は坂本龍馬
So I am Sakamoto Ryoma.
うーんって入ってるんですけども
Hmm, it's in there, but...
入ってる時に
When it's inside.
ボスこれ誕生日プレゼントですって来たから
Boss, this came as a birthday present.
パッと
Suddenly
え福山正
Eh, Masaharu Fukuyama.
あー今NHK来ないだね
Ah, NHK isn't coming right now.
うーんありがとうありがとう
Hmm, thank you, thank you.
でも僕の気持ちの中で正直
But honestly, in my feelings...
これは怒られちゃうか分かんないんですけど
I'm not sure if I'm going to get in trouble for this, but...
福山正春はちょっといい男すぎて
Masaharu Fukuyama is just a bit too handsome.
やっぱり
As expected.
武田哲也さんの方がやっぱり
Tetsuya Takeda is still the best, after all.
哲也さんの方がやっぱりいい感じですかね
It seems like Tetsuya-san has a better vibe after all, doesn't it?
ちょっとねなんかイメージとしてね
Well, you know, it's just like an image or something.
いい男すぎない?ってのが自分の中にあって
Don't you think he's too much of a good man? That's something I have inside me.
もらって
Please give it to me.
確かに
Certainly.
絶対見るからね
I will definitely watch it.
iyiと思う
I think it's good.
意味の詳細にこうかぞってた
I was counting on the details of the meaning.
身を見ようと思うけど
I think I want to see my body.
僕らほら
Look at us.
っぱみるぞ
I'll definitely watch it!
見るぞって言いながら
"I'm going to see it, I said."
なかなか時間がすぐ立っちゃうじゃないですか
Time really flies, doesn’t it?
一年たって
One year later.
いち年半がたってって言う
"It's been a year and a half."
本当にね
Really, huh?
これ福山さんに怒られちゃうんだけど
I'm going to get scolded by Fukuyama-san for this.
2年くらい
About two years.
そのまま飾られてるのに
It's just being displayed as is.
はい
Yes.
で、ある日ね、あ、見よ。よし、今日見るぞってそのままパッと出して、パーッと開けて、お、4枚入ってるんだ。
So, one day, I thought, "Oh, let's see." I just pulled it out and opened it up quickly, and wow, there are 4 sheets in there.
1番はこっからだなってことで、パッとDVDかけました。
Let's get started with number one, so I quickly put in the DVD.
見たら幼少の頃のね、四国の高知のあそこから始まるんですよ。
It starts from there in Kochi, Shikoku, from my childhood.
ですよね。
That's right.
そうです。
That's right.
で、ビーッと始まって、だんだんだんだん行って、この福山さん登場。
So, it started with a beep, and gradually went on, and then Mr. Fukuyama appeared.
いいんだよ、これが。
It's fine, this is it.
これ、気づいたら、次、次、次って、もう次々、もうワクワクしちゃう。
When I realized this, it was like one thing after another, and I just can't help but get excited.
それからね、僕気づいたら、福山雅春でなければ絶対ならないと思ったね。
Then, you know, I realized that I absolutely had to be Masaharu Fukuyama.
坂本龍馬をやるのを。
I will play Sakamoto Ryoma.
龍馬は福山雅春じゃないと、はまらないと思いましたよ。
I thought that Ryoma wouldn't fit anyone other than MasaharU Fukuyama.
それで、それはもう喋り方から笑い方、友達を思う感じとか、
So, it's already in the way you speak, the way you laugh, your feelings towards your friends, and so on.
なんか。
Something.
友達様を思う感じとか、豪快な感じ。
The feeling of thinking about a friend, and a grand feeling.
もう、はまりまくりですよ。
I'm already totally hooked.
ほんで僕ね、もう完璧にワンフだよね。
And you know, I'm perfectly a one-foo now.
ワンフ状態。
One-off state.
ファンです。
I'm a fan.
ファンですね。
You're a fan, aren't you?
ギロッポンのワンフです。
This is a one-wheeled vehicle from Roppongi.
僕ら6、4歩でワンフって言っちゃうんですけども。
We say "one foot" in a 6-4 step.
それで、福山さんに一回僕、喋りたいなって。
So, I want to talk to Mr. Fukuyama once.
本当に思ったの?冗談抜きで。
Did you really think that? No jokes.
そうなんです。
That's right.
ほんで、僕こう見えてもあんまり。
Well, despite how I look, I’m not really that...
業界に知り合いがあんまりいないもんで。
I don't have many acquaintances in the industry.
そしたらうちのスタッフ、いや、ボスはアミューズの人。
Then our staff, no, the boss is from Amuse.
結構うちよく知ってますので。
I know quite a bit about our house.
と言うから、マジ?
Is that so? Really?
どうにか福山さんと喋れるようにしてくれない?
Can you somehow help me to be able to talk to Mr. Fukuyama?
と言って。
"Say that."
だからもう、福山さんにしてみたら、
So, from Fukuyama's perspective,
矢沢がちょっと福山さんとお話ししたいんですけどって急に来たでしょ。
Yazawa suddenly came and said he wanted to talk to Mr. Fukuyama for a bit, right?
そうです。
That's right.
で、要件は何?って聞いて。
So, what's the request?
僕はビビるじゃないですか、矢沢さん。
I'm not scared, Mr. Yazawa.
いや、もうちょっと。
No, just a little more.
もちろんね、このおでんスタジオ、今日おでんスタジオやってる矢沢さんが経営されてるとこで収録で、
Of course, this oden studio, where today's oden studio is run by Mr. Yazawa, is where we're recording.
おでんスタジオは何度も使わせていただいていて、以前ちょっとだけすれ違いにご挨拶させていただいたことあるんだけど、
I have used the Oden Studio multiple times, and I have briefly had a chance to greet you before when we crossed paths.
それだけだったので、ある日突然矢沢さんが福山さんと話したいって言ってるんですけどってのを聞いて、
That's all there was, so one day I suddenly heard that Yazawa-san wanted to talk to Fukuyama-san.
俺なんかしたって思って。
I think I did something.
俺何?おでんスタジオのなんか機材かなんか壊した?俺。
What am I? Did I break some equipment or something in the oden studio?
ビビっちゃって。
I got scared.
いやいやいや。
No, no, no.
そしたら。
Then.
まあスケジュールがね。
Well, the schedule is...
とにかくボスは何をしたいかっていうのを教えてくれないと。
Anyway, you need to tell me what the boss wants to do.
要件は全然教えてくれなくて、とにかく話したいんだって話だけが来てるんですけど、どうしましょうかって話になって。
They haven't told me the requirements at all; all they've said is that they just want to talk, so it's become a discussion about what to do about that.
まあでも身に覚えはないけど、何か悪いことをしたのであればこれ謝るしかないと思って電話に出たわけですよ。
Well, even though I don't recall anything, if I've done something wrong, I thought I had no choice but to apologize, which is why I answered the phone.
そしたら矢沢さんが、いや福山さん今日はすいません本当にお時間いただいて。
Then, Yazawa-san said, "No, Fukuyama-san, I'm really sorry for taking your time today."
実は僕ね。
Actually, you know what?
いや、龍馬伝大好きになっちゃって。
No, I've come to really love the Ryoma Den.
いやーあれは良かったですよ。
Well, that was great!
ありがとうございます。
Thank you.
いやそれで僕今でも覚えてます。
Well, I still remember that even now.
矢沢さんがね覚えてらっしゃるかどうか分かんないですけど、今ちょうどね、あのまだ前半なんだけど見てて、前半見てて気づいたんだよね僕。
I’m not sure if Mr. Yazawa remembers, but right now, it's still the first half, and while watching it, I noticed something during the first half.
僕ね坂本龍馬大好きだったんだけど、今福山さんのファンになっちゃってんだよ。
I really loved Sakamoto Ryoma, but now I'm a fan of Fukuyama.
なんて嬉しいことを。
What a wonderful thing!
おっしゃってくださるんだと思って、これめちゃくちゃ嬉しかったんですよ。
I thought you were going to say that, and it made me really happy.
いやーそれとね、あの福山さん覚えてますか?あの時ね。
Well, and by the way, do you remember Mr. Fukuyama? At that time.
いやあの撮影がね、我々もあのライブやるような感覚で、出る役者さん全員がね、撮影でよーいさーっとやる時も、もうライブに参加してるような感覚で撮っていったんですよって言ったじゃないですか。
Well, during the filming, we felt like we were performing live, and all the actors, when we started filming, really felt like they were participating in a live performance, didn't we?
日本人はやんないんですよ。
Japanese people don't do that.
あれがいいんだろうね。
That must be good, huh?
そうだと思います。
I think so.
ジャブしてるような感じ。
It feels like I'm jabbing.
グルーヴしてるような感じ。
It feels like it's grooving.
本当にもうインプロビゼンションというか即興演奏のようなお芝居場で、だからこそ生まれたそのグルーヴですよね。
It's truly like improvisation, almost as if it's a spontaneous performance, and that's exactly where that groove comes from.
グルーヴだよね。
It's all about the groove, right?
思います。
I think so.
僕だからあそこに出てる俳優さんみんななんか個性ありましたよね。
Since it's me, all the actors appearing over there had their own unique personalities, didn't they?
そうですね。なのでそのお芝居をするというよりも、いかに幕末を生きるのかっていう監督の大友監督と言うんですけど、本当に優れた素晴らしい監督で。
That's right. So rather than just performing the play, it's about how to live during the Bakumatsu period, and the director, Mr. Otomo, is truly an outstanding and wonderful director.
幕末生中継というのがテーマだったんですよ。
The theme was a live broadcast from the Bakumatsu period.
いや、それぴったりかもしれない。
Yeah, that might be just right.
はい。
Yes.
幕末生中継。
Live broadcast from the Bakumatsu period.
はい。
Yes.
いや、それはね、ぴったりかもしれないね。よかったですよ。
Well, that might be perfect. I'm glad.
いや、ありがとうございます。
No, thank you.
ほんで、今日は会うことができました。
So, today we were able to meet.
そうなんです。
That's right.
いや、僕はですね、これは嬉しくて、対談相手として今回矢沢さんが僕のことをご指名くださったというお話を伺いまして、これはもういざ鎌倉だと。
No, I'm really happy about this. I've heard that Mr. Yazawa specifically chose me as his conversation partner this time, and I feel like it's time to rise to the occasion.
はい。
Yes.
もうこれはもう、何があっても行くんだということで、今日はご参加させていただいております。
Well, no matter what happens, I have made up my mind to go, so I am participating today.
ありがとうございます。
Thank you.
いえいえ。なので、まずちょっと慣れ初めというか、矢沢さんと僕の関係性は、実はそういう。
No, no. So, first of all, I'd like to talk a bit about how we got to know each other; my relationship with Yazawa is actually like that.
そういうことだったんですね。
I see, that's how it was.
お電話で話したことが一度あった。で、そのときに、いつかまたお会いしたいですね、お仕事でも、もしくはコロナ落ち続いたらご飯でも行きたいですね、みたいなお話させていただいて。
We had a conversation over the phone once. At that time, I mentioned that I would like to meet again someday, whether for work or, if the COVID situation calms down, to go out for a meal.
もちろんご飯はまた、良き機会で、ぜひ行かせていただきたいんですけど。
Of course, I'd like to go for a meal again when the opportunity arises.
今日はラジオということで、いろいろとお話しさせていただきたいと思います。よろしくお願いいたします。
Today, since it's a radio show, I would like to talk about various things. Thank you very much.
はい。
Yes.
まず、矢沢さん、僕のまるっと20歳上ぐらいですね。
First of all, Mr. Yazawa, you are about 20 years older than me.
20なの?
Are you 20?
僕、1969年生まれなんです。
I was born in 1969.
僕は69年。
I am 69 years old.
僕、69年です。
I'm from '69.
僕、49。あ、20歳だ。
I'm 49. Oh, I'm 20 years old.
20歳違う。
We are 20 years apart.
20歳違うの?
Are you 20 years apart?
そうなんです。
That's right.
そうです。
That's right.
20歳違う感じってどんな感じですか?
What does it feel like to be 20 years apart?
いや、だいたいね。
No, not really.
思ったより若いな、みたいな感じですか?
Do you mean something like, "You look younger than I expected"?
いや、もう、めちゃくちゃ、もう、やっぱ20かーって感じ。僕がもう、自分がいくつかは若い。
No, it's just a mess, really, I feel like I'm still 20. I feel like I'm still young.
72だからね、今。
Because I'm 72 now.
72歳ですよね。
You are 72 years old, right?
72で、だからもう、気づいたら、気づいたら、ここまでやると思ってなかったからね。
At 72, I didn't think I would get this far, so when I realized it, I was surprised.
そうですよね。いや、僕もそうです。
That's right. No, I'm the same way.
でしょ?
Right?
僕もそうです。
Me too.
もう、あの、まあ、何が何でも石にかじりついてでも、1曲ぐらいは売れてやるぞとは思います。
Well, no matter what, even if I have to bite into a rock, I think I'll manage to sell at least one song.
思ってましたけど、まあ、1曲売れたら、あとは、まあ、なんか、ちょっとこう、だんだん下がっていくのかな、みたいな。そんな感じで思ってました。
I was thinking that, well, if one song sells well, then after that, it might just gradually decline a bit, you know? That's the kind of feeling I had.
ねえ。
Hey.
僕は、あの、今年50周年なんですよ。
This year marks the 50th anniversary for me.
50周年。
50th anniversary.
で、まあ、50周年ってことは、キャロルデビューして50年歌ってんのね。
So, well, it means that it's been 50 years since Carol debuted and started singing.
そうですよね。
That's right.
人の前でね。
In front of people.
72年です。
It's 72 years.
72年かな。
Maybe in '72.
1980年。
1980.
ええ。出たのがね。
Yes. It came out.
ええ。
Yes.
いろいろ調べたんですね。この20歳の差を、いったいどういう時系列で僕は矢沢さんを知り、矢沢さんがどういう活躍を僕が思春期の頃してたのかなと。
You've done a lot of research, haven't you? I'm wondering about the timeline of how I got to know Yazawa-san, who is 20 years older than me, and what kind of activities Yazawa-san was involved in during my adolescence.
これ、14歳の頃の話ですけど、その14歳のプレイリストということで、僕が14歳の頃は、もう矢沢さん、ほぼアメリカでしたね。
This is a story from when I was 14 years old, and speaking of my playlist from when I was 14, I was already almost immersed in American music.
あ、そうなんだ。
Oh, I see.
wikipedia調べたら。
I looked it up on Wikipedia.
へえ。
Oh, really?
もう、あの時ね、僕、あの、今の東京ドームですか?
Well, at that time, I was wondering if it was the current Tokyo Dome?
はい。
Yes.
元は甲羅県球場と言ってたんですけど、これをやって、まあ、だからもう、ロックで矢沢が甲羅県球場をやったっていう、まあ、ことですよ。
Originally, it was called Korakuen Stadium, but after doing this, well, it's basically that Yazuwa did Korakuen Stadium in rock, you know.
終わった後にね、何やっていいか分かんなくなったんですよ。
After it was over, I didn't know what to do anymore.
ああ。
Ah.
これから俺、どうすりゃいいんだろうっていう。
I wonder what I should do from now on.
まあ、それは甲羅県、今の東京ドームですか?あれやって、俺はもう、まあ、生意気なこと言ったら、俺はロックで頂点行ったぞ、みたいな。
Well, is that in Shell Prefecture, the current Tokyo Dome? Doing that, I mean, if I say something a bit arrogant, it's like I've reached the pinnacle of rock, you know?
うん。
Yeah.
勝手に思ってるわけですけども、やって、さてって言うとき、何やっていいか全く見えなくなって。
I'm just thinking on my own, but when I try to do something, I completely lose sight of what I should do.
はい。
Yes.
やっぱり僕らって、ほら、なんかワクワクとかドキドキとか、刺激とか、取ってやるとか、まあ、特に僕はそういうことは平気で言ってきた方だからね。
After all, we, you know, have that sense of excitement or thrill, stimulation, or even the urge to take things on. Well, especially for me, I've been the type to say those kinds of things without any hesitation.
そういうものがないと、何していいか分かんないってとこに、意外と行っちゃって。
If there isn’t something like that, I surprisingly end up in a place where I don’t know what to do.
うん。
Yeah.
なんか分からないけど、外行こう。
I don't really know why, but let's go outside.
うん。
Yeah.
日本飛び出そう。
Let's jump out of Japan.
それをひょっとしたら、どこだっていいのかもしれないけど、僕はまあ、ロサンゼルス。
Maybe it doesn't really matter where, but for me, well, Los Angeles.
ロサンゼルスに行こうってことで、まあ、そっち行きました。
We decided to go to Los Angeles, so I went over there.
はい。
Yes.
行ってよかったね。
I'm glad you went.
よかったですか。
Was that good?
うん。
Yeah.
やっぱり、本場のロックの街、国、まあ、めちゃめちゃいろんなやつがいて。
After all, in a city and country known for rock music, there are all sorts of different people.
はい。
Yes.
日本で今、俺はヤサワだ、どうだ、やったぞって言って、そんなのゴロゴロいる。
Right now in Japan, I'm Yasawa, how about that? I did it, and there are plenty of people like that.
なんだよ、いくらでもいいんじゃん、みたいな。
What's the deal? It can be as much as you want, right?
はい。
Yes.
むしろ、なんか、まだまだ入り口、みたいな感じ。
Rather, it feels like we're just at the beginning.
うん。
Yeah.
それで、おい。
So, hey.
おい、かっこつけてる場合じゃない、しょってる場合でもなきゃ、酔ってる場合じゃないよ、と。
Hey, this isn't the time to be showing off, or to be carrying anything, or even to be drunk.
うん。
Yeah.
まだまだ、世界にはすごいのがいるぞ、と。
There are still amazing things in the world.
うん。
Yeah.
まだまだ、お前なんか入り口も行ってないし、ってことを、目の当たりにしたですよね。
You still haven't even reached the entrance, and that's something you've witnessed firsthand, right?
ただ、僕の20歳上なので、おそらくヤサワさんが30半ば、33、45ぐらいの頃ですかね、たぶんそれが。
However, since he is 20 years older than me, it's probably around the time when Yasawa-san was in his mid-30s, maybe around 33 to 45.
ちなみにヤサワさん、14歳の頃って、何されてました?
By the way, Yasawa-san, what were you doing when you were 14 years old?
僕だって、14っつったら、広島にいたでしょ。
I was in Hiroshima when I was 14, you know.
そうですよね。
That's right.
広島で、まだ中学?
Are you still in junior high school in Hiroshima?
その頃、ギターですか?ベースですか?最初からベースですか?
At that time, was it guitar? Was it bass? Was it bass from the very beginning?
だって、僕、14ぐらいの時は、まだバンドやろうとか、歌手やろうと思ってなかったんじゃないかな。
Well, I don't think I was thinking about starting a band or becoming a singer when I was around 14.
ああ、そうでした。
Ah, that's right.
まだ、だから、僕の成り上がりって本のなんかにも出てくるけど、14ぐらいの時いったら、中学何年生?
Well, that's why it comes up in my book about rising to success, but when I was around 14, what year of middle school was I in?
中2っすね。
It's the second year of junior high, huh?
中2?
Eighth grade?
はい。
Yes.
中2だったら?
If it's when I was in the second year of middle school?
中2だったらね、まだ、9500万人のポピュラーリクエストとかいうラジオがあったんですよ。
When I was in second year of junior high, there was a radio show called "Popular Requests of 95 million people."
小島雅夫とかね。ああいうのを聴いて、わあ、いいなとかね。何々の曲いいな、何々の曲いいな、今週は何、3位?前は4位だったのに1つ上がったねとか、そんなリスナーだったんですよ。
For example, Masao Kojima. Listening to that kind of music made me go, "Wow, that's nice." Like, "This song is good, that song is good." I was the type of listener who would think, "What’s this week? 3rd place? It was 4th before, so it went up one rank."
まだ歌っても?
Can I still sing?
歌ってもいない。リスナーだったと思う。
I don't think I was singing. I believe I was a listener.
はい。
Yes.
それで僕は正直言って、14歳ぐらいだったらおぼろげながら、
So, to be honest, when I was around 14 years old, vaguely,
はい。
Yes.
はい。将来何するお前っていうのがあるじゃないですか。
Yes. There's always the question of what you'll do in the future, right?
どんなことやろうと思ってらっしゃいました?
What were you thinking of doing?
はっきり言うと、あの時本にも書いてますけど、ちょうど僕は14ぐらいの時に日本も車がだんだん、だんだん、車の時代になってくるわけですよ。
To put it clearly, as I wrote in my book at that time, I was around 14 years old when Japan was gradually entering the era of automobiles.
はい。
Yes.
ね。今の人から見たら車ってもう、逆に今もう車なんか欲しくないよっていうぐらいの時代になってきてるわけだけども、今の若者がね、僕らの時はもう車の時代が来るぞ、来るぞ、来るぞってわーっと来てるから、よし。
You know, from the perspective of today's people, it's almost become a time when they don't even want cars anymore. However, for the young people today, back in our time, it felt like the era of cars was coming, it was coming, it was coming, and we were all excited about it. Alright.
俺は板金婚になろうと思いました。
I thought I would become a sheet metal wedding.
あー。
Ah.
板金だったらあれだと塗装とか、ああいうこと、車の修理。あっちで絶対に工場一軒持てるぐらいの男になろうみたいな。
If it's sheet metal work, then there's painting and things like that, car repairs. It's like wanting to become the kind of man who can definitely own a factory over there.
はいはいはい。
Yes, yes, yes.
その、絶対そこでも俺はなんかできないかなっていう、そういうのも矢沢の癖みたいなもんだから。
Well, it's just one of Yazawa's habits to think that maybe I can do something there as well.
周りの先輩が板金やられてたりとかしたんですか?
Did the seniors around you work in sheet metal or something like that?
いや、なかったですね。
No, there wasn't.
あ、そうですか。
Oh, is that so?
僕は勝手に思ったの。
I just thought so on my own.
あ、そうですか。
Oh, is that so?
だからそのぐらい世の中は、車の時代が通ってた。
That's why, for that kind of reason, the world was in the age of cars.
あー。
Ah.
だからそのぐらい世の中は、車の時代が通ってた。
That's why, to that extent, the world was in the age of cars.
あー。
Ah.
将来みたいな。
Like the future.
じゃあ板金婚をやるっていうのは新しい仕事だったんですか?
So, was doing sheet metal work a new job for you?
ですね。
That's right.
あー。
Ah.
まったく僕に関わってたものじゃないし。
It has nothing to do with me at all.
はいはいはい。
Yes, yes, yes.
ただ漠然と、車の時代がものすごい勢いで今来てるから。
It's just that, in a vague sense, the era of cars is coming at an astonishing pace right now.
はいはいはい。
Yes, yes, yes.
当然だったら、これからの時代は板金塗装のあの時代に来るんじゃないのって。
Of course, I think the era of sheet metal painting will come in this new age.
あー。
Ah.
その、お金が欲しい、儲けたいっていう感覚ってのが14歳の頃もあったんですか?もう既に。
Did you already have that sense of wanting money and wanting to make a profit when you were 14?
僕はね、あの頃からだって。
I've been that way since back then.
うん。
Yeah.
絶対自分なりに小さいながらも、店一軒、工場一軒持てるぐらいに頑張ろうって言うから、必ずそこには、まあ、工場心と言ったらかっこいいけど、やっぱりお金、絶対手に握るような部分になりたいっていうのは、スケールこそ違うけど、絶対あったんじゃないかな。
"I definitely want to work hard enough to own at least a small shop or a factory in my own way, so I think there was always a part of me that wanted to have money to hold onto, even if the scale is different, referring to that factory mindset sounds cool."
はいはいはい。
Yes, yes, yes.
それが急に、何かの時に。
Suddenly, at some moment.
うん。
Yeah.
ちょうどベンチャーズが来て、グループサーンズが来て。
The Ventures just came, and Group Sounds came too.
うんうん。
Uh-huh.
みんながエレキギターを持って、僕が16ぐらいから、あとそっから2年後ぐらいに一気に始まるんだよね。
Everyone started playing electric guitars, and I began around the age of 16, and then it really took off about two years later.
音楽が。
Music.
音楽的なものが世の中的に、エレキのブームが来る、ベンチャーズが来る、何、グループサーンズが来る、何かにいって、決定的なのはビートルズです。
Musical trends in the world, there would be a boom in electric music, The Ventures would come, and groups like The Surfaris would emerge; ultimately, the decisive factor is The Beatles.
はいはい。
Yes, yes.
で、それが15から16になるか、その辺じゃないですか、僕は。
Well, isn't it around 15 to 16, for me?
うん。
Yeah.
だから、この14歳がバンキンコになるんだから。
So, this 14-year-old is going to become a bank clerk.
うん。
Yeah.
何か1年半後ぐらいに、音楽やるんだ、絶対音楽やるんだ、の方に行っちゃうんですね、だんだんだんだん。
In about a year and a half, I'm definitely going to get into music, it's gradually heading that way.
バンキンだったけど、音楽。
It was a challenge, but music.
ということはあれですかね、もし漫画漫画一矢沢さんが今の、もしくはちょっと前ぐらいの時代に14歳だったら、IT。
Does that mean, if the manga artist Ichiyazawa was 14 years old in the present or a little while ago, it would be IT?
かもしんないね。
It might be.
世の中の時代を変える、革命的なムーブメントに反応してらっしゃったわけじゃないですか、その当時も。
You were responding to a revolutionary movement that changed the times of the world, weren't you, even back then?
結局だから、その時代、その時代で何かキラッとさせたかってのが、必ずあるんだよね。そのエイジによっては。僕はそうだった、バンキンだって。それからちょっとしたら音楽がものすごい勢いで上がってくる、バンドだとか。
In the end, there is always something that shines in each era. It depends on the age. I was like that too; I was in the punk scene. Then shortly after, music really started to rise rapidly, like bands and such.
はいはいはい。
Yes, yes, yes.
それ、ITが来て。これから宇宙が来るのか。
So, IT has arrived. Is space coming next?
はいはいはい。
Yes, yes, yes.
宇宙産業が来るのか、なんか。その時に感じ方でしょ?
Is the space industry coming or something? It's all about how we feel about it at that time, right?
そうですね。
That's right.
すごくキラーッと感じるのか、えーってことで、ぱーっと自分の目の前から流れ去っていく。
It feels really killer, and then it just flows away from right in front of my eyes.
そうですね。
That's right.
ええーってことで、ぱーっと自分の目の前から流れ去っていく。
Well then, it flows away from right in front of my eyes.
あと自分の目の前から流れ去っていくのかの差だよね
It's the difference between flowing away right in front of your eyes.
樋口 じゃあその時代のムーブメントに対して
Higuchi, then regarding the movements of that era...
反応してらっしゃったんですね
You were responding, weren't you?
その本能的に
That instinctively.
深井 いいこと言うね
Deep Well, you say good things.
樋口 ありがとうございます
Higuchi, thank you.
深井 僕も今思ったの
Fukai: I just thought about that too.
なんで俺板金こうだったのかなと思ったら
I wondered why my metalworking was like this.
板金塗装って今でこそ車も当たり前だからってことで
"Now that car body painting is common, it's because of that."
もう全然そんなもんで
It's not like that at all anymore.
これ言ったら今板金やってる人に怒られちゃうか
If I say this, will the people doing sheet metal work get angry at me?
僕が思った時に
When I thought about it
時代が来たぞって言うのとは違うよね
It's different from saying the time has come.
板金当たり前みたいなことだけど
It's something that seems obvious, like sheet metal work.
僕はなんで自分が板金こうあの時になろうと思ったか
I wonder why I decided to become a sheet metal worker at that time.
僕なりの時代のものすごいうねりだったんじゃない
It was my own intense wave of the times, wasn’t it?
樋口 そうですね
Higuchi: That's right.
深井 あの時のね
Fukiai, that time.
それが勝手なもんで
That's just how it is.
エレキの時代が来てバンドの時代が来て
The era of electric music has come, and the era of bands has come.
SBなぁはぁってビートルズが来た途端に
As soon as the Beatles arrived, it was like, "SB, huh?"
一気にこれなぁって変わるんだから
It can change all at once, you know.
単純と言えば単純だよね
It's simple, if you put it that way.
樋口 いやでもその
Higuchi: Well, but...
いわゆる歴史ですよね
It's what you call history, isn't it?
世の中地球が地球というか
The world is, in a sense, the Earth itself.
世界が1800年代後半に
The world in the late 1800s.
イギリスから産業革命が始まって
The Industrial Revolution began in England.
飛躍的に発展していったわけですよね
It developed dramatically, didn't it?
経済が
The economy
ちょうどその頃日本も幕末を迎え
Around that time, Japan was also entering the Bakumatsu period.
まさに坂本龍馬の時代に
In the era of Sakamoto Ryoma.
250年間続いた太平の世
The era of peace that lasted for 250 years.
徳川の世が変わるわけですよね
The Tokugawa era is changing, isn't it?
様々な
Various
外国からの外圧を受け
Under pressure from foreign influences.
変わっていく
Changing.
そこから一気に日本が
From there, Japan rapidly...
国際社会の仲間入りをしよう
Let's join the international community.
国際社会と交流していこうという時
When we aim to engage with the international community.
様々なうねりが起こって
Various waves are occurring.
矢沢さん今72歳で
Mr. Yazawa is now 72 years old.
1949年生まれ
Born in 1949.
戦後ですよねまさにね
It's post-war, isn't it?
第2次大戦の直後の広島
Hiroshima immediately after World War II.
僕も長崎なので
I'm also from Nagasaki.
よく分かります
I understand well.
おそらく大変な時代
Perhaps a difficult era.
だったと思います
I think it was.
まさにその今戦争起こってますけれども
Right now, a war is indeed happening.
本当に
Really.
なんとか日本がここからゼロから頑張らなきゃって
Somehow, Japan has to start from zero and do its best.
まだ4年しか経ってない
It's only been four years.
僕はね
I am you.
福山さんの時はもうそんなん分かんないわね
I can't understand that in Fukuyama's case anymore.
そうですね
That's right.
僕はもうだいぶ変わってます
I have changed quite a bit already.
日本が豊かになってきてる時だからね
Because Japan is becoming more prosperous now.
でもその戦後の大変な中で生まれた時代に
But in the difficult era that emerged after the war,
おそらく何か矢沢さんの感受性が
Perhaps something about Yazawa's sensitivity...
その大変な中で育まれ
Nurtured amidst those hardships.
すさまじくうねりのある時代に
In an incredibly turbulent era.
ある時代そのものを
An era itself.
時代そのものをなんかエンターテイメントとして
Turning the era itself into some kind of entertainment.
楽しむというか
It's more about enjoyment.
そこに反応する
React to that.
だから自分自身も
So I myself too
いや板金かな
No, I think it's sheet metal.
これでいけるぜワクワクするぜ
This is going to work, I'm so excited!
いやビートルズが来た
No, the Beatles have come.
ビートルズだワクワクする
It's the Beatles, I'm so excited!
時代そのものをこう
This is how the era itself is.
エンターテイメントとして楽しみながら
While enjoying it as entertainment.
消化しながら
While digesting
ずっとやってこられたのかななんて
I wonder if I've been able to keep doing this all along.
今思いましたね
I just thought about it.
僕はたまに最近思うことあるんだけどね
I've been thinking about something lately from time to time.
はい
Yes
僕は段階の世代で
I am from the baby boomer generation.
だから皆さん今
So everyone, right now...
今いろんな人はね
Right now, various people are...
段階の世代の人に作ってもらいましたと
I had someone from the generation of stages make it for me.
日本のこの高度成長から何から
Japan's rapid economic growth and so on.
段階の世代が作って頑張ってきたんだって
The generations of the stages have created it and have been working hard.
ほぼ間違ってない
Almost not wrong.
けど最近僕ちょっと考え方変えてるんですよ
But recently I've been changing my way of thinking a bit.
いやいや一つ違うところがあるなと思うね
No, no, I think there's one difference.
どの世代であろうと
No matter the generation.
あの戦後4年後に生まれた
I was born four years after the war.
昭和24年の僕段階の世代
The generation of my level in Showa 24.
4年ですよまだ
It's been four years, you know.
でもねだからみんな食べるもんもあまりないし
But you see, there isn't much for everyone to eat.
どうやってこれから日本再編して
How will we reorganize Japan from now on?
食っていくんだっていう時の
When it comes to making a living.
まだ子供で
Still a child.
その時は生まれたばっかりですけど
At that time, I had just been born.
やがてそれから10年経ったとしても
Even if ten years have passed since then.
だからね僕は何を言いたいかったら
So what I wanted to say is...
段階の世代が頑張ってきたから
Because the generations have worked hard.
今日の日本がある
Today’s Japan exists.
そうかもしれない
That might be true.
その通りかもしれないが
That may be true, but...
どんな時も
At all times.
まあどうかな
Well, I wonder.
やる人はやるし
Those who do it, do it.
やってない奴はやってなかったのが
Those who are not doing it haven't done it.
あまりにもなかったから
Because there was too much of a lack.
変わってないんじゃないかと思うねいつも
I always think that nothing has changed.
だからこれからさ
So from now on
今のITの時代
The current era of IT.
これからも宇宙の時代
The era of space will continue from now on.
どの時代が来ても
No matter what era comes.
やっぱりモワッとしてる人は
After all, people who are a bit moody...
モワッとしてるし
It's stuffy.
もうやっぱり何かないか
Is there really nothing else?
何かないかってことで
"Is there something?"
探してる人間は探してるし
Those who are looking are searching.
その繰り返し
That repetition.
いろんな人がいるからこれはまた面白いのかもしれないし
There are various people, so this might be interesting again.
そうかなと思います
I think that might be the case.
それでずっと
Since then, all along.
今幕末の話から来たんだけど
I just came from a story set in the late Edo period.
すいません
Excuse me.
本当にまあ
Well, really.
今日はね
Today, you know.
福山さんは幕末の話から行かなきゃダメですよ
Mr. Fukuyama, we have to start with the stories from the late Edo period.
やっぱり坂本龍馬だもん
After all, it's Sakamoto Ryoma.
でも僕にとって坂本龍馬さんと矢沢彦さんって
But for me, Ryoma Sakamoto and Hikozaemon Yazawa are...
ほぼ同じ立ち位置の並びですけどね
It's almost the same lineup in terms of positioning.
もはや
No longer
とんでもない
Unthinkable.
もはや同じ立ち位置なんで
We're already in the same position.
矢沢さんが龍馬さん好きで
Mr. Yazawa likes Mr. Ryoma.
龍馬さんファンだっていうのを聞いた時は
When I heard that you are a fan of Ryoma,
ちょっとびっくりしましたね
I was a bit surprised.
僕はね
I am, you know.
だって
Because.
坂本龍馬が
Sakamoto Ryoma is
だったらタイガードラマでも
Then how about a taiga drama?
なんでもそうじゃないですか
Isn't that the case with everything?
定期的に来てるんやね
You've been coming regularly, huh?
誰の主役の坂本龍馬のタイガードラマ
The tiger drama starring Sakamoto Ryoma, the protagonist of someone.
またしばらくたら
See you again after a while.
必ずあれになるぐらいに
Make sure it becomes that much.
やっぱ男はね
After all, men are...
ああいうのに
To that kind of thing.
ちょっと来るんですよ
I'll be there in a moment.
来なければいけない
You must come.
来なければいけないと
You have to come.
僕もだからそんな感じ
I'm feeling the same way, too.
もうね漏れずに来たんですよ
I've already come without fail.
いやーそれは本当に
Well, that's really...
来て今日の一番最初の話で
Come and let's start with the very first story of today.
なぜ福山さんを
Why Mr. Fukuyama?
はい
Yes
思ったかっていう最初のあれですよ
It's the first thing I thought about.
僕なんてもう
I'm nothing but...
福山さんと話したいと
I want to talk to Fukuyama.
そこに繋がるわけですよね
That's where it connects, right?
いや俺
No, I.
そのねやっぱり
Well, you see...
チャーミングさですよやっぱり
It's definitely the charm, after all.
矢沢さん
Mr. Yazawa
改めて思いましたけど
I thought about it again.
なんで矢沢英吉が
Why is Eikichi Yazawa...
矢沢英吉としてこの
As Eikichi Yazawa this
エンターテイメント50年間
50 Years of Entertainment
もちろんそれは音楽的に
Of course, that is musically.
唯一無二の歌声であり
It is a unique and unmatched singing voice.
作曲
Composition
ソングライティングであり
It is songwriting.
ライブパフォーマンスであり
It is a live performance.
そう様々あるけれども
There are many different things, but...
やっぱりその総合
As I thought, that overall...
総合勝者
Overall winner
矢沢英吉と言っていいのか
Can I say it's Eikichi Yazawa?
どうか分かりませんけれども
I'm not sure, but...
そのトータルのいろんなこと
All those various things in total.
やられてるビジネスも
Businesses that are being affected.
やられてるんだけども
I'm being attacked, though.
一番の魅力はそのチャーム
The biggest charm is its charm.
チャームじゃないチャームって
It's a charm that's not a charm.
もうごめんなさい
I'm sorry already.
あの言葉悪いんですけど
I don't mean to be rude, but...
可愛らしさなんじゃないかな
I think it's cuteness.
と思っちゃいますね
I can't help but think that.
ありがとうございます
Thank you.
あのー
Um...
僕は
I am
これ客観的に別に
This is objectively different.
見てるわけじゃないんですけど
It's not that I’m watching you, though.
ある時自分のことをね
At one time, about myself...
あれ
Huh?
俺って
I'm me.
へえそういうやつなんだ
Oh, so that's how it is.
と思ったことあるの
I've thought about it.
それどういうことかって言ったら
What do you mean by that?
僕ってどういうやつなんだ
What kind of person am I?
これ皆さん自分のこと思うでしょ
Everyone thinks about themselves, right?
自分ってどういうやつだって
What kind of person am I?
僕はアメリカでの出来事で
I had an experience in America.
すごく自分が分かったことがあるんですよ
I've discovered something really important about myself.
それは
That is
エンジニアの
Engineer’s
クリス・ロード・アレジーという人と
A person named Chris Lord-Alge.
出会った時の話になるんですけど
It's about the time we met.
他でも
Elsewhere.
これ言ったことあるんですけど
I’ve said this before, but...
本当に僕初めて会った時に
When I really met you for the first time,
これあの世界的なエンジニアです
This is a world-renowned engineer.
クリス・ロード・アレジー
Chris Lord-Alge
で
So, then.
いやさあ
Well, you see...
この人は音いいよ
This person has good sound.
一回仕事やったなって
I thought I did the job once.
人から紹介されて
Introduced by someone.
僕アポイント取って
I'll make an appointment.
初めて会いました
I met you for the first time.
ちょうど僕のアルバムで言えば
Just to refer to my album.
一番最初やったのが
What I did first was
サブウェイエクスプレスか
Subway Express, huh?
それで
So then
行った時に
When I went.
第一印象ってあるじゃない
You know how there's first impressions?
そしたら
Then.
決して
Never
クリスは
Chris is
王兵な感じしてるわけでも
It's not like I'm feeling a warrior vibe or anything.
何でも
Anything
そういうタイプよ
That's the type I am.
彼は全然普通だと思います
I think he is completely normal.
でも僕はなんか
But I feel like...
初対面の時に
At the time of our first meeting.
なんかこの人
Something about this person.
俺
Me
肌が合わねえな
We just don't click.
なんか雰囲気が
The atmosphere is somewhat...
どこがと言われても
Even if you ask me where.
答えようがないんだけど
I can't answer that.
雰囲気が肌合わねえな
The atmosphere doesn't suit me.
はあ
Sigh.
何
What
10日くらい
About 10 days.
こいつと一緒に
With this guy.
今からやるわけ
I'm going to do it now.
俺嫌だなと思いながら
While thinking I don't want to.
はいナイスミーチュー
Yes, nice to meet you.
って言ったら
If you say that...
向こうが
Over there.
おーやだ
Oh no!
OK
OK
じゃあ3時間で
Then in three hours.
3時間後に帰ってきて
Come back in three hours.
だいたいの音を
Most of the sounds
まとめとくから
I'll summarize it for you.
それでまた
So, again...
意見聞かせて
Let me hear your opinion.
っていう
It means "I mean" or "that's what I say."
まあミックスだからね
Well, it's a mix after all.
彼の世界だから
Because it's his world.
OKって言って
Say "OK."
3時間
3 hours
あー嫌だな
Ah, I don't like that.
10日間また
Another 10 days.
こいつと一緒かよ
Is it with this guy?
帰ってきました
I have returned.
帰ってきて
Come back.
おーやだ
Oh no!
だいたいできたから
It's mostly done now.
ちょっと聞いてみて
Give it a try and ask.
一発目の音
First sound.
パッて聞いた時に
When I heard it suddenly
あのドラムとスネア
That drum and snare.
スネアとベースと
Snare and bass.
鳴り方
How it sounds
僕ね
I, you know.
やべ
Oh no!
音が
Sound is
音がいいとは知ってたけど
I knew the sound was good, but...
こんなにかっこいいのかと思う
I wonder if it's this cool.
これはもう
This is already...
聞かなきゃ分かんない
If you don't ask, you won't understand.
僕その瞬間に
In that moment, I...
もう
Already
このクリスのことが
About this Chris.
好きなんだね
You like it, huh?
もうすごい好きなのよ
I really like you a lot.
大好きな
I love you.
もうだから
That's why.
もう態度が
The attitude is already...
雰囲気がどうでもいいの
I don't care about the atmosphere.
こいつかっこいいよ
This guy is cool.
だから僕
So I...
その時に
At that time.
自分のこと分かった
I understood myself.
あっ
Ah.
俺はどういうやつなのか
What kind of person am I?
あっ
Ah
俺結構右派なんだ
I'm pretty right-wing.
と思った
I thought.
なるほど
I see.
あっ
Ah.
でね
So then
それが
That is.
多分ひょっとしたら
Maybe, perhaps.
僕押し上げてるんだと思う
I think I'm pushing up.
いやいや
No, no.
そうだと思います
I think so.
だからなんかいいもの見るでしょ
So you see something good, right?
はい
Yes
お芝居でも何でも見た時に
When I see a play or anything like that,
かっこいいの
It's cool.
ドンと来るもん見た時
When I saw something that hits hard.
僕だってステージ見ながら
I, too, while watching the stage
もう
Already
その光の出る
The one that emits light.
あっちを
Over there.
後ろをキャラキャラキャラキャラ
Cackling from behind.
見てるもんね
I'm watching, you know.
はい
Yes
で
So
どういう仕組みになってるわけ
What kind of mechanism does it have?
えっ
Huh?
斜めからフラッシング
Flashing from an angle.
あっ
Ah.
それでこういう効果出るわけ
That's why this kind of effect occurs.
言ったら
If you say so.
必ずおいしいとこ
Definitely the delicious part.
もうパクってるもんね
You're already copying it, aren't you?
僕
I
ふふふ
Hehe.
いや
No.
そうですよね
That's right.
なので
So,
やっぱり
As I thought.
認めるとか
To acknowledge or something like that.
好きになるっていうのは
To fall in love means...
怖いっていう部分も
The part that is scary too.
あるんだと思うんですよ
I think there is.
それは
That is.
怖いってどういうことかっていうと
What it means to be scared is...
影響されすぎて
Overly influenced.
自分が
Myself.
取り込まれてしまう
It will be absorbed.
その魅力にと
To that charm
で
So, …
影響されすぎて
Too influenced.
えー
Ehh?
自分の本来やりたかったことから
From what I originally wanted to do.
ブレてしまう
It becomes blurry.
って思うんだけど
I think that's the case.
矢沢さんの場合は
In Mr. Yazawa's case
いいじゃん
That's good.
と思った
I thought so.
素直にそう思った
I honestly thought that.
となると
Then,
今パクるとおっしゃいましたけど
You said you're going to steal it now, didn't you?
じゃあ使おう
Then let's use it.
使える
I can use it.
って
"That" or "You know" (depending on context).
どんどん自分の
Keep going with yourself.
ケツに欠かして
"Don't leave it out of your butt."
いかれるんですね
You're going, huh?
多分ね
Maybe.
ひょっとしたら
Maybe.
芸術でも
Even in art.
なんでも
Anything.
はい
Yes
あの
Um...
パクるって言葉は
The word "to steal" or "to copy"
悪いけどね
I'm sorry, but...
言葉は悪い
The words are harsh.
パクるって言葉は
The word "to steal" is
よく使っちゃいけない
You shouldn't use it often.
言葉だね
It's a word.
まあまあまあ
Well, well, well.
だけど
But
エッセンス取り入れる
Incorporate the essence.
影響を受けてから
Since being influenced
進化したんじゃないかな
I think it has evolved.
いやいや
No, no.
そうです
That's right.
なんでも
Anything
技術でも
Even in technology.
テクノロジーだろう
It must be technology.
なんでも
Anything
美術でも
Even in art.
なんでも
Anything.
はい
Yes
こう
Like this
すげえと思った時に
When I thought it was amazing.
必ず
Absolutely.
なんてすごいんだろう
How amazing it is!
という気持ちが
that feeling is
必ずどこか自分も
"I must also be somewhere."
あれに負けないものを
Something that won't lose to that.
取り入れられないかな
I wonder if it can be incorporated.
って言った時に
When I said that,
影響受けてんじゃないの
Aren't you being influenced?
はい
Yes
受けて
Receive it.
プラスアルファを
Plus alpha.
そこに乗っけて
Put it there.
はい
Yes
またもう一段上のものができる
I can create something even higher up.
はい
Yes
それを見た人がまた
Someone who saw that again
すげえと思って
I think it's amazing.
また取り入れながら
While incorporating it again.
もう一段すごいもの作る
I will create something even more amazing.
はい
Yes
それをだんだんだんだん
Little by little.
上がって上がって上がって
Come up, come up, come up.
いった時に
When I went there
文明ここまで来たんじゃないの
Haven't we come this far in civilization?
はい
Yes.
と
and
昔の僕だから
Because it's the old me.
大事なことは
The important thing is
憧れる気持ち
Feelings of admiration.
ミーハーな気持ちは
The feeling of being a trend follower.
いい部分でのミーハーっていうのは
Being a superficial fan in good parts is...
発展させるんじゃないですか
Aren't you going to develop it?
そうですよね
That's right, isn't it?
自分
Myself
ね
Okay.
ミーハー心の
Fleeting curiosity.
使い方ですよね
It's how to use it, right?
ですよね
That's right, isn't it?
はい
Yes
僕そう思うけどね
I think so too.
うん
Yeah.
いやそこに
No, over there.
気づかれたのは
I was noticed.
どれくらいだったんですか
How long has it been?
その初めてアメリカに行った
That was my first time going to America.
やっぱり
After all
クリスに会った時も思ったし
I thought so when I met Chris too.
それがしばらくして
After a while, that...
俺って
I'm me.
あの
Um…
世間の人たちが
People in the world
あの
Um...
なんていうの
What do you call it?
自分っていうものを
What it means to be oneself.
はっきり思ってる人だとか
Someone who has clear thoughts.
頑固だとか
Stubborn, or something like that.
自分らしさじゃなきゃ
If it’s not true to myself.
ダメだとか
That's not good, or something like that.
そういう風に
In that way.
ばっかり
Only/just.
矢沢を見てるかもしれんけど
You might be watching Yazawa.
だけど
But
すごく
Really
もっとなんかこう
I want something more like this.
自分が楽しくしたいとか
"I want to have fun myself."
で
So, then
お客側から見た時に
From the customer's perspective
どういうことしたら
What do you mean by that?
お客は
The customer is
ストレートに感じるんだろうか
I wonder if it feels straightforward.
ってことを
That means...
いつも考えていたい
I always want to think.
とか
and so on
だから僕は
So I...
綺麗なものには
Beautiful things have
ものすごい綺麗と
Incredibly beautiful.
思える自分で
As I can imagine myself.
いつまでもいたいと思う
I want to stay forever.
そんな感じですよ
That's how it is.
だからその
So, that means...
いつまでも綺麗なものは
There is nothing beautiful that lasts forever.
綺麗で
Pretty and
感じていたいと
"I want to feel."
僕の
My
昔から知ってる不安は
The anxiety I've known for a long time is
本当に
Really.
エイジャンってそうなの
Is that how it is with Aijian?
ってちょっと
"Wait a minute."
びっくりするかもしれないけど
You might be surprised, but...
本当は
The truth is...
矢沢の方が
Yazawa is better.
全然感じてるんですよ
I'm feeling it completely.
そういうこと
That's how it is.
素直に
Honestly
でもイメージは
But the image is
そっちの方に
Over there.
あまりないじゃないですか
Isn't that not very common?
矢沢はどう
How is Yazawa?
みたいな感じをね
It feels something like that.
突き進んでらっしゃる
You are pushing forward.
っていう風なイメージも
That kind of image as well.
あるとは思いますけど
I think there is
ただ
Just
どうですかね
How is it?
ご自身で
On your own.
そういった
Such things
綺麗なものを
Beautiful things
探しに行くタイプなんですか
Are you the type to go looking for it?
それとも
Or
いつの間にか
Before I knew it
そういう生き方をしてる
I live my life that way.
そういう感性で生きてると
Living with that kind of sensibility...
もう
Already
集まってくるのか
Are they gathering together?
探しに行くのか
Are you going to look for it?
僕はやっぱり
I knew it.
あれだね
That's it, isn't it?
探しに行きますね
I will go look for it.
探しに行くのか
Are you going to look for it?
だから探しに行ってるよ
That's why I'm going to look for it.
行ってるように見えないんですよ
It doesn't look like you're going.
行ってるように見えないでしょ
It doesn't look like I'm going, does it?
矢沢ってどんと座って
Yazawa, sit down firmly.
たまっていう風に
Like "tama".
生意気な態度で
With a cocky attitude.
言っても
Even if I say so
成り立ってるように見えてるけど
It looks like it's holding together, but...
そんな世の中甘くないから
The world isn't that sweet.
多分
Maybe
ここの扉開けたら
If you open this door...
それが手に入るかもしんない
I might be able to get that.
見えるかもしんないって言ったら
If I said you might be able to see it...
その扉開けに行きますね
I'll go open that door.
僕はどっちかって言ったら
I'd say I'm more of a...
その予感とか感覚っていうのは
That instinct or feeling is
もう自分でキャッチできるものが
I can catch things on my own now.
それがキャッチできるものもあれば
There are things that can catch that.
できないものもある
There are things that cannot be done.
やっぱり縁もあるし
After all, we have a connection.
やっぱり縁じゃないです
It's not a connection after all.
やっぱり自分が本当に
After all, I really...
それが手に入るとかいうものは
That is something that can be obtained.
出会いも縁もありますから
There are also encounters and connections.
手に入らないもの
Things that cannot be obtained.
出会えないものは
Things that cannot be met
やっぱり縁がなかったんですよ
I guess we just had no connection after all.
だけどなるべく縁が入るように
But I want to make sure that a connection is made as much as possible.
やっぱり僕の方からも
After all, I guess I should also...
やっぱり努力しないと
You have to make an effort after all.
そこに行かないと
I have to go there.
入らないなっていうのは
It means "I can't fit in."
僕はありますので
I have it.
僕がなんでこんな言い方するかって言ったら
The reason I'm speaking like this is because...
多分僕をずっと見てくれてた不安の人たちは
Maybe the people who have always been watching me are anxious.
矢沢ってのはどんと構えて
Yazawa stands firm and composed.
よろしくって言ったら
When I said "nice to meet you"
なんでも動いてるんじゃないかなと思ってる
I think everything is moving, somehow.
それは違うよって今言ってるんですよ
I'm telling you that it's not true.
そんな甘くないから
It's not that easy.
だから自分でこれ言うからおかしいんですけど
So it's funny that I'm saying this myself, but...
本当は細かいところがものすごくある人間なのかもしれない
Perhaps deep down, I am a person who pays a lot of attention to detail.
それはそうですね
That's true.
そうですね
That's right.
細かくないとやっぱり
It has to be detailed, after all.
やっぱりその漫画とか映画にあるように
As expected, like in those manga or movies.
どんと構えてよろしくって言ったら手に入ったって
When I said to take it easy, I got it.
それは嘘だからということを言いたいわけですよ
What I want to say is that it's a lie.
僕もめちゃくちゃ細かいです
I'm also really meticulous.
細かいよ
It's detailed.
細かいって
It's detailed.
福山さんじゃないのよ
It's not Mr. Fukuyama.
僕らがってこと
It's about us.
僕らねこうやってやっぱりステージやって
We really perform on stage like this, after all.
福山さん次のステージ
Mr. Fukuyama, the next stage.
この間コロナで流れてまたやらなきゃいけないこと
The other day it got postponed because of COVID, and now there are things I have to do again.
いっぱいあるじゃない
There are a lot, aren't there?
いっぱいあります
There are a lot.
それを今度は
This time, that...
倍返しだいっていうのを思わせる
It makes me think of "double the return."
オーディエンスに思わせるためには
To make the audience think.
どの仕掛けをしようかって考えてるでしょ
You're thinking about what trap to set, aren't you?
いやもうずっと考えてます
Well, I've been thinking about it for a long time.
考えてあれかダメかな
I wonder if that's no good after all.
そうなのよ
That's right.
だからね
So, you see.
一夜にしてベンツパッと乗れるわけじゃないんだから
You can't just suddenly drive a Benz overnight.
急にベンツの話言っちゃってごめんね
Sorry for suddenly bringing up the Benz.
いやおっしゃる通りです
Yes, you are absolutely right.
矢沢さんやるんですね
Mr. Yazawa is going to do it, huh?
何よ
What is it?
全国スタジアムドーム
National Stadium Dome
やるんすよ
I will do it.
やっぱりそうやっていてくると
I knew it, when you do it that way...
安心します
I'm relieved.
ありがとうございます
Thank you.
いや本当に
No, really.
矢沢さんどうなんすか
How is Mr. Yazawa doing?
誰の背中を見てきたんですか
Whose back have you been looking at?
僕はいつもビートルズ
I always listen to the Beatles.
ビートルズで雷が僕の中に落ちたんですよ
The Beatles struck a chord within me.
ピカーと走って
Run with a flash!
よし板金やめた
Alright, I'm done with sheet metal work.
ロック歌手をやるんだと決めて
I decided to become a rock singer.
容疑者に乗って
Riding on the suspect.
まあまあわかりやすい漫画みたいな言葉を言ったんですけどね
Well, I said something like a fairly easy-to-understand comic.
最高です
It's the best.
何なんだろうな
I wonder what it is.
もう夢中で
Already absorbed.
夢中で
In a frenzy.
僕結構福山さん言ってましたからね
I was talking about Fukuyama quite a bit.
若い時は
When I was young
金持ちになるんだとかね
They say they want to become rich.
あんまり言っちゃいけないようなことを
Things that shouldn't be said too much.
わざと逆に平気で言ってたんです僕
I was intentionally saying it the opposite way without a care.
すごく気持ちよかったです
It felt really good.
あの発言
That statement.
よかったでしょ
That was good, wasn't it?
気持ちよかったです
It felt good.
嬉しい
I'm happy.
やっぱりね
I knew it.
気持ちよかったですって言ってくれたら
If you told me it felt good, then...
こんな嬉しいことはない
There is nothing more嬉しい than this.
だけど普通は日本のこの社会のね
But normally, in this society of Japan...
から言ったら
From that perspective
金ってことをもろ言ったりすると
If you say something outright about money...
ちょっと
Just a little.
はしたないとか言うのは
Saying it's improper or shameful.
昔はもっともっと強かったですから
I used to be much stronger back then.
矢沢さんがデビューされた頃とか
When Mr. Yazawa debuted,等
そうだったでしょうね
I see that was the case.
だと思う
I think so.
でも僕はね
But you see, I...
そういうことをわざと
Doing something like that on purpose.
わざとと言っていいぐらい
It's almost like saying it was done on purpose.
あえて言ってましたよ
I was purposely saying that.
俺金持ちになりたい
I want to become rich.
でこの間言いましたもん
I already said it the other day.
矢沢さん
Mr. Yazawa
もしロックやって
If you play rock.
一山当てられないぐらい
So much that I can't even make a fortune.
あんまり大したことないと思ったら
I thought it wasn't that great.
矢沢さん
Mr. Yazawa
それでも容疑者に乗りましたと言ったから
"Still, because I said I got on the suspect."
俺すぐ答え出ました
I came up with an answer right away.
儲からなかったら
If it didn't make a profit.
俺容疑者に乗らなかった
I didn't get on the suspect.
って言いましたよ
I said that.
それどう取るか
How to interpret that?
多分昔だったら
Maybe if it were back in the old days.
下品と多分取るだろうけど
They might take it as being vulgar, but...
僕ね
I, you know.
でもこれ言ってよかったですよ
But I'm glad I said this.
ずっと言って言って言ったら
If I keep saying it over and over again...
最近のほら
Recently, you know.
今若いスポーツマン
Right now, a young athlete.
サッカー選手だろうと
Whether they are a soccer player or not.
野球選手だろうと
Whether it's a baseball player or not.
何だろうと
I wonder what it is.
みんな
Everyone
夢みたいなこと言ってませんよ
I'm not saying something like a dream.
はっきり現実を言ってます
I'm stating the reality clearly.
はい
Yes.
僕ホームラン何本打ちますから
I will hit a few home runs.
僕に何億いただけますか
How many hundreds of millions can you give me?
はっきり聞きますから
I'll ask clearly.
僕ね
I, you know.
僕の出た頃にはそういうこと言うと
When I was around, if you said something like that...
はしたないとか下品だとかやられたけど
I was told it was vulgar and indecent, but...
俺なんか思ってること
What I'm thinking about.
そのまま言ってよかったなと
I’m glad I said it as it is.
今思ってます
I'm thinking about it now.
大金少なからやっぱり
"After all, a large amount of money is not a small thing."
矢沢さんのそういった
Mr. Yazawa's such things.
野心というものを
The thing called ambition
開示していく
To disclose.
そこに
There.
大金少なからみんな
"Everyone has a lot of money, at least not little."
影響受けてると思います
I think I'm influenced.
僕もやっぱり同じように
I guess I'm the same way.
地方出身者で
Being from the countryside
岩崎出身
Iwasaki origin.
そして
And then
僕も新代謝で
I'm also in a new metabolism.
東京に上京してきました
I have come to Tokyo.
18歳でした
I was 18 years old.
で
So, then.
当然そこには矢沢さんの存在っていうのは
Of course, there is the presence of Mr. Yazawa there.
もうずいぶん前からいて
I've been here for quite a while.
で
So,
ビッグな矢沢さん
Big Yazawa-san
で矢沢さんビッグの次は何ですか
So, Mr. Yazawa, what comes after Big?
グレートだって言ってる矢沢さんがいて
There is Mr. Yazawa who says it's great.
どんどんどんどん先に進んでいく矢沢さんいて
Yazawa-san is moving forward step by step.
なんか
Somehow
勉強じゃない
It's not studying.
自分の好きなこと
Things I like
が
But
学校で習ったこととはまた違う
It's different from what I learned at school.
自分のやりたいことで
With what I want to do.
食べる
To eat
やっていける人がいるじゃん
There are people who can manage.
矢沢さんっていう人が
There is a person named Yazawa.
っていう
That is to say.
そういう存在でしたよね僕らにとって
You were that kind of presence for us, weren't you?
そうですか
Is that so?
象徴だったので
Because it was a symbol.
僕は今でも
I still do.
最近なのかな
Is it recent?
気づいたのは
What I noticed was
ちゃんといい学校行って
Make sure to go to a good school.
いい勉強して
Do a good study.
ドラマ作ったり
Creating dramas.
音楽作ったり
Creating music.
する人が
The person who does.
最初僕分かんなかったんですよ
At first, I didn't understand.
音楽をやりたいとか
I want to do music or something.
お芝居やりたいとかっていうのは
"I want to do a play."
そういったことにはまれない
I can't get caught up in such things.
もしくは嫌だ
Or I don't want to.
もしくはそこからもあえてはみ出したい
Alternatively, I want to intentionally stand out from there.
っていう人が音楽をやるもんだと
That's how people who say such things do music.
勝手に思ってたんで
I was thinking on my own.
なるほどね
I see.
なので
So,
ちゃんと勉強した人
A person who studied properly.
今は分かるんですけど
I understand now, though.
ちゃんといろんなところで勉強した人が
Someone who has studied properly in various places.
いろんな勉強した人が
People who have studied various things
それが映像なのか物理学なのか
Is that an image or physics?
何でもいいんですけど
Anything is fine, but...
ちゃんと勉強した人がいろんなところで勉強した人が
People who studied properly are those who studied in various places.
エンターテインメントの仕事をするのは
Working in the entertainment industry is
今は分かるんだけど
I understand now, but...
当時は分かんなかったですね
I didn't understand it at the time.
だからむしろそこにはまれない人がやるもんだと思ってたんで
So I thought it was something that people who can't fit in there would do instead.
ごめんなさい
I'm sorry.
勝手ながら
I apologize for the inconvenience.
そういう象徴として
As a symbol of that.
矢沢さんを追いかけてた
I was chasing after Yazawa.
憧れてたってとかありますね
There are things I've admired, you know.
実際は中高の頃で
In reality, it was during middle and high school.
勉強はされてたんですか
Were you studying?
僕ね
I, you know.
勉強は嫌いだったな
I hated studying.
安心しました
I'm relieved.
勉強嫌いだったな
I hated studying.
嫌いだった
I hated it.
音楽の時間
Music class
あれだけ寝てたからね
Because I slept that much, you know.
でも実際に自分がデビューされてから
But after I actually made my debut...
勉強という名前じゃないですけども
It's not called studying, but...
生きていくため
In order to live.
勝ち残るために
In order to survive.
学ばなきゃいけないし
I have to learn.
キャッチしなきゃいけないこといっぱいあるし
There are a lot of things I have to catch up on.
考え続けなきゃいけないし
I have to keep thinking about it.
同じように
In the same way
これぐらいの労力をかけたら
If I put in this much effort,
俺何でもできるんじゃないかな
I can do just about anything, I think.
他のことっていうぐらい
It's about other things, I guess.
すさまじく考えて
Think intensely.
いろんなことをやられてきたと思うんですよ
I think you've been through a lot of different things.
実際にデビューした後というのは
After actually making my debut...
あれだね
That's it, isn't it?
デビューした後
After making my debut
本当に振り返ってみたら
When I truly look back,
いろんな
various
僕の勝手なイメージで
In my arbitrary image/idea.
話させてもらいますけど
I'll let you speak.
交渉事がすごく上手なんじゃないかな
I think you are really good at negotiations.
っていう印象が勝手にある
I have that impression on my own.
いやいや
No, no.
どこで
Where?
そのネゴシエーション力
That negotiation skill.
交渉力を身につけられたんだろう
You must have developed negotiation skills.
これ深山さんがそうやって聞いてくるから
It's because Miyama-san asks me that way.
僕も今更ながら
Even at this late stage, I...
俺って交渉上手かったかな
Was I good at negotiating?
とか今考えてみるんだけど
I've been thinking about it now.
今振り返ってみたら
Looking back now
あれですね
That's it, isn't it?
積み重ねですよ
It's about accumulation.
急にできるわけがない
There's no way I could do it suddenly.
積み重ねて積み重ねて
Stacking and stacking.
何十回何千回何万回やってるうちに
As I've done it tens, hundreds, and thousands of times...
ディールを
The deal.
ディールやってるうちに
While doing the deal
前これ失敗
I failed this before.
これは違うってこと気づいたから
Because I realized that this is different.
これは次は使っちゃダメだよね
You can't use this next time, right?
これからもこれは使っちゃダメだよね
We can't use this from now on, right?
これはなかなかいいよね
This is quite good, isn't it?
これにもうちょっと磨きかけた方がいいよね
It would be better to refine this a little more, right?
この繰り返しですよ
It's the same repetition.
この引いたり押したり
This pulling and pushing.
引いたり押したり繰り返してるうちに
While pulling and pushing repeatedly
だんだん分かってくる
I'm gradually understanding.
ただね僕は言える
But, you know, I can say this.
僕は今福山さんが
I am now with Fukuyama-san.
交渉ごと上手いでしょうって言うほど
You're saying I'm good at negotiations, aren't you?
上手くないと思う
I don't think I'm good at it.
なぜかと言うと
The reason is that...
僕ねパッションなんだよ
I'm all about passion, you know.
上感だし感情だし
It's a feeling of heightened emotion.
上感感情ったらイコールに
The upper feeling is equal to.
ちょっと気が短いですから
I'm a little short-tempered.
気が短いったら皆さん誤解しちゃダメです
If you're short-tempered, everyone, please don't misunderstand.
気が短いってのは短期で喧嘩早くて
Having a short temper means being hot-headed and quick to argue.
日本語ってそっちの方に行くじゃないですか
Japanese tends to go that way, doesn't it?
気が短いったら短期で
If you're short-tempered, then you're short-term.
喧嘩早いってことですか
Does that mean you get into fights quickly?
そうじゃない喧嘩の喧嘩じゃないです
It's not that kind of fight; it's not a fight at all.
気が短いんですよ
I have a short temper.
気が短い方が
Those who are short-tempered.
なるほどやっぱりね
I see, as expected.
熱いんだろうね
It must be hot, right?
熱いからこう熱く痛い
It's hot, so it hurts like this.
情熱的で痛い
Passionate and painful.
気が短い
Short-tempered.
こっちの方の気が短い
The people around here have a short temper.
すると
Then,
あの時もうちょっと
If only a little more at that time.
答え出さないでじっとしてた方が
It’s better to just stay still without giving an answer.
答えはもっといい答えは出たのにな
The answer was actually a better answer.
っていうのがね
What that means is...
しょっちゅうあるわけ
It happens often.
決断が早いんですね
You make decisions quickly, don't you?
決断が早いの
You make decisions quickly.
それが僕のいいところでもあるんだけど
That's also one of my good points.
決断早いだろうよ
You must be quick to decide.
ちょっと
Just a little.
ボスちょっと早すぎます
Boss, it's a bit too early.
ちょっと早い
A little early.
ちょっと一晩置いとけよと
Just let it sit for a night.
置いた方が黙っててもいいところに転がってたのに
It was rolling around in a place where it would have been fine to just leave it alone.
っていうのが
That's what I'm saying.
過去僕の何十年の人生でいっぱいありますから
Because I have many experiences from my dozens of years in the past.
僕はどっちかといったら
If I had to choose, I'd say...
自分は交渉人として上手い方じゃないと
I'm not very good as a negotiator.
ただね
Just you know,
だからアーティストやってるんですよ
That's why I'm an artist.
これがもしね
If this is the case,
僕は交渉バリバリだったらね
If I were really good at negotiations.
あのメロディ書けないと思うな
I don't think I can write that melody.
あのステージできないと思う
I don't think I can do that stage.
やっぱり交渉ごとが上手いのはね
After all, being good at negotiations is...
ステージ立たない
Not standing on stage.
マネージャーにやらしとけが一番いいね
Let the manager handle it; that's the best approach.
ありがとうございます
Thank you.
交渉ありがとうございます
Thank you for the negotiation.
だからね
So you see.
そういった意味で
In that sense.
僕は
I am.
俺は本当にステージの上に立って
I really stand on the stage.
だけど
But
こうやって
Like this
スタジオ作ったり
Creating a studio.
何やったり
What are you doing?
やるじゃないですか
You're doing great!
だから今福山さんそう言われてると思うんですけど
So I think that's what Mr. Fukuyama is being told now.
僕はその奇跡のバランスこそが
It is that miraculous balance that I believe in.
矢沢英吉さんなんだと思ってたんですよね
I was thinking it was Eikichi Yazawa.
だけどこれも
But this too
なんでですかって言われたら
When I get asked "Why is that?"
いやなんでですか
Why not?
ただ一つ言えることは
The only thing I can say is
うーん
Hmm.
これかな
Is this it?
強いて言うならば
If I had to say anything,
僕のいいところでひょっとしたら
It might be at my good point.
上に行きたい
I want to go up.
バカにされたくない
I don't want to be made a fool of.
この二つはずっとあったのかもしれないですね
These two may have always existed.
上に行きたい
I want to go up.
上に行きたいっていうのは
I want to go up.
昔は口に出してそれを言った
In the past, I would say it out loud.
それで自分にも言ったら
So, I told myself that too.
言い聞かせた
I told myself.
最近はカッコ悪いから言わなくなってきた
I've stopped saying it recently because it's no longer cool.
言う必要もない
There's no need to say it.
いい歳なんだから
You're at a good age, after all.
いい歳なんだから言う必要もないけど
Since I'm already old enough, there's no need to say it, but…
変わらず18の頃から今72になってるけど
I haven't changed; I'm now 72 while still being like I was at 18.
なんかいいことない
Nothing good is happening.
なんかいいことないっていうのは
"It feels like there’s nothing good happening."
口癖のように僕の中にあるっていうのは
It's like a habitual phrase that exists within me.
それが僕らしさですかね
I guess that's what makes me who I am.
それだって福山さんだってあるでしょ
That could happen to Fukuyama-san too, right?
いっぱい
A lot
あります
There is/are.
いっぱいあるでしょ
There are plenty, right?
ありますし
There is.
いっぱいあるでしょ
There are a lot, right?
僕53なんですけど今
I'm 53 years old right now.
50超えたらもうちょっと穏やかになるのかなと思ってたんですけど
I thought I would become a bit calmer after turning 50, but...
忙しいですね
You're busy, aren't you?
いろんなこと知りたいとか
I want to know various things.
もっと面白いことないかなとかっていう
I wonder if there’s something more interesting.
もっと忙しくなってきましたね
It's getting busier, isn't it?
僕それでいいと思う
I think that's fine with me.
悠々自敵って言葉
The phrase "悠々自敵" translates to "calmly self-reliant" or "poised and self-sufficient."
僕嘘だと思ってるから
I think it's a lie.
嘘嘘嘘
Lie, lie, lie.
誰が言ったの悠々自敵とか
Who said "calm and composed"?
あんな嘘ばっかり
Just lies like that.
いつか来るのかなそういう日がと思ってたんですけど
I was wondering if that kind of day would ever come.
あれはもう誰かが作ったんだね
That was already made by someone.
ライターなのか
Are you a writer?
ライターなのかテレビ局が作ったんであってね
It was created by a writer, or rather, by a TV station.
悠々自敵ってあれ嘘だから
"Being carefree and calm is a lie."
人なんてさ
Humans, you know...
やっぱりあれどうなってるかな
I wonder what happened with that after all.
これどうなってるかな
I wonder how this is going.
ここどうしようか
What should we do about this place?
そんなことあれもこれもそれも
Such things, this and that and those too.
暇なわけがないじゃない
There's no way I could be free.
これでまたやることが多いんですよ
This means there are more things to do again.
っていうことは実は福山さん
That means, actually, Mr. Fukuyama...
幸せなことなんですよ
It's a wonderful thing.
いやそうですよね
Yeah, that's true.
絶対幸せ
Absolute happiness.
ですよね
That's right.
まだ50いくつでしょ
You're still in your 50s, right?
53ですはい
It's 53, yes.
まだまだ
Not yet.
僕なんてもうね
I'm just like that now.
53なんて全然バリバリ
53 is still totally active.
65超えたら
Once you turn 65.
だんだんだんだんそのエネルギーがね
Gradually, that energy...
下がってくる
Coming down.
黙ってても下がってくるから
Because it will go down even if you stay quiet.
僕は何するか
What should I do?
自分でもエンジン回すんですもん
I can also rev the engine myself.
なんかやること
Something to do.
やること見つけろ
Find something to do.
なかったら作れって
If there isn't any, then make it.
いつも自分に言い方
Always talk to yourself.
やること探せなかったら作れ
If you can't find something to do, create it.
作れ作れ70超えた
Make it, make it, I've turned 70.
70やべえと思ったら海の向こうから
"I thought it was bad at 70, but then from across the sea..."
ミックシャワーまたツアーやるってよって聞いたら
I heard that Mick is going to do another tour.
ミックいくつである75でオーマイガーだったら
Mick, if you're 75, oh my god.
わかったよ俺も新国立やっちゃうやろ
I got it, I'll go for the new national stadium too.
やっちゃうんですよそうなんですよ
I’m going to do it, that’s right.
もう新国立なんですよ
It's already the new National Stadium, you know.
新国立ソロでやる人初めてじゃないですか
Isn't this the first time someone is performing solo at the new national stadium?
まあそうなってきたわけなんですけど
Well, that's how things have come to be.
やられたと思いましたよ
I thought I was done for.
だから
So.
だからあれですよ深山さん
So, you see, Miyama-san...
もう黙ってても65を過ぎてくると
Once you pass 65, you can't stay silent anymore.
だんだんだんだん
Gradually, gradually.
なんか知らねえけど忙しいんだよね
I don't know why, but I'm really busy.
やることがあってっていうのが
It means that there are things to do.
だんだんだんだん下がってきますから
It will gradually lower down.
下がってきたら自分であげる
If it goes down, I'll raise it myself.
なかったら探すみたいな
It's like if it's not there, I will search for it.
言うじゃないですか
You say, don't you?
もうそれ僕のスローガンですもん
That's already my slogan.
いやこれ詳細ちょっとここに書いてないんですけど
Well, it doesn't really have the details written here.
新国立でしょ
It's at the new national stadium, right?
新国立での初有観客ライブですよ
It's the first live performance with an audience at the new national stadium!
そうですね
That's right.
ということは日本の国内のアーティスト
That means domestic artists in Japan.
海外も含めてですけど
Including overseas as well.
有観客のライブは矢沢さんが初ってことですよね
This is the first live performance with an audience for Mr. Yazawa, right?
新国立の
New National Stadium
たまたまだったんですね
It was just a coincidence, wasn't it?
たまたまそういう
It just happens that way.
誰かがオリンピックのために
Someone for the Olympics.
国立競技場作ったじゃないですか
You built the National Stadium, didn't you?
そうですけどたまたまがすごく大事ですよね
That's true, but coincidence is really important, isn't it?
ね
Hey.
これだからこの70
This is why this 70.
このとこに
Here.
今年で
This year.
やれるという幸せ
The happiness of being able to do it.
でこれ2回土日やった後に
After doing this twice on the weekends...
今度は福岡のドームやって
This time, let's do the Fukuoka Dome.
そうですよね
That's right.
大阪のドームで
At the Osaka Dome
これで最終なるって
This will be the final one.
4回ステージやるわけなんですけども
There will be four stages.
いやすごい
Wow, that's amazing!
だからまああれですね
So, well, I guess that's it.
僕ら
We
なんかこうやって
Somehow like this.
ずっとこんなことやってるんですよ
I've been doing this all along.
その60
Number 60
50の頃の60
60 at the age of 50.
60の頃の70っていうのって
The phrase "60の頃の70っていうのって" translates to "What does it mean to say 70 at the age of 60?"
ぼやっとはこうイメージするんですか
Do you vaguely imagine it like this?
3年ぐらいの感じで
About three years or so.
我々そうだと思うんですけど
I think that's the case for us.
小屋押さえっていう
It's called a shed tie.
ちょっと逆算しなきゃいけないところが
There's a part where I need to do some reverse calculations.
いつもあるじゃないですか
Isn't it always there?
で大体2年とか3年ぐらいのタームで
For a term of about 2 or 3 years.
一つ一つプロジェクトをやっていくっていうので言うと
When it comes to doing each project one by one...
なんとなく50の頃
Somehow around the age of 50.
あと何回ツアーできるかなとか
I wonder how many more tours we'll be able to do.
60の頃こうかなとか
I was thinking about this at around 60.
イメージしていくものなんですか
Is it something you envision?
あのね50代の
You know, in your 50s.
僕はやってきた人だから
I am someone who has come this far.
ちょっと生意気ながら言えないんですけど
I can't say it, though it's a bit cocky.
50の頃は何も考えなくていいです
At 50, you don't have to think about anything.
ただひたすらに突っ走ってください
Please just keep running straight ahead.
そうですか
Is that so?
関係ないですよ
It has nothing to do with it.
ガンガンやってください
Please go ahead and do it vigorously.
60
60
65
65
さっき言ったでしょ
I told you just now.
65、68ぐらいになってくると
When you get to around 65 or 68,
だんだんだんだん
Slowly, slowly.
そういうところにぶつかってくるんですよ
That's where it hits hard.
いろんなことにね
"To various things, you know."
はい
Yes
それで結論が
So the conclusion is...
僕はだってそういうこと考えてたからね
That's because I was thinking about those kinds of things.
はい
Yes
それで結論が出たのは
So the conclusion that was reached is
もうやり続けることの幸せみたいなことを
It's like the happiness of continuing to do something.
最近はっきり思いますね
I've been thinking clearly lately.
以前インタビュー読ませていただいた時に
When I read the interview before,
もちろん若い時は音楽じゃないビジネスにも
Of course, in my youth, I was also involved in businesses that were not related to music.
興味を持ったこともあったけど
There were times when I was interested, but...
やっぱり自分にとってはステージなんだ
After all, it's a stage for me.
っていうことを読ませていただきました
I read what you said.
ですよ
That's right.
だって
Because.
若い時なんてもうちょっと言っちゃいますけど
When I was younger, I might have said a bit more.
いや僕はもういろんな夢見たね
Yeah, I've had all sorts of dreams.
もういろんな夢見たし
I've already had various dreams.
それを自分のお腹の中に留めていけばいいのに
You should just keep it inside your own stomach.
平気で言ってましたからね
They said it nonchalantly, you know.
俺も言っちゃうからね
I'll say it too, you know.
もう見とろよみんなって
Everyone is already watching it, right?
音楽以外の
Besides music
もう音楽をやりながら
I'm already doing music.
やりながら
While doing it
もういい車乗るぞとかさ
"I'm going to drive a better car."
もう世界に別荘を持てる男になってやるとか
"I'm going to become a man who can own a vacation home in the world."
ビル建ててやるとか
"Building a building for you or something."
もうバンバン言ってましたよ
They were already making a loud noise.
でもそうやってやったけど
But I did it that way anyway.
あっ物だとかなんとかだ
Ah, it's something or other.
ああいう物じゃ
It's not that kind of thing.
ワクワクドキドキはずっとは続かないってことに気づくの
You realize that the excitement and thrill don't last forever.
で絶対ドキドキワクワクを裏切る
It will definitely betray the excitement and thrill.
ずっと僕にさせるのはライブなんですよ
What keeps making me do this is the live performance.
それで体はって言ったら
So when it comes to the body...
こんなもう二重の時と違いますよ
This is already different from the usual double time.
もう終わった時ね
It's already the time to end.
最初の
The first.
たぶん去年31本の
Maybe 31 last year.
ツアーの最初の6本ぐらいは
About the first six songs of the tour.
これファンが心配するから言わない方がいいのか
Should I not say this because it might worry the fans?
わかんないんだけど
I don't know.
もう全然全然全然肉体的には
I'm completely, completely, completely not physical at all.
あのアスリートと一緒だから
Because I'm with that athlete.
終わったら痙攣を起こすんですよ
I will have convulsions after it's over.
足がシャワー浴びれない
I can't take a shower for my feet.
痙攣がしばらく来るから
It's going to have convulsions for a while.
トレーナーもちょっと触れない状態
The trainer is also in a state of not being able to touch it.
それをだましだましに
Doing that while deceiving oneself.
ある機会をかけたり
Taking advantage of an opportunity
なんだかんだして3本やって5本したら
After doing this and that, if I do 3 and then do 5,
これが一切こんな痙攣が来なくなる
This will completely eliminate such convulsions.
体が馴染むんですよ
Your body gets used to it.
馴染んで10本15本ぐらい行ったら
Once you're settled in, about 10 to 15 will do.
もうバリバリになってくるわけ
It's going to get really intense.
体が
The body is
去年の31本の最後の横浜アリーナの時は
Last year, when it was the final Yokohama Arena of the 31 shows.
だって終わった時も
Because when it ended too
僕まだあとあと5、6本10本できるよっていうぐらいに
I can still do about 5 or 6 more, maybe even 10.
体が出来上がってくる
The body is being built up.
だから体ってのは
So the body is...
あれねついてくるんですよ
That thing follows me, you know.
今回僕も思いました
This time, I also thought so.
コロナでコンサートが
Concerts were affected by COVID.
2年くらい出来たかったじゃないですか
Wasn't it about two years that you wanted to do it?
やって
Do it.
やっぱり一言目に出た感想が
As expected, the first impression that came to mind was...
生き返ったですからね
Because I came back to life.
そう
That's right.
生き返った
Revived.
そういうことだよね
That's how it is, right?
生きてたけど死んでたな俺
I was alive, but I was dead.
っていうライブやってない時期は
During the time when we weren't doing that live show...
ありました
There was.
だからそれでいいんですよ
So that's fine.
だから本当にね
So really, you know.
いつまでもいつまでもドキドキさせてくれる
It keeps making my heart race forever and ever.
キラキラさせてくれるのは
What makes me sparkle is
ライブなんです僕の場合はね
It's a live performance, in my case.
でも僕もそれは感じました
But I felt that too.
こういうとなんかちょっと
It feels a little like this.
おじさんっぽいですけども
It seems a bit uncle-like, though.
ある種健康法でもあるし
It is also a kind of health method.
やってる方が元気になるんですよねやっぱり
Doing it really makes me feel more energetic, doesn’t it?
絶対そう
Definitely so.
酒飲みます?
Do you drink alcohol?
飲みます
I will drink.
ツアー中も終わった後飲みます?
Will you drink during the tour or after it ends?
僕そうなんですよ
That's right, I am.
いいね
Sounds good.
矢沢さんどうなんですか今は
How is Mr. Yazawa doing now?
僕は正直言っちゃうね
I'll be honest with you.
もう矢沢のツアーってのは
Yazawa's tour is already...
酒飲みに行くツアーだったんですよ
It was a tour for going drinking.
昔はね
In the past, you know.
かつて
Once upon a time.
もう終わったらガンガン朝の
It's already over, so let's go all out in the morning.
3時ぐらいまで飲んでて
I was drinking until around 3 o'clock.
また次の街行ってまた
Let's go to the next town again.
終わったらまたシャワーも浴びるの
I'll take a shower again after it's over.
そこそこで朝の2時3時まで
Until around 2 or 3 in the morning.
飲むツアーだったんですね
It was a drinking tour, wasn’t it?
年とともにだんだんだん
Gradually, over the years.
どっちが大事かってステージが大事だから
What's important is which stage is important.
だんだんもうやめちゃおうってことで
Let's gradually just stop it then.
ツアー中はもう酒
No more alcohol during the tour.
経つぐらいの感じで
It feels like it has been a while.
またツアーが終わったら飲みますけども
We'll have drinks again after the tour is over.
酒はね
Sake, you know.
他のアーティストは知らんけど
I don't know about other artists, but...
酒とツアー
Alcohol and tour.
素晴らしいね
That's wonderful!
本当に
Really
お酒とツアーとその土地の
Alcohol, tours, and the local area.
美味しいご飯っていうのはもうこれも最高ですよね
Delicious rice is truly the best, isn't it?
ですよね
That's right.
だから今の若いロックバンドがね
So, the current young rock bands...
終わったらなんかコンビニ行って欲しいもんで買って
When we're done, I want you to go to a convenience store and buy something for me.
部屋にこもるってもちろん全ての人じゃないけど
Staying secluded in a room isn't something everyone does, of course.
そういう人がかなり
There are quite a few people like that.
ボス最近そうなんですよ
Lately, that's how it is, boss.
ってイベント参加で聞いたときに
When I heard about it during the event participation.
俺つい行っちゃったもん
I couldn't help but go.
何のためにツアーやってんの
What is the purpose of doing the tour?
いや
No.
これ質問してる俺のほうが悪いかもしれない
I might be the one who's at fault for asking this question.
じゃあ矢沢さん何しに行ったら
So, what did Yazawa-san go for?
酒飲みに来たら
If you come to drink alcohol
ツアーやるステージやりに来たら
If you come to perform on stage for the tour
そうだよね
That's right.
変なバカなこと聞いたわけですけどもね
I asked a strange and foolish question, you see.
いやもうちょっと本当に
No, really just a little more.
いろいろ聞きたいことが山ほどあるんですけど
I have a mountain of things I want to ask.
14歳がテーマなので
Since the theme is 14 years old.
ちょっと14歳の頃のことを
Just a little about when I was 14 years old.
ちょっと最後の話して
Can you tell me a little about the last story?
曲をいただきたいんですけど
I would like to receive the song, please.
あの聞いてた音楽ってことです
It's about the music I was listening to.
じゃあね
See you later.
はい
Yes
厳密に14じゃなくて
Not exactly 14.
まあまあ
So-so.
アバウトでね
It's about being vague.
アバウト
About
あの頃僕さっき言ったでしょ
Back then, I told you just a moment ago.
ビートルズ
The Beatles
いやビートルズもいいけどね
Well, the Beatles are good too.
いっぱいあるねあの頃
There were so many back then.
悲しき雨音とかね
Sad sound of the rain.
コニー・フランシスなんかもいいよね
Connie Francis is great too, isn't she?
でもビートルズ分かりやすいよね
But the Beatles are easy to understand, right?
あの
Um...
プリズ・ミスター・ポストマンなんかいいね
"Mr. Postman is nice."
じゃあそれ行きますか
Well then, shall we go for that?
行きますか
Are we going?
じゃあ矢沢さん
Well then, Yazawa-san.
じゃあ紹介します
Well then, let me introduce you.
じゃあビートルズ
Well then, The Beatles.
プリズ・ミスター・ポストマン
"Please, Mr. Postman"
ありがとうございます矢沢さん
Thank you, Yazawa-san.
あのプリズ・ミスター・ポストマン
That is "Mr. Postman".
ビートルズいただきました
I received the Beatles.
僕これちょっと
I'm a little bit like this.
これもまた僕厳密ではないんですけど
This isn't exactly me, but…
1年2年後ぐらいかな
Maybe around one or two years from now.
矢沢さんと同じ広島出身の
From the same Hiroshima as Mr. Yazawa.
濱田翔吾さん
Shogo Hamada
シンガーソングライターの曲で
A song by a singer-songwriter.
マネーって曲あるんですよ
There's a song called "Money."
おおそうなんだ
Oh, really?
まさにお金
Exactly money.
この街のメインストリート
Main street of this town.
わずか数百メートルさびれた
Just a few hundred meters have become desolate.
さびれた映画館とバーが5、6軒
There are five or six dilapidated movie theaters and bars.
ハイスクール出た奴らは
Those who graduated from high school.
次の朝バッグを抱えて出ていく
The next morning, I leave with my bag in hand.
実際にそういう広島があったのかどうか
Whether there really was such a Hiroshima or not.
ちょっとわからないんですけれども
I'm not really sure.
あの
Um...
まあ今日お金の話もあったのもありますけど
Well, there was also a discussion about money today.
すさまじくこう
Incredibly like this.
お金に対するこう
This attitude towards money.
渇望が表現されてるんですね
Desire is being expressed, isn't it?
これも僕にとってすごいインパクトあったんですよ
This had a really strong impact on me too.
なるほど
I see.
14歳の頃に
When I was 14 years old
もう一回ちょっと言ってください
Please say that one more time.
詩の内容
The content of the poem.
次がですね
Next is…
さびれた映画館とバーが5、6軒
A run-down movie theater and about five or six bars.
ハイスクール出た奴らは
Those who graduated from high school
次の朝バッグを抱えて出ていく
The next morning, I leave with my bag in hand.
兄貴は消えちまった親父の代わりに
"You became a substitute for our father who disappeared."
油にまみれて俺を育てた
Raised me covered in oil.
奴は自分の夢を俺に背負わせて
He forced his dreams onto me.
心をごまかしていたのさ
I was deceiving my heart.
でここからサビです
And here comes the chorus.
マネー
Money
マネーメイクスミークレイジー
Money makes me crazy.
マネー
Money
マネーチェンジザエブリシング
Money changes everything.
いつか奴らの足元にビッグマネー
One day, big money will be at their feet.
叩きつけてやるっていう歌なんですよ
It's a song about hitting someone hard.
でもある程度
But to some extent.
これ何や
What is this?
彼の詩なんですか
Is it his poem?
浜田さんの詩ですね
It's a poem by Hamada.
だからいい詩だね
So it's a good poem.
いやいい詩なんですよ
No, it's a good poem.
いい詩だし
It's a nice poem.
それ実体験から来てるのか
Is that based on personal experience?
どうなんでしょうね
I wonder how it is.
どうか知らないけれど
I don't know, but...
詩もいいし
Poetry is nice too.
なんていうのかな
I wonder what to say.
まあみんなこうやってさ
Well, everyone does it like this.
誰もが
Everyone
誰もがそうやって
Everyone does that.
ハングリーで
Hungry.
見たろ今に
"You'll see soon."
今に見たろって気持ちを持って
With the feeling of "just wait and see."
いろんな業界で
In various industries.
頑張ってるんだろうし
I'm sure you're doing your best.
ちょっと続き読み上げてもいいですか
May I read a little more?
いいですよ
That's fine.
2番です
It's number 2.
彼女は夢見てる華やかなムービースター
She is a glamorous movie star dreaming.
湖のほとりに車を止めて
Stop the car by the lake's edge.
俺たち楽しむのさシートを倒して
We're going to have fun by reclining the seat.
蒸し暑く長い夏の夜
A hot and long summer night.
あの時彼女はこう愛き続ける
At that time, she will continue to love like this.
愛してる愛してるもっともっと
I love you, I love you, more and more.
だけど昨夜どこかの金持ちの男と
But last night I was with some rich man.
街を出ていった
He/she left the town.
マネーマネーメイクス
Money makes money.
ハークレイジー
Harkleazy
マネーチェンジスエブリシング
Money changes everything.
いつかあいつの足元に
"Someday, at their feet."
ビッグマネー叩きつけてやる
I'll slam down big money.
でここからです
So, from here on.
純白のメルセデスプール付きのマンション
A pure white mansion with a Mercedes and a pool.
最高の女とベッドで
In bed with the best woman.
ドンペルニョン
Dom Pérignon
欲しいものはすべてブラウン管の中
Everything I want is inside the CRT.
まるで悪夢のように
Like a nightmare.
マネーマネーメイクスミクレイジー
Money, money makes me crazy.
マネーチェンジスエブリシング
Money changes everything.
いつかこの手に掴むぜビッグマネー
One day I'll grasp big money in my hands.
というこういう歌詞なんですよ
This is the kind of lyrics, you see.
いやいいことだねやっぱりね
Well, that's a good thing after all.
やっぱりやっぱあれだよ
After all, it's definitely that.
見てろっていうことですよ
It means "I'm telling you to watch."
ですよね
That's right.
悔しさかな
Is it regret?
悔しさ
Regret.
見てろって
Just you watch.
いやだからこれは歌の詩なんだけども
No, that's because this is the lyrics of a song.
そういう気持ちを少なからずみんな
Everyone has those feelings to some extent.
その人なりの形で
In their own way.
思って頑張ってきたんじゃないかな
I think you've been doing your best with your thoughts.
思ってないとこの詩は出てこないですもんね
If I don't think about it, this poem won't come out, right?
ですよね
That's right, isn't it?
だからみんな
So everyone.
育て張ってきたんじゃないですか
Haven't you been raising it?
そうですね
That's right.
じゃあ僕の選曲14歳の
Well then, my selection is for a 14-year-old.
14歳のプロレス深山サルは
14-year-old pro wrestler Miyama Saru is
濱田翔子さんマネー
Shoko Hamada's money
じゃあ矢澤さん
Well then, Yazawa-san.
はい
Yes
今日は全然時間がもう足りないんですけど
I really don't have enough time today.
ありがとうございます
Thank you.
ありがとうございました
Thank you very much.
あの14歳のプロレスということで
That 14-year-old pro wrestler.
今の14歳に聞いてもらいたい話が
A story I want today's 14-year-olds to hear.
たくさんできたと思います
I think I was able to do a lot.
本当にありがとうございました
Thank you very much.
よろしくお願いいたします
Thank you in advance.
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